Give me one decent reason for believing the Earth is whirling globe

Quote from: TheEngineer on May 10, 2007, 10:09:17 PM

If you knew anything about Special Relativity you would not have made the comment you did. 

Like I said, Tell me how acceleration causes an orbit. 

Giant magnets?

Quote from: TheEngineer on May 10, 2007, 10:09:17 PM

If you knew anything about Special Relativity you would not have made the comment you did. 

Like I said, Tell me how acceleration causes an orbit. 

Sorry, but what does that have to do with your prior statement?

Cheese, yummo!

Quote from: sokarul on May 10, 2007, 10:56:38 PM

Quote from: TheEngineer on May 10, 2007, 10:09:17 PM

If you knew anything about Special Relativity you would not have made the comment you did. 

Like I said, Tell me how acceleration causes an orbit. 

Sorry, but what does that have to do with your prior statement?

Just like I thought.  You cant answer because you were wrong.  Now why are you trying to say I dont know what Im talking about when you are the one that doesn't know anything? 

For about the 200th time, without acceleration, you have no orbit.  An orbit is an acceleration.


Now, asking me to circle the part of the picture that shows something about acceleration in a diagram about Special Relativity shows your stupidity.  The fact you stand by your statement makes it just that much funnier.

For about the 200th time, without acceleration, you have no orbit.  An orbit is an acceleration.


Now, asking me to circle the part of the picture that shows something about acceleration in a diagram about Special Relativity shows your stupidity.  The fact you stand by your statement makes it just that much funnier.

For the 200ths time, yes an orbit is angular acceleration but an acceleration cannot cause an orbit.  You base your whole idea that the only way for people to stay on the earth is for it to be accelerating.  This is wrong but for some unknown reason you took what Einstein came up with, then changed it thus getting your theory.

Dude I asked you to circle the part where spacetime is bending to show that acceleration does not bend spacetime.     

For the 200ths time, yes an orbit is angular acceleration but an acceleration cannot cause an orbit. 

If. You. Are. Not. Accelerating. You. Are. Not. Orbiting.

Dude I asked you to circle the part where spacetime is bending to show that acceleration does not bend spacetime.

Exactly.  If you knew anything about Special Relativity, you would know why that is a stupid question.  The fact you keep bringing it up means you have no idea why it is wrong.

Quote from: sokarul on May 11, 2007, 08:31:25 AM

For the 200ths time, yes an orbit is angular acceleration but an acceleration cannot cause an orbit. 

If. You. Are. Not. Accelerating. You. Are. Not. Orbiting.

If you take away the giant mass you are not orbiting.  I think you need to look up the word "cause".  Acceleration does not cause orbit since orbit is angular acceleration.  Acceleration cannot cause more acceleration.  Its not going to happen. 

I think you need to look up the word "cause".  Acceleration does not cause orbit since orbit is angular acceleration. 

Sure.  Keep digging.

I like how you now ignore the other part of the post...

Quote from: sokarul on May 11, 2007, 09:30:05 AM

I think you need to look up the word "cause".  Acceleration does not cause orbit since orbit is angular acceleration. 

Sure.  Keep digging.

I like how you now ignore the other part of the post...

lol says the king of ignoring parts of peoples posts.  I will ask again.  How does an acceleration create another acceleration?   

I never said it did.  I said that acceleration causes orbits.  But what can I expect from someone that argues relativity yet doesn't even know the basis for it?

I never said it did.  I said that acceleration causes orbits.  But what can I expect from someone that argues relativity yet doesn't even know the basis for it?

Acceleration cannot cause orbit because orbit is acceleration.  Why cant you get it?  Spacetime bending causes acceleration.  Not the other way around.  And mass causes spacetime bending. 

*yawn*

*yawn*

Owned is more like it. 

So who's right? You two never settle your arguments so I never know which of you was right. That doesn't help me learn...

So who's right? You two never settle your arguments so I never know which of you was right. That doesn't help me learn...

Well if engineer can tell me how acceleration can cause another acceleration then he would be right. Of course he would also have to disprove Einstein because Einstein says mass bends spacetime.  But he cant so I'm right. 

Ok. But why are you right? What did you say? I lost track in the mindless arguing going on here between you two.

I never said acceleration causes another acceleration.  I said orbits are caused by acceleration.  You can't seem to understand that. 

Plus you think my diagrams on Special Relativity should show how acceleration causes space to bend.

Well Sokarul seems to be saying an orbit is an acceleration so that's why he thinks you said that. Is he right or wrong?

