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How did FE even occur?

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Pablo the Incredible

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How did FE even occur?
« on: February 24, 2007, 06:30:13 PM »
How's about a more detailed explaination as to how the "flat earth" got its shape?

And no, I will NOT take Tom's half-ass reason: "spinning and shearing forces in its early life" (paraphrased)
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2007, 06:32:31 PM »
I was wondering this as well.
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2007, 06:37:29 PM »
It would have to have been made by some greater being or race as I don't think there is any physics that can explain it's natural creation. That includes the Sun and Moon and how they stay circling overhead too.
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Pablo the Incredible

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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2007, 06:46:07 PM »
Ok, I'll clarify the question just in case: Ruling out God, and an advanced civ, what in science could make a flat earth?
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2007, 06:52:22 PM »
I'd rather take a religious reason for all of FE than all the half-hearted "scientific evidence" rubbish.
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Pablo the Incredible

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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2007, 06:53:22 PM »
Quote from: theonlydann on February 24, 2007, 06:47:31 PM
Why don't you just keep ruling out things until it is impossible... and then youll be happy, because no matter what the answer, you are jst gonna say NUH UH! THE EARTH IS ROUND!!!
Why dont YOU just answer our questions instead of just yelling that we're wrong with long winded links to 100+ year old books.

Quote from: kasroa on February 24, 2007, 06:52:22 PM
I'd rather take a religious reason for all of FE than all the half-hearted "scientific evidence" rubbish.

Why?
Keep in mind that the Bible was written years after the events discribed.
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2007, 07:00:07 PM »
Because then it just comes down to faith. So instead of saying "I believe in a FE because of evidence, experiments...etc" which makes you sound silly, you could just say "I believe in a FE because of my religion".
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Pablo the Incredible

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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2007, 07:05:33 PM »
Faith has been used as a scapegoat for centuries.

I'm not knocking religion here so don't say it.
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2007, 07:09:10 PM »
I'm not entirely sure you're following me here.
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Pablo the Incredible

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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2007, 07:11:12 PM »
I'm saying that you can't just say " the earth is flat cuz jesus said so" and give a passage from the bible that confirms this and expect people to believe you.
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2007, 07:14:11 PM »
I didn't say I would believe it but I would respect it as a faith. What I don't respect is con-artists trying to "proove" it with false information.
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2007, 07:16:08 PM »
The mechanisms behind the FE's formation are not yet known.
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Pablo the Incredible

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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2007, 07:17:05 PM »
Quote from: kasroa on February 24, 2007, 07:14:11 PM
I didn't say I would believe it but I would respect it as a faith. What I don't respect is con-artists trying to "proove" it with false information.
True, true, but if everyone did that, there'd be no argument and this forum would cease to exist. :o
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2007, 08:04:47 PM »
Quote from: GeoGuy on February 24, 2007, 07:16:08 PM
The mechanisms behind the FE's formation are not yet known.

Fantastic!  Get back to us when they're known.
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2007, 08:11:18 PM »
Quote from: Pyrochimp on February 24, 2007, 08:04:47 PM
Fantastic!  Get back to us when they're known.

Will do. But don't hold your breath, it took the RE's a couple thousand years to come up with a plausible, if incorrect, theory of formation for their model.
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2007, 08:13:05 PM »
What's the difference if we know or not? We don't know for sure how the round Earth came about either. Yes, there's speculation, but so what?

My speculations on the formation of the flat Earth are that dust and dirt was tumulted and carried by the Universal Accelerator until it got so heavy that the compression created heat and eventually atmosphere as well as water. As for the ice wall, the water was probably frozen in its original state and obviously the water would be on top of the Earth cyllinder. After the sun came into orbit, it heated up the insides, leaving the North pole, which is farthest away from the sun, and the South Pole, which is very far from the sun's rays and is cooled by outer-space, frozen, leaving a large ice wall where the water was frozen quickly as it began to slosh outwards because of the extreme coldness in space.

