Nuclear Power Exaggerated

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #300 on: October 14, 2007, 05:14:44 PM »
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I base my opinions on observed fact. Observed by countless scientists again and again at independent laboratories all across the world. You base your opinion on the belief of one chemist from a time before electron microscopes, and cling to that belief fanatically. I am open to new ideas, but you are not able to show me any proof on the contrary.

Atoms observed by countless scientists again and again at allegedly independent laboratories all across the world?

First I ask for any proof of this whatsoever.

Second, I question whether any multiple similar results (of which you have thus far given a total of zero supporting evidence whatsoever for even this assertion) are INDEPENDENTLY similar because you must also show that they are utterly unrelated for us to believe that they are really independent rather than merely multiple scientific sounding manifestations of one idea of one person or group powerful or wealthy enough to represent their opinion as conclusive irrespective of inconvenient facts.

Inconvenient facts.  Such as the Copenhagen school of atomic theory founded by Niehls Bohr and Werner Heisenberg.  One of the characteristics of the Copenhagen school is the honest acknowledgment that it is impossible to either see atoms or to describe exactly and precisely the locations of alleged electrons and protons and neutrons.  The Copenhagen school knows that the hypothesis of the existence of protons, neutrons and electrons rest on probability math rather than certainty, and in spite of the fact that they believe in atoms, they are closer to the truth than many modern atomic believer-fanatics who understand not what their beliefs are based upon.

Physics and Philosophy by Werner Heisenberg
http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/heisenb3.htm

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #301 on: October 14, 2007, 05:21:29 PM »
If you can re-explain the nuclear atom, then I'll agree with you.

How do you explain the photo electric effect?
How do you explain rutherfords alpha particle experiment?
How do you explain naturally occurring radioactive Uranium degrading into other elements?
How do you explain synthetic elements?
How do you explain gamma radiation affecting photographic paper from inside a closed unlit cupboard?
How do you explain how the Sun burns?

All of these point to the nuclear atom, and with a nuclear atom, it is pretty easy to accurately describe a nuclear fission reaction.

Last question, how do you account for nuclear power stations, which are of course, a controlled fission reaction (exactly the same reaction as a nuclear bomb)?

Disprove all of these and I'll consider that Nuclear weapons don't exist.
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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #302 on: October 16, 2007, 02:58:16 PM »
I've never seen you therefore the government has programmed robots to use reverse phsycology, ingenious.
Using the theory of least assumptions, I can either theorize there is a place i have never been, you live there, you get on a website and say retarded things to prove me wrong, and you exist, or i can assume the government has a robot to disprove me.

Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #303 on: October 16, 2007, 03:47:53 PM »
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you get on a website and say retarded things to prove me wrong
An excellent point.

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #304 on: October 17, 2007, 01:09:58 PM »
Why are we argueing with Tom again?
I'm so tempted to put a scratch and sniff at the bottom of a pool and see what you do...

Avert your eyes, this is too awesome for them...

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #305 on: October 17, 2007, 01:31:01 PM »
I look outside my window and see the earth is flat, and I don't see any of you. Therefore the earth is flat and none of you exist, you are all robots part of the conspiracy. Now, to prove FE you must now disprove your own existance. Have fun.
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there is no optical light, there is just light and theres no other type of light unless you start talkling about energy saving lightbulbs compared to other types of light bulbs
ENaG: Evidence Not a Guarantee.

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #306 on: October 17, 2007, 05:10:27 PM »
Why are we argueing with Tom again?
I'm being called Tom now? ah how the many have missed the point of the Tom reference.


I may make stupid comments but mine have a point if you'd stop simply looking at the sarcasm.

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #307 on: October 18, 2007, 07:37:19 PM »
Why are we argueing with Tom again?
I'm being called Tom now? ah how the many have missed the point of the Tom reference.


I may make stupid comments but mine have a point if you'd stop simply looking at the sarcasm.

I, uh, was talking about 17.
I'm so tempted to put a scratch and sniff at the bottom of a pool and see what you do...

Avert your eyes, this is too awesome for them...

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #308 on: October 19, 2007, 05:53:10 AM »
Oh my bad. lol.

So many noobs on here i'm starting to make assumptions about everyone.

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #309 on: October 20, 2007, 02:00:31 AM »
I look outside my window and see the earth is flat, and I don't see any of you. Therefore the earth is flat and none of you exist, you are all robots part of the conspiracy. Now, to prove FE you must now disprove your own existance. Have fun.
Oh damn :(

Let's see.... I exist because... Crap.

WTF YOU WIN


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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #310 on: October 21, 2007, 05:54:05 PM »
I look outside my window and see the earth is flat, and I don't see any of you. Therefore the earth is flat and none of you exist, you are all robots part of the conspiracy. Now, to prove FE you must now disprove your own existance. Have fun.
Oh damn :(

Let's see.... I exist because... Crap.

WTF YOU WIN
You exist because god tried to make the suckiest person possible and outdid himself.

