The distortion of science

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JackBlack

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #180 on: December 18, 2018, 12:18:03 PM »
Or something like this :
The Michelson-Morley experiment
Again, all MM does is help show that aether is BS.

Remember the paradox you are yet to solve?
You have Earth moving w.r.t. the aether, but at rest w.r.t. the aether.
An impossibility.

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cikljamas

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #181 on: December 18, 2018, 12:38:41 PM »
Or something like this :
The Michelson-Morley experiment
Again, all MM does is help show that aether is BS.

Remember the paradox you are yet to solve?
You have Earth moving w.r.t. the aether, but at rest w.r.t. the aether.
An impossibility.

Which part you didn't understand? Once again, just for you :

The Michelson-Morley experiment was not the only one that was
of concern to Einstein, however. In fact, since Einstein was well aware
of previous experiments with the same results, he probably would have
expected a negative result from Michelson-Morley. We suspect this to be
the case since interviews with Einstein show that he was more concerned
with the results of experiments performed about 10-50 years earlier.
Robert Shankland’s interview with Einstein reveals the details:

Prof. Einstein volunteered a rather strong statement that he had
been more influenced by the Fizeau experiment on the effect of
moving water on the speed of light, and by astronomical
aberration, especially Airy’s observations with a water-filled
telescope, than by the Michelson-Morley experiment.

Why would the “Fizeau experiment” and “especially Airy’s
observations with a water-filled telescope,” cause such consternation in
the mind of Einstein? Very simply, Armand Fizeau and George Biddell
Airy’s experiments are two of the foremost evidences of a motionless
Earth ever produced by man. Einstein’s contemporary, Hendrik
Lorentz , stated quite succinctly that these experiments put unbridled fear
into the science establishment. In remarking on those same experiments
Lorentz wrote this astounding admission: “Briefly, everything occurs as
if the Earth were at rest...”

Eventually, it would take the full force of Relativity theory and its attendant
Lorentzian-derived “transformation equations” to make even an attempt at
explaining the amazing results of Fizeau, Airy and various stellar aberration
experiments.

The Michelson-Morley experiment was merely a desperate effort, using more
sophisticated equipment, to overturn Fizeau and Airy’s findings, but as
noted above, it failed to do so.

Einstein’s biographer probably didn’t even know this history
when he wrote that, after the Michelson-Morley experiment, men were
faced with the possibility of “scuttling the whole Copernican theory.”
Unlike Einstein, most such biographers have fixated on the cart but were
rather oblivious to the horse. All in all, we can say this much for
Einstein: although his theories were certainly fantastic to the point of
absurdity, at least he was smart enough to know from whence his
opposition came. In the battle for the cosmos, the unexpected results of
the Fizeau and Airy experiments had already put modern science on trial,
but since they both produced anti-Copernican results, the clarion call to
the courtroom was not being trumpeted to the rest of the world. For the
rest of his career Einstein would do everything in his power to stop it
from sounding. As van der Kamp has stated: “Yes, I think I understand
the sentiment motivating him. If we cannot prove what we a priori
‘know’ to be true [a moving Earth], then we have to find a reason why
such a proof eludes us .” And thus was born the theory of Relativity.

All claims that the Earth is moving  based on stellar aberration are presumptuous,
since from Airy’s experiment it has been proven that the necessity of tilting
a telescope to catch all of a star’s light is due to a fixed Earth in a moving star system,
not a moving Earth in a fixed star system.
 
Interestingly enough, the type of experiment Airy performed was suggested more than a
century earlier in 1766 by Josip Ruder Boškovic (1711-1787), a Jesuit
astronomer, and again by Fresnel in 1818, which may have been the source of Airy’s
idea. In 1746 Boškovic published a study on the elliptical orbits of the planets based
on the Copernican system (De Determinanda Orbita Planeta ope catoptrica, Rome
1749). He published a second edition in 1785 ( Opera Pertinentia ad Opticam et
Astronomiam, Bassan, 1785). Perhaps if Boškovic had had the good fortune to
perform an Airy-type experiment, he might have thought twice about adopting the
Copernican system.

When one reads Einstein’s works there appears to be no
ostensible concern that these experiments could “scuttle the whole
Copernican theory,” nevertheless, there is an undercurrent in his writings
that he is indeed cognizant of such implications yet does his best not to
alarm the world.

Relativity theory, by its very nature, is especially susceptible to
anti-Copemican interpretations, since for everything that Relativity
claims for itself in the way of a moving Earth in a fixed universe can
easily be “relativized” for a fixed Earth in a rotating universe. In fact,
stellar aberration was indeed a major concern of Einstein’s for that very
reason, since Relativity theory, in principle, demands equal viability for
both of the aforementioned perspectives. 492 Einstein’s concern was
justified. As we will see, Airy’s experiment threw a wrench into the
reciprocity of Relativity, for it demonstrated that it really does make a
difference whether the Earth is moving or at rest in regards to how light
from a star travels through a telescope mounted on the Earth.
Consequently, Einstein could not “relativize” the results of Airy’s
experiment, since stellar aberration provided a distinstion he could not
readily overcome. Consequently, Einstein would be forced to resort to
the ad hoc “field transformation” equations of Henrick Lorentz to answer
Airy’s results; and although others didn’t voice their opinions too loudly
for fear of being ostracized, everyone knew that Einstein’s efforts were
just mathematical fudge factors. There was one inescapable fact that
Airy’s telescope was revealing: barring any mathematical fudging, Earth
was standing still and the stars were revolving around it, not vice-versa.

ON TOP OF THAT :

Enter Augustin Jean Fresnel (1788-1827). Fresnel worked with
Arago on various occasions, and it was left to Fresnel, the more famous
of the two, to explain Arago ’s results by retaining the moving Earth
model. Both Arago and Fresnel were advocates of the wave theory of
light, and Arago asked Fresnel if it would be possible to explain the
results of his starlight experiment by the wave theory. Fresnel came up
with an ingenious answer and explained it to Arago in a letter dated...

