Discussion on Anarchy

The problem with self-defence groups and militias is that only people who can afford to pay people to defend them will get defending, and naturally the strongest will take control.

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 02:56:04 PM

anarchists are no different from yourself.
they have jobs
go to college
eat daily.
play swim fear die
To only different apparently is they don't like oppresive controls.
duh.

and don't want to pay taxes
don't want to do jury duty
say that using state services are wrong even though they use them...

they may or may not pay taxes. a lot of nonanarchists no pay taxes.
actually, many do go to juries
and who said they use state services, which is not necessarily against some anarchist philosophies.

If you are an anarchist,  can  you go to AA?

Quote from: GeneralGayness on April 26, 2007, 02:59:26 PM

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 02:56:04 PM

anarchists are no different from yourself.
they have jobs
go to college
eat daily.
play swim fear die
To only different apparently is they don't like oppresive controls.
duh.

and don't want to pay taxes
don't want to do jury duty
say that using state services are wrong even though they use them...

they may or may not pay taxes. a lot of nonanarchists no pay taxes.
actually, many do go to juries
and who said they use state services, which is not necessarily against some anarchist philosophies.

You stated that:

anarchists are no different from yourself.
they have jobs
go to college
eat daily.
play swim fear die
To only different apparently is they don't like oppresive controls.
duh.

Which means your last post contradicts the above quote?

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 02:56:04 PM

anarchists are no different from yourself.
they have jobs
go to college
eat daily.
play swim fear die
To only different apparently is they don't like oppresive controls.
duh.

Yes, that is because THEY ARE FORCED to participate in government. AKA: they pay taxes, they have a house, and if they don't have a house, they pay income taxes if they have a job. Therefore, making them hypocrites.
They don't like oppressive control, but they have to abide by it or else.
The only true anarchist would be the person who lives in the alley, doesn't have a job, and fends for himself. Working and going to school would make him not an anarchist.

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade

Just tell me government is so fucken great right now.

Lol, an anarchy would be so much better, right? Wrong.

1. You don't know who pays taxes and who doesn't.
2, having a house is not nonanarchist
3. it is nigh impossible to actaully not take part in a capitalist society when one lives in one. Does not mean they are not anarchists. IWW is an anarchist union.

The problem with self-defence groups and militias is that only people who can afford to pay people to defend them will get defending, and naturally the strongest will take control.

Um...you obviously don't understand that anarchists are anticapitalists. there would be no paying, per se. Anarchists economics is so diverse i don't want to get into it.
but that is not how it works in anarchy, that is how it works now.

If you are an anarchist,  can  you go to AA?

i don't know anything about AA except it is religious I think.
So can atheists take part in AA?

Quote from: Vauxhall the Vampire on April 26, 2007, 03:04:18 PM

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 02:56:04 PM

anarchists are no different from yourself.
they have jobs
go to college
eat daily.
play swim fear die
To only different apparently is they don't like oppresive controls.
duh.

Yes, that is because THEY ARE FORCED to participate in government. AKA: they pay taxes, they have a house, and if they don't have a house, they pay income taxes if they have a job. Therefore, making them hypocrites.
They don't like oppressive control, but they have to abide by it or else.
The only true anarchist would be the person who lives in the alley, doesn't have a job, and fends for himself. Working and going to school would make him not an anarchist.

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade

Just tell me government is so fucken great right now.

Lol, an anarchy would be so much better, right? Wrong.

1. You don't know who pays taxes and who doesn't.
2, having a house is not nonanarchist
3. it is nigh impossible to actaully not take part in a capitalist society when one lives in one. Does not mean they are not anarchists. IWW is an anarchist union.

I don't want to repeat what I just said, because it is correct.

You're a retard. And your grammar is terrible.

Quote from: GeneralGayness on April 26, 2007, 02:59:26 PM

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 02:56:04 PM

anarchists are no different from yourself.
they have jobs
go to college
eat daily.
play swim fear die
To only different apparently is they don't like oppresive controls.
duh.

and don't want to pay taxes
don't want to do jury duty
say that using state services are wrong even though they use them...

they may or may not pay taxes. a lot of nonanarchists no pay taxes.
actually, many do go to juries
and who said they use state services, which is not necessarily against some anarchist philosophies.

it's very hard to get away from using state services

Quote from: Engy Baby on April 26, 2007, 03:06:12 PM

The problem with self-defence groups and militias is that only people who can afford to pay people to defend them will get defending, and naturally the strongest will take control.

Um...you obviously don't understand that anarchists are anticapitalists. there would be no paying, per se. Anarchists economics is so diverse i don't want to get into it.
but that is not how it works in anarchy, that is how it works now.

Sorry, was thinking of market anarchy.

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 03:06:58 PM

Quote from: GeneralGayness on April 26, 2007, 02:59:26 PM

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 02:56:04 PM

anarchists are no different from yourself.
they have jobs
go to college
eat daily.
play swim fear die
To only different apparently is they don't like oppresive controls.
duh.

and don't want to pay taxes
don't want to do jury duty
say that using state services are wrong even though they use them...

they may or may not pay taxes. a lot of nonanarchists no pay taxes.
actually, many do go to juries
and who said they use state services, which is not necessarily against some anarchist philosophies.

it's very hard to get away from using state services

Those who do not use state services are anarchists. Those who do are not Anarchists. END OF STORY.

