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« on: April 13, 2007, 01:11:13 AM »
The revolves around the sun. Don't believe me? Here's my proof. During different times of the year, different solar bodies can be seen in parts of the sky (example, Jupiter, Mars, other planets. The stars (including the sun) are always constant. You can always find the north star in the same place, just as you can alway tell which direction the sun will rise in (due to the Earth's rotation). If the Earth were stationary, then we would not notice the other solar bodies moving. More proof? The time of daylight extends and decreases throughout the year, as we move further away from the sun in our ellipse.   
Earth Science 101 for those of you who seemed to have failed out out high school.

Now, bring in a bit of technology. The function of a satellite is to send signals from one point to the next around the Earth's curve. Obviously, there is little need for them it the Earth was flat, you could just send the signal across the plains. If the all the governments in the world were really in on this "conspiracy", then they would not spend all of the money required to maintain, launch, or set-up said satellites. (All governments, whether you like it or not are trying to play the find the money game. They have been for years, and will probably never stop. If you ever want to figure something out with your government just ask "where is the money?" Find out who has it, and it will answer most of your questions about its current state. Example, The USA. I'll approach this in a moment.) Next we have radio towers. They must be set-up at proper intervals, even thought the signals are strong enough to extend the distance of those required intervals. This is because the signal is not under the effect of gravity and keeps traveling while the Earth curves.

Back to the government issues (and let me tell you there are a lot). For those of you who think that any government would gain ANYTHING from telling the Earth's inhabitants that the World is round, even when it isn't you have my pity. Keeping secrets on a scale that large costs a very large sum of money. Pictures and video are easy to capture. Planes and hot air balloons. Blimps. They all allow one to view the world how it really is. Payment of the so-called "Ice Wall" guards. The governments can't even agree on a single measurement system. Or time of day. They won't share territory or air space. How in all that is sacred could they keep something this huge a secret. The answer is they can't. They like to have their control and limits, but this issue would be too huge for any of them to keep a secret. Furthermore, at this point in the game, the first government to come out and say "Everybody was lying, the Earth is really flat," would have the upper hand. They would have power, and could convince everybody that they were forced into secrecy.

I have brought up before that seasons and 20 hour Alaska's daylight go against any possibility of a flat Earth, so I will not go into detail on them again.

What many are forgetting about are the private investors and independent groups that are self funded. It seems to me that if they had found something to the contrary, they'd have said something. You can't buy out everybody. Nobody has that much money.

What happened here is a website that started as a hoax. A few people got together and before all was said and done, they started a forum based off  this book that few have read. And then others flocked in. Some thinking it was a joke and that they would play along, Others because they believe everything that read on the Internet. And the site grew. And now, judging by the general flow of poor grammar; uneducated comments; and insults (seeing as one can hardly go through one thread without profanity, or some variation of "your mom" jokes that weren't funny back in school, and are just as lame now), it seems that the most of the users are immature with little education, or still in high school without a clue on how the real world works (no pun intended). Or maybe both. You may even have a couple of "burnouts" and "hippies" who forgot what they were fighting for, and forgot to move on.
The real world works on evidence and debate (and throwing insults is not debate, its immature arguing at best). If you can prove something, or have a higher power/group of either authority of trust that has proof, then your side wins. A book written in the late 1880's does not justify proof.  Going into space does. Pictures do, not because they are our own, but because they were taken by people deemed credible by the world's nation's and its people.
               

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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2007, 04:17:31 AM »
I read it. Now what?
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2007, 04:21:06 AM »
I didn't read it. Now what?
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2007, 04:40:40 AM »
When someone tries to command me I just ignore it. Like when people write one sentence/statement then write "DISCUSS"...screw you.

I also ignore postesses that are more than...2 paragraphs @ most.
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2007, 04:44:06 AM »
I'm going to write 3 paragraphs about how much I love you then
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2007, 04:53:00 AM »
BluPlague, I have to say that is probably the best written and most comprehensive summary of this whole issue. Good points on the government.

And you dickheads that didn't read, get off your asses and give it a go, it makes a lot of sense.