 He postulated that there was no effect on the incidence of
starlight because the ether through which it traveled was being
“dragged,” at least partially, by the glass of the telescope. Because ether
was understood to penetrate all substances, Fresnel hypothesized that
there was a certain amount of ether trapped within the glass, and this
amount of ether would be denser than, and independent from, the ether in
the surrounding air. The key to understanding this theory is that Fresnel
held that the ether outside the glass was immobile. As the glass moved
with the Earth’s assumed movement and against the immobile ether
outside, the glass would “drag” its trapped ether with it. Thus Fresnel
conveniently concluded that Arago couldn’t detect any difference in the
speed of light because the glass in his experiment was dragging the ether
just enough in the opposite direction to the Earth’s movement so as to
mask the Earth’s speed of 30 km/sec through the immobile ether.

To understand the rationalization of Fresnel’s “drag” to explain
Arago’s results, let’s use an example. We have two telescopes, one
hollow and one filled with glass. Both telescopes are viewing the same
star. Will each telescope measure the same aberration (bending) of the
starlight? One would think that, since light bends appreciably more in
glass, that the glass telescope should show considerably more bending of
the starlight compared to the hollow telescope, just as when we put a
pencil in a glass of water and notice the pencil appear to bend in the
water. (We would notice the same bending if we put half of the pencil in
a glass cube). But as we will see shortly, all such telescopic views of
stars will show no more bending of starlight in the glass telescope than in
the hollow telescope. There is something about the incidence of starlight
received on the Earth that causes this strange phenomenon. As we will
see, the natural and least complicated answer for this phenomenon is that
Earth is not moving, and since the stars, although moving, are so very far
away, the angle of incidence of their light will be virtually the same on
one side of the Earth as on the other, that is, it will always be straight
overhead and thus cause no refraction or diffraction through our air
telescope as opposed to our glass telescopes.

Once again, how did Fresnel explain this phenomenon using the
model of an Earth moving at least 30km/sec around the sun and against
the incidence of starlight? As noted above, he claimed that the glass
telescope had a certain amount of ether contained within it that was
denser than the ether outside. When the starlight enters the glass
telescope, the extra ether, by using the Earth’s movement, had the ability
to “drag” the starlight sufficiently enough away from the immobile ether
in the air to make the light within the glass appear to equal the speed of
the starlight in the hollow telescope. Incidentally, glass could perform
this feat, according to Fresnel, because the light entering it was
understood as a wave, whereas if light were composed of particles,
Fresnel’s theory would not work.

By this clever manipulation of something he couldn’t even detect
(i.e., the ether) and a nature of light he hadn’t even proven (i.e.,
exclusively waves), Fresnel helped science avoid having to entertain a
non-moving Earth as the most likely answer to Arago’s puzzling
findings. Obviously, to those of honest persuasion, Fresnel’s explanation
appears to be a little too convenient, especially since he arrived at his
solution without any physical experimentation; rather, he merely
postulated various assumptions just so he and Arago could escape the
geocentric implications that were haunting them and the rest of the
science community. As one heliocentrist seeking to soften the blow
states:

It is possible generally to prove how Fresnel’s theory entails
that not a single optical observation will enable us to decide
whether the direction in which one sees a star has been changed
by aberration. By means of aberration we can hence not decide
whether the Earth is moving or rather the star: only that one of
the two must be moving with respect to the other can be
established. Fresnel’s theory is hence a step in the direction of
the theory of relativity .


Although “Relativity” theory would eventually be called to make
an unprecedented rescue for Copemicanism, as this saga progresses we
will see that it, too, offers no satisfactory escape from Arago or the other
stellar aberration experiments that would be performed in the coming
years. One problem led to another, and, in light of these intricate
experiments, there would be no peace for those resting on the laurels of
Copernicus and Kepler
. Obviously, in order to add some legitimacy to
Fresnel’s hypothesis, another experiment had to be devised.
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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #182 on: December 18, 2018, 12:46:32 PM »
Rabinoz, binary stars you say...hm...i've got a better idea : how about watching earth's rotation from the moon :


I know how about you present some evidence that supports your beliefs. I think that’s a much better idea than all this Moon nonsense.

You mean, something like this :



Or something like this :
The Michelson-Morley experiment was not the only one that was
of concern to Einstein, however. In fact, since Einstein was well aware
of previous experiments with the same results, he probably would have
expected a negative result from Michelson-Morley. We suspect this to be
the case since interviews with Einstein show that he was more concerned
with the results of experiments performed about 10-50 years earlier.
Robert Shankland’s interview with Einstein reveals the details:

Prof. Einstein volunteered a rather strong statement that he had
been more influenced by the Fizeau experiment on the effect of
moving water on the speed of light, and by astronomical
aberration, especially Airy’s observations with a water-filled
telescope, than by the Michelson-Morley experiment.

Why would the “Fizeau experiment” and “especially Airy’s
observations with a water-filled telescope,” cause such consternation in
the mind of Einstein? Very simply, Armand Fizeau and George Biddell
Airy’s experiments are two of the foremost evidences of a motionless
Earth ever produced by man. Einstein’s contemporary, Hendrik
Lorentz , stated quite succinctly that these experiments put unbridled fear
into the science establishment. In remarking on those same experiments
Lorentz wrote this astounding admission: “Briefly, everything occurs as
if the Earth were at rest...”

Eventually, it would take the full force of Relativity theory and its attendant
Lorentzian-derived “transformation equations” to make even an attempt at
explaining the amazing results of Fizeau, Airy and various stellar aberration
experiments.

The Michelson-Morley experiment was merely a desperate effort, using more
sophisticated equipment, to overturn Fizeau and Airy’s findings, but as
noted above, it failed to do so.

Einstein’s biographer probably didn’t even know this history
when he wrote that, after the Michelson-Morley experiment, men were
faced with the possibility of “scuttling the whole Copernican theory.”
Unlike Einstein, most such biographers have fixated on the cart but were
rather oblivious to the horse. All in all, we can say this much for
Einstein: although his theories were certainly fantastic to the point of
absurdity, at least he was smart enough to know from whence his
opposition came. In the battle for the cosmos, the unexpected results of
the Fizeau and Airy experiments had already put modern science on trial,
but since they both produced anti-Copernican results, the clarion call to
the courtroom was not being trumpeted to the rest of the world. For the
rest of his career Einstein would do everything in his power to stop it
from sounding. As van der Kamp has stated: “Yes, I think I understand
the sentiment motivating him. If we cannot prove what we a priori
‘know’ to be true [a moving Earth], then we have to find a reason why
such a proof eludes us .” And thus was born the theory of Relativity.