I never said acceleration causes another acceleration.  I said orbits are caused by acceleration.  You can't seem to understand that. 

An orbiting object is caused by spacetime bending.  Acceleration comes from spacetime bending.  Take away the spacetime bending and you have no orbit.  Mass is the cause angular acceleration is the effect.

Plus you think my diagrams on Special Relativity should show how acceleration causes space to bend.

I said cirlce spacetime bending because I knew you couldnt.  

Just face it,  the world cannot be flat.  The people at the icewall would feel a force toward the north pole.  

Just face it,  the world cannot be flat.  

If you face that then there will be nothing left to do on this forum but spam.

Quote from: sokarul on May 11, 2007, 10:19:57 AM

Just face it,  the world cannot be flat.  

If you face that then there will be nothing left to do on this forum but spam.

Thats the whole reason why they came up with the UA.  If they believed in mass causing gravitation, like Einstein did and which can also be observed, they wouldn't believe the earth is flat.  So the engineer took the EP and mutilated it to get it to fit the view that acceleration is the only way to cause gravitation.  That is to say the only way to stand on earth is for it to be accelerating.  When in realtiy this is not the case.     

But I like UA, makes more sense to me than gravity.

Anyway, if there's no UA, and therefore the no FE, then you're gonna ruin the whole forum

Quote from: TheEngineer on May 11, 2007, 10:14:25 AM

I never said acceleration causes another acceleration.  I said orbits are caused by acceleration.  You can't seem to understand that. 

An orbiting object is caused by spacetime bending.  Acceleration comes from spacetime bending.  Take away the spacetime bending and you have no orbit.  Mass is the cause angular acceleration is the effect.

Like I said.

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Plus you think my diagrams on Special Relativity should show how acceleration causes space to bend.

I said cirlce spacetime bending because I knew you couldnt. 

The best part about it is that you have no idea why your request was so stupid.  If you knew even the most basic parameter of Special Relativity, you would know why it was stupid.  It's like asking someone to circle the airplane in an underwater picture of a shark.  Since you keep asking, it makes it so much funnier.

I may put this in my sig so that I can laugh at you every time I see one of my posts.

Quote from: sokarul on May 11, 2007, 10:19:57 AM

Quote from: TheEngineer on May 11, 2007, 10:14:25 AM

I never said acceleration causes another acceleration.  I said orbits are caused by acceleration.  You can't seem to understand that. 

An orbiting object is caused by spacetime bending.  Acceleration comes from spacetime bending.  Take away the spacetime bending and you have no orbit.  Mass is the cause angular acceleration is the effect.

Like I said.

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Plus you think my diagrams on Special Relativity should show how acceleration causes space to bend.

I said cirlce spacetime bending because I knew you couldnt. 

The best part about it is that you have no idea why your request was so stupid.  If you knew even the most basic parameter of Special Relativity, you would know why it was stupid.  It's like asking someone to circle the airplane in an underwater picture of a shark.  Since you keep asking, it makes it so much funnier.

I may put this in my sig so that I can laugh at you every time I see one of my posts.

Feel free too. After all you were the one that said acceleration can bend spacetime.

I like how you now ignore the other part of the post...

Added:

Heres where you said acceleration bends spacetime.

Quote from: sokarul

Acceleration doesnt deform spacetime nor just space.  Nowhere does the EP say it does.

So, how does EP account for gravitational lensing or gravitational time dilation?  Either can be used to differentiate between acceleration and a gravitational field locally, destroying EP and thus General Relativity.

And you still don't get it!  Your creditability falls like a rock each time you defend your statement.

Put it in your sig and be done with it

And you still don't get it!  Your creditability falls like a rock each time you defend your statement.

Just keep thinking that. 
I guess I dont get how you claiming acceleration bends spacetime makes me look bad. 

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Plus you think my diagrams on Special Relativity should show how acceleration causes space to bend.

I said cirlce spacetime bending   

That's the part that makes you look stupid.

Asking me to circle something about acceleration in a diagram on Special Relativity.

Quote from: sokarul on May 11, 2007, 10:19:57 AM

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Plus you think my diagrams on Special Relativity should show how acceleration causes space to bend.

I said cirlce spacetime bending   

That's the part that makes you look stupid.

Asking me to circle something about acceleration in a diagram on Special Relativity.

You dont even remember what I said.  Here,

Circle the part that shows spacetime bending.   

Ok now take into consideration how you think acceleration can bend spacetime.  What do you get?