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 03:06:58 PM

Quote from: GeneralGayness on April 26, 2007, 02:59:26 PM

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 02:56:04 PM

anarchists are no different from yourself.
they have jobs
go to college
eat daily.
play swim fear die
To only different apparently is they don't like oppresive controls.
duh.

and don't want to pay taxes
don't want to do jury duty
say that using state services are wrong even though they use them...

they may or may not pay taxes. a lot of nonanarchists no pay taxes.
actually, many do go to juries
and who said they use state services, which is not necessarily against some anarchist philosophies.

You stated that:

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 02:56:04 PM

anarchists are no different from yourself.
they have jobs
go to college
eat daily.
play swim fear die
To only different apparently is they don't like oppresive controls.
duh.

Which means your last post contradicts the above quote?

Anarchists as all human beings are not exactly like you. if that is what you mean. they all don't poop at the same time as you.

Quote from: Vauxhall the Vampire on April 26, 2007, 03:09:05 PM

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 03:06:58 PM

Quote from: GeneralGayness on April 26, 2007, 02:59:26 PM

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 02:56:04 PM

anarchists are no different from yourself.
they have jobs
go to college
eat daily.
play swim fear die
To only different apparently is they don't like oppresive controls.
duh.

and don't want to pay taxes
don't want to do jury duty
say that using state services are wrong even though they use them...

they may or may not pay taxes. a lot of nonanarchists no pay taxes.
actually, many do go to juries
and who said they use state services, which is not necessarily against some anarchist philosophies.

You stated that:

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 02:56:04 PM

anarchists are no different from yourself.
they have jobs
go to college
eat daily.
play swim fear die
To only different apparently is they don't like oppresive controls.
duh.

Which means your last post contradicts the above quote?

Anarchists as all human beings are not exactly like you. if that is what you mean. they all don't poop at the same time as you.

This further proves that you are an idiot and do not have an comprehension skills.
I would love to argue with someone about this, but not someone who has an IQ of 5.

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 03:10:02 PM

Quote from: Vauxhall the Vampire on April 26, 2007, 03:04:18 PM

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 02:56:04 PM

anarchists are no different from yourself.
they have jobs
go to college
eat daily.
play swim fear die
To only different apparently is they don't like oppresive controls.
duh.

Yes, that is because THEY ARE FORCED to participate in government. AKA: they pay taxes, they have a house, and if they don't have a house, they pay income taxes if they have a job. Therefore, making them hypocrites.
They don't like oppressive control, but they have to abide by it or else.
The only true anarchist would be the person who lives in the alley, doesn't have a job, and fends for himself. Working and going to school would make him not an anarchist.

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade

Just tell me government is so fucken great right now.

Lol, an anarchy would be so much better, right? Wrong.

1. You don't know who pays taxes and who doesn't.
2, having a house is not nonanarchist
3. it is nigh impossible to actaully not take part in a capitalist society when one lives in one. Does not mean they are not anarchists. IWW is an anarchist union.

I don't want to repeat what I just said, because it is correct.

You're a retard. And your grammar is terrible.

"You're a retard" not according to my doctor
"And your grammar is terrible" good thing i am not writing a book.
(your elitism doesn't impress me)

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 03:06:58 PM

Quote from: GeneralGayness on April 26, 2007, 02:59:26 PM

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 02:56:04 PM

anarchists are no different from yourself.
they have jobs
go to college
eat daily.
play swim fear die
To only different apparently is they don't like oppresive controls.
duh.

and don't want to pay taxes
don't want to do jury duty
say that using state services are wrong even though they use them...

they may or may not pay taxes. a lot of nonanarchists no pay taxes.
actually, many do go to juries
and who said they use state services, which is not necessarily against some anarchist philosophies.

it's very hard to get away from using state services

so what, just because an anarchist mother has to use welfare to support her kids because she could never get anywhere in life because she was born poor does not mean she is not an anarchist.
i fail to see your reasoning here

The only true anarchist would be the person who lives in the alley, doesn't have a job, and fends for himself.

Diogenes the Cynic.  My hero.  Of course, I'll not live up to what he did...

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 03:14:27 PM

Quote from: Vauxhall the Vampire on April 26, 2007, 03:09:05 PM

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 03:06:58 PM

Quote from: GeneralGayness on April 26, 2007, 02:59:26 PM

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 02:56:04 PM

anarchists are no different from yourself.
they have jobs
go to college
eat daily.
play swim fear die
To only different apparently is they don't like oppresive controls.
duh.

and don't want to pay taxes
don't want to do jury duty
say that using state services are wrong even though they use them...

they may or may not pay taxes. a lot of nonanarchists no pay taxes.
actually, many do go to juries
and who said they use state services, which is not necessarily against some anarchist philosophies.

You stated that:

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 02:56:04 PM

anarchists are no different from yourself.
they have jobs
go to college
eat daily.
play swim fear die
To only different apparently is they don't like oppresive controls.
duh.

