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tiny question
« on: June 11, 2007, 03:14:10 AM »
hi everybody, I'm quite new in here and I have been studying this forum for a while. But what I have been wondering about the great icewall around the world is this:
What is the altitude of this wall?

I' ve been searching on the forum but i couldn't find a clear answer

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Chris Spaghetti

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Re: tiny question
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2007, 03:17:58 AM »
Generally believed to be 150ft, hope that helps
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duupie

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Re: tiny question
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2007, 03:26:07 AM »
if the wall is so low, how come the atmosphere doesn't flow of it?
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Bushido

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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2007, 03:43:06 AM »
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Mr. Ireland

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Re: tiny question
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2007, 05:45:05 AM »
One man at least believes it to be 50 000ft.
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duupie

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Re: tiny question
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2007, 07:42:01 AM »
I tried to find an answer, but i couldn't find anything satisfying I read something about eternal planes or something, but that doesn't prevent the atmosphere from flowing away. Am I missing something here?
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Bushido

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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2007, 07:58:18 AM »
It has been asked by at least one person before you and he did not receive any answer. Good luck!
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duupie

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Re: tiny question
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2007, 08:06:33 AM »
If the flat earth theory fails to explain the existance of an atmosphere, I'm afraid we can say the theory is incorrect.
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Re: tiny question
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2007, 08:41:51 AM »
FE theory is like 1000 different theories all about a flat earth.
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duupie

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Re: tiny question
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2007, 08:48:37 AM »
And is there one of them that can explain the existance of an atmosphere?
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Tom Bishop

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Re: tiny question
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2007, 09:03:17 AM »
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And is there one of them that can explain the existance of an atmosphere?

Dr. Rowbotham's infinite plane model works well.
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Mr. Ireland

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Re: tiny question
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2007, 09:05:10 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 11, 2007, 09:03:17 AM
Dr. Rowbotham's infinite plane model works well.

Only under the FE model that doesn't rotate. 

The 50 000ft icewall has to be the closest to an explanation yet.
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Re: tiny question
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2007, 09:05:42 AM »
Quote from: duupie on June 11, 2007, 08:48:37 AM
And is there one of them that can explain the existance of an atmosphere?
No.
The theories offer 5 basic ideas
1) The Ice Wall is very tall.
2) The atmosphere lumps into the center.
3) Negative pressure gradients contain the atmosphere.
4) The atmosphere is infinite.
5) The atmosphere won't migrate since there is no lateral force in the FE atmosphere.

Each have been rebuked successfully.
1) An Ice Wall that would successfully contain the atmosphere would be a solid structure taller than the highest mountains and longer than any known mountain range. It would be visible for hundreds of miles. Its mass would be so great as to affect navigation and weather.
2) Since the atmosphere is fluid, this idea seems outlandish right away.
3) This idea is like saying you can keep water from running off a hilltop by digging a moat. Even the moat would fill and overflow in time.
4) Of course, every time we see that something is infinite we have to have outstanding proof before we would believe it. Since the atmosphere is mostly a solution and since we've measured changes in that solution, we know that the atmosphere is finite.
5) Since the atmosphere has pressure in all directions, this idea as well seems outlandish right away.

Well, that's my summary. I'm sure others can do a better job. Feel free to correct me or improve the list.
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Re: tiny question
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2007, 09:06:47 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 11, 2007, 09:03:17 AM
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And is there one of them that can explain the existance of an atmosphere?

Dr. Rowbotham's infinite plane model works well.
Wrong. It's terrible. The atmosphere is mostly a solution. We've measured changes in that solution. Therefore the atmosphere in finite.
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duupie

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Re: tiny question
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2007, 09:21:23 AM »
So that's it? So much for the theory  ??? I am fairly disappointed there are people who believe in a theory that's can be rebunked in under 50 lines of text. What a waste of time  :-[
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Tom Bishop

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Re: tiny question
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2007, 09:26:04 AM »
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4) Of course, every time we see that something is infinite we have to have outstanding proof before we would believe it.

The RE universe is widely considered to be infinite in size and extent beyond our Hubble sphere of vision. Yet, this is all believed without "outstanding proof."