All claims that the Earth is moving  based on stellar aberration are presumptuous,
since from Airy’s experiment it has been proven that the necessity of tilting
a telescope to catch all of a star’s light is due to a fixed Earth in a moving star system,
not a moving Earth in a fixed star system.
 
Interestingly enough, the type of experiment Airy performed was suggested more than a
century earlier in 1766 by Josip Ruder Boškovic (1711-1787), a Jesuit
astronomer, and again by Fresnel in 1818, which may have been the source of Airy’s
idea. In 1746 Boškovic published a study on the elliptical orbits of the planets based
on the Copernican system (De Determinanda Orbita Planeta ope catoptrica, Rome
1749). He published a second edition in 1785 ( Opera Pertinentia ad Opticam et
Astronomiam, Bassan, 1785). Perhaps if Boškovic had had the good fortune to
perform an Airy-type experiment, he might have thought twice about adopting the
Copernican system.

When one reads Einstein’s works there appears to be no
ostensible concern that these experiments could “scuttle the whole
Copernican theory,” nevertheless, there is an undercurrent in his writings
that he is indeed cognizant of such implications yet does his best not to
alarm the world.

Relativity theory, by its very nature, is especially susceptible to
anti-Copemican interpretations, since for everything that Relativity
claims for itself in the way of a moving Earth in a fixed universe can
easily be “relativized” for a fixed Earth in a rotating universe. In fact,
stellar aberration was indeed a major concern of Einstein’s for that very
reason, since Relativity theory, in principle, demands equal viability for
both of the aforementioned perspectives. 492 Einstein’s concern was
justified. As we will see, Airy’s experiment threw a wrench into the
reciprocity of Relativity, for it demonstrated that it really does make a
difference whether the Earth is moving or at rest in regards to how light
from a star travels through a telescope mounted on the Earth.
Consequently, Einstein could not “relativize” the results of Airy’s
experiment, since stellar aberration provided a distinstion he could not
readily overcome. Consequently, Einstein would be forced to resort to
the ad hoc “field transformation” equations of Henrick Lorentz to answer
Airy’s results; and although others didn’t voice their opinions too loudly
for fear of being ostracized, everyone knew that Einstein’s efforts were
just mathematical fudge factors. There was one inescapable fact that
Airy’s telescope was revealing: barring any mathematical fudging, Earth
was standing still and the stars were revolving around it, not vice-versa.

You must be joking!
It would help if you employed the full stop occasionally, though I struggle to understand the point you are attempting to make.
History and the lessons of the last 100 years or so render your arguments null and void. Earth standing still! I think not.
Have you been doing a rip van twinkle? If not try and pay better attention to the lessons of the last 100 years.

Spraying copious amounts of words does not  strengthen your argument. Neither does cherry picking. As I have said numerous times quote me one of the scientists you mention who subscribes to the flat earth.

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JackBlack

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #183 on: December 18, 2018, 12:55:01 PM »
Which part you didn't understand?
The part where you are yet to provide a rational solution to the paradox.

Once again, just for you :
Repeating the same BS won't magically make it true.

If you think there is something relevant in there to solving that massive paradox of yours, provide it without all the BS surrounding it.

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JackBlack

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #184 on: December 18, 2018, 12:55:44 PM »
Spraying copious amounts of words does not  strengthen your argument. Neither does cherry picking. As I have said numerous times quote me one of the scientists you mention who subscribes to the flat earth.
He accepts Earth is round by claims it is stationary.

He also thinks that if you can show it doesn't orbit it magically means it doesn't rotate either.

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rabinoz

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #185 on: December 18, 2018, 02:54:31 PM »
Please read: Why do lunar landing deniers post deceptive photos? :( :( :(.
If you want to restore any trace of credibility you ever had you will post that NASA reference number of that Lunar Buggy/Earth "photo".
Quote from: cikljamas
Or something like this :
The Michelson-Morley experiment
Again, all MM does is help show that aether is BS.

Remember the paradox you are yet to solve?
You have Earth moving w.r.t. the aether, but at rest w.r.t. the aether.
An impossibility.

Which part you didn't understand? Once again, just for you :
Which part of stellar aberration didn't you understand? Here try again:
The way the Stellar Aberration varies over the year and with latitude provide solid evidence that the orbits earth the sun with an orbital velocity of about 30 km/s.

But as "icing on the cake" the Stellar Aberration from binary stars is further evidence (as if it's needed) that Stellar Aberration is due the orbital motion of the earth and not the motion of the stars.

I do hope that you read this carefully: Geocentrism and Stellar Aberration: Illuminating the Earth’s Motion.

You're getting nothing out of me until you face up to you deal with Stellar Aberration

Either give a valid geocentric explanation that explains all observed phenomena or run away and hide your head - your choice.

Now stop presenting more garbage until you've tidied up the mess you've made up till now.

PS There is no luminiferous aether of the kind demanded by early theories on the propagation of light and the earth rotates and orbits the sun.
     Refer to Bradley (as above), the Michelson-Gale-Pearson Experiment and the numerous modern versions of it.

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cikljamas

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #186 on: December 18, 2018, 03:07:52 PM »
If you think there is something relevant in there to solving that massive paradox of yours, provide it without all the BS surrounding it.

