Evidence of a conspiracy

When I ask someone for evidence of the conspiracy, they normally start talking about money and bribed astronauts and stuff like that.  No.  That just means it is physically possible for one to exist.  But is there any actual evidence that it does exist, not that it could exist?  For instance, have any mysterious hackers been launching attacks on the site that you've managed to trace to a NASA domain?  I doubt it.  But before we debate about how the conspiracy could operate, let's first make sure it exists.

Exacly.
And you (FE'rs) are telling me that the reason for the conspiracy is money.
Why would then NASA and everyone else pay out so much money on space science, rocket's, satellites, robot science and ALOT of stuff? They are paying VERY VERY VERY much for that.
They wouldn't do that if the reason for the conspiracy is money.

"The Earth is flat, the government says that it is spherical; there must be a conspiracy to cover it up."

That is enough "evidence" to convince an FE’er that a conspiracy exists. . .

What we know:
The government has a motive
The government has the capability
The government has been caught conspiring for less gain

As far as evidence:
For the most part, you are correct. We do not have a mountain of hard evidence, but we do have some.


The conspiracy is the biggest problem with flat earth theory. Any FE will admit to that. It does not mean, however, that we are not trying to gather evidence in spite of the conspiracy.

I was under the asumption that the biggest problem was the waves.

But anyway. Yeah, I made a thread like this a couple months back. The only response was Tom saying that a space shuttle blew up.

What we know:
The government has a motive
The government has the capability
The government has been caught conspiring for less gain

As far as evidence:
For the most part, you are correct. We do not have a mountain of hard evidence, but we do have some.


The conspiracy is the biggest problem with flat earth theory. Any FE will admit to that. It does not mean, however, that we are not trying to gather evidence in spite of the conspiracy.

But this isn't the government, remember?  If this conspiracy was orchestrated by the government, this website would not exist and we would all be dead.  I made a thread about that once:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=15597.0

If there is a conspiracy, it is the top few guys at NASA doing this, nothing more.  There is no chance of this being an inter-agency top-secret government plan.

How are you certain of that?

People can and will always argue that there is a flat earth while evidence permits; as there is evidence supporting almost everything in our modern day world. This debate will never end either, as as certain of things we are; it is impossible to prove something doesnt exist, and until every last person sees that at the north and south pole, there is no ice wall leading to no-space; there will be a just arguement for a conspiricy; given the evidence for a flat earth.

So I see.

1.) The tests and trials of Earth Not a Globe continue to hold true when conducted by impartial experimenters and modern members of the Flat Earth Society.

2.) NASA maintains that the earth is a sphere. It's not.

3.) Ergo, either a conspiracy must exist or NASA has never been into space.

1) The experiments in whatever book that is that I forget the name of and am too lazy to scroll down to see have been disproven.

2) NASA says the Earth is round.

3.) Ergo, the ergo, earth ergo, is ergo, round ergo.

1) The experiments in whatever book that is that I forget the name of and am too lazy to scroll down to see have been disproven.

2) NASA says the Earth is round.

3.) Ergo, the ergo, earth ergo, is ergo, round ergo.

lol   

Lawl, lawl, lawl.

Thank you, thank you.

What we know:
The government has a motive
The government has the capability
The government has been caught conspiring for less gain

As far as evidence:
For the most part, you are correct. We do not have a mountain of hard evidence, but we do have some.


The conspiracy is the biggest problem with flat earth theory. Any FE will admit to that. It does not mean, however, that we are not trying to gather evidence in spite of the conspiracy.

-What motive?

-No it doesn't

-such as

If your trying to get evidence, why not get a picture of the ice-wall. Ice guards can't stop you.

"we dont have a mountain of hard evidence, but we do have some...."

Where is this evidence? and I dont mean things disproving an RE, I mean things that prve a FE

"The Earth is flat, the government says that it is spherical; there must be a conspiracy to cover it up."

That is enough "evidence" to convince an FE’er that a conspiracy exists. . .

perxactly

1) The experiments in whatever book that is that I forget the name of and am too lazy to scroll down to see have been disproven.

No, they have not. I have personally reproduced the tests myself.

"we dont have a mountain of hard evidence, but we do have some...."

Where is this evidence? and I dont mean things disproving an RE, I mean things that prve a FE

The earth is flat.

NASA says it's not.

Ergo, a conspiracy.

The earth is round.

Tom Bishop says it's not.

Ergo, mental retardation!

1) The experiments in whatever book that is that I forget the name of and am too lazy to scroll down to see have been disproven.

When and by whom have Rowbotham's experiments been disproven?

What we know:
The government has a motive

Money is not a motive. It is a noun. Regardless, you have not explained how money is the motive for telling the populace the world is round, then using funds gained from the lie to study the non-round earth. It makes no sense.

The government has the capability

And you have never once, shown us this reality. They have the capability to what?

The government has been caught conspiring for less gain

When?

As far as evidence:

For the most part, you are correct. We do not have a mountain of hard evidence, but we do have some.

