Okay...

Predictable, you can't back up your statements.

Where have I seen this before? Oh wait.

Everything I state is backed by physics.  Just because you people assume that what is said by an 'FE'er' must be wrong simply due to the 'fact' that an FE'er said it, does not excuse you from doing a little research on your own.

Everything I state is backed by physics.  Just because you people assume that what is said by an 'FE'er' must be wrong simply due to the 'fact' that an FE'er said it, does not excuse you from doing a little research on your own.

All I've clearly seen is you FE'er state things like, "this is right, and oh, this one is wrong". Then with your cool motto "Read the FAQ".

I'd love to see some physics behind this.

Everything I state is backed by physics.  Just because you people assume that what is said by an 'FE'er' must be wrong simply due to the 'fact' that an FE'er said it, does not excuse you from doing a little research on your own.

Not what I meant. Again, lumping, and generalizing as an emotional response to feeling threatened. 'You people" is a failure in cognizant response. I am not "you people". I am Midnight.

Backed up by "physics" doesn't really tell anyone a whole hell of a lot more than, say, you can spout out a bunch of "smart" sounding titles, labels, formulae, and etc.

When you actually stop being an obtuse person, and answering questions in the from of answers, rather than ad  hominem questions designed to infuriate the questioner to the point of giving up, you may find fewer "you people" giving you such a hard time.

You say you are an engineer. I for one, believe that. However, your treatment to questions shows your utter lack of conviction in your stance.

I can speak for myself, thank you kindly.

That is part of it.

The other part of it is, none of you, on either side, will give ground, even in a micron, to gain some understanding.

Parrot #1: It is!
Parrot #2: Why?
Parrot #1: Because this collection of links shows that it is! Read the FAQ!
Parrot #2: That's it?
Parrot #1: MORON!
Parrot #3: FGDSDSSDSSD

I see.  And it was so different a whole month and a half ago, when you originally joined?

I resubmit: the whole repertoire used to entertain you.  Now you're getting bored with it.  And frankly, I don't blame you.  It's all a pretty trivial pursuit, one way or another; even if anybody believed it (and as I said, I suspect some, a very small number, do), neither side would be able to change the other's opinion.  I know narcberry doesn't believe in a flat earth.  I'm not so sure about Tom Bishop, and I'd just as easily flip a coin on ol' Daniel.  This is either a brilliant hoax or completely serious, at least for some people.  Either way, it's pretty amusing.  Although I can see it getting old.

Quote from: TheEngineer on April 09, 2007, 11:42:06 PM

Everything I state is backed by physics.  Just because you people assume that what is said by an 'FE'er' must be wrong simply due to the 'fact' that an FE'er said it, does not excuse you from doing a little research on your own.

All I've clearly seen is you FE'er state things like, "this is right, and oh, this one is wrong". Then with your cool motto "Read the FAQ".

I'd love to see some physics behind this.

Take a look at General Relativity for some physics behind what we've been talking about.

Backed up by "physics" doesn't really tell anyone a whole hell of a lot more than, say, you can spout out a bunch of "smart" sounding titles, labels, formulae, and etc.

Exactly.  You people can't do research.  You people just assume you know what you are talking about, but you have no idea what it is you are arguing.

Take the gravity discussion.  If any of you people bothered to read up on the subject, you people would see that gravity is a pseudo force, I'm not making it up, and this chapter could be closed.  But I suppose that is too much to ask of you people.

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Quote from: TheEngineer on April 09, 2007, 11:42:06 PM

Everything I state is backed by physics.  Just because you people assume that what is said by an 'FE'er' must be wrong simply due to the 'fact' that an FE'er said it, does not excuse you from doing a little research on your own.

All I've clearly seen is you FE'er state things like, "this is right, and oh, this one is wrong". Then with your cool motto "Read the FAQ".

I'd love to see some physics behind this.

Take a look at General Relativity for some physics behind what we've been talking about.

It doesn't prove that the Earth is flat. And if you are going to talk about Acceleration and Gravity in particular of General Relativity, don't bother, I already know.

It doesn't prove that the Earth is flat.

I don't remember stating that it did.

And if you are going to talk about Acceleration and Gravity in particular of General Relativity, don't bother, I already know.

Obviously not, as you think gravity is a real force. 

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It doesn't prove that the Earth is flat.

