What are the motivations behind this alleged conspiracy?

"Q: "Why do the all the world Governments say the Earth is round?"

A: It's a conspiracy

Q: "What about NASA? Don't they have photos to prove that the Earth is round?"

A: NASA is part of the conspiracy too. The photos are faked.

Q: "Why has no-one taken a photo of the Earth that proves it is flat?"

A: The government prevents people from getting close enough to the Ice Wall to take a picture.

Q: "How did NASA create these images with the computer technology available at the time?"

A: Since NASA did not send rockets into space, they instead spent the money on developing advanced computers and imaging software instead"
This is the worst hand-wave explanation I have ever heard.  Why on earth would the governments, at odds on so many things, want to work together on what is surely a complicated and expensive global conspiracy?  Also, how would they keep it a secret?  They can't even keep their actions in Iran secret from the news.  Havn't you heard the phrase, "two people can keep a secret... if one of them is dead"?

NASA is a fraud organization which does not exist. Man has never been into space. The trillions of dollars NASA has made over the years has either gone into the pockets of conspirators or swifted into secret black projects.

Also, how would they keep it a secret?  They can't even keep their actions in Iran secret from the news.  Havn't you heard the phrase, "two people can keep a secret... if one of them is dead"?

Have you ever heard of the phrase "no one leaks government secrets because the government can throw you into a Guantanamo terrorist prison at its whim?"

And, if anyone did claim that the earth was flat, would anyone believe them?

I know that you'll make that crazy claim, I didn't ask for a rehash of what you've already said.  Two, NASA doesn't actually get that much money percentage wise out of the Government, and it's obvious that all the money hasn't "either gone into the pockets of conspirators or swifted into secret black projects." simply from the inventions they have produced.  Also, how much do you think that it would cost to generate all those thousands of perfect, wonderful images with their supposed software?  How would there be any money left?  Also, you have failed to address my other questions of how it is kept a secret and why other governments would be in on it.

"no one leaks government secrets because the government can throw you into a Guantanamo terrorist prison at its whim?"
That's simply not true, government secrets get leaked all the time.  The news got their hands on our plans to support an overthrow of the government in Iran, for instance.  Frankly, this would have to involve so many people that keeping it a secret would be impossible.

As to the last question, no, and for good reason.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Business/Google-sponsors-A357m-moon-contest/2007/09/14/1189276935311.html

"Google Inc is bankrolling a $US30 million ($A35.7 million) prize to the first private company that can safely land a robotic rover on the moon and beam back a gigabyte of images and video to Earth, the internet search leader said."


I suppose Google and the (potential or eventual) winners are in it also.
Are they doing this to add credibility to their deception?
What of the contestants?

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Business/Google-sponsors-A357m-moon-contest/2007/09/14/1189276935311.html

"Google Inc is bankrolling a $US30 million ($A35.7 million) prize to the first private company that can safely land a robotic rover on the moon and beam back a gigabyte of images and video to Earth, the internet search leader said."


I suppose Google and the (potential or eventual) winners are in it also.
Are they doing this to add credibility to their deception?
What of the contestants?

So having an idea about space puts you into the conspiracy?

Google is not omnipotent, they could be fooled by the conspiracy just like us.

See how it turns out. Maybe the rovers will "malfunction."

To Why?:

The FAQ is old and needs updating. It is mainly there for people to get the general idea behind certain things. However, one of the places that it confuses people is by having the conspiracy among the governments, which is completely unnecessary. That's not to say a few key members couldn't know about it, but it's mainly the space agencies that need to cooperate. The argument of "warring nations" working together is a non-issue because of that.

You're right, NASA's budget is on the lower end of the federal expenditure. I'm not sure of your point though. And which inventions are these?

How much would it take to generate the images? Well, outside of most of their computer hardware, the other large cost would be paying for the man-hours that went into fabricating them. Or perhaps, if they're advanced, they could be using an algorithm to make that labor-intensive job easier.

The "so many people" argument comes up a lot, but it really doesn't have to be as massive as some people think.

I know that you'll make that crazy claim, I didn't ask for a rehash of what you've already said.  Two, NASA doesn't actually get that much money percentage wise out of the Government, and it's obvious that all the money hasn't "either gone into the pockets of conspirators or swifted into secret black projects." simply from the inventions they have produced.  Also, how much do you think that it would cost to generate all those thousands of perfect, wonderful images with their supposed software?  How would there be any money left?  Also, you have failed to address my other questions of how it is kept a secret and why other governments would be in on it.

