4 Ways to Fix America’s Deeply Destructive and Humiliating Relationship With

Not that it's a whole lot better, but about 1/3 of gofundme campaigns are for medical expenses. There are gofundmes for serious illnesses, such as cancer, to cosmetic procedures, such as "sex reassignment surgeries". The medical expense category is fairly broad. I'm not defending the need for this stuff, but it's just not as bad as 60%, and a lot of it is for elective procedures.

Some people are supposed to fall through cracks. Economy is about winners and losers. Namby pamby coddling of the losers is how America winds up routinely spending about...

Remind me again, what job do you have? 
Oh right.  You're a leech to your parents, who are coddling you.

"Oh no, the US doesn't have single payer government insurance!" What it does have is a medical system that routinely helps out illegal aliens who have no insurance at all on the state's dime, and occasional good Samaritan types that just waive the cost or use sliding scale.  It also offers choices in insurance, and those choices, when allowed (fucking thanks, Obama for four years of screwing with insurance), allow prices to compete. Competing prices means cost of insurance is driven down.

I'm not shocked your grasp of insurance is ignorant.  Let me explain something to you: medical insurance does everything possible to deny claims.  And if you ever lost insurance while having a pre-existing condition, like say you change jobs... That's it.  You're done.  No insurance ever, job or not.  Lifetime limits.
And no, you had no real choices.  Never did.  Hell, you can go to a hospital, IN NETWORK, and see a doctor out of network and not know until you got the $2000 bill for it. (Personal experience here.)

Do yourself a favor: go get a job doing medical claim customer support.  Do it for a year then come back and tell me how great it is.

Mandatory insurance itself is a bad idea. Supply and demand means that insurance needs not everyone buying it so the supply is less than demand (lower cost), and people off insurance only go when they really need it. Insurance actually inflates the cost of medicine by not allowing sticker shock to persuade some people to stay home and self-treat. In America, it is possible for someone like me to simply say, "I'm not going to the doctor, nor paying insurance." And that will be that. I have to be aware of my health, and not engage in risky behavior like driving drunk or overtired.

No, insurance needs EVERYONE paying for it and no one using it.  Basically kick off the un-healthy and sick or just those with diabetes.  Under the old rules, you'd never get insurance(because you're mentally I paired).  And if you EVER had to go to the hospital and couldn't pay, guess who picked up the bill?

Lorddave, did you get your home computer thing worked out?

Not that it's a whole lot better, but about 1/3 of gofundme campaigns are for medical expenses. There are gofundmes for serious illnesses, such as cancer, to cosmetic procedures, such as "sex reassignment surgeries". The medical expense category is fairly broad. I'm not defending the need for this stuff, but it's just not as bad as 60%, and a lot of it is for elective procedures.

Even so, it's a broken system that at its core is predicated on making money rather than healing, I mean it obviously has to heal but that doesn't seem to be the main goal, and it's not cost effective.

If the world population review is right, the US spends $12,474 per capita for scheme that still leaves people in debt if they get a serious illness, that's 16.7% of your GDP, the UK spends $5,139 per person at 11.34% of GDP, it's not perfect by any means but nobody, at all, ever goes into debt.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/healthcare-spending-by-country

And BB, I'm sorry the world has fucked you up, but nothing you put makes any sense to the rest of the world, every other western nation does it better and fairer.

Lorddave, did you get your home computer thing worked out?

I did, thanks.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on November 12, 2025, 09:33:25 AM

Some people are supposed to fall through cracks. Economy is about winners and losers. Namby pamby coddling of the losers is how America winds up routinely spending about...

Remind me again, what job do you have? 
Oh right.  You're a leech to your parents, who are coddling you.

No, insurance needs EVERYONE paying for it and no one using it.  Basically kick off the un-healthy and sick or just those with diabetes.  Under the old rules, you'd never get insurance (because you're mentally impaired).  And if you EVER had to go to the hospital and couldn't pay, guess who picked up the bill?

No, it does not.

If anyone has a reason to collect for medical, it would be me.

• Dry scalp with thinning hair
• Split ends
• Haven't used a dentist in around seven years
• Somewhere in the progression of type 2 diabetes
• High salt intake
• Not really that overweight, but I don't care about cholesterol or saturated fat
• Barely exercise
• Oh yeah, and I go to sleep at like 3am some nights, so I tend towards narcolepsy and shouldn't drive.

The reason that I don't get insurance is that I thought about it one day, and realized that I am basically gambling on my own health. If I never use it, I'm paying for a service I don't need.
And if I were to try to treat even a fraction of these? I'd probably be declared uninsurable. Or... ideally, if I were a normal person, I could save the money (let's say shove 25% a paycheck aside, and about a year's worth would begin to pay some expenses; after a few more years, I could pay for anything that isn't cancer or a triple bypass).
Also, when the Lord takes me, I'd rather go out that way than extraordinary measures of any sort. Just "No thanks. I don't have insurance, and don't want your medical care."

Leeching of my parents? Let's do some math here.