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(and throwing insults is not debate, its immature arguing at best)

Yeah sorry about that...but I felt it was necessary

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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2007, 04:56:23 AM »
but its got a lot of words and I haven't had much sleep
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2007, 04:58:57 AM »
Now I've read it I really wanna say "your mum". Happy now?
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2007, 05:02:05 AM »
Then you're just making excuses...drink some coffee and READ

Or are you a RE'er. Don't bother in that case.
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2007, 05:02:51 AM »
Yay!!! Well done
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2007, 05:03:13 AM »
I'm going to write 3 paragraphs about how much I love you then
Go 'head...I won't read it!
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I won't!
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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2007, 05:03:58 AM »
BluPlague, I have to say that is probably the best written and most comprehensive summary of this whole issue. Good points on the government.

And you dickheads that didn't read, get off your asses and give it a go, it makes a lot of sense.

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(and throwing insults is not debate, its immature arguing at best)

Yeah sorry about that...but I felt it was necessary


Excuse me, but I'm not a dickhead.


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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2007, 05:08:06 AM »
Good...I'm happy for you.

Guess that would explain why you couldn't read the post anyway
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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2007, 05:08:13 AM »
I'm going to write 3 paragraphs about how much I love you then
Go 'head...I won't read it!
*stomps feet*
I won't!
I won't!
I won't!

*is so gonna write it now*

I'm a penguin too, woo penguin club needs to be started!

And coffee is a good idea...
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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2007, 05:18:20 AM »
Ok...you guys go right ahead and start it.

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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2007, 05:20:52 AM »
Will do ;D To Everything Else we go!!!
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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2007, 05:26:57 AM »
BluPlague, I have to say that is probably the best written and most comprehensive summary of this whole issue. Good points on the government.

And you dickheads that didn't read, get off your asses and give it a go, it makes a lot of sense.

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Yeah sorry about that...but I felt it was necessary



I said I read it. My point was, for you thick skulls (don't get them wet!), it's been said more times than I have had sex in my life. That is profoundly "asinine", "presumptuous" and "mindless".

Evolve or die.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2007, 05:32:21 AM »
Go to bed or talk to me
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« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2007, 10:48:44 AM »
Or both. Simultaneously.
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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2007, 10:50:20 AM »
Like magic
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« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2007, 05:39:56 PM »
I stopped once I got to this part:

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This is because the signal is not under the effect of gravity and keeps traveling while the Earth curves.