*1.* Telescope filled with air :
30 000 / 300 000 000 = 0,0001
0,0001 (ctg) = 0,005729577
0,005729577 * 3600 = 20,62''

Telescope filled with water :
40 000 / 300 000 000 = 0,000133333
0,000133333 (ctg) = 0,007639437
0,007639437 * 3600 = 27,5''

*2.* http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers-Mechanics%20/%20Electrodynamics/Download/2029

*3.* Airy’s Failure, FECORE’s Success
George Biddle Airy was born in 1801. At age 35, he was appointed Astronomer Royal at the national observatory in Greenwich, UK. He had many prestigious positions and created several noteworthy theories during his illustrious life. FECORE’s newest project is a repeat of an observation Airy published in 1871, which was counted as a failure. It has come to be known as “Airy’s Failure.” But it was called at the time The Water Telescope of the Royal Observatory.
That this observation should be called a “failure” is significant. Airy made an accurate observation of a fact of nature. Yet it was dubbed a failure.
FECORE has decided to perform the same test Airy did using modern equipment that can produce more exact measurements. The angle of our instrument will be set by high-precision stepper motors with digitally controlled inputs which are expected to result in more accuracy than the instruments used in 1871.
We believe it’s possible to build two telescopes with equal refraction properties, and then mount them side by side with the line between them being perpendicular to the direction of the movement between earth and the stars. Verification that both scopes have the exact same refraction properties would be simple. When both have only air and are tilted at the exact same angle, then the star will be visible in the same location in both eyepieces at the same instant. Real-time video captured from both scopes is an observation that was not possible in 1871. As we do this test real time video from both telescopes will give visual proof that both scopes were equal.
This dual-scope feature would allow the actual observation data to be not just numbers, but real time video capture to prove the fact. We plan to complete this test within 12 months.

READ MORE : https://fecore.org/airys-failure-fecores-success/
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cikljamas

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #187 on: December 18, 2018, 03:46:06 PM »
Enter Albert Einstein . To save the world from having to
reconnect itself with the Middle Ages, Einstein set his mind to finding an
explanation to the Michelson-Morley experiment . Most people don’t
realize, and even less would admit it, but Relativity was created for one
main reason
: so that mankind would not be forced to admit that Earth
was standing still in space
. As his contemporary, Max von Laue stated:

Thus, a new epoch in physics created a new mechanics... it
began, we might say, with the question as to what effect the
motion of the Earth has on physical processes which take place
on the Earth... we can assign to the dividing line between
epochs a precise date: It was on September 26, 1905, that
Albert Einstein’s investigation entitled “On the
Electrodynamics of Bodies in Motion”
appeared in the Annalen
der Physik
.

In fact, Einstein would be called “a new Copernicus.
Unbeknownst to the world, however, Einstein’s explanation would not
only require a total revamping of science, it would necessitate the
acceptance of what The Times of London called “an affront to common
sense
,” forcing his fellow man to accept principles and postulates that
heretofore would have been considered completely absurd. Einstein
would require men to believe that matter shrunk in length and increased
in mass when it moved, that clocks slowed down, that two people could
age at different rates, that space was curved, that time and space would
meld into one, and many other strange concepts. But in the end, as we
will see unfold before us in a most ironic drama, what Einstein’s Special
Relativity took away with the left hand, his General Relativity restored
ten years later with the right hand.



















In 1843, John C. Adams, and later Urbain Leverrier in 1846, used
Newtonian mechanics to predict the orbit of Neptune. In 1851 Jean
Foucault published his experiments on the pendulum. All of these
events were leaning toward the adoption of the Copernican system, yet
none of them provided any real proof. Since no one, including
Copernicus and Galileo, had ever proved that the Earth was moving, then
as long as there was the possibility of explaining these experiments by
assuming a non-moving Earth, then modern science was at a crossroads.
But the pressure was mounting against the Copernicans, for Hoek
countered Fresnel, and Airy countered Bradley and Fizeau, and Mascart
put the icing on the cake. So now, even though the science community
was silent, geocentrism was the unconquerable foe of the Copernicans.
As van der Kamp observes:

Hence it can be argued that Fresnel’s theory holds for
transparent substances moving through an ether at rest in that
ether. Which is tantamount to saying that Hoek and Airy
(observer and substance both at rest), Fizeau (observer at rest,
substance in motion) and Michelson and Morley, all five of
them have with one accord been vainly striving to show that
the Earth is not at rest.
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rabinoz

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #188 on: December 18, 2018, 03:54:26 PM »
<< Stop posting more fairy stories >>
Answer stellar aberration or run away!

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JackBlack

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #189 on: December 18, 2018, 05:14:43 PM »
*1.* Telescope filled with air :
You have a bunch of numbers. Just what do you think this will prove?
Are you making the same mistake?

*2.*
If you can't explain it yourself, why should I bother checking out your link?

*3.* Airy’s Failure, FECORE’s Success
And once again you go off on a little tangent rant, being completely unable to back up your nonsense.

Spouting loads of nonsense wont help your case.
You need to explain how the aether is moving w.r.t. Earth and stationary w.r.t. Earth at the same time, or find a rational way to explain away the observations of stellar aberration and MM which still use aether.
So far the best you have is that all the stars are in on a conspiracy to make it appear like Earth orbits the sun.
I think I will stick to the simpler idea of aether being a load of crap, especially due to it already needing such ridiculous properties, like being a solid, yet objets being able to pass through it with no resistance.

Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #190 on: December 18, 2018, 05:18:05 PM »
Maybe jane has a mathmatical proof that shows ampunt of words is proportional the veracity of proof.

Either that or chikikikijamamam has a word contest with sando that we are unaware of.

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JCM

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #191 on: December 18, 2018, 05:47:05 PM »
The real distortion of science by cickljames is that he knows none of those scientists think the Earth is flat or that the Earth is stationary.  Einstein said it was difficult to make a test that showed the rotation, not that the Earth wasn’t moving.   There is a massive difference.   We can make observations that prove the Earth is moving, but a test in laboratory settings are another thing entirely.  The failure to distinguish that and to misrepresent these scientists is indicative of his willful misuse of their life’s work.

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rabinoz

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #192 on: December 18, 2018, 06:02:01 PM »
Maybe jane has a mathmatical proof that shows ampunt of words is proportional the veracity of proof.

Either that or chikikikijamamam has a word contest with sando that we are unaware of.
Let me fix that a mathematical proof that shows that the number of words is inversely proportional to the veracity of proof.
And this paper is not all that long ON THE ELECTRODYNAMICS OF MOVING BODIES, By A. Einstein June 30, 1905 (AKA "The Theory of Special Relativity").

Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #193 on: December 18, 2018, 06:18:36 PM »
Hahah well this place doesnt really count as a "peer reviewed" place for journals and publishing theories.

Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #194 on: December 19, 2018, 10:17:22 AM »
The real distortion of science by cickljames is that he knows none of those scientists think the Earth is flat or that the Earth is stationary.  Einstein said it was difficult to make a test that showed the rotation, not that the Earth wasn’t moving.   There is a massive difference.   We can make observations that prove the Earth is moving, but a test in laboratory settings are another thing entirely.  The failure to distinguish that and to misrepresent these scientists is indicative of his willful misuse of their life’s work.

Indeed, some FEers on this site love to cherry pick from the vine of science, quoting scientists who would never in a million years subscribe to the idea that the earth was flat. A total misappropriation of science.

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rabinoz

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #195 on: December 19, 2018, 01:53:22 PM »
The real distortion of science by cickljames is that he knows none of those scientists think the Earth is flat or that the Earth is stationary.  Einstein said it was difficult to make a test that showed the rotation, not that the Earth wasn’t moving.   There is a massive difference.   We can make observations that prove the Earth is moving, but a test in laboratory settings are another thing entirely.  The failure to distinguish that and to misrepresent these scientists is indicative of his willful misuse of their life’s work.

Indeed, some FEers on this site love to cherry pick from the vine of science, quoting scientists who would never in a million years subscribe to the idea that the earth was flat. A total misappropriation of science.
Why do ChickenMess et al ignore all recent work on laser gyros?
Every time modern passenger aircraft initialise their INS they prove that the earth rotates to sufficient precision to determine their latitude accurately enough to check the pilot's entry of Lat/Long.

100% Proof that Earth Spins! Aircraft Laser Gyroscopes, Shnaz Shin.

And a flat-earther, Bob Knodel, "got his hands on" one of these $20,000 ring laser gyroscopes and proved that . . . . watch the video from 3:38 (long version):
The short version:

EARTH ROTATION DETECTED BY BOB KNODEL, shmick Shmick
          The long version:

Flat Earthers Jeranism and Bob Debunk Themselves ;D
And here are Bob Knodel's reactions to, surprise surprise, finding that this expensive gyro measure the earth's rotation at (about) 15°/hour (which he calls "15°/hour drift"):
"What we found is when we turned on that gyroscope we were picking up a drift, a 15°/hour drift. ;D"
How does a flat-earther react to evidence like this? "We obviously were not willing to accept that ::), so we started looking for ways to disprove . . . . "
So he tries to shield the gyroscope for the "HEAVENLY ENERGIES" from the "rotation sky" - first in a "zero gauss chamber" then in a "BISMUTH CHAMBER ???".

Interesting?


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cikljamas

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #196 on: December 19, 2018, 04:24:44 PM »
THE EARTH IS AT REST - DIRECTIONAL GYRO SLAM DUNK :


Enter Armand Fizeau (1821-1896), the very person whose
experiments Einstein mentions as a major cause for concern and the
impetus for his invention of Relativity theory. Fizeau needed to prove
Fresnel’s “drag” theory so as to have a physical, not merely
theoretical/mathematical, answer for Arago’s results. So horrible were
the implications of Arago’s experiments that counter-experiments such
as the one Fizeau would soon undertake were described as an attempt to
“find the ether” or “discover the nature of the ether” rather than what
was truly at stake - finding out whether the Earth was really moving or
not.
Scientists strictly avoided language suggesting that the Earth could
be motionless, for the system of Copernicus, although without a shred of
proof, was the holy grail of the science establishment, and no one dare
trespass its domain.
Whereas the nineteenth century experimenters often
camouflaged their worries that Earth could be standing still in space by
referring instead to a “motionless ether,” twentieth century
commentators after Einstein consistently avoided the geocentric
implications of the nineteenth century experiments by turning the issue
into one of “searching in vain for” or “abandoning” the elusive ether
once they found out that the experiments invariably led to the possibility
of a motionless Earth. To get a feeling of this sentiment, the reader need
only recall the words of Edwin Hubble we cited earlier: to Hubble,
finding the Earth in the center of the universe would be “intolerable” and
a “horror” that “must be rejected.


In The Ethereal Ether, Loyd Swenson summarizes Michelson’s options as: “1. The
Earth passes through the ether without appreciable influence; 2. The length of all bodies
is altered (equally?) by their motion through ether; 3. The Earth in its motion drags with
it the ether even at distances of many thousands of kilometers from its surface” (Austin,
University of Texas, 1972, p. 118, cited in De Lahore Solis, p. 36, parenthetical
“equally” included by Michelson). Van der Kamp remarks: “...this lifelong
agnostic. . .Michelson. . .appears on one issue not in the least agnostic, but as firmly a
fundamentalist Copernican believer. . .There is no place in Michelson’s only partially
agnostic tunnel-vision for possibility Number Four
[i.e., that Earth is motionless in
space]. . .Yet. . .a geocentric explanation of the enigmas encountered. . .stares. . .any
open-minded down-to-Earth scientist in the face when he surveys all those abortive
efforts to disqualify it... In Michelson’s heliocentrically preconditioned mind the
obvious corollary, a simple straightforward geocentric hypothesis, did not get a chance
to rear its unwanted head. . .Michelson searched for and found those three helpful ad
hoes, three pretexts able to ward off a disturbing and unwanted perspective” (ibid., pp.
36-37, 42).

