Making FE Panic

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There is still going to be curvature apparent on a Flat Earth from high up.  Think about it.

Toothpaste...you are an oxymoron.

That is almost the most contradictory statement I've ever had the pleasure of reading.

Basically...you've won. That argument - it frankly astounds the intellect. To think...I never thought that a flat earth would look curvy from high up. You've shown me the light.

You obviously don't understand the geometry of the flat Earth.  It's still round, just not spherical.  If you go high enough, you are going to see curvature. 

Quote from: akira on April 14, 2007, 12:26:13 AM

Yeah sure, and you will also see the spherical Earth rotating perfectly like you've seen in the videos, oh, does this apply for the FE model aswell? No? Yes?. Uh huh..sure, optical illusion..right.. How about you go to space and prove us wrong? Dimwit.

I'm sure you're talking about the faked NASA videos.  Go to space and prove us wrong. 

Unless you haven't noticed, the reason why I even created this thread was to prove we're right. Maybe if you're bothered to look it up again from the start, you will see where you're mistaken at. (Dimwit x 2)

No, I didn't notice.  Simply because you intended to prove something doesn't mean you succeeded. 

Don't end your sentence with a preposition. 

You obviously don't understand the geometry of the flat Earth.  It's still round, just not spherical.  If you go high enough, you are going to see curvature.

No. I obviously don't understand the geometry of the flat Earth. Do you mean:

a) that the north pole part is at a higher altitude than the ice-wall part? (which is a little ridiculous becuase then all the water would have run down to the ice-wall)

OR

b) that the Earth is like one huge petri dish, round in the sense that it is a circle.

If you mean b), which I assume you do becuase a) is rather stupid, then I have a little problem.

The same point at which the rounded shape became apparent would be the same time you could see the edge, and hence the ice-wall, and hence all the continents squashed onto a huge disk. When we are in a plane, we most certainly cannot see this.

So no...if you are in a plane there is no way FE can show that the earth is rounded, for either a) or b).

According to Tom, Snell's law can account for it, but...then again it doesn't really account for anything. People have all ready posted why that's silly I'm not going to repeat it. 

Yes, 'b'. 

You can only "see" where there is light shining, so you can't see the whole Earth.  Also, I think you might agree that we can't see appreciably far due to atmospheric distortion.  Because this limit very basically creates a sphere of visibility below the observer, the intersection of this sphere with the flat surface creates a curved horizon. 

Ah...so the "roundness" you claim we see in an aeroplane is actually the boundary of the light/dark zones of the earth???

I doubt airplanes get high enough to see that.  The second limit in my last post applies better to the case of airplanes.   

Because this limit very basically creates a sphere of visibility below the observer, the intersection of this sphere with the flat surface creates a curved horizon.

This sphere of visibility is hampered by atmospheric distortion right? And the curvature we see is the sphere of visibility.

That doesn't explain why, if you look out the front of the cockpit of the aeroplane you can still see the curvature. It should be a flat, uniform horizon out the front, that slowly fades. But it's not - it's curved.

Furthermore,
1. The areas that we cannot see due to atmospheric hazing should be darker, not light blue sky.
2. If it even is atmospheric hazing, there shouldn't be a very distinct border like we see - it should GRADUALLY become blurred and then invisible. Atmospheric hazing doesn't just "kick in" at a certain point and make it opaque, it's very gradual.

Let's not get too attached to the phrase "sphere of visibility."  I don't want some noob posting a thread sometime later saying "lolz, wtf iz the spear of invincibility?  Iv nevr herd of that boosheet!  Erf iz RUND ftw!!" 

We don't 'see' this sphere of visibility.  Yes, it is hampered by the atmospheric distortion; that is what the size of the "sphere" depends on. 

That doesn't explain why, if you look out the front of the cockpit of the aeroplane you can still see the curvature. It should be a flat, uniform horizon out the front, that slowly fades. But it's not - it's curved.

This curvature is also apparent on a flat Earth, though. 

The differences are going to be negligible at airplane altitudes between this spherical "cap" surface:


And this flat circular surface:

Furthermore,
1. The areas that we cannot see due to atmospheric hazing should be darker, not light blue sky.
2. If it even is atmospheric hazing, there shouldn't be a very distinct border like we see - it should GRADUALLY become blurred and then invisible. Atmospheric hazing doesn't just "kick in" at a certain point and make it opaque, it's very gradual.

1.  Why should they be darker?  If we can't see due to haze, then we will only see the haze.  We can't see beyond the haze because the haze is an opaque white-blue color. 
2.  I agree.  But only on an ideally spherical Earth at very low altitudes.  I have never seen the horizon be so distinct in an airplane. 

All right, I'm too tired to argue the other points - but I have to have a go at:

If it even is atmospheric hazing, there shouldn't be a very distinct border like we see - it should GRADUALLY become blurred and then invisible. Atmospheric hazing doesn't just "kick in" at a certain point and make it opaque, it's very gradual.

I agree.  But only on an ideally spherical Earth at very low altitudes.  I have never seen the horizon be so distinct in an airplane.

You have never seen the horizon to be distinct? How many times have you been in an aeroplane. It's extremely sharp. I've flown over India a few times - which is good becuase it is a flat country - the edge is extremely defined.

Nope.  I have been over many parts of The States, and over the Atlantic twice.  I couldn't see a damn thing coming in to london.  In the states the ground details slowly faded to white, then to blue above the plane for the most part.  Other times there were clouds obscuring the view.