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #311 on: October 21, 2007, 06:39:24 PM »
I exist because God was feeling generous toward mankind one afternoon...
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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #312 on: October 21, 2007, 06:46:03 PM »
and decided to make them all feel better about themselves?

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #313 on: October 21, 2007, 07:05:46 PM »
by giving them a superior model to be in awe of, yes.
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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #314 on: October 21, 2007, 07:06:19 PM »
Lol or to look down on someone and say "at least we aren't that guy"

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #315 on: October 21, 2007, 07:09:50 PM »
They say that, but it's just jealousy - inside they're thinking, "I wish I was that guy"
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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #316 on: October 21, 2007, 08:56:00 PM »
They say that, but it's just jealousy - inside they're thinking, "I wish I was that gay"
Nope.

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #317 on: October 21, 2007, 09:09:24 PM »
They say that, but it's just jealousy - inside they're thinking, "I wish I was that gay"
I can't think of a relevant thing to add here, so I'll just change the previous posters wrods and post that instead.
Amended.
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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #318 on: October 21, 2007, 09:19:51 PM »
They say that, but it's just jealousy - inside they're thinking, "I wish I was that gay"
I can't think of a relevant thing to add here, so I'll just change the previous posters wrods and post that instead.
Amended.
I deny accusations of previous poster's wrod changing!

*changes your wrods when your not looking*

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #319 on: October 21, 2007, 09:25:31 PM »
Lol
if i remember, austria is an old, dis-used name for what is now Germany.
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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #320 on: October 22, 2007, 03:51:28 PM »
Why are we jealous and wish we were that gay? I'm twice as gay as he'll ever be.  :-X

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #321 on: October 22, 2007, 03:55:47 PM »
I actually said, guy, but some loser edited my post for the quote.
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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #322 on: October 22, 2007, 04:24:55 PM »
Or he quoted you and you changed your post. Yes i believe my thoery is the truth. Yours is full of lies and slander.

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #323 on: October 24, 2007, 04:58:25 PM »
Or he quoted you and changed your post. Yes i believe I talk a pile of shit, and am full of lies and slander.

Fixed for accuracy...
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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #324 on: October 24, 2007, 11:24:32 PM »
Or he quoted you and changed your post. Yes i believe I talk a pile of shit, and am full of lies and slander.

Fixed for accuracy...
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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #325 on: October 27, 2007, 07:17:50 PM »
Or he quoted you and changed your post. Yes i believe I talk a pile of shit, and am full of lies and slander.

Proving the accusation of lies and slander.

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #326 on: November 22, 2007, 05:47:15 PM »
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If you can re-explain the nuclear atom, then I'll agree with you.
You need to first be familiar with its very recent history.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2013, 12:58:58 AM by bullhorn3 »

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #327 on: November 22, 2007, 05:49:48 PM »
OK, now come up with a passage that long for that list I made of about 10 problems, and I'll consider revising my opinion.

Ready..............












































































GO!!!!
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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #328 on: November 22, 2007, 06:02:44 PM »
Forgive me in advance as I will not be able to adequately run down your list in the amount of time we would both prefer, but I do intend to get around to it eventually at any rate. 

At any rate, the following extract from the quote I posted above rather gives the impression that the concept of neutrons is a much vaunted theoretical explanation misrepresented as a discovery in 1932 in order to silence criticism of an aspect of Rutherford's nuclear atom theory.

"But while we can thus disregard details in taking a birds-eye view of the situation, the question as to details must be faced sooner or later, and this has proved to be full of difficulties. It was quickly recognized that the simple picture originally conceived was not capable of representing all of the known facts, and that the nucleus must contain something more than the positively-charged particles. The first hypothesis that was proposed as a means of meeting this situation was that some electrons existed in the atomic nucleus in addition to the extra-nuclear electrons originally postulated, and this was the accepted view for the next twenty years or so. There are, however, some very serious objections to the idea of electrons inside the nucleus, and the theorists gave a sigh of relief in 1932, when the discovery of the neutron supplied a new building block that could be substituted for the nuclear electron. Since 1932 the atomic nucleus has been assumed to consist of protons and neutrons in the appropriate proportions for each element and isotope."

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist
« Reply #329 on: November 22, 2007, 06:20:11 PM »
The physics of Bolzmann, Rutherford, Max Planck, Einstein, and Neils Bohr, et cetera are THEORETICAL rather than objective (unlike the classical physics which preceeded them).
  What I mean by asserting that the concoction of neutrons is part of some kind of conspiracy is that a theory (Rutherford's) with a lot of evidence against it was misrepresented as an incontestable and proven fact to the public.  Any number of explanations could be made which would have less problems when tested than Rutherford's nuclear hypothesis.  When irreconcilable problems in the nuclear theory eventually came to the fore (such as the serious opposition to the idea of electrons in the nucleus mentioned by Larson), a new particle was concocted - the neutron - which placated or distracted critics of the nuclear theory.  Can anyone show evidence that the "discovery" of neutrons in 1932 was anything other than a theory devised to rescue another faltering theory?