Again, as we noted earlier, here was additional evidence, from an
even more sophisticated machine specifically designed to vindicate
Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler and Newton, yet it failed, miserably failed.
Unfortunately, the scientists interpreting Airy, Hoek and Michelson-
Morley simply did not want to consider a motionless Earth as even a
possible solution
to these astounding experiments
. They “knew” the
Earth revolved around the sun, and thus they set their heart toward
finding other solutions to the problem. As Einstein’s biographer
describes it:

In the United States Albert Michelson and Edward Morley had
performed an experiment which confronted scientists with an
appalling choice. Designed to show the existence of the ether,
at that time considered essential, it had yielded a null result,
leaving science with the alternatives of tossing aside the key
which had helped to explain the phenomena of electricity,
magnetism, and light or of deciding that the Earth was not in
fact moving at all
. 52]

If they were set on refusing to consider that the Earth was
standing still in space, this left them with two more options to explain its
results. As Clark records it:

The second was that the ether was carried along by the Earth in
its passage through space, a possibility which had already been
ruled out to the satisfaction of the scientific community by a
number of experiments, notably those of the English
astronomer James Bradley. The third solution was that the
ether simply did not exist, which to many nineteenth century
scientists was equivalent to scrapping current views of light,
electricity, and magnetism, and starting again .

Henri Poincare compared it to a “crisis.”
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sokarul

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #197 on: December 19, 2018, 04:56:05 PM »
If you want to live in the 1800's try this:

"Jean Bernard Léon Foucault (French: [ʒɑ̃ bɛʁnaʁ leɔ̃ fuko]; 18 September 1819 – 11 February 1868) was a French physicist best known for his demonstration of the Foucault pendulum, a device demonstrating the effect of the Earth's rotation. He also made an early measurement of the speed of light, discovered eddy currents, and is credited with naming the gyroscope."
ANNIHILATOR OF  SHIFTER

It's no slur if it's fact.

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JackBlack

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #198 on: December 19, 2018, 05:34:39 PM »
THE EARTH IS AT REST - DIRECTIONAL GYRO SLAM DUNK :
I see more pathetic distractions.
Again, the topic we are already discussing in part, the Sagnac effect, shows that Earth is rotating.

Before we move onto anything else you need to either admit the aether model is wrong or provide a rational solution to the paradox of a moving but stationary aether.

Yes, many people back then, and even some today like you and Sandy, were/are desperate to cling to the impossible aether rather than discard it as the garbage that it is.

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rabinoz

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #199 on: December 19, 2018, 06:53:03 PM »
THE EARTH IS AT REST - DIRECTIONAL GYRO SLAM DUNK :

No the "DIRECTIONAL GYRO" is not a "SLAM DUNK" in the way you think.
It's simply a "SLAM DUNK" proof that you don't have the slightest understanding of the "DIRECTIONAL GYRO".
But read this again!
Every time modern passenger aircraft initialise their INS they prove that the earth rotates to sufficient precision to determine their latitude accurately enough to check the pilot's entry of Lat/Long.

100% Proof that Earth Spins! Aircraft Laser Gyroscopes, Shnaz Shin.

And a flat-earther, Bob Knodel, "got his hands on" one of these $20,000 ring laser gyroscopes and proved that . . . . watch the video from 3:38 (long version):
The short version:

EARTH ROTATION DETECTED BY BOB KNODEL, shmick Shmick
          The long version:

Flat Earthers Jeranism and Bob Debunk Themselves ;D
And here are Bob Knodel's reactions to, surprise surprise, finding that this expensive gyro measure the earth's rotation at (about) 15°/hour (which he calls "15°/hour drift"):
"What we found is when we turned on that gyroscope we were picking up a drift, a 15°/hour drift. ;D"
How does a flat-earther react to evidence like this? "We obviously were not willing to accept that ::), so we started looking for ways to disprove . . . . "
So he tries to shield the gyroscope for the "HEAVENLY ENERGIES" from the "rotation sky" - first in a "zero gauss chamber" then in a "BISMUTH CHAMBER ???".
Note that this Bob Knodel, a flat-earth electrical engineer, finds that his expensive gyro measures the earth's rotation at (about) 15°/hour (which he calls "15°/hour drift"):
He states "What we found is when we turned on that gyroscope we were picking up a drift, a 15°/hour drift. ;D"
Then "We obviously were not willing to accept that ::), so we started looking for ways to disprove . . . . "

Like you, Mr Cikljamas, Bob Knodel refuses to consider evidence that goes against his TRUTH.

And I'm waiting for a response to:
Answer stellar aberration or run away!
And I'm waiting for a response to:
Please read: Why do lunar landing deniers post deceptive photos? :( :( :(.
Does one have to post deceptive "photos" and ignore all recent evidence to be a Geocentrist?

PS Do you accept the Newtonian Laws of Motion and Universal Gravitation?
      Because I'm certain that all the old astronomers and scientists you love to quote from certainly did accept them.

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rabinoz

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #200 on: December 19, 2018, 07:48:42 PM »
THE EARTH IS AT REST - DIRECTIONAL GYRO SLAM DUNK :

That video is totally useless.
I do wish that the science deniers that make these videos would stop pretending that they know so much more about aircraft instruments that the makers and pilots.
Please read: PILOTFRIEND, FIXED WING FLIGHT TRAINING,  Direction/Heading indicator
Here are a few salient points:
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DG’s are used because they are not effected by magnetic disturbances or have turning errors inherent to the compass. They are susceptible to gyroscopic precession which are errors due to the mechanical friction imposed on the spinning gyroscope.
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Because the heading indicator has no direction-seeking qualities of its own, it must be set to agree with the magnetic compass. This should be done only on the ground or in straight-and-level, unaccelerated flight when magnetic compass indications are steady and reliable.

The pilot should set the heading indicator by turning the heading indicator reset knob at the bottom of the instrument to set the compass card to the correct magnetic heading.
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The pilot of a light aircraft should check the heading indicator against the magnetic compass at least every 15 minutes to assure accuracy. Because the magnetic compass is subject to certain errors , the pilot should ensure that these errors are not transferred to the heading indicator.

errors

Other sources of precession error include unbalanced gyro components and the effect of the earth's rotation. The latter effect depends upon the position of the instrument in relation to the earth, and is not appreciable unless a flight involves considerable change in latitude. 

An apparent error frequently results from misuse of the magnetic compass when the directional gyro is set. Unless magnetic deviations are applied, the indicator may appear to drift several degrees after a turn is completed. Another common error results from failure to maintain straight-and-level flight while reading the magnetic compass for the heading to set in the directional gyro. Errors in the magnetic compass induced by attitude changes are thus duplicated in the heading indicator. 