In America, I can be a loser basement dweller and go fuck myself. Nobody gives a shit if my health is relatively poor, as I've repeatedly told my folks that when I die, I don't want to be near a fucking hospital. They don't get it, and sometimes think I'm suicidal, but it boils down to having neurotic parents that subjected me to seizure treatment that it turned out I didn't need (that sort, you outgrow) with probes and the like, and I was misdiagnosed for ADHD and taking social zombie medicines that gave me ulcers. My parents pay $0, and I pay $0 on medicine or insurance.  I might take an over-the-counter, and that's kinda it.

Somewhere in Europe? Let's say I'm still a basement dweller. If I don't pay your taxes, my folks really are on the hook. And how do you pay? If it were a flat 10% tax out of earnings, my yearly income is like $200 to $400, and that's like Christmas money and such. Gifts. Gifts aren't earnings. Meanwhile, a single mother earning $20,000 trying to feed a family of four is require to pay $2000 for herself, then $6000 more for each child. Many of those kids do not yet need insurance, but she has no say in the matter. You cannot tell me that is not unfair. And if the insurance is not based on percent, she would have to earn over a certain amount.

You seem to think it's not okay to just say "No thanks, I don't want insurance," and then try to put me on the hook for some loser who is even worse health than me.  And the root of it all? Well, I will admit flatly that I think I'm responsible for my own poor health. If even 1/3 of health problems are self-caused, this is a substantial chunk of the public that should go off insurance and look after themselves, but instead is forcing other people to pay for their own bullshit. It's my bullshit, I own it, and I don't expect anyone else to pay for it.

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Consumer protection is the real deal. If I need a new computer, I have no idea whether upon new purchase the thing will suddenly flicker then die. Or if they sold me something that needs to move. Unlike health care, which could be 30% to 70% of the population eating shitty junk food causing these "pre-existing" conditions, consumer protection helps the public against fraud, randomly faulty products, and things like Amazon hiring people to claim a product is great.  If you cite one good thing about Europe, it is not socialized medicine.  It is 110% the ability to protect consumers against faulty products.
What we have instead, is excessive lawsuits for (oh look) insurance companies failing to cover after an accident. They want us to settle, and the lawyers want us to fight. So insurance payments go up, because insurance doesn't work.

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Btw, I was wrong. Mount Sinai isn't in fact in the Sinai Penisula at all.  It's in the mountains near Midian (modern day Medina).

You contradict yourself. One minute you brag about how unselfish you are with your charity and then state “Some people are supposed to fall through cracks. Economy is about winners and losers. Namby pamby coddling of the losers etc’”

The National health service here is paid directly from NI contributions and taxes taken directly from wages, it covers everyone, if you don’t work, are a housewife/husband, a pensioner or just don’t have a job, you are covered by those that do.

You know like charity, or like Jesus would have done.

People here recognise that, “there but for the grace of god go I” we don’t see people as losers so much as just unfortunate or less able, and are happy to bear that burden, whereas you have been indoctrinated to see the less fortunate, in this case that includes you, as freeloaders and losers.
Do you not see the double standards you advocate christian?

If Hamas was an enemy of Israel, why did Netanyahu facilitate millions of Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings to go to them?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

Probably for the same reason the CIA and GCHQ funded and trained terrorist groups in the region.

Bulma is getting cooked itt. Im starting to feel bad but we need to have an honest conversation about America's relationship with Israel. If we cant have it with reasonable people like Tucker Carlson then it will lead to having it with unreasonable people.

I often get called an anti-semite and its probably not an unfair accusation but if we actually started persecuting Jews I would stick my neck out to defend them, so would Tucker Carlson.

Some people are supposed to fall through cracks. Economy is about winners and losers. Namby pamby coddling of the losers is how America winds up routinely spending about...

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The U.S. government spends an average of about $35,578 per year for each person experiencing chronic homelessness, primarily on crisis services like jails and hospitals. Overall, it is estimated that ending homelessness in the U.S. would require an investment of around $20 billion.

Do you not see the double standards you advocate christian?

I just want to point out this is a fundamentally Jewish belief, it's not a Christian belief it's the opposite of it.

Also the article quoted is claiming that the US could end her homelessness problem for two thirds of the money she has given to Israel to conduct an ethnic cleansing campaign in response to a terrorist attack.

Also the article quoted is claiming that the US could end her homelessness problem for two thirds of the money she has given to Israel to conduct an ethnic cleansing campaign in response to a terrorist attack.

This is all wrong.

Of that $6.9 trillion, almost $4.9 trillion was financed by federal revenues. The remaining amount was financed by borrowing.

If health insurance really is effective, we could give that money back as a tax refund, and people could privately decide whether or not to insure themselves.

24% of 6.9 trillion = 1,656,000,000,000
There are 153.8 million taxpayers, and 300 million legal US citizens. There are also 771,480 homeless (somehow there are way more non-taxpayers than outright homeless).

If we were to give a tax return on just health insurance, each taxpayer gets $10,767.2302 to supposedly cover their private health insurance. In actuality, this could be given to even citizen, and everyone legal gets $5520. 
Or you could donate mainly to combat homelessness, and give the remainder for insurance assistance.