So by that last quoted sentiment, you openly admit here, for the Hexagonal world to see, that both sides cannot, ever, in full consensus, win the debate.

Thank you Narcberry, you just went up a peg in my eyes.

The conspiracy is the biggest problem with flat earth theory. Any FE will admit to that. It does not mean, however, that we are not trying to gather evidence in spite of the conspiracy.

By arguing about its POSSIBLE existence on a web site. Back down a peg yet again.

The conspiracy has a budget of BILLIONS of dollars. We on the other hand are simply individuals facing an enemy that, if it wished to, could crush us. Say I set out tomorrow to gather conclusive evidence of the ice wall. Anything could happen to me. I could be abducted under anti-terror laws, renditioned to an Egyptian jail and have a confession forced out of me while the CIA fabricates some evidence about a bomb-plot.

I believe in a flat earth, but even presuming I had the finance or ability to confirm my beliefs, that does not mean I would be successful in my aims. Knowing there is a conspiracy, I also know it would be unwise to challenge it directly.

The conspiracy has a budget of BILLIONS of dollars.

Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claim?

LOL. I like how it makes no sense to make lots of money doing very little, vs. making significantly less money doing a lot. I needed that laugh.

Quote from: narcberry on September 14, 2007, 12:53:42 PM

What we know:
The government has a motive

Money is not a motive. It is a noun. Regardless, you have not explained how money is the motive for telling the populace the world is round, then using funds gained from the lie to study the non-round earth. It makes no sense.

Money isn't a motive? If I could make billions of dollars a year to lie to a bunch of dipshits who believe this shit already, I'd ask where to sign up.

Quote from: narcberry on September 14, 2007, 12:53:42 PM

The government has the capability

And you have never once, shown us this reality. They have the capability to what?

You, of all people, are implying that the government doesn't have the capability to lie to us? Come on.

Quote from: narcberry on September 14, 2007, 12:53:42 PM

The government has been caught conspiring for less gain

When?

Again, come on. You think the government can't lie to us?

Quote from: narcberry on September 14, 2007, 12:53:42 PM

The conspiracy is the biggest problem with flat earth theory. Any FE will admit to that. It does not mean, however, that we are not trying to gather evidence in spite of the conspiracy.

By arguing about its POSSIBLE existence on a web site. Back down a peg yet again.

Some debates are not about winning, they're about opening your eyes.

~D-Draw

LOL. I like how it makes no sense to make lots of money doing very little, vs. making significantly less money doing a lot. I needed that laugh.

I like how your straw men wear jeans.

My point was, it is claimed that the "potential conspiracy" lies to us all, in order to...attain funding, to study the non-existent round earth, space, and on and on. If these people are using a world-spanning deception, to study false data, WHERE IS THE GAIN?

You still have never, once, answered that question, the last time I asked it.

Where is the gain to a conspiracy of this nature? Who gains power? Who gains cash?

It makes no sense.

There is an ETERNAL YOUTH FOUNTAIN over the Ice Wall. Elvis moved there. Marlin Monroe is there too playing bingo with Stalin and Lenin... Kennedy alas was killed for real. It's warm and cozy and birds are singing in the sky...
But there is not enough space and miracle water for everybody so... you figure.

I answered it, in the thread you ended up not returning to.

"How the mighty have fallen indeed. Let's try to explain this in simple sentences then:

It doesn't balloon anything. No idea how you got that.

Real satellites and projects cost lots of money in materials and man-hours (if we take NASA's budget as actual evidence). On a flat Earth, space exploration and such would cost even more (given the obvious issues).

However, real exploration, projects and satellites would not occur or exist in FE, allowing the conspiracy to take the unused expenditure as profit. You know, the whole idea behind the motive."

Like I said, I like how it makes no sense to make lots of money doing very little, vs. making significantly less money doing a lot.

I answered it, in the thread you ended up not returning to.

"How the mighty have fallen indeed. Let's try to explain this in simple sentences then:

It doesn't balloon anything. No idea how you got that.

Real satellites and projects cost lots of money in materials and man-hours (if we take NASA's budget as actual evidence). On a flat Earth, space exploration and such would cost even more (given the obvious issues).

However, real exploration, projects and satellites would not occur or exist in FE, allowing the conspiracy to take the unused expenditure as profit. You know, the whole idea behind the motive."

Like I said, I like how it makes no sense to make lots of money doing very little, vs. making significantly less money doing a lot.

I did return, but your post made no sense to me. How are they gaining money, by telling me, mom, dad, all that, that the planet earth is round, when it really is not?

Federal grants are not handed out based on the shape of planet earth. They are handed out based on what the fuck GOOD the money use will go to. If a bunch of people are studying a false presentation of planet earth, they are not getting rich, and merely keep the lie going.

So again, for what?

The government puts aside somewhere like sixteen billion dollars a year for "space exploration." Somewhere like two or three, MAYBE four billion dollars of that is used for 'upkeep.' Making it look like they're actually USING this wad of cash for space exploration. The rest, they say, is history. At least for the pockets of the conspirators.

~D-Draw