"no one leaks government secrets because the government can throw you into a Guantanamo terrorist prison at its whim?"
That's simply not true, government secrets get leaked all the time.  The news got their hands on our plans to support an overthrow of the government in Iran, for instance.  Frankly, this would have to involve so many people that keeping it a secret would be impossible.

As to the last question, no, and for good reason.

Here's a news flash it isn't all that secret, you are on a site explaining it. great secret and they're NOT perfect images, almost no pictures of it from space show stars in the background

Read the Conspiracy Compendium linked to in the FAQ.

That's why the fuck I made the damned thing. Seriously.

~D-Draw

Quote from: Riles on September 15, 2007, 09:21:55 PM

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Business/Google-sponsors-A357m-moon-contest/2007/09/14/1189276935311.html

"Google Inc is bankrolling a $US30 million ($A35.7 million) prize to the first private company that can safely land a robotic rover on the moon and beam back a gigabyte of images and video to Earth, the internet search leader said."


I suppose Google and the (potential or eventual) winners are in it also.
Are they doing this to add credibility to their deception?
What of the contestants?

So having an idea about space puts you into the conspiracy?

Google is not omnipotent, they could be fooled by the conspiracy just like us.

See how it turns out. Maybe the rovers will "malfunction."

And what if they don't, and they send back a gig of images? Did 'The Government' get to all of the contestants and silence them? And if they can do that, why the hell wouldn't they have shut down one site on the Internet?

And please don't give me a "well that wud just prove were rite" answer. If you expect me to believe that "the government of every nation in the world can cooperate to fake everything we think we know about the planet," don't ask me to swallow them being unable to eliminate one Internet forum. It doesn't do any good to be proved right if everyone who believed is dead. :)

And what if they don't, and they send back a gig of images? Did 'The Government' get to all of the contestants and silence them? And if they can do that, why the hell wouldn't they have shut down one site on the Internet?

Ask after someone does it first.

And what if they don't, and they send back a gig of images? Did 'The Government' get to all of the contestants and silence them? And if they can do that, why the hell wouldn't they have shut down one site on the Internet?

Well, I was planning on creating a drill that will drill through the flat Earth and to the underside of the Earth to prove that the Earth is indeed flat. I'll get back to you when I do it, but obviously, the fact that I'm planning it is proof. Your time arguing the round Earth theory is growing short.

Also, you seriously think that the government could shut down Google? And you think it'd be WORTH it? Come on now.

~D-Draw

Quote from: Link2086 on September 16, 2007, 04:29:54 PM

And what if they don't, and they send back a gig of images? Did 'The Government' get to all of the contestants and silence them? And if they can do that, why the hell wouldn't they have shut down one site on the Internet?

Ask after someone does it first.

Fantastic point. Now, show me the Earth isn't round.

OH WAIT ASK AFTER SOMEONE DOES IT FIRST

Quote from: divito on September 16, 2007, 04:31:02 PM

Quote from: Link2086 on September 16, 2007, 04:29:54 PM

And what if they don't, and they send back a gig of images? Did 'The Government' get to all of the contestants and silence them? And if they can do that, why the hell wouldn't they have shut down one site on the Internet?

Ask after someone does it first.

Fantastic point. Now, show me the Earth isn't round.

OH WAIT ASK AFTER SOMEONE DOES IT FIRST

Absurdity doesn't win debates.

~D-Draw

Quote from: Link2086 on September 16, 2007, 04:29:54 PM

And what if they don't, and they send back a gig of images? Did 'The Government' get to all of the contestants and silence them? And if they can do that, why the hell wouldn't they have shut down one site on the Internet?

Well, I was planning on creating a drill that will drill through the flat Earth and to the underside of the Earth to prove that the Earth is indeed flat. I'll get back to you when I do it, but obviously, the fact that I'm planning it is proof. Your time arguing the round Earth theory is growing short.

Also, you seriously think that the government could shut down Google? And you think it'd be WORTH it? Come on now.

~D-Draw

Go for it. As soon as you develop a drill bit that can bore through approximately eight thousand miles' worth of material, let me know. :)

Clearly, your brilliant strategy has left me speechless. "I'm going to drill a hole through the earth and it's going to be flat, so the earth is obviously flat." I don't know why I never thought of this before.

