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Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??

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Splox

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Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« on: February 23, 2007, 04:46:49 AM »
It is completely artificial to show north being up on a map.  Maps can just as well look like this:



Although it is not widely accepted because we have grown accustomed to our north-at-top maps.

I don't see how there is any more evidence for a north centered FE than there is for a south centered FE.  It would make just as much sense to argue the south pole is the very center of our world.   I'd like to know how a FE'er would prove that the south pole is not the center and the north pole isn't a 150 foot ice wall stretching 70,000+ miles around the earth. 
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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2007, 04:50:25 AM »
are you on crack?
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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2007, 04:54:16 AM »
Quote from: semperround on February 23, 2007, 04:50:25 AM
are you on crack?

How about thinking about it for a second before responding in such a way.
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RenaissanceMan

Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2007, 05:47:42 AM »
Actually, there's a really good reason for this.

In the northern hemisphere it's clearly obvious that the stars are centered above the north pole, if you observe them for a couple hours, they all appear to rotate around a single star... Polaris, the North Star. People have been using Polaris to navigate at night for ... well forever.

Flat Earth nutters have historically come from the northern hemisphere, and as such are well familiar with the north star... hell, everyone is. Everyone went camping and looked at the stars at least ONCE in their life. These guys are also religions nuts, and believe that scripture says the world is flat... So, combine two beliefs that the person has:

1) Stars rotate around a center, which is over the north pole.
2) Scripture is the inerrant word of god, and says the world is flat.

And viola! North pole centric flat earth map. The big two in this field are Samuel Rowbotham (up to about 1880) and Charles Johnson (Up to about 2000) Both were major religious nuts who lived on the northern hemisphere.


Of course, the stars appear to rotate around the south pole as well, which disproves the hypothesis... But Rowbotham, Johnson, et al didn't know that as they've never beeen there.
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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2007, 06:28:41 AM »
Civilization exists in large quantities in the southern hemisphere in just one area, that is Australia.

Most of civilized man exist north of the Equator. In fact most human beings in general exist above the equator.
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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2007, 07:01:48 AM »
Quote from: Splox on February 23, 2007, 04:46:49 AM
It is completely artificial to show north being up on a map.  Maps can just as well look like this:

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Although it is not widely accepted because we have grown accustomed to our north-at-top maps.

I don't see how there is any more evidence for a north centered FE than there is for a south centered FE.  It would make just as much sense to argue the south pole is the very center of our world.   I'd like to know how a FE'er would prove that the south pole is not the center and the north pole isn't a 150 foot ice wall stretching 70,000+ miles around the earth. 
You are forgetting one thing. The Flat Earth map was not based on the Round Earth map, it was the other way around.
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TheEngineer

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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2007, 07:26:27 AM »
Could it be because that's where a compass points?
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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2007, 07:38:12 AM »
Compasses point south as much as they point north...
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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2007, 07:44:52 AM »
Fine.  The N on the compass always points there.
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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2007, 07:47:36 AM »
But the S always points the other way >_>.
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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2007, 07:48:18 AM »
You are right. The 'N' is much less arbitrary than the 'S'. I bow to your superior wisdom in this matter.
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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2007, 08:06:45 AM »
Thanks, that's all I wanted. ;)
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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2007, 08:21:37 AM »
It's not impossible but it's slightly more unlikely.

The Northern Hemisphere contains more landmass in total than the Southern hemisphere. Most first world countries are also in the Northern hemisphere.

This means a lot more planes and boats traveling near the Ice Wall, making it a bit harder for the government.

Also some areas of Russia and Canada are very near the South Pole so the governement has to worry about patrolling the ground as well. By contrast, the South Pole can only be reached by crossing the ocean.


Of course it's not impossible, just slightly less likely.
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RenaissanceMan

Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2007, 08:40:29 AM »
Quote from: cheesejoff on February 23, 2007, 08:21:37 AM
It's not impossible but it's slightly more unlikely.

The Northern Hemisphere contains more landmass in total than the Southern hemisphere. Most first world countries are also in the Northern hemisphere.

This means a lot more planes and boats traveling near the Ice Wall, making it a bit harder for the government.

Also some areas of Russia and Canada are very near the South Pole so the governement has to worry about patrolling the ground as well. By contrast, the South Pole can only be reached by crossing the ocean.


Of course it's not impossible, just slightly less likely.

