Quick question No.2

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Whispeh

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Quick question No.2
« on: August 21, 2007, 08:52:02 AM »
Here we have a picture of a guy on the summit of a mountain :


The guy in the picture states :
"On the summit of Weisshorn, August 6, 1974 with Matterhorn as a backdrop. The Matterhorn is lower than the Weisshorn, but because of Earth's curvature, it reaches above the horizon as seen from the Weisshorn."

If the earth was flat, then the mountain in the back ground would not be above the horizon.
Can this be explained by the FE theory?

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CommonCents

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2007, 08:59:13 AM »
I don't see how the Earth's curvature would make a distant mountain TALLER...
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Whispeh

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2007, 08:59:55 AM »
it does not make it taller, it makes it break the horizon.

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2007, 09:14:03 AM »
If the earth was flat, then the mountain in the back ground would not be above the horizon.

Uh...why?
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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2007, 09:15:44 AM »
it does not make it taller, it makes it break the horizon.

Mountains can't break the horizon on the FE?  I'm afraid I don't see where you're going with this one.
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Whispeh

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2007, 09:32:23 AM »
Maby this will help get my question accross :

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2007, 09:34:57 AM »
That would be true if it were not for the conveniently forgotten perspective rule of the horizon line always ascending to eye level with the observer.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2007, 09:37:10 AM by Tom Bishop »

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Whispeh

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2007, 09:36:42 AM »
ok then, allow me to correct (2 mins..)

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Whispeh

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2007, 09:41:51 AM »

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Mr. Ireland

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2007, 09:50:35 AM »
That photo is a fake; the one guy's in a t-shirt, and the other is WILLINGLY grabbing a piece of metal with his bare hands ::)

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Whispeh

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2007, 09:52:34 AM »
You being serious  :-\

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CommonCents

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2007, 09:53:33 AM »
There are a number of things wrong with this thread:

1.  You take this guy's word for it.
2.  You don't know the true ratios or distances of the mountains.
3.  You make biased images to 'prove' your point.
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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2007, 09:53:52 AM »
I use your example as my model (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=16339.msg272241#msg272241)


This isn't terribly convincing.  The picture of the sphere can't possibly be accurate because there is no horizon in it.  You're not getting your point across too well.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Whispeh

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2007, 10:02:24 AM »
This isn't terribly convincing.  The picture of the sphere can't possibly be accurate because there is no horizon in it.  You're not getting your point across too well.

This is a section view, if we were to look at it from the little red man perspective there would be a horizon,  see pic:



Edit : I have exagerated the horizon to show curvature, however this does not make my point any less legit (ignore the curvature if you wish)
« Last Edit: August 21, 2007, 10:04:25 AM by Whispeh »

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2007, 10:03:46 AM »
I don't think the pictures are accurate.  I think you jiggered them so they would show your nonsensical point.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Whispeh

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2007, 10:05:02 AM »
jiggered?

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Mr. Ireland

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2007, 10:07:12 AM »
You being serious  :-\

No.  But the two are still idiots.

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Whispeh

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2007, 10:09:10 AM »
Fair one :)

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2007, 10:11:33 AM »
Something tells me that they wouldn't bother scewing their picture around just because they believe in RE.

"This isn't terribly convincing.  The picture of the sphere can't possibly be accurate because there is no horizon in it.  You're not getting your point across too well."

And what would a horizon look like drawn on a sphere?

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2007, 10:14:15 AM »
It would be near eye level, not way below it.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Zotoaster

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2007, 10:15:59 AM »
It would be near eye level, not way below it.

Not according to RE :)

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Whispeh

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2007, 10:19:13 AM »
And besides, its an exageration to get a point accross.
In FE theory, if you were on Mont Everest, you would see all the way to the "Ice wall"
In RE theory, the horizon would still exist.

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2007, 10:21:24 AM »
And besides, its an exageration to get a point accross.
In FE theory, if you were on Mont Everest, you would see all the way to the "Ice wall"

No, you wouldn't.
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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2007, 10:40:54 AM »
But if you were on the highest point on a flat plain, wouldn't you see the edge of the plain...?

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2007, 10:52:55 AM »
Well in all fairness, there would be some fog and some haze. Might be a bit hard to see right across.

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Whispeh

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2007, 10:57:40 AM »
So you would have a foggy hazey horizon, not a clear one that you get with RE theory.

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2007, 11:00:23 AM »
So you would have a foggy hazey horizon, not a clear one that you get with RE theory.

Do you consider what is contained in the first picture you posted, a clear horizon?
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Whispeh

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2007, 11:08:41 AM »
I see where you going with this  ;D
OK, so the pic has a bit of mist, but what if it wasn't a misty day and you had a clear and unobstructed view?

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2007, 11:15:57 AM »
In that case we would see the horizon.  (?)

There is a hill that could be considered the horizon in the picture you posted, but we would need to know its elevation and distance from the photo, as well as that of the camera and that of the mountain in order to discern any kind of conclusion. 

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Re: Quick question No.2
« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2007, 11:18:03 AM »
You still need to make accurate drawings to attempt to 'prove' anything.  You need the heights of all the mountains from the one the picture was taken on to the 'horizon', the distances between these heights, and the correct curvature of the Earth between these points at least.  If the drawing isn't to scale, all you're doing is wasting your time.

EDIT:  I guess you don't need every height, but you do need the heights and distances of the mountains that could obstruct the smooth horizon.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2007, 11:20:29 AM by CommonCents »
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