I don't remember stating that it did.

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And if you are going to talk about Acceleration and Gravity in particular of General Relativity, don't bother, I already know.

Obviously not, as you think gravity is a real force. 

Can you read my mind? When have I thought of gravity as a real force?

Can you read my mind? When have I thought of gravity as a real force?

Gravity can also be a conservative force.

Oh sure gravity exists according to them, but it's a pseudo force (they say).  Roll Eyes

Although you must realize, if there's no such thing as gravity, then "anti-gravity" wouldn't exist. Gravity exists, hence anti-gravity does.

You people would not accept gravity. Who cares where it comes from, it exists, general fact.

Just like your example of acceleration, drop a pen and see if it hits the ground. If it does, there you go, that's gravity

Gravity is created by mass. The more mass something has, the more gravity it generates.

Planetary orbits are proof of gravity.

Need I go on?

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Can you read my mind? When have I thought of gravity as a real force?

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Gravity can also be a conservative force.

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Oh sure gravity exists according to them, but it's a pseudo force (they say).  Roll Eyes

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Although you must realize, if there's no such thing as gravity, then "anti-gravity" wouldn't exist. Gravity exists, hence anti-gravity does.

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You people would not accept gravity. Who cares where it comes from, it exists, general fact.

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Just like your example of acceleration, drop a pen and see if it hits the ground. If it does, there you go, that's gravity

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Gravity is created by mass. The more mass something has, the more gravity it generates.

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Planetary orbits are proof of gravity.

Need I go on?

So you're saying gravity cannot be described as a conservative force and also a pseudo-force? Interesting..

I'm saying gravity is not a force.

I'm saying gravity is not a force.

This can go on forever if one of us don't put an end to it. This also doesn't relate to Earth as being flat or spherical. There are other various questions that RE'ers demand replies. Why is no one putting effort into it? Rather, you people just love to talk about the insignificant subjects. You do realize this has gone no where, your knowledge remains the same, so does mine, regarding Acceleration and Gravity.

Quote from: chih on April 09, 2007, 10:47:37 PM

Agreed. Explain to me how a small object could generate a magnetic field of earth's intensity. The burden of proof is on you. Also, what is the thickness of earth in FE theory? It would help to know, if I need to break out formulae, the diameter, curcumference, depth, and velocity (I already know about that part).

How small do you think the earth's core is?

Well, I could google or wiki it, but I'm sure you'd throw out that conspratorial knowledge, so I'll play devil's advocate...

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Agreed. But over the majority of ROUND EARTH, it is even. With such a small magnetic object in FE, so close to the surface, the magnetic field would be an even distribution from weakest to strongest. And in FE theory, it would be at it's weakest at the 'south pole', where it is, in the real world, is at it's strongest.

The magnetic field is not uniform over the majority of the earth.  Why is the core small and close to the surface?

Because the earth is flat, that's why. You never answered my question as to the depth of the earth (1km? 10km? 100km?). That answer would help me to more fully understand a way to possibly explain this stuff...

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Agreed. But I'm not talking about magnetic direction. I'm talking about magnetic DENSITY.

So what are you trying to say about it?

I said everything I needed to say about it. If you don't understand what I was talking about, where did you get your engineering degree? I'm the rookie here.

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So what happens? If you have enough momentum, you'd fly right off the edge of the disk! Explain to me why I'm wrong.

Did I say you were wrong?  'Cause I distinctly remember saying you would fly off the edge.  I said you can't circumnavigate the earth by going south in either model.

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so if someone crossed Antarctica by any means, that would prove FE theory false... I'm going to find a link sometime...

Awaiting your most reasoned response

EDIT: Actually, I am going to put forth my own theory. The earth is shaped like a Mobius Strip, that's why you can travel all the way around the earth!

Mobius Strip Earth For the Win!!!

*cough*BUMP*cough*

TheE? anyone? lol

You're pathetic TheEng. You beat around the bush, don't answer my LOGICAL statements, and nobody will reply to a well reasoned argument... pfft.

I just flipped Flat Earth theory like a rusty quarter, and I haven't even got started yet. I thought you guys really believed this stuff! Where's the fire and brimstone?? Where's the reasoned proof for your theory? I could blow holes in it all day long. In fact, I've already started my new campaign:

"No breeding allowed on Flat Earth"

PWNED

He's taking his time thinking of the most optimum way to dodge your post.