That, and the fact that if you were to drill a hole straight through a round earth, you'd still have the appearance of it being flat. Good luck with that, mmkay?

o man guys wat were we thinkin i mean now that google exists we mite as wel give up our conspirisy amirite
i meen srsly we fooled teh world 4 a few thosand years but come on we cant fite google :(

Quote from: Link2086 on September 16, 2007, 04:41:48 PM

Quote from: divito on September 16, 2007, 04:31:02 PM

Quote from: Link2086 on September 16, 2007, 04:29:54 PM

And what if they don't, and they send back a gig of images? Did 'The Government' get to all of the contestants and silence them? And if they can do that, why the hell wouldn't they have shut down one site on the Internet?

Ask after someone does it first.

Fantastic point. Now, show me the Earth isn't round.

OH WAIT ASK AFTER SOMEONE DOES IT FIRST

Absurdity doesn't win debates.

~D-Draw

And "I'M GONNA DRILL THROUGH A PLANET!!!1one!21/1/" does?

And "I'M GONNA DRILL THROUGH A PLANET!!!1one!21/1/" does?

Quote from: Diego, the Deviant Dick on September 16, 2007, 04:40:28 PM

Quote from: Link2086 on September 16, 2007, 04:29:54 PM

And what if they don't, and they send back a gig of images? Did 'The Government' get to all of the contestants and silence them? And if they can do that, why the hell wouldn't they have shut down one site on the Internet?

Well, I was planning on creating a drill that will drill through the flat Earth and to the underside of the Earth to prove that the Earth is indeed flat. I'll get back to you when I do it, but obviously, the fact that I'm planning it is proof. Your time arguing the round Earth theory is growing short.

Also, you seriously think that the government could shut down Google? And you think it'd be WORTH it? Come on now.

~D-Draw

Go for it. As soon as you develop a drill bit that can bore through approximately eight thousand miles' worth of material, let me know.

Clearly, your brilliant strategy has left me speechless. "I'm going to drill a hole through the earth and it's going to be flat, so the earth is obviously flat." I don't know why I never thought of this before.

That, and the fact that if you were to drill a hole straight through a round earth, you'd still have the appearance of it being flat. Good luck with that, mmkay?

o man guys wat were we thinkin i mean now that google exists we mite as wel give up our conspirisy amirite
i meen srsly we fooled teh world 4 a few thosand years but come on we cant fite google

I seriously think you missed the point...

Try again, then maybe I'll help you along with it.

~D-Draw

Quote from: Link2086 on September 16, 2007, 04:47:51 PM

And "I'M GONNA DRILL THROUGH A PLANET!!!1one!21/1/" does?

Quote from: Link2086 on September 16, 2007, 04:47:19 PM

Go for it. As soon as you develop a drill bit that can bore through approximately eight thousand miles' worth of material, let me know. :)

Clearly, your brilliant strategy has left me speechless. "I'm going to drill a hole through the earth and it's going to be flat, so the earth is obviously flat." I don't know why I never thought of this before.

That, and the fact that if you were to drill a hole straight through a round earth, you'd still have the appearance of it being flat. Good luck with that, mmkay?

o man guys wat were we thinkin i mean now that google exists we mite as wel give up our conspirisy amirite
i meen srsly we fooled teh world 4 a few thosand years but come on we cant fite google :(

I seriously think you missed the point...

Try again, then maybe I'll help you along with it.

~D-Draw

No, I "seriously think" you just don't have any way to combat the argument, so you've resorted to ad hominem (a logical fallacy, by the way) in order to distract me from the fact that you haven't responded with a valid counterargument.

Care to continue with actual debate, or would you prefer to just yell about how stupid I am? :)

Also, you seriously think that the government could shut down Google? And you think it'd be WORTH it? Come on now.

Uh, yes they could. Would it be worth it? I don't see why. It's just a search engine.

More importantly, good luck with that drilling project. I personally would use those trillions upon trillions (I'm being VERY generous here) of dollars to cure some disease or end world hunger. As for the spirit of wanting to drill that far and the immortality to survive the trip, well if you could donate that I'm sure it could go to better use.

Fantastic point. Now, show me the Earth isn't round.

OH WAIT ASK AFTER SOMEONE DOES IT FIRST

Straw man.

