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Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"

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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2007, 05:49:54 AM »
Quote from: slappy on July 09, 2007, 09:45:17 AM
Good one Tom...

Now for the part about how ur perspective explanation doesn't work. Please be so kind as to answer my rebuttal in the following thread: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=15483.80.

Don't post the same thing you already have since I've explained why it's wrong. Do what I have done with your response. Take it section by section and outline exactly where the errors are.

Quote from: slappy on July 09, 2007, 09:45:17 AM
Good one Tom...

Now for the part about how ur perspective explanation doesn't work. Please be so kind as to answer my rebuttal in the following thread: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=15483.80.

Don't post the same thing you already have since I've explained why it's wrong. Do what I have done with your response. Take it section by section and outline exactly where the errors are.
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2007, 05:53:22 AM »
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2007, 11:05:40 AM »
Quote from: divito on July 10, 2007, 05:20:03 AM
Quote from: Gulliver on July 09, 2007, 05:52:28 PM
I disagree. Your logic is faulty. Registering to the forum does not make your a member of FES, the publisher of the web site. Goodness, how did you ever make that leap?

"Welcome to the Flat Earth Society!" - Right in the FAQ!

This very forum is titled The Flat Earth Society. We are all members of it. God, that was hard.

If any of you are referring to the actual movement and membership that holds the belief of a flat earth, then SAY IT like that. Stop omitting words.

That was exactly what I was talking about.  Gulliver was the one who insisted that the existence of this forum alone implies the existence of the Flat Earth Society that actually believes in and attempts to spread the word of the existence of a flat earth, a group which dissolved after Charles K Johnson's death.  Somehow Gulliver thinks that the fact that this forum exists proves the current existence of such a group.  I guess by Gulliver's logic there's an actual Flat Mars Society out there as well.

I asked him to provide a piece of literature produced by the Flat Earth Society, and he provided this website.  So who are the members of the Flat Earth Society (for in order to exist as a group, it must have members)...

"I never said the Flat Earth Society had no members."  Arguing in circles. 

My point was that there is no formal "Flat Earth Society".  Only this forum, as Gin (and I myself) stated below.  And to say that this forum somehow demonstrates the existence of a group who actually believes in a flat earth is ludicrous.

Gulliver knew what I was talking about, divito.  He's playing those word games he supposedly despises.  The only "Flat Earth Society" currently in existence is one in which we are all members and no member actually believes in a flat earth (with a handful of conceivable (though unlikely) exceptions, Tom Bishop being chief among them simply because he is one of the very few who has never admitted that he is just fooling around).

Given that Tom is one of the few who claims to unflinchingly believe in a flat earth, why would his arguments hold any less merit than, say, TheEngineer or EvilToothpaste, who have admitted to not believing in a flat earth, or Dogplatter, whose theories and suggestions are so patently ridiculous it's almost inconceivable that he's anything but a parodist?
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2007, 12:15:16 PM »
Quote from: divito on July 10, 2007, 05:20:03 AM
Quote from: Gulliver on July 09, 2007, 05:52:28 PM
I disagree. Your logic is faulty. Registering to the forum does not make your a member of FES, the publisher of the web site. Goodness, how did you ever make that leap?

"Welcome to the Flat Earth Society!" - Right in the FAQ!

This very forum is titled The Flat Earth Society. We are all members of it. God, that was hard.

If any of you are referring to the actual movement and membership that holds the belief of a flat earth, then SAY IT like that. Stop omitting words.
I see. You can't manage a logical argument.

Let's say you walk into the United States. There's a welcome sign that says, "Welcome to the United States". You have to register for a tourist visa. Why would you think that you'd become a citizen of the United States?

I, for one, absolutely reject the premise that registering to the Forum made me a member of FES. FES welcomes skeptics. I signed no membership agreement. I was not asked at any point whether I wished to join FES.

An organization can run a website including a forum for the public without having to extend membership to anyone who registers.
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2007, 12:19:36 PM »
Quote from: Gulliver on July 10, 2007, 12:15:16 PM
An organization can run a website including a forum for the public without having to extend membership to anyone who registers.

But the point is that in order to be considered an organization a group must have members.  There is no Flat Earth Society because there is nobody who is a member of The Flat Earth Society.  Please.  Why can't you ever admit that you're wrong?  I know it's hard to believe, but it does happen with you sometimes, as it does with everybody else.

There is no Flat Earth Society.  Show me evidence otherwise.
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2007, 12:33:11 PM »
*makes and puts on a pin that says "I am a proud member of the Flat Earth Society"*
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2007, 01:22:19 PM »
Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 10, 2007, 12:19:36 PM
Quote from: Gulliver on July 10, 2007, 12:15:16 PM
An organization can run a website including a forum for the public without having to extend membership to anyone who registers.