He's taking his time thinking of the most optimum way to dodge your post.

You should be a moderator, to balance things out in here. It is only fair. I stand by this.

He's taking his time thinking of the most optimum way to dodge your post.

He cannot dodge my gatling gun of logic. I will come at this from so many directions, that in the end, I may build them a theory that DOES work, just to kick them around longer, lol.

You're pathetic TheEng.

Ouch, my ad hominem! 

Oh noes!  I didn't provide an RE'er with an answer before the "FE'er answer or else I will take this as a victory" timer ran out.  Damn. 

I am sorry I can't be available to answer every question posed by every RE'er 24 hours a day, I do have other things to do.

You should see what I'm doing right now, it's in my sig

Because the earth is flat, that's why. You never answered my question as to the depth of the earth (1km? 10km? 100km?). That answer would help me to more fully understand a way to possibly explain this stuff...

The earth is flat, therefore, it must be thin?  Think more like a cylinder. A thick cylinder.

I said everything I needed to say about it.

You didn't say anything about it.

where did you get your engineering degree? I'm the rookie here.

ASU

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so if someone crossed Antarctica by any means, that would prove FE theory false... I'm going to find a link sometime...

But they would need some way of knowing which direction they are going.

EDIT: Actually, I am going to put forth my own theory. The earth is shaped like a Mobius Strip, that's why you can travel all the way around the earth!

Mobius Strip Earth For the Win!!!

WOW.  That is awesome!


No, wait, the other thing: Stupid. 

Stupid and unoriginal.

Relax, before the Ice Wall protector eats you in your sleep.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=12390.0

Quote from: chih on April 10, 2007, 05:25:19 AM

Because the earth is flat, that's why. You never answered my question as to the depth of the earth (1km? 10km? 100km?). That answer would help me to more fully understand a way to possibly explain this stuff...

The earth is flat, therefore, it must be thin?  Think more like a cylinder. A thick cylinder.

I was only going by the picture in the header of the site, I assumed it represented, in theory, a semi-accurate depiction of your theories here. I guess I was wrong, allow me to apologize.
So, TheEnginner, depth? km or mi will do, doesn't matter...

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I said everything I needed to say about it.

You didn't say anything about it.

You aren't saying much about anything

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where did you get your engineering degree? I'm the rookie here.

ASU

I heard they celebrate conspiracy day there, are you working for the government??!?

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so if someone crossed Antarctica by any means, that would prove FE theory false... I'm going to find a link sometime...

But they would need some way of knowing which direction they are going.

Straight. that's the direction. Straight across, they can position themselves with major landforms at first. Or my preference, GPS, though I know you'd throw that out. How about a sextant? crystal clear polar sky, but I'm not sure how the stars move in FE theory, yet, I'll leave that alone for now.

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EDIT: Actually, I am going to put forth my own theory. The earth is shaped like a Mobius Strip, that's why you can travel all the way around the earth!

Mobius Strip Earth For the Win!!!

WOW.  That is awesome!


No, wait, the other thing: Stupid. 

Stupid and unoriginal.

Stupid and unoriginal? What about offensive? I was going for the trifecta!

I offer you a deal, TheEng.

Pick one topic relating to FE theory. Supply me with all public-access reading materials (within reason), and I will be glad to skim it for the info I need. After all, I'm in a battle of wits with a man who has no arms. I don't need to study too hard. And I will crush you.

And before you and I forget again, depth plz!

And I will crush you.

Overconfidence.  My least favorite RE trait.  As for the reading material, it's all at your fingertips right here on this very site.  We've even gone so far as to provide you with this service where you put in topics that interest you and the site will bring up posts about the subject.  I suggest you use it.

Oh, are you referring to the search button you blithely refer all noobs to?

I guess you didn't understand my intentions...
Deth. To. This. Site.

You will know me by the trails of battered url's, by the bruised egos of the blind and pompous. And you shall see, soon enough, that the earth is truly a mobuis strip. Theory in progress. This has been fun, but I actually have some pressing work to do (call me here often a hobby, lol)

Chih signing off.

engineer: u never answered the Q about how thick the earth is.

He assumes it's either hundreds of miles, or thousands of miles down thick. Einstein would've made the calculation if that was true.

Lol, I guess he didn't know this before...