Global Warning Causes Falling Sea Levels

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That's why its called "alternative" science.  Schools should teach both GW and non-GW theories in calsses, since they are both still theories.

That's why its called "alternative" science.  Schools should teach both GW and non-GW theories in calsses, since they are both still theories.

Al Gore theories should not be taught in schools.

Thats a motto that could help many schools.

That's why its called "alternative" science.  Schools should teach both GW and non-GW theories in calsses, since they are both still theories.

This is not alternative science. This is called "people looking for a reason to speak".

Like all the souless hippies that protested the vietnam war. If it wasn't for their venerially infected bodies, we might've won Vietnam.

And Bob Dole didn't have ED, too. 

That's why its called "alternative" science.  Schools should teach both GW and non-GW theories in calsses, since they are both still theories.

There are no 'theories'. There's just the one. You skeptics have yet to provide a more plausible one, so until that time AGW is the only theory there is to teach.

Al Gore theories should not be taught in schools.

Thats a motto that could help many school

As far as I know, Al Gore had precisely nothing to do with the formulation of AGW theory. (That is, unless he's over a century old, which I doubt.) So you have nothing to worry about.

Well, after careful consideration, I have noticed the weather getting warmer over the last several months. I hope the ice caps are okay.

And still, the water is rising.

I've notified Holland.

Well, after careful consideration, I have noticed the weather getting warmer over the last several months. I hope the ice caps are okay.

I'm afraid I have to deduct 97 victory points from you for trying to extrapolate a long term trend from short term data. I hope you're pleased with yourself.

Well the northwest is having a freezing summer. and as for global warming, when i only have to drive a hundred miles to the beach i'll believe it.

Well the northwest is having a freezing summer.

Is it? According to the NOAA temperatures in the US have been above average this summer.

But that's beside the point. It doesn't matter whether one summer or one winter in one place was particularly warm or cold. What we're looking for here is a long term global trend. Small regional trends mean little in the overall scheme of things. And the global mean temperature has been doing exactly as predicted this year, with temperatures so far being the second warmest on record (with the anomalously warm 1998 still being the first).

and as for global warming, when i only have to drive a hundred miles to the beach i'll believe it.

That's stupid. The entire point of this sort of science is to give us advanced warning before the facts become obvious to everyone. If we waited around for a few years we'd no doubt be absolutely certain whether or not GW was real, but it'd be too late. So for now I'm afraid you'll just have to settle for 95% certainty instead.

Quote from: The Kommunist on July 27, 2007, 08:17:38 AM

That's why its called "alternative" science.  Schools should teach both GW and non-GW theories in calsses, since they are both still theories.

There are no 'theories'. There's just the one. You skeptics have yet to provide a more plausible one, so until that time AGW is the only theory there is to teach.

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Al Gore theories should not be taught in schools.

Thats a motto that could help many school

As far as I know, Al Gore had precisely nothing to do with the formulation of AGW theory. (That is, unless he's over a century old, which I doubt.) So you have nothing to worry about.

There is another theory besides GW: non-GW and GW-not-that-much-affected-by-human-emissions.  The latter has much larger support then GW itself.

And still, the water is rising.

It appears to be rising only due to erosion.

Quote from: narcberry on July 28, 2007, 12:07:30 PM

Well, after careful consideration, I have noticed the weather getting warmer over the last several months. I hope the ice caps are okay.

I'm afraid I have to deduct 97 victory points from you for trying to extrapolate a long term trend from short term data. I hope you're pleased with yourself.

The method in bold is the method used in GW.  By your logic, narc should receive positive victory points.

Quote from: Raist on July 29, 2007, 04:33:17 PM

Well the northwest is having a freezing summer.

Is it? According to the NOAA temperatures in the US have been above average this summer.

Obviously their data recording figures must be completely off.  This year alone has faced frigid ocean temperatures in the NE US and 95+ degree temperatures are less often occurred in the US.  Also, less forest fires have occurred in the SW US.  Also, warmer temperatures would prompt larger infestations of African honeybees to spread throughout the NE and expand further north through Canada; which did not occur.

edit - I let out a huge chuckle when they mentioned it the driest season despite less forest fires and tremendous precipitation over the midwest and northeast.

There is another theory besides GW: non-GW and GW-not-that-much-affected-by-human-emissions.  The latter has much larger support then GW itself.

Support doth not a valid scientific theory make. Your case is generally that 'global warming is not caused by humans', yet you have given no other mechanism which explains the observed 20th century warming. Saying "it's a natural cycle" isn't good enough, natural cycles have causes. In order to have a valid theory you need to provide evidence that carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas and does not drive the climate, and provide evidence of some presently active natural forcing that does.

The method in bold is the method used in GW. By your logic, narc should receive positive victory points.

I haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about, and I don't think you do either. I think you just want to be contrary.

Obviously their data recording figures must be completely off.  This year alone has faced frigid ocean temperatures in the NE US and 95+ degree temperatures are less often occurred in the US.  Also, less forest fires have occurred in the SW US.  Also, warmer temperatures would prompt larger infestations of African honeybees to spread throughout the NE and expand further north through Canada; which did not occur.

edit - I let out a huge chuckle when they mentioned it the driest season despite less forest fires and tremendous precipitation over the midwest and northeast.

I think they must not be. There hasn't been anything particularly unusual about the weather this year, apart from the expected increase in precipitation (see the IPCC AR4 FAQ section 3.2).