No, I "seriously think" you just don't have any way to combat the argument, so you've resorted to ad hominem (a logical fallacy, by the way) in order to distract me from the fact that you haven't responded with a valid counterargument.

Care to continue with actual debate, or would you prefer to just yell about how stupid I am?

It wasn't ad hominem; I was simply discriminating that you didn't understand why I said what I did. That said, you are an idiot.

I'll give you a hint, though, since you're fun to play games with.

SATIRE.

Quote from: Diego, the Deviant Dick on September 16, 2007, 04:40:28 PM

Also, you seriously think that the government could shut down Google? And you think it'd be WORTH it? Come on now.

Uh, yes they could. Would it be worth it? I don't see why. It's just a search engine.

More importantly, good luck with that drilling project. I personally would use those trillions upon trillions (I'm being VERY generous here) of dollars to cure some disease or end world hunger. As for the spirit of wanting to drill that far and the immortality to survive the trip, well if you could donate that I'm sure it could go to better use.

Because it wouldn't look conspicuous at all if one of the biggest corporations in the nation was shut down by the government.

~D-Draw

Quote from: Diego, the Deviant Dick on September 16, 2007, 04:40:28 PM

Also, you seriously think that the government could shut down Google? And you think it'd be WORTH it? Come on now.

Uh, yes they could. Would it be worth it? I don't see why. It's just a search engine.

It is?
Damn, and here I thought it was a paramilitary organization with such vast resources that the combined power of every government in the entire (flat) world couldn't shut it down. :(

Straw man.

Green crow.

And saying "well they haven't done it yet" is somehow supposed to prove that this means you're right (because they're afraid to)?

And saying "well they haven't done it yet" is somehow supposed to prove that this means you're right (because they're afraid to)?

You're learning! Oh, I'm proud. It doesn't prove me right, it just proves you're wrong.

~D-Draw

Uh, yes they could. Would it be worth it? I don't see why. It's just a search engine.

ROFL. Just a search engine...right.

Green crow.

And saying "well they haven't done it yet" is somehow supposed to prove that this means you're right (because they're afraid to)?

That had nothing to do with what I said, hence me calling your statement a "straw man."

It wasn't ad hominem; I was simply discriminating that you didn't understand why I said what I did. That said, you are an idiot.

I'll give you a hint, though, since you're fun to play games with.

SATIRE.

Hang on a sec...

I was simply discriminating

simply discriminating

discriminating

you are an idiot

I lol'd.

Aww, how sweet. You're fun to play with, too! How about some baseball next? Maybe you can come over to my house this weekend. I have to ask my mom, first. :)

Because it wouldn't look conspicuous at all if one of the biggest corporations in the nation was shut down by the government. ::)

~D-Draw

And clearly, the governments running a worldwide conspiracy are concerned about looking conspicuous. :)

ROFL. Just a search engine...right.

I KNEW IT! I KNEW IT!

ROSIE THE RIVETER WILL RISE AGAIN!

Science has been, obviously, disproven.

Because it wouldn't look conspicuous at all if one of the biggest corporations in the nation was shut down by the government.

~D-Draw

A little less suspicious than the huge mountain range of ice and snow that surrounds the earth. I've always been wondering about that thing.

I KNEW IT! I KNEW IT!

ROSIE THE RIVETER WILL RISE AGAIN!

If you think Google is just a search engine, then you're a bigger idiot than I thought.

I lol'd.

" to note or observe a difference; distinguish accurately: to discriminate between things.  "

So did I.

Aww, how sweet. You're fun to play with, too! How about some baseball next? Maybe you can come over to my house this weekend. I have to ask my mom, first.

Cute.

And clearly, the governments running a worldwide conspiracy are concerned about looking conspicuous.

Yes. Yes, they are. Very much so. I don't see what you're getting at here.

~D-Draw

Quote from: Diego, the Deviant Dick on September 16, 2007, 04:57:08 PM

Because it wouldn't look conspicuous at all if one of the biggest corporations in the nation was shut down by the government.

~D-Draw

A little less suspicious than the huge mountain range of ice and snow that surrounds the earth. I've always been wondering about that thing.

One of the biggest corporations in America--and the world--DISAPPEARING, leaving thousands unemployed, people without their DAILY USAGE of this system, and a huge economy crisis in its wake would be, I would assume, far more substantial than an ice wall that nobody has ever seen in their entire life, residing on what we assume is the South Pole where nobody goes anyways.

~D-Draw