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Wrong. It's terrible. The atmosphere is mostly a solution. We've measured changes in that solution. Therefore the atmosphere in finite.

Of course there will be changes to the atmosphere on the infinite model. The sun passes by every day in our local area, constantly changing pressure and heat.

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So that's it? So much for the theory  Huh I am fairly disappointed there are people who believe in a theory that's can be debunked in under 50 lines of text. What a waste of time.

What evidence do you have showing that the atmosphere is finite?
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Re: tiny question
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2007, 09:34:04 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 11, 2007, 09:26:04 AM
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4) Of course, every time we see that something is infinite we have to have outstanding proof before we would believe it.

The RE universe is widely considered to be infinite in size and extent beyond our Hubble sphere of vision. Yet, there is no "outstanding proof."
I dispute your claim that the universe is widely considered to be infinite in size.
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Wrong. It's terrible. The atmosphere is mostly a solution. We've measured changes in that solution. Therefore the atmosphere in finite.

Of course there will be changes in the atmosphere on the infinite model. The sun passes by every day in our local area, constantly changing pressure and heat.
You misunderstand. I said a change in the solution, its component gases held in solution.
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So that's it? So much for the theory  Huh I am fairly disappointed there are people who believe in a theory that's can be debunked in under 50 lines of text. What a waste of time.

What evidence do you have showing that the atmosphere is finite?
We've already told you. The detected changes determine that the atmosphere must be finite.
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Re: tiny question
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2007, 09:51:30 AM »
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I dispute your claim that the universe is widely considered to be infinite in size.

Do you believe in the Big Bang? If so, then you believe in Cosmic Inflation:

    "Cosmic inflation seems to be eternal the way it is theorized. Although new inflation is classically rolling down the potential, quantum fluctuations can sometimes bring it back up to previous levels. These regions in which the inflation fluctuates upwards expand much faster than regions in which the inflation has a lower potential energy, and tend to dominate in terms of physical volume. This steady state, which first developed by Vilenkin, is called "eternal inflation". It has been shown that any inflationary theory with an unbounded potential is eternal. It is a popular belief among physicists that this steady state cannot continue forever into the past."

Cosmic Inflation for Beginners: http://www.lifesci.sussex.ac.uk/home/John_Gribbin/cosmo.htm

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You misunderstand. I said a change in the solution, its component gases held in solution.

Considering that the heat from the sun changes pressure, and that winds will naturally move from areas of high pressure to areas of low pressure, then the atmosphere will be constantly changing. Given a difference in barometric pressure between two air masses, a wind will arise between the two which tends to flow from the area of high pressure to the area of low pressure until the two air masses are at the same pressure. The molecules of the atmosphere ride upon these currents of the winds.

If an instrument observes 20.3% oxygen at one moment, it may very well observe 20.4% oxygen in the next.


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Re: tiny question
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2007, 09:55:00 AM »
Dearest Tom Bishop, please trust us to know our own theory as much as you know your own (TFET). The current model of the universe states that the observable universe is finite in size, and that the universe 'as a whole' is of undetermined size that may well be finite or infinite depending on the 4-dimensional (or higher) shape of space. Expanding forever doesn't mean infinite.
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Re: tiny question
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2007, 10:00:15 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 11, 2007, 09:51:30 AM
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I dispute your claim that the universe is widely considered to be infinite in size.

Do you believe in the Big Bang? If so, then you believe in Cosmic Inflation:

    "Cosmic inflation seems to be eternal the way it is theorized. Although new inflation is classically rolling down the potential, quantum fluctuations can sometimes bring it back up to previous levels. These regions in which the inflation fluctuates upwards expand much faster than regions in which the inflation has a lower potential energy, and tend to dominate in terms of physical volume. This steady state, which first developed by Vilenkin, is called "eternal inflation". It has been shown that any inflationary theory with an unbounded potential is eternal. It is a popular belief among physicists that this steady state cannot continue forever into the past."

Cosmic Inflation for Beginners: http://www.lifesci.sussex.ac.uk/home/John_Gribbin/cosmo.htm
Nothing is the reference says the Universe is infinite. It's irrelevant as you, TomB.
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You misunderstand. I said a change in the solution, its component gases held in solution.