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« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2007, 05:40:57 PM »
Quitter
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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2007, 06:24:20 PM »
So let me get this straight. You won't read anything more than two paragraphs, regardless of how much proof the content holds. Based on that statement, you are no longer allowed to quote or base any of your arguments on any of the sources that have been cited to those who believe in a flat Earth, as they are all well over 2 paragraphs. In fact, "The Earth: Not a Globe," written in 1881, is over 400 pages of size 12 font. Half of the so called "experiments" in it do not work, but were not proven because nobody had the time or resources to do so in the time period that they were written.
USA and Russian were at each others throats during the "Great Space Race". If at any point either on the countries, or any other for that matter, had said to the rest of the world, "Hey the world is flat, your egg-head government is lying to you." They would've been bathed in power and trust.
Your all basing your facts, whether you realize it or not, off a guy who died almost a hundred years before the first person was launched into space. Who's work wasn't published until more that 5 years after his death. Going into space has proven the Earth is round many times. Especially if we use the cracked gravity explanation that you give. Planes and rockets wouldn't be able to fly because the ground would, by some mystical force empowered by you own theory that the Earth is constantly moving upward, eventually get hit by the ground as it moved "up".
NASA is not the head of the conspiracy. As a matter of fact, at the time the book was written, NASA didn't even exist. Anybody who want to know what NASA does, go to Kennedy Space Center and find out. It is asinine to say that NASA is the leader in the conspiracy because NASA (National Aeronautics and Space Administration) is a National organization funded by the United States Government. It didn't begin until after Russia launched Sputnik in 1957. If anybody had the makings of a secret conspiracy it was Russia.
Furthermore, whether you believe that we've been to the moon or not, NASA launched Apollo missions well in to the early 1970's. Over 100 people have been sent into space from NASA alone. There are almost 50 other National Space Agencies worldwide, each independent of the others. They won't even share newfound information without having all the legal rights put into their name on it. And even then they have trouble with it.
As far as Antarctica, I guess we'll all know soon enough this July 2007 in the "Live Earth" concert set to take place on every continent of the Earth. But the arguments of the Ice wall is nothing but a joke. Don't try to feed me crap about how it can work, because anybody with a job and a dollar to their name will tell you that it cannot. Cashiers get paid as low as $6 an hour. You know what? They hate it. There is hardly enough money that can be offered to them to make them want to do it. And all they have to do is smile and ring up customers products. Some of the highest paid jobs in the world wouldn't go sit on a giant iceberg in the middle of nowhere for the rest of their lives. For a couple of different reasons.
First of all, there isn't any company. No friends, family, or anybody except the other "Ice Wall guards". And nobody wants to hang out with the people they work with for more than 8 hours a day, let alone the rest of their lives.
Second, suppose you can offer them up enough money to sit on a block of ice, guarding this so called "secret". Where are they going to spend it? Penguin casinos? Strip clubs? Penguin strip clubs? They live in Antarctica. There aren't any General Stores. The cable guys don't come out that far, and the weather is to crappy for satellite dishes. The television signal doesn't reach that because the Earth is round and there aren't any towers to broadcast the signal. So they don't get local programming either. So there forced to play monopoly all day, except they can't find the dice, and there isn't a Games Workshop or a Wizards of the Coast for miles. And the last KB toys just went out of business because Santa lives at the North Pole, not the South.
So, we have no entertainment and worthless money. What else? Oh yeah, how about some food? The only wild life in Antarctica is penguin, seal, and algae. Why?
Reason number Four: It's fucking cold. The climate never reaches above 40 degrees, and  gets as low as -130. If there are any "Ice Wall guards" they're all trying to snap there frozen piss free so they can walk away. With temperatures that low, your looking at almost instantaneously freezing yourself to the ground with your own urine anytime you take a leak.
Then there's the hypothermia, sunburn, frostbite and a whole mess of other temperature related messes. Not to mention the location of the nearest hospital. You think ambulance fees are high? Better hope your insurance covers helicopters. And with the price of gas today, I doubt it.
So, in your FE you have all sorts of "Ice Wall" guards frozen to the ground by their own piss and covered in frostbite. They're hungry, cold, thirsty, tired, bored and damn near dead. You want to go see the edge of you world? Just walk past. There is nothing there but the other half of the globe.                   