1,656,000,000,000 / 771,480 = 2146523.5651 per homeless
2146523.5651 - 26523.5651 = 2120000. Now we need to determine what is left by multiplying by 771,480.
771480 x 2120000 = 1,635,537,600,000
After all homeless have been dealt with to spend on insurance assistance, we give the rest to insurance for working citizens.
(300,000,000 - 299228520) = 299,228,520
1,635,537,600,000 / 299,228,520 = 5465.84797465
Refund the money supposedly in taxes, every homeless get a home, and every non-homeless worker gets insurance.

There is clearly government graft going on. The taxpayer money funneled into health insurance is way more pulled out than put in, meaning most of it gets sent to government worker paychecks.

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Now let's compare Israel donations:
The United States provides approximately $3.8 billion in military aid to Israel each year as part of a 10-year agreement that runs through 2028.
$3.8 billion yearly / 300 million = $12.67
Even accounting  this only for homeless accounts for $4925.60 in returns, and people also need to eat.

You could not solve homelessness this way, because people have to choose between food and housing. That is not even remotely sufficient, because someone hasn't done the yearly math.

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No, I do not care that Israel is supposedly "ethnic cleansing." They have sovereignty in their country, and Palestine has a country of their own. If a large number of French walked into Britain and started being total snobs, I would not blame the British for killing them in the UK. Only if British killed the in France would I call it ethnic cleansing.

Israel should use that money to buy up a part of Saudi Arabia, and designate it international territory. Namely the strip of land from Israel to modern day Medina (where the actual Sinai is). Then they should buy the so-called Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, give it to the so-called Palestinians, and tell them to get lost.
Or better yet, America ought to rezone using its money, giving Israel back its homeland and its culture. What is Medina to the Muslims but a land that Muhammad violently attacked? But what it is to the Jews is a land where Moses met his wife Tzipporah, where Moses saw God in the burning bush, where the Ten Commandments were written.

I found an anti-semitic Jew.
Apparently they do exist.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-13/unmasking-nsw-parliament-house-nsn/106005186

One image shows Mr Gruter with a tattoo in what appears to be Hebrew script.

Maybe he should wear long sleeves next time he wants to larp as a nazi.

I told you.

Here's another.


Although the very worst of the internet outright accuses Soros of outright being a Nazi collaborator who helped confiscate Jewish property, he's too young (unless he's a lizard person) to have joined the Nazi party.  However...

The Truth about George Soros Is Damning Enough

What is true is that to survive in that time and place, Tivadar Soros had his son George assume a non-Jewish identity — “Sandor Kiss” — and pose as the godson of a Hungarian agriculture ministry bureaucrat named Baumbach, whose job was taking inventory of Jewish properties confiscated by the Nazi occupiers. Soros accompanied Baumbach on one job, traveling to the estate of a wealthy Jewish aristocrat named Moric Kornfeld. What’s not disputed is that Soros hung around the estate while Baumbach did his work for the Nazi-occupying regime; what is disputed is what, if anything, Soros did while Baumbach took inventory.

For what it’s worth, Soros did make his role sound more active in a 1998 interview with Steve Kroft on 60 Minutes.

    Kroft: “My understanding is that you went . . . went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.”

    Soros: “Yes, that’s right. Yes.”

    Kroft: “I mean, that’s — that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?”

    Soros: “Not, not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don’t . . . you don’t see the connection. But it was — it created no — no problem at all.”

    Kroft: “No feeling of guilt?”

    Soros: “No.”

    Kroft: “For example, that, ‘I’m Jewish, and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be these, I should be there.’ None of that?”

    Soros: “Well, of course . . . I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn’t be there, because that was — well, actually, in a funny way, it’s just like in the markets — that if I weren’t there — of course, I wasn’t doing it, but somebody else would — would — would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the — whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the — I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.”

There’s one other wrinkle: Tivadar Soros offered a similar account of the trip in his 1965 autobiography titled Masquerade: Dancing Around Death in Nazi Occupied Hungary, except he described Baumbach as “Baufluss” and made his son’s role sound more active:

    The following week the kind-hearted Baufluss, in an effort to cheer the unhappy lad up, took him off with him to the provinces. At the time he was working in Transdanubia, west of Budapest, on the model estate of a Jewish aristocrat, Baron Moric Kornfeld. There they were wined and dined by what was left of the staff. George also met several other ministry officials, who immediately took a liking to the young man, the alleged godson of Mr Baufluss. He even helped with the inventory. Surrounded by good company, he quickly regained his spirits. On Saturday he returned to Budapest.

Did young George Soros help with taking inventory of property seized from Jews? His father’s autobiography says yes, Soros himself says no, aside from that initial answer in the 60 Minutes interview.

No sense of guilt. "Only a spectator."  Kinda like "only following orders."

And to this day, he continues with open borders, even though this agenda endangers other Jews.

I told you.

Seems you were right but not quite what I was getting at.

Do you think he should cover up his Hebrew tattoo in order to larp as a nazi?

Nahhhh, nobody minds.