If you have a data set that contradicts the NOAA's, please let me see it. Because at present I have much greater confidence in their's than in your personal testimony. If you want to call the NOAA liars, you're gonna need something a hell of a lot better than "cause I said so!". You aren't a king. You don't get to issue fiats. You lose 18 victory points for being cheeky.

That's the worst theory in the history of anything ever. You forgot about the ice that isn't floating on the ocean. What about all that ice covering Antarctica, eh? When the ice sheets around the edges melt (and they're melting much faster than expected) there'll be nothing to stop the ice covering the southern continent's surface from sliding into the ocean as well. And that will result in a sea level rise. Just drop a few ice cubes into a full glass of water and you'll see what I mean. Buoyancy and all that.

So you = fails at logics.

Besides calling earth FLAT.

Quote from: Raist on July 29, 2007, 04:33:17 PM

Well the northwest is having a freezing summer.

Is it? According to the NOAA temperatures in the US have been above average this summer.

But that's beside the point. It doesn't matter whether one summer or one winter in one place was particularly warm or cold. What we're looking for here is a long term global trend. Small regional trends mean little in the overall scheme of things. And the global mean temperature has been doing exactly as predicted this year, with temperatures so far being the second warmest on record (with the anomalously warm 1998 still being the first).

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and as for global warming, when i only have to drive a hundred miles to the beach i'll believe it.

That's stupid. The entire point of this sort of science is to give us advanced warning before the facts become obvious to everyone. If we waited around for a few years we'd no doubt be absolutely certain whether or not GW was real, but it'd be too late. So for now I'm afraid you'll just have to settle for 95% certainty instead.

Well considering i simply said the midwest, the average US temperature has nothing to do with it.

And i am simply saying i don't care if the icecaps melt. It would mean a shorter drive to the beach, i guess it kind of missed though so nm.

Your case is generally that 'global warming is not caused by humans', yet you have given no other mechanism which explains the observed 20th century warming.

It's caused due to sweating to the oldies! But seriously, its caused by bovine flatulence, solar activity, volcanic activity, natural gas venting, internal energy increase, entropy, chaos theory, numerous other sources.  Think about it...we have faced cycles of ice ages and warm periods.  What makes this current trend an area odf grave concern to all civilization?

It's caused due to sweating to the oldies! But seriously, its caused by bovine flatulence, solar activity, volcanic activity, natural gas venting, internal energy increase, entropy, chaos theory, numerous other sources.  Think about it...we have faced cycles of ice ages and warm periods.  What makes this current trend an area odf grave concern to all civilization?

Making crap up: not a crime in 52 states. (But it maybe should be. I mean, chaos theory? For real?)

I can respond to each of those claims in kind, but I'm not going to bother with any thought or content if you won't do the same. At least give some sources, please. (Note: Junkscience.com does not count as a source.)

Quote from: GeoGuy on August 01, 2007, 04:15:48 PM

Your case is generally that 'global warming is not caused by humans', yet you have given no other mechanism which explains the observed 20th century warming.

It's caused due to sweating to the oldies! But seriously, its caused by bovine flatulence, solar activity, volcanic activity, natural gas venting, internal energy increase, entropy, chaos theory, numerous other sources.  Think about it...we have faced cycles of ice ages and warm periods.  What makes this current trend an area odf grave concern to all civilization?

Because these previous ice ages have resulted in mass extinctions.  That quite literally is a grave concern. 

Quote from: The Kommunist on August 02, 2007, 05:14:02 PM

Quote from: GeoGuy on August 01, 2007, 04:15:48 PM

Your case is generally that 'global warming is not caused by humans', yet you have given no other mechanism which explains the observed 20th century warming.

It's caused due to sweating to the oldies! But seriously, its caused by bovine flatulence, solar activity, volcanic activity, natural gas venting, internal energy increase, entropy, chaos theory, numerous other sources.  Think about it...we have faced cycles of ice ages and warm periods.  What makes this current trend an area odf grave concern to all civilization?

Because these previous ice ages have resulted in mass extinctions.  That quite literally is a grave concern. 

Yes but considering if it is of natural causes there is pretty much nothing we can do about it.

So what you are thinking is since we don't know for sure whether or not this global warming is man-made we should not do anything about it. 

It shouldn't matter if global warming is man-made or not!  "This climate condition that has potential to kill many people and animals is not something we should worry about because it has happened in the past"?  You're essentially saying some 10-mile wide asteroid that will collide with Earth is not our fault, so we shouldn't worry about it! 

What the hell is wrong with you people?  Honestly.  It is well known what greenhouse gasses do.  It is well known that humans create a plethora of greenhouse gasses through our technologies.  Whether or not we are in a "natural upslope of global temperatures" does not mean it is not positively influenced by these additional gasses.    Yes, no one truly knows what sort of 'natural' cycle the Earth is in right now.  But HELLO ... we are in the middle of fucking nature.  We are part of nature.  We are changing nature.  We can and do change our environment. 

Whether or not it is "natural" is completely moot.  If we have some capacity to impact the environmental changes that will ultimately spell our demise then we should fucking do what we can. 

Global warming theory was created in the late 19th century. Gore may be getting up there in years but he isn't that old. So I have to deduct 46 victory points from you for failing at the histories.

The water is higher than yesterday, kids.

And it's rising at a rate of about 3.1+/-0.7 mm per year, I might add. What's your point?

And it's rising at a rate of about 3.1+/-0.7 mm per year, I might add. What's your point?

last time i peed in the ocean it raised close to that.