Considering that the heat from the sun changes pressure, and that winds will naturally move from areas of high pressure to areas of low pressure, then the atmosphere will be constantly changing. Given a difference in barometric pressure between two air masses, a wind will arise between the two which tends to flow from the area of high pressure to the area of low pressure until the two air masses are at the same pressure. The molecules of the atmosphere ride upon these currents of the winds.

If an instrument observes 20.3% oxygen at one moment, it may very well observe 20.4% oxygen in the next.
You need to remember grade school science, TomB. Solutions are homogeneous. New gases dissolve very quickly into the solution. Pressure differences and the resulting winds actually speed the process along. No, the readings would not change over a minute, or even a week, unless a very unlikely situation (standing near an active oil well, for example) or fault or inaccuracy of the device.
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duupie

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Re: tiny question
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2007, 10:17:00 AM »
If the atmosphere and the surface of the earth would be infinite, all chemical activity would evolve to absolute homeostasis whitin a mather of time. This is not the case. If you don't want to see the truth, the lies become real to your own perception. Open your eyes Tom, we are not in the middle ages anymore.
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Re: tiny question
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2007, 11:46:32 AM »
I think the UA is keeping the atmosphere on the earth, the same way it's keeping us on the earth.
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duupie

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Re: tiny question
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2007, 11:51:59 AM »
hey einstein, ever heard of diffusion?
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Re: tiny question
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2007, 11:55:20 AM »
Quote from: duupie on June 11, 2007, 11:51:59 AM
hey einstein, ever heard of diffusion?
You must throw physics out the window to believe the earth is flat. 
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Re: tiny question
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2007, 11:58:26 AM »
Quote from: duupie on June 11, 2007, 11:51:59 AM
hey einstein, ever heard of diffusion?

No.  Can you explain it to me, please?  And the more detail, the better.  If I'm ever going to let go of my firm belief that the UA is keeping the atmosphere in I'm going to need some serious convincing.
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duupie

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« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2007, 12:01:22 PM »
It's the same physics that make it possible to ride a bike, to drive a car, to make a cilliciumchip with million's of transistor's, that make it possible to communicate, ITS ALL AROUND US. WHITOUT DIFFUSION OF FLUIDS AND GASSES WE WOULD JUST DROP DEAD. THAT'S THE WAY OXIGEN IS TRANSPORTED ALL AROUND OUR BODY. Is all of that also a set-up? Are we just THINKING we are using computers? that's quite far fetched i guess.
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Re: tiny question
« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2007, 12:02:57 PM »
Quote from: Roundy the Exasperated on June 11, 2007, 11:58:26 AM
Quote from: duupie on June 11, 2007, 11:51:59 AM
hey einstein, ever heard of diffusion?

No.  Can you explain it to me, please?  And the more detail, the better.  If I'm ever going to let go of my firm belief that the UA is keeping the atmosphere in I'm going to need some serious convincing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion

in short:gasses go from a higher concentration to a lower concentration. on our globe, the gasses have a high concentration, in outer space, the gasses have a low concentration, if it wasn't for gravity, the gasses would escape the planet. With the UA theory, the gasses would flow of the edge, or of you believe in the eternal planes, the gasses would DIFFUSE away.
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Re: tiny question
« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2007, 12:04:51 PM »
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to make a cilliciumchip with million's of transistor's
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Re: tiny question
« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2007, 12:06:13 PM »
Quote from: duupie on June 11, 2007, 12:02:57 PM
Quote from: Roundy the Exasperated on June 11, 2007, 11:58:26 AM
Quote from: duupie on June 11, 2007, 11:51:59 AM
hey einstein, ever heard of diffusion?

No.  Can you explain it to me, please?  And the more detail, the better.  If I'm ever going to let go of my firm belief that the UA is keeping the atmosphere in I'm going to need some serious convincing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion

I found this very difficult to understand.   :(

Maybe since you seem to get it you could put it in layman's terms.  If I'm to change my belief I'm going to need to know the reason why.
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Re: tiny question
« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2007, 12:09:16 PM »
I allready modified my previous post.
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to make a cilliciumchip with million's of transistor's

I'm sorry for my crappy english. (I speak dutch) I mean silicon chips.
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