Which means your last post contradicts the above quote?

Anarchists as all human beings are not exactly like you. if that is what you mean. they all don't poop at the same time as you.

This further proves that you are an idiot and do not have an comprehension skills.
I would love to argue with someone about this, but not someone who has an IQ of 5.

i love talking to people who know nothing of anarchy except what they learned in their 9th grade am. cult. class.

Quote from: Vauxhall the Vampire on April 26, 2007, 03:04:18 PM

The only true anarchist would be the person who lives in the alley, doesn't have a job, and fends for himself.

Diogenes the Cynic.  My hero.  Of course, I'll not live up to what he did...

Diogenes is my fav. nihilist. Onions...

it's very hard to get away from using state services

so what, just because an anarchist mother has to use welfare to support her kids because she could never get anywhere in life because she was born poor does not mean she is not an anarchist.
i fail to see your reasoning here
[/quote]

Well anarchists are supposed to reject the state, right?
By using welfare she is not rejected the state.
The fact that she is poor has nothing to do with it.

This person wants to have their cake and eat it, too. 

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 03:18:19 PM

it's very hard to get away from using state services

so what, just because an anarchist mother has to use welfare to support her kids because she could never get anywhere in life because she was born poor does not mean she is not an anarchist.
i fail to see your reasoning here

Well anarchists are supposed to reject the state, right?
By using welfare she is not rejected the state.
The fact that she is poor has nothing to do with it.
[/quote]
the fact she is poor has a lot to do with it.
if she has no where else to turn because capitalism has one pay for everything even when one is dying, then yes it has a lot to do with it. Food Not Bombs usually doesn't serve everyday.

This person wants to have their cake and eat it, too. 

Cakes alright.

Quote from: cadmium_blimp on April 26, 2007, 03:24:06 PM

This person wants to have their cake and eat it, too. 

Cakes alright.

Oh, sure, but you can't support the government and anarchy at the same time.  You should be a libertarian instead; I think it would fit better with your worldview.

What did that have to do with cake?

Quote from: Engy Baby on April 26, 2007, 03:22:28 PM

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 03:18:19 PM

it's very hard to get away from using state services

so what, just because an anarchist mother has to use welfare to support her kids because she could never get anywhere in life because she was born poor does not mean she is not an anarchist.
i fail to see your reasoning here

Quote

Well anarchists are supposed to reject the state, right?
By using welfare she is not rejected the state.
The fact that she is poor has nothing to do with it.

the fact she is poor has a lot to do with it.
if she has no where else to turn because capitalism has one pay for everything even when one is dying, then yes it has a lot to do with it. Food Not Bombs usually doesn't serve everyday.

Although I'll admit there are cases where someone born poor cannot better their condition by hard work, in most cases they can. Therefore unless she is one of the former cases, being poor has nothing to do with it.

What did that have to do with cake?

You can't have your cake and eat it, too.  I already said that.  You can't be an anarchist and accept state welfare money.  It goes against your principles and makes you a hypocrite.  Now, if that money all comes from a non-government charity, then you're okay.  How many people get that much assistance not from the government, though?

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 03:27:11 PM

What did that have to do with cake?

You can't have your cake and eat it, too.  I already said that.  You can't be an anarchist and accept state welfare money.  It goes against your principles and makes you a hypocrite.  Now, if that money all comes from a non-government charity, then you're okay.  How many people get that much assistance not from the government, though?

*agrees with clown boy*

Quote from: Vauxhall the Vampire on April 26, 2007, 03:15:57 PM

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 03:14:27 PM

Quote from: Vauxhall the Vampire on April 26, 2007, 03:09:05 PM

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 03:06:58 PM

Quote from: GeneralGayness on April 26, 2007, 02:59:26 PM

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 02:56:04 PM

anarchists are no different from yourself.
they have jobs
go to college
eat daily.
play swim fear die
To only different apparently is they don't like oppresive controls.
duh.

and don't want to pay taxes
don't want to do jury duty
say that using state services are wrong even though they use them...

they may or may not pay taxes. a lot of nonanarchists no pay taxes.
actually, many do go to juries
and who said they use state services, which is not necessarily against some anarchist philosophies.

You stated that:

Quote from: _MarquisDeSade on April 26, 2007, 02:56:04 PM

anarchists are no different from yourself.
they have jobs
go to college
eat daily.
play swim fear die
To only different apparently is they don't like oppresive controls.
duh.

Which means your last post contradicts the above quote?

Anarchists as all human beings are not exactly like you. if that is what you mean. they all don't poop at the same time as you.

This further proves that you are an idiot and do not have an comprehension skills.
I would love to argue with someone about this, but not someone who has an IQ of 5.

i love talking to people who know nothing of anarchy except what they learned in their 9th grade am. cult. class.

What is there to learn? ROFL.

If aN anarchist is able to get money from the government and use it in anarchic ways, that is still anarchist.

If aN anarchist is able to get money from the government and use it in anarchic ways, that is still anarchist.

No, that is a leech with mental illness. An anarchist wouldn't need currency from a government he or she does not recognize. That makes no literal sense. Thus, they would be not an anarchist, but an opportunist.