The instrument should be checked at least every 15 minutes during flight and reset to the correct heading. An error of no more than 3° in 15 minutes is acceptable for normal operations.

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cikljamas

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #201 on: December 20, 2018, 06:28:10 AM »
THE EARTH IS AT REST - DIRECTIONAL GYRO SLAM DUNK :

That video is totally useless.

Isn't that absolutely amazing disclosure?
You have to claim that directional gyros drift (due to the rotational motion of the earth) because that would have to be the case if the earth indeed rotated on it's axis.
However, you can't prove your claim experimentally.
At least, not by using classical (mechanical) directional gyro.
Rob Durham made this video with that exact purpose : TO EXPERIMENTALY VERIFY THE TRUENESS OF A GYRO-DRIFT MYTH :



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Now, let's see how to properly undestand the following qoute of yours :
"The pilot of a light aircraft should check the heading indicator against the magnetic compass at least every 15 minutes to assure accuracy. Because the magnetic compass is subject to certain errors , the pilot should ensure that these errors are not transferred to the heading indicator."

So if magnetic compass is subject to certain errors, then how you can ensure that tese errors are not transferred to the heading indicator?

And if magnetic compass were more accurate heading indicators than directional gyros, what would be the purpose of using directional gyros (as a main instruments for the directional orientation of an aircraft) in the first place?

I asked one guy (you can find our conversation below DIRECTIONAL GYRO SLAM DUNK video) :

If you point (and lock/calibrate) your gyrocompass to the north and then travel 60 degrees to the East (or to the West), how come gyrocompass can still indicate north???
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Vladimir Novakovic replied :

+odiupicku
If you calibrate the gyro to point to the north, ie the compass hand and the gyro are parallel,  then travel 60 degs to the east, then at the destination the compass hand would be 60 degrees counter clockwise offset from the gyro (ie gyro hand would show 60 degrees East), and you would know that you are 60 degrees east of the point you started from

If the Earth was rotating, the compass offset would not be 60 degrees at the destination, as the offset would depend also on the angle the Earth rotated at that particular latitude for the time of the travel, so a complicated (Faucault) calculation would be needed to tell you as how much to the east you've traveled exactly?

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In one other reply in croatian language he explained to me when and how drifting can occur :

Vladimir Novakovic
1 year ago
Ja sam isto kupio taj gyro sa videa, od gyroscope.com, i radio sam experimente.
Taj drift se desava ako gyro nije perfektno balansiran, ako jedna strana vuce, onda se on ceo rotira, a precesija nastaje kada pretera. Morao sam da zasrafim par srafova da ga balansiram (jer nije dosao pefrektno balansiran) i onda su precesije prestale. I zalio sam se gyroscope.com sto nije balansiran, i oni mi odgovorili, da im nije ni bio cilj da bude perfektno balansiran... Takodje, trenje na dve tacke od ose moze biti razlicito, platfoma ne idealno horizontalna, itd.

Translation :

I bought that same gyro (heading indicator) at gyroscope.com, and i conducted the same kind of an experiments. The drifting can happen if gyro is not perfectly balanced, then precession can occur. I had to fastened a few screws to balance it (because it hadn't been balanced originally) and then precessions have ceased to occur. I had complained to gyroscope.com for sending me unbalanced gyro, and they replied that it was/is not their intention to deliver to their customers perfectly balanced gyros. Some other reasons can induce precession, as well (for example : if the platform is not perfectly horizontal etc...).

The results of the Sagnac experiment, the MGP experiment and the Brillet and Hall experiment, all indicate that one can effectively measure rotation by optical means, whether the interferometer is rotating or not.  Given the required resolution, a rotating interferometer will always be capable of optically measuring its own rate of rotation, as well as  that of the revolving frame on which its axis of rotation is inertially at rest. A stationary interferometer can only electromagnetically measure the rate of rotation of the revolving frame on which it is inertially at rest.

No relativist today would dream of disputing the findings of the Sagnac experiment. Most transoceanic planes, nuclear submarines and communications satellites navigate today with laser ring gyroscopes that utilize the Sagnac effect for position location. The accuracy of the original Sagnac experiment has been estimated at 1:100, but a repetition of the Sagnac experiment with lasers, in 1963, by Macek and Davis, confirmed the result to 1:10^12.

Curiously, many relativists and experimentalists get caught in their ignorance of the Sagnac effect. In 1979, Brillet and Hall reported a null result (absence of frequency shift) with frequency-locked laser beams, one set in a rotating interferometer, and the other kept stationary, and thus concluded  in favour of the isotropy of space. However, not only did they observe a 50 Hz signal at precisely the rotation rate of the turntable employed, but also another more troublesome signal, at 17Hz.

Aspden, who has suggested  that  the null result may well be  the  inevitable consequence of such  frequency-locked  laser  tests because "the frequency of the lasers will adjust to the reorientation of the apparatus exactly to cancel any effect due to motion through the  light-reference frame", commented on the 17Hz frequency shift findings of Brillet and Hall, which had been ignored by them as a "persistent spurious signal":

"Interpreting  the 17 Hz signal as the second harmonic of table rotation found by Brillet and Hall in relation to the laser frequency 8.85*1013 Hz, we find the ratio 1.92*10^-13 and, as  this  is 0.131  (v/c)^2, we  find  that v/c  is 1.21*10^-6, giving v as 363 m/sec.   If our theory is correct then, within the errors of measurement, this should be the west-east speed of  earth  rotation  at Boulder, Colorado.  Being  at  40°N, Boulder  has,  in  fact,  an  earth rotation speed of 355 m/sec." Apparently, Brillet and Hall were conducting a control on the MGP experiment using the Sagnac effect to detect the earth's speed of rotation and with the required resolution, without knowing it!

More recently still, there have been confirmations of  the Sagnac effect for electrons and neutrons. In 1993, Hasselbach and Nicklaus reported a shift of 0.06 fringes using rotating electron beams. The result clearly indicates that atmospheric charges flow faster westward than in the opposite direction.  Werner et al confirmed the Sagnac effect with neutron interferometry. With a swiveling apparatus, they showed that if the interferometer rotated  in  a N-S  plane  the  effect was extinguished, whereas in a W-E plane it was  at a maximum.

