2 Questions to Flat-Earthers

Before I start, I disapprove of those who come here merely to bash and insult you. Though the personal experiences of countless people prove without a shadow of doubt that your "theories" are wrong, insults are hardly constructive.

Now. I've got two questions.

First: If there really is a huge wall of ice around the Earth, how come no-one has ever seen it? How come no-one has ever been to take a look, take a few photos, film it, prove its existence? Also, how did you come to the hypothesis of its existence in the first place?

Second, do you deny the existence of Antarctica? If so, what do you make of the photos of it, and the fact that people fly over it on tourist trips... and also that there are people living there now?

conspiricy theories.. all of the,
thats what the gov't wants us to think for Bush's world domination

Problem.... Bush wasn't around several hundred years ago when they discovered Antarctica.  Also no one for THOUSANDS of years has found the "ice wall"

Still waiting for a reply to my questions from Flat-Earthers.

And that was me again of course, sorry.

Still waiting for an answer from Flat-Earthers, who, I see, are posting in the forum but cautiously evading this thread.

BUMP. Still waiting for an answer.

From what I can tell, the only real "flat-earther" is the Admin, Daniel. From his recent posts, he only logs on every 2 to 5 days. So if you are expecting an answer from him, you'll have to wait some time. He also lives in a time zone opposite to many of us; that could cause some delay also.

Since he lives on a flat-earth the time zones just keep going on and on, who knows when he'll be able to answer you.  :lol:

From what I can tell, the only real "flat-earther" is the Admin, Daniel. From his recent posts, he only logs on every 2 to 5 days. So if you are expecting an answer from him, you'll have to wait some time. He also lives in a time zone opposite to many of us; that could cause some delay also.

Daniel lives in the UK, doesn't he? If so, he's only a one-hour time difference away from me.

And it's now been 7 days. Still waiting for an answer.

Lol I dont think he is a flat-earther. HE have just made this site to see how much furore it would make

But of course the Earth is flat, but Daniel deletes all posts that would prove it....

Before I start, I disapprove of those who come here merely to bash and insult you. Though the personal experiences of countless people prove without a shadow of doubt that your "theories" are wrong, insults are hardly constructive.

Thanks for the kind words.  I do appreciate civil discussion regardless of whether or not someone agrees with me.  

Now. I've got two questions.

First: If there really is a huge wall of ice around the Earth, how come no-one has ever seen it? How come no-one has ever been to take a look, take a few photos, film it, prove its existence? Also, how did you come to the hypothesis of its existence in the first place?

I'll answer the last part first.  Assuming the apparent downward force exerted on matter ("gravity", if you will) works the same near the edges of the earth as it does at the inner part, some sort of raised barrier around the edge is a necessity.  As you can imagine, without such a barrier, the ocean's water would simply fall over the side.  

As for never seeing this outer barrier.. well, I believe people have.  I believe the outer barrier is what people generally think of as Antarctica.  But instead of a solid circle of ice/land, it's a ring running around the circumference of the earth.  

Imagine that you're looking at a globe from above.  As you look downward at it, you see the North Pole in the center.  If you continued straight through this sphere, you'd end up at Antartica, right?  Now imagine that you poke a little hole in the very center of Antarctica and start stretching it outward in all directions evenly, sort of like turning it inside-out.  So the single point which used to be the very center of Antarctica now makes up the entire outside edge of the circular earth.  And what used to be the outside edge of Antarctica is now the inner edge of this circumferential barrier.

See the map below for a basic idea of what I'm talking about.  Sorry about the poor quality.  It's something I borrowed from one of the old FES newsletters.  I haven't gotten around to doing my own diagrams yet (but I will soon!).  The outer region labeled "Southern Ice" represents this ring-shaped Antarctica.

I'll answer the last part first.  Assuming the apparent downward force exerted on matter ("gravity", if you will) works the same near the edges of the earth as it does at the inner part, some sort of raised barrier around the edge is a necessity.  As you can imagine, without such a barrier, the ocean's water would simply fall over the side.  