But the point is that in order to be considered an organization a group must have members.  There is no Flat Earth Society because there is nobody who is a member of The Flat Earth Society.  Please.  Why can't you ever admit that you're wrong?  I know it's hard to believe, but it does happen with you sometimes, as it does with everybody else.

There is no Flat Earth Society.  Show me evidence otherwise.
I really don't know which side of the argument you're on. I've presented evidence of its existence already, including the line in the FAQ and the quote from TheEngineer. I don't know who the members are. I don't know how one becomes a member. I don't know how many members there are. I maintain that 1) there is an organization called FES with at least one member, and 2) that even though I registered as a poster in this forum, I'm not a member of FES. I've presented evidence and logic to support my position. You have failed to assail either point.
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2007, 01:35:43 PM »
Gulliver, in the FAQ it says "Welcome to the Flat Earth Society".

Go, read it for yourself.

Now, click on Members at the top of the list, sort by name and go to page 105

or use my link http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?action=mlist;sort=realName;start=3120


Do you see the name Gulliver there?  I do.  Welcome, fellow member of the FES.
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2007, 01:38:28 PM »
Quote from: CommonCents on July 10, 2007, 01:35:43 PM
Gulliver, in the FAQ it says "Welcome to the Flat Earth Society".

Go, read it for yourself.

Now, click on Members at the top of the list, sort by name and go to page 105

or use my link http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?action=mlist;sort=realName;start=3120


Do you see the name Gulliver there?  I do.  Welcome, fellow member of the FES.
Sorry, you've confused being a Forum member with being a member of FES. That's an honest mistake, really.
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2007, 01:40:32 PM »
Since the forum is called "The Flat Earth Society", and you are a member of the forum, you are a member of "The Flat Earth Society".  I can't believe I have to spell this out for you.
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2007, 01:50:03 PM »
Quote from: CommonCents on July 10, 2007, 01:40:32 PM
Since the forum is called "The Flat Earth Society", and you are a member of the forum, you are a member of "The Flat Earth Society".  I can't believe I have to spell this out for you.
Sorry, you're still making an unwarranted leap. Membership in a society is defined by that society, not by you. By the legal definition, membership is a contract between two parties, with the consent of both. Unless the forum registration states, and it doesn't, that registration constitutes membership, signing up to post in the Forum does not make one a member.

You might want to ask the FES President, if you can find him or her, about membership if you're interested.
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2007, 01:56:18 PM »
What you are failing to realize is I'm saying you are a member of something called "The Flat Earth Society"

These forums are called "The Flat Earth Society" not "The Flat Earth Society Forums"

I have a couple of questions for you:
1. Are you a member of this forum
2. Is the name of this forum "The Flat Earth Society"
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2007, 02:07:46 PM »
Quote from: CommonCents on July 10, 2007, 01:56:18 PM
What you are failing to realize is I'm saying you are a member of something called "The Flat Earth Society"

These forums are called "The Flat Earth Society" not "The Flat Earth Society Forums"

I have a couple of questions for you:
1. Are you a member of this forum
2. Is the name of this forum "The Flat Earth Society"
1) Yes. 2) No. It's "theflatearthsociety.org". You're mistaking the FES banner with the Forum name.
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2007, 02:13:47 PM »
How can anyone that doesn't belive this crap be considered a member?
Or someone who registered, and read a couple of posts a year ago?

You don't get to be a part of the olympic team if you watch it on tv...

I mean, really...
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2007, 02:17:04 PM »
Quote from: meany on July 10, 2007, 02:13:47 PM
How can anyone that doesn't belive this crap be considered a member?
Or someone who registered, and read a couple of posts a year ago?

You don't get to be a part of the olympic team if you watch it on tv...

I mean, really...
Thank you, meany. Well said and very succinctly.
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #45 on: July 10, 2007, 02:17:11 PM »
My position is that there is no Flat Earth Society, not that we are all members of the Flat Earth Society.  Big difference.  I've found evidence both in Wikipedia and the words of Daniel, the founder of this site.  I asked Gulliver to provide evidence of the existence such a group and he has not been able to do so so he keeps arguing around in circles.

Gulliver's position about the Flat Earth Society is apparently exactly the same as the FEers' position about the conspiracy.  There's no evidence at all of its existence but... it's just there.  :o
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #46 on: July 10, 2007, 02:20:26 PM »
Quote from: Gulliver on July 10, 2007, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: CommonCents on July 10, 2007, 01:56:18 PM
What you are failing to realize is I'm saying you are a member of something called "The Flat Earth Society"

These forums are called "The Flat Earth Society" not "The Flat Earth Society Forums"

I have a couple of questions for you:
1. Are you a member of this forum
2. Is the name of this forum "The Flat Earth Society"
1) Yes. 2) No. It's "theflatearthsociety.org". You're mistaking the FES banner with the Forum name.