---The only acceptable conclusion that can be drawn from these two experiments, Michelson–Morley, on the one hand, and Michelson–Gale, on the other hand, is that the hypothesis of the existence of a medium of propagation for light is not tenable, unless we accept geocentric implications from the combined effect of both experiments (MM and MGP). In the classical context, it is clear that the Sagnac effect cannot at all be explained, unless we admit that the earth is at rest while the whole universe rotates around the stationary earth.
Completely wrong.
Firstly, it wouldn't matter if Earth was rotating with the aether at rest, Earth was at rest with the aether rotating around Earth, or both rotating around the axis of Earth. All three would produce the same result.

But more importantly, that ignores stellar aberration, which makes sense in the context of Earth having a speed of roughly 30 km/s.
The detection of stellar aberration combined with the MM experiment refutes the aether model entirely.

1. Let's consider hypotesis No 1 : "If Earth was rotating with the aether at rest" :

If we assumed that the earth is rotating with the aether at rest then we would have to deal with totally different kind of problem :
Instead of being unable to detect earth's orbital motion (Joos' upper limit = 1,54 km/s), and being able (by Michelson, Gale and Pearson) to establish (and confirm (by others) with different methods (see above)) an exact daily rotational velocity of an aether (even exactly matching expected speeds for a given latitudes), in such hypothetical situation (HC scenario) we would have to face quite an opposite difficulty : since the orbital velocity of the earth is almost 100 times greater than the earth's alleged rotational velocity at 40° N latitude, MGP kind of an experiments would yield much higher results (than expected), and MM kind of an experiments would regularly register exactly 108 000 km of earth's orbital velocity. 

2. Let's consider hypotesis No 2 : "Earth was at rest with the aether rotating around Earth" :

This is perfectly in accordance with reality : no orbital motion of the earth, no rotational motion of the earth, and an aether rotates around the motionless earth once per day.

3. Let's consider hypotesis No 3 : "or both rotating around the axis of Earth" :

This is utter nonsense, and here is why :

A) Aether rotates in the same direction of earths rotation twice faster than the earth : This would be the only way how someone could   
measure 363 m/s for the rotational speed of aether (around rotational earth) at 40°N.

PROBLEM : Wrong direction of aether's rotation. (atmospheric charges wouldn't flow faster westward, but eastward)

B) Aether rotates with the same speed of the earth in the same direction of earth's rotation.

PROBLEM : Atmospheric charges wouldn't flow faster neither westward nor eastward.

C) Aether rotates in an opposite direction of earth's rotation (at any speed).

PROBLEM : We would measure rotational speed of a rotating aether which would exceed earth's rotational speed.

ON TOP OF THAT : All three solutions (A,B,C) would be of a minor significance (if any significance at all) since we wouldn't be able to measure rotational speed of an aether around the rotating earth since the speed of aether flow due to orbital motion of the earth would be much (100 times) higher than the speed of an aether due to rotational motion of the earth (see No 1, above).
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JackBlack

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #202 on: December 20, 2018, 12:06:53 PM »
Isn't that absolutely amazing disclosure?
Sure. Notice how you are yet to provide any solution to the paradox you need to?

Repeating the same ignorant baseless BS wont magically make it true.

Now then, how is your magic aether stationary w.r.t. Earth and moving w.r.t. Earth?
Until you solve this massive paradox, any mention of aether is just another blatant lie from you.

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rabinoz

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Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #203 on: December 20, 2018, 02:59:43 PM »
<< Ignored >>
And I'm waiting for a response to:
Answer stellar aberration or run away!
And I'm waiting for a response to:
Please read: Why do lunar landing deniers post deceptive photos? :( :( :(.
Does one have to post deceptive "photos" and ignore all recent evidence to be a Geocentrist?

PS Do you accept the Newtonian Laws of Motion and Universal Gravitation?
      Because I'm certain that all the old astronomers and scientists you love to quote from certainly did accept them.

Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #204 on: December 27, 2018, 02:23:30 PM »
I think it’s now obvious to even the most casual reader that flat earthers distort science to fit their own particular narrow requirements, irrespective of the dictates that science requires; such as repeatable verifiable evidence through experimentation.

Their aim is rather than to seek the truth is to find the more obscure parts of science that with some manipulation can be bent to suit their beliefs. The actual truth of the matter never being an issue.

FE believers constantly quote and cherry pick work of certain scientists from the late 19thC and early 20thC who were advocates of the existance of the aether, which 150 years ago was considered quite mainstream. The fact that none of these scientist, Sagnac, Michelson or Morley believed in a flat earth is never ever mentioned.  Time has moved on and new discoveries, along with space flight has shown the aether to have been no more than one of many scientific  blind alleys.

They mention the work of Nobel prize winners in an effort to bolster their beliefs, while failing to mention that none of these Nobel prize winners shared their flat earth beliefs. No astronomer, physicist or any scientist of note for that matter has ever come out proclaiming the earth is flat.

No part of science supports the existance of a flat earth. It goes without saying that any ‘science’ used to support FE belief must therefore be distorted science.


Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #205 on: February 20, 2019, 03:35:41 AM »
Einstein’s most famous prediction, E = mc2

Einstein's report card:



6 is rock bottom

1 is top grade


Um, you have that the wrong way round. This is from 1896 and 6 was actually the top grade with 1 being the lowest grade. Can't believe no one thought to check your statement about that.

He passed all those things you say he failed.

Have you no shame?

Re: The distortion of science
« Reply #206 on: February 20, 2019, 02:48:31 PM »
Einstein’s most famous prediction, E = mc2

Einstein's report card:



6 is rock bottom

1 is top grade


Um, you have that the wrong way round. This is from 1896 and 6 was actually the top grade with 1 being the lowest grade. Can't believe no one thought to check your statement about that.

He passed all those things you say he failed.

Have you no shame?


It’s the flat earth way, make things up, tell lies and never answer direct questions.