If this were the case, you can't have satellites orbiting the earth.  Heck you'd have to have a bizarre situation for a flat earth to have satellites in the first place, but if you are saying that gravity "works the same near the edges as it does at the inner part" then how exactly do we have orbiting satellites?  Also, just for the record, how did we get satellites into orbit in the FIRST place if you think space travel is a hoax.  Or are you denying that we even have satellites, and that telecommunications, satellites imagery, cell phones, and so on are all also elaborate hoaxes?

Imagine that you're looking at a globe from above.  As you look downward at it, you see the North Pole in the center.  If you continued straight through this sphere, you'd end up at Antartica, right?  Now imagine that you poke a little hole in the very center of Antarctica and start stretching it outward in all directions evenly, sort of like turning it inside-out.  So the single point which used to be the very center of Antarctica now makes up the entire outside edge of the circular earth.  And what used to be the outside edge of Antarctica is now the inner edge of this circumferential barrier.

Um - so how exactly is it that the center of the earth is ice, and the outer ring is ice, but all the other stuff isn't?  You realize that makes no sense without some really bizarre explanation (that I truly hope you provide).  Do you also realize how easy the poles are to explain given a spherical earth?

This is just another example of how flat-earth raises countless questions that are easily explained with a spherical earth.

I'll answer the last part first.  Assuming the apparent downward force exerted on matter ("gravity", if you will) works the same near the edges of the earth as it does at the inner part, some sort of raised barrier around the edge is a necessity.  As you can imagine, without such a barrier, the ocean's water would simply fall over the side.  

Well, yes, but that doesn't constitute proof. Sorry to say this, but you seem to me to be working back-to-front. You're starting from the hypothesis of a flat Earth, and then deriving from it the necessity of a wall of ice. But that's not proof that the wall exists, if we question the basic premise of a flat Earth. Nor is it in any way proof of a flat Earth.

As for Antartica, the main problem with your theory is that there are people living there now, scientists from a variety of nations.

None of your hypotheses are backed by any evidence. Which is why I have to question what your theory actually relies on in the first place.

It's interesting to hear about a completely different world view, though, even if to me it doesn't make sense.

Ack, sorry, that was me... Maybe I should register, instead of forgetting to type in my identity every time.

To be honest Daniel, your theory sounds like the mind tracking of a three year old's fantasy where Captain Scarlet and sanity does exist...!

    Daniel, what I would like to ask you with regards to your beliefs is - based on and in reinforcment to the way you perceive the world, what is the Moon and how does it relate to the Earth? For example, I and 99.99% of other people in this world know it to be a sphere of rock with a density much like the Earth. The Earth and the Moon orbit around a common centre of gravity located very close to the centre of the Earth, and it is gravity (the force which provides a physical attraction between any objects with mass, in this case the Earth and the Moon) which prevents us from flying off into outer space, gravity from the Sun.

    So I am interested, if the Earth is flat, where do the SUN, MOON, PLANETS and STARS come into the equation? If you look through a telescope you will see that every body with a great enough mass (certainly if its mass is greater than that of the Earth) is spherical due to its creation through gravity. This is a very strong reinforcment of the currently accepted theories about the Earth's structure.

    Please do reply, I'd be VERY interested to hear your response,

    Cheers, Jack.

what about the people who have flown around the earth which is documented

if you even attempt to prove that the earth is not round then you are a moron and you should die

what about the people who have flown around the earth which is documented

if you even attempt to prove that the earth is not round then you are a moron and you should die

They just said that they flew around the earth.  They may well have been mistaken.  Take Amelia - mshe flew off the disk...

Don't you guys get it yet?  All the evidence for a round earth is either wrong, lies, or a conspiracy.  Don't worry about the fact that there's mountains of evidence, or that there's thousands if not millions involved.  It makes SO MUCH MORE SENSE to basically call everyone wrong for no reason.  Cmon guys use your heads!

Where did Amelia go when she flew off the disk?  Surely not to space, because that doesn't exist right?  And how could she even fly off the disk in the first place, she would have crashed into the gigantic wall of ice that none of us have ever seen.   :lol:

BUMP