No, the FAQ says, quite clearly, "Welcome to The Flat Earth Society" not "Welcome to theflatearthsociety.org"  This forum is known as "The Flat Earth Society."  It is called "The Flat Earth Society."  You are a member of something called "The Flat Earth Society."  You are a member of The Flat Earth Society.

Being a member of something does not require you to follow its beliefs or sign contracts or any of the other shit you spewed on this thread.
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2007, 02:28:05 PM »
Quote from: CommonCents on July 10, 2007, 02:20:26 PM
Quote from: Gulliver on July 10, 2007, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: CommonCents on July 10, 2007, 01:56:18 PM
What you are failing to realize is I'm saying you are a member of something called "The Flat Earth Society"

These forums are called "The Flat Earth Society" not "The Flat Earth Society Forums"

I have a couple of questions for you:
1. Are you a member of this forum
2. Is the name of this forum "The Flat Earth Society"
1) Yes. 2) No. It's "theflatearthsociety.org". You're mistaking the FES banner with the Forum name.

No, the FAQ says, quite clearly, "Welcome to The Flat Earth Society" not "Welcome to theflatearthsociety.org"  This forum is known as "The Flat Earth Society."  It is called "The Flat Earth Society."  You are a member of something called "The Flat Earth Society."  You are a member of The Flat Earth Society.

Being a member of something does not require you to follow its beliefs or sign contracts or any of the other shit you spewed on this thread.

Thank you. I feel very warm in my heart knowing that I am welcome. But I will not join, I just read the forum when I have a minute or two to kill.
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #48 on: July 10, 2007, 02:28:27 PM »
Isn't it funny how REers are turning on Gulliver the same way as FEers turned on Tom?  I swear, they're like the yin and yang of FES.  ;D
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #49 on: July 10, 2007, 02:29:35 PM »
Quote from: CommonCents on July 10, 2007, 02:20:26 PM
Quote from: Gulliver on July 10, 2007, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: CommonCents on July 10, 2007, 01:56:18 PM
What you are failing to realize is I'm saying you are a member of something called "The Flat Earth Society"

These forums are called "The Flat Earth Society" not "The Flat Earth Society Forums"

I have a couple of questions for you:
1. Are you a member of this forum
2. Is the name of this forum "The Flat Earth Society"
1) Yes. 2) No. It's "theflatearthsociety.org". You're mistaking the FES banner with the Forum name.

No, the FAQ says, quite clearly, "Welcome to The Flat Earth Society" not "Welcome to theflatearthsociety.org"  This forum is known as "The Flat Earth Society."  It is called "The Flat Earth Society."  You are a member of something called "The Flat Earth Society."  You are a member of The Flat Earth Society.

Being a member of something does not require you to follow its beliefs or sign contracts or any of the other shit you spewed on this thread.
And when you enter the United States from Canada the sign says, "Welcome to the United States". So when you walk in, by your reasoning, you get two senators and a representative to Congress and become the 51st state.

Now let's review:
theflatearthsociety.org>>Flat Earth Discussion>>Flat Earth Questions & Clarification>>Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"

That's the hierarchy of your post. Where do you see "The Flat Earth Society"?
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2007, 02:30:04 PM »
I never turned on Tom.

and did gulliver just say something?
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #51 on: July 10, 2007, 02:30:37 PM »
Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 10, 2007, 02:17:11 PM
Gulliver's position about the Flat Earth Society is apparently exactly the same as the FEers' position about the conspiracy.  There's no evidence at all of its existence but... it's just there.  :o
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #52 on: July 10, 2007, 02:32:02 PM »
Quote from: narcberry on July 10, 2007, 02:30:04 PM
I never turned on Tom.

and did gulliver just say something?

And not every REer has turned on Gulliver.

And Gulliver says way too much.  ;D
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #53 on: July 10, 2007, 02:33:04 PM »
Quote from: Gulliver on July 10, 2007, 02:29:35 PM
theflatearthsociety.org>>Flat Earth Discussion>>Flat Earth Questions & Clarification>>Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #54 on: July 10, 2007, 02:33:16 PM »
Quote from: Gulliver on July 10, 2007, 02:29:35 PM
Quote from: CommonCents on July 10, 2007, 02:20:26 PM
Quote from: Gulliver on July 10, 2007, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: CommonCents on July 10, 2007, 01:56:18 PM
What you are failing to realize is I'm saying you are a member of something called "The Flat Earth Society"

These forums are called "The Flat Earth Society" not "The Flat Earth Society Forums"

I have a couple of questions for you:
1. Are you a member of this forum
2. Is the name of this forum "The Flat Earth Society"
1) Yes. 2) No. It's "theflatearthsociety.org". You're mistaking the FES banner with the Forum name.