LOL, obviously you mean to say that Canada is near the NORTH pole... but even then...

If Rowbotham had tried to tell people in England that the world was flat and centered on the south pole, people in the audience would have pointed out that the stars rotate around the NORTH pole, making a south pole centric flat earth impossible for him to explain.
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Splox

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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2007, 04:11:33 PM »
Quote from: RenaissanceMan on February 23, 2007, 08:40:29 AM
If Rowbotham had tried to tell people in England that the world was flat and centered on the south pole, people in the audience would have pointed out that the stars rotate around the NORTH pole, making a south pole centric flat earth impossible for him to explain.

This is really what I was getting at.  Picking the North Pole as the center is arbitrary.  There isn't a way to explain stars rotating around two points in the sky with a FE model.
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Kasroa Is Gone

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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2007, 04:48:35 PM »
A good thread. I hadn't even considered this before now.
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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2007, 07:32:13 PM »
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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2007, 07:37:36 PM »
Eurocentric.  Flat earth model is based on perception and thus centred around the northern hemisphere.  Its only been until the last say 200 years that civilisation as we know it has lived in large numbers down here.


For someone like myself who lives in Australia the flat earth model is much harder to believe and there are glaring problems that are clearly visible with the naked eye.  I only need to look at the stars and how they move to see the earth isn't flat.  Why? because the flat earth model tells me the sky moves in a particular way, but down here it doesn't.  This is all very real and very easy to prove.

In short, its much easier to believe in a flat earth in the northern hemisphere.
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Kasroa Is Gone

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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2007, 07:42:41 PM »
You could take a genuine Flat Earth believer up in a rocket and show them the Earth and they would still believe it was flat. Conlusion first, make evidence to support it. Standard formula for every conspiracy theory.
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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2007, 10:12:56 PM »
This map makes perfect sence to me
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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2007, 12:00:04 AM »
Quote from: kasroa on February 24, 2007, 04:48:35 PM
A good thread. I hadn't even considered this before now.
Really? Because the idea's been in about ten different threads this week alone.


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Splox

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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2007, 12:34:04 AM »
I'm not saying the earth is centered at the north pole, but FE'ers should be able to disprove it.  I'm saying a FE with the south pole at the center is just as likely as a FE with the north pole at the center.  Because choosing the north pole was an arbitrary decision.

I'd like an argument against the south pole FE equivalent in validity to proof that the RE'ers would have to supply to show the that the Earth is not flat. 
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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2007, 03:39:45 AM »
Quote from: Wolfwood on February 23, 2007, 06:28:41 AM
Civilization exists in large quantities in the southern hemisphere in just one area, that is Australia.

Do the sprawling metropolises of South America and South Africa not count as civilised these days then? I know a few Brazilians, South Africans and Argentinians who would take offence to that.
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keios

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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2007, 03:50:20 AM »
Sorry? Why is taking offence to someone declaring that your entire country is uncivilised an uncivilised act? If I were to declare that everyone living in the Northern Hemisphere was uncivilised on the grounds that they're responsible for the majority of the worlds human rights offences and acts of mass cruelty you'd take offence wouldn't you? At least I'm offering a rationale for why the Northern Hemisphere is uncivilised. In fact, there's MORE proof for the N. Hemisphere being uncivilised than the S. Unless you count acts of genocide, attempted genocide, increased incidence of child abuse and the proliferation of racial hatred on ideological grounds as "civilised" things. They're all much more prevalent in the Northern Hemisphere. Just look at Nazi Germany. In fact, I've decided that I'll make a moronic sweeping generalisation much like the initial one- With the exception of the UK, all of the Northern Hemisphere is like either Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia.  ::)
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keios

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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2007, 03:54:09 AM »
What eactly are the criteria you're using for "civilised"? I'll agree that I'm not if you're using the old colonial definition of "has servants to do work for them, has own flag, married own cousin".
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keios

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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2007, 04:05:07 AM »
That would be because I'm English. And as a result use English English rather than American English. Here it is spelt with an S, there it is spelt with a Z. In much the same way that here Colour has a U and there it is Color.
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keios

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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2007, 04:07:52 AM »
At least I can capitalise correctly.   :P
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Splox

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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2007, 04:44:53 AM »
How did this get so off topic?
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keios

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Re: Why Not a FE Centered at the South Pole??
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2007, 06:31:13 AM »
Practice.
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