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Pablo the Incredible

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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2007, 02:45:13 PM »
RE's scenario is equally, if not more, plausible than that.
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2007, 02:46:13 PM »
Quote from: Pablo the Incredible on February 25, 2007, 02:45:13 PM
RE's scenario is equally, if not more, plausible than that.
If you assume the presence of gravity, which is pretty ludicrous if you ask me...Either way, it's simply speculation and neither speculative hypotheses prove one theory or the other.

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Pablo the Incredible

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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2007, 02:54:20 PM »
I already explained that gravity is not a ludicrous idea. Here's how:

If you hold a wrecking ball parallel to a building, it will be slightly attracted towards it. To clarify, the ball leans closer to it. After the building falls and the ball comes to a stand still, it will no longer be at an angle.

Explain THAT with "universal acceleration"
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2007, 02:57:42 PM »
I can explain it without UA, and with one of the basic principles of FE.

The Earth tilts (ever so slightly) back and forth. This causes the tides and the wrecking ball to lean toward the building. Once the bulding has been destroyed, the Earth has simply tilted back the other way.
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2007, 03:01:59 PM »
wow that's so great, ive lost my will to argue!

So the hundreds of times this has happened, it's been an incredibly unlikely series of co-inky-dinks?
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2007, 03:03:53 PM »
Basically, yes.

Here I'm arguing pro-FE, in another topic in arguing against-FE, and my name is stating that I'm a RE'er. Fun.
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2007, 03:06:47 PM »
So ure a RE'er that argues for FE?
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2007, 03:08:11 PM »
2+2=chair
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2007, 03:12:20 PM »
Quote from: Pablo the Incredible on February 25, 2007, 03:06:47 PM
So ure a RE'er that argues for FE?

I personally believe in RE, but I want to understand FE. The best way (I think) to understand someone's beliefs is to emulate them, and to argue for them, in this case.
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2007, 03:33:01 PM »
the only way i could accept the Flanet theory is if it were part of a religion.  No religion is right.
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2007, 08:26:17 AM »
Quote from: Pablo the Incredible on February 25, 2007, 03:06:47 PM
So ure a RE'er that argues for FE?
Who the hell would want to do that?!

As for the wrecking ball thing, I'd like to see the source where you got this information. I've never heard of this happening before.

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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2007, 09:01:06 AM »
Ignore the wrecking ball. Cavendish experiment.
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2007, 09:04:09 AM »
Quote from: DiegoDraw on February 24, 2007, 08:13:05 PM
What's the difference if we know or not? We don't know for sure how the round Earth came about either. Yes, there's speculation, but so what?

My speculations on the formation of the flat Earth are that dust and dirt was tumulted and carried by the Universal Accelerator until it got so heavy that the compression created heat and eventually atmosphere as well as water. As for the ice wall, the water was probably frozen in its original state and obviously the water would be on top of the Earth cyllinder. After the sun came into orbit, it heated up the insides, leaving the North pole, which is farthest away from the sun, and the South Pole, which is very far from the sun's rays and is cooled by outer-space, frozen, leaving a large ice wall where the water was frozen quickly as it began to slosh outwards because of the extreme coldness in space.

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"After the sun came into orbit..."  What caused the orbit if gravity is so ludicrous?
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Re: How did FE even occur?
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2007, 10:26:28 AM »
Quote from: EIRD on February 26, 2007, 09:04:09 AM
"After the sun came into orbit..."  What caused the orbit if gravity is so ludicrous?
Probably a come to rest on the atmosphere or something of the like.

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Ignore the wrecking ball. Cavendish experiment.
You've actually got me on that one. My only refutations for it would be the credibility of the results being taken (people who believe in gravity probably want to find gravity with the experiment, not prove it wrong), and the conditions, seeing as you'd basically need perfect conditions in order to measure it due to the experiment's nature of subtlety.


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