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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2007, 06:26:31 PM »
You should space out your paragraphs more. And the person who said she don't read past 2 paragraphs isn't an FE'er anyway.
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« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2007, 06:37:38 PM »
So let me get this straight. You won't read anything more than two paragraphs, regardless of how much proof the content holds. Based on that statement, you are no longer allowed to quote or base any of your arguments on any of the sources that have been cited to those who believe in a flat Earth, as they are all well over 2 paragraphs. In fact, "The Earth: Not a Globe," written in 1881, is over 400 pages of size 12 font. Half of the so called "experiments" in it do not work, but were not proven because nobody had the time or resources to do so in the time period that they were written.
USA and Russian were at each others throats during the "Great Space Race". If at any point either on the countries, or any other for that matter, had said to the rest of the world, "Hey the world is flat, your egg-head government is lying to you." They would've been bathed in power and trust.
Your all basing your facts, whether you realize it or not, off a guy who died almost a hundred years before the first person was launched into space. Who's work wasn't published until more that 5 years after his death. Going into space has proven the Earth is round many times. Especially if we use the cracked gravity explanation that you give. Planes and rockets wouldn't be able to fly because the ground would, by some mystical force empowered by you own theory that the Earth is constantly moving upward, eventually get hit by the ground as it moved "up".
NASA is not the head of the conspiracy. As a matter of fact, at the time the book was written, NASA didn't even exist. Anybody who want to know what NASA does, go to Kennedy Space Center and find out. It is asinine to say that NASA is the leader in the conspiracy because NASA (National Aeronautics and Space Administration) is a National organization funded by the United States Government. It didn't begin until after Russia launched Sputnik in 1957. If anybody had the makings of a secret conspiracy it was Russia.
Furthermore, whether you believe that we've been to the moon or not, NASA launched Apollo missions well in to the early 1970's. Over 100 people have been sent into space from NASA alone. There are almost 50 other National Space Agencies worldwide, each independent of the others. They won't even share newfound information without having all the legal rights put into their name on it. And even then they have trouble with it.
As far as Antarctica, I guess we'll all know soon enough this July 2007 in the "Live Earth" concert set to take place on every continent of the Earth. But the arguments of the Ice wall is nothing but a joke. Don't try to feed me crap about how it can work, because anybody with a job and a dollar to their name will tell you that it cannot. Cashiers get paid as low as $6 an hour. You know what? They hate it. There is hardly enough money that can be offered to them to make them want to do it. And all they have to do is smile and ring up customers products. Some of the highest paid jobs in the world wouldn't go sit on a giant iceberg in the middle of nowhere for the rest of their lives. For a couple of different reasons.
First of all, there isn't any company. No friends, family, or anybody except the other "Ice Wall guards". And nobody wants to hang out with the people they work with for more than 8 hours a day, let alone the rest of their lives.
Second, suppose you can offer them up enough money to sit on a block of ice, guarding this so called "secret". Where are they going to spend it? Penguin casinos? Strip clubs? Penguin strip clubs? They live in Antarctica. There aren't any General Stores. The cable guys don't come out that far, and the weather is to crappy for satellite dishes. The television signal doesn't reach that because the Earth is round and there aren't any towers to broadcast the signal. So they don't get local programming either. So there forced to play monopoly all day, except they can't find the dice, and there isn't a Games Workshop or a Wizards of the Coast for miles. And the last KB toys just went out of business because Santa lives at the North Pole, not the South.
So, we have no entertainment and worthless money. What else? Oh yeah, how about some food? The only wild life in Antarctica is penguin, seal, and algae. Why?
Reason number Four: It's fucking cold. The climate never reaches above 40 degrees, and  gets as low as -130. If there are any "Ice Wall guards" they're all trying to snap there frozen piss free so they can walk away. With temperatures that low, your looking at almost instantaneously freezing yourself to the ground with your own urine anytime you take a leak.
Then there's the hypothermia, sunburn, frostbite and a whole mess of other temperature related messes. Not to mention the location of the nearest hospital. You think ambulance fees are high? Better hope your insurance covers helicopters. And with the price of gas today, I doubt it.
So, in your FE you have all sorts of "Ice Wall" guards frozen to the ground by their own piss and covered in frostbite. They're hungry, cold, thirsty, tired, bored and damn near dead. You want to go see the edge of you world? Just walk past. There is nothing there but the other half of the globe.                   

When are you people going to get it into your fucking heads that this is a Parody Site like Landover Baptist Church? WAKE UP AND SMELL THE RIDICULE.  ::)
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2007, 06:45:58 PM »
When are you people going to get it into your fucking heads that this is a Parody Site like Landover Baptist Church? WAKE UP AND SMELL THE RIDICULE.  ::)
How dare you, I have never parodied anything in my life!

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« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2007, 06:46:31 PM »
 ;D
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2007, 06:47:18 PM »
When are you people going to get it into your fucking heads that this is a Parody Site like Landover Baptist Church? WAKE UP AND SMELL THE RIDICULE.  ::)
How dare you, I have never parodied anything in my life!

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Yeah my friend thought you were serious...
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« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2007, 06:51:31 PM »
Yeah my friend thought you were serious...
Half of the forum thought I was serious. Thats what made the topic so much fun. ;D

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« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2007, 06:52:45 PM »
Yeah its great when people think you're being serious. It took me a long time to explain to her you weren't actually being serious.
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