No, the FAQ says, quite clearly, "Welcome to The Flat Earth Society" not "Welcome to theflatearthsociety.org"  This forum is known as "The Flat Earth Society."  It is called "The Flat Earth Society."  You are a member of something called "The Flat Earth Society."  You are a member of The Flat Earth Society.

Being a member of something does not require you to follow its beliefs or sign contracts or any of the other shit you spewed on this thread.
And when you enter the United States from Canada the sign says, "Welcome to the United States". So when you walk in, by your reasoning, you get two senators and a representative to Congress and become the 51st state.

Now let's review:
theflatearthsociety.org>>Flat Earth Discussion>>Flat Earth Questions & Clarification>>Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"

That's the hierarchy of your post. Where do you see "The Flat Earth Society"?

No, no, no, no, no, Gulliver.  When you come to the United States and see a sign that says Welcome to the United States you are not a member.  When you come here and see "Welcome to the Flat Earth Society" you are not a member.  When, however, you REGISTER you become a MEMBER of the forum CALLED "The Flat Earth Society".  This makes you a member of "The Flat Earth Society", which is this forum.  I am done explaining this to you, "Ignore Gulliver" button pressed.
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #55 on: July 10, 2007, 02:33:29 PM »
Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 10, 2007, 02:30:37 PM
Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 10, 2007, 02:17:11 PM
Gulliver's position about the Flat Earth Society is apparently exactly the same as the FEers' position about the conspiracy.  There's no evidence at all of its existence but... it's just there.  :o
You have forgotten the two pieces of evidence that I presented apparently.
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #56 on: July 10, 2007, 02:34:25 PM »
You never provided any evidence.
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #57 on: July 10, 2007, 02:34:34 PM »
His arguments are like The Blob. They are constructed from anything around, grow out of control, they are everywhere and anyone that looks at them long enough can do nothing but say, "wtf?"
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #58 on: July 10, 2007, 02:36:50 PM »
Quote from: CommonCents on July 10, 2007, 02:33:16 PM
Quote from: Gulliver on July 10, 2007, 02:29:35 PM
Quote from: CommonCents on July 10, 2007, 02:20:26 PM
Quote from: Gulliver on July 10, 2007, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: CommonCents on July 10, 2007, 01:56:18 PM
What you are failing to realize is I'm saying you are a member of something called "The Flat Earth Society"

These forums are called "The Flat Earth Society" not "The Flat Earth Society Forums"

I have a couple of questions for you:
1. Are you a member of this forum
2. Is the name of this forum "The Flat Earth Society"
1) Yes. 2) No. It's "theflatearthsociety.org". You're mistaking the FES banner with the Forum name.

No, the FAQ says, quite clearly, "Welcome to The Flat Earth Society" not "Welcome to theflatearthsociety.org"  This forum is known as "The Flat Earth Society."  It is called "The Flat Earth Society."  You are a member of something called "The Flat Earth Society."  You are a member of The Flat Earth Society.

Being a member of something does not require you to follow its beliefs or sign contracts or any of the other shit you spewed on this thread.
And when you enter the United States from Canada the sign says, "Welcome to the United States". So when you walk in, by your reasoning, you get two senators and a representative to Congress and become the 51st state.

Now let's review:
theflatearthsociety.org>>Flat Earth Discussion>>Flat Earth Questions & Clarification>>Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"

That's the hierarchy of your post. Where do you see "The Flat Earth Society"?

No, no, no, no, no, Gulliver.  When you come to the United States and see a sign that says Welcome to the United States you are not a member.  When you come here and see "Welcome to the Flat Earth Society" you are not a member.  When, however, you REGISTER you become a MEMBER of the forum CALLED "The Flat Earth Society".  This makes you a member of "The Flat Earth Society", which is this forum.  I am done explaining this to you, "Ignore Gulliver" button pressed.
Again, the name of the forum is "theflatearthsociety.org". You register to the forum, not the society. Get over it.
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Re: Sunrise/sunset and your so-called "perspective effect"
« Reply #59 on: July 10, 2007, 02:37:29 PM »
Narcberry, that has to be the single sanest thing I've seen you post...This cannot possibly be the same person who said that his kitchen floor was flat so the Earth is flat.
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