Falling does not work with flatearth.

If the earth moves upward at 9,8 meters, should not objects fall at a constant speed?
We know, the longer something/someone falls, the faster it/he gets.
Explain...

If the earth moves upward at 9,8 meters, should not objects fall at a constant speed?
We know, the longer something/someone falls, the faster it/he gets.
Explain...

The earth doesnt move upwards.
Falling has to do with the density of matter and its mass being squeezed downwards as it is being pushed by  great  layers of atmosphere above us.

Imagine you are living in the bottom of a lake that has a height of 1 km.
You are stacked under 1km of water pressure that pushes you down.

Atmosphere within the earth pushes you down.

does not work with a flat disc, there is no atmosphere in fe theory.
read the wiki. It can not be possible that every fe disagrees with any1 else.

If the earth moves upward at 9,8 meters, should not objects fall at a constant speed?
We know, the longer something/someone falls, the faster it/he gets.
Explain...

According to FE theory, earth accelerates at 9.8m/s^2 upwards.

The flat earth reasoning is that the earth is accelerating at 9.8m/s², Not moving at 9.8 m/s.  Therefore, things do accelerate towards the ground.

Also, don't listen to the scepti alt about the air pressure causing things to fall.  If that were the case, things would float in a vacuum, or at least weigh less.

The flat earth reasoning is that the earth is accelerating at 9.8m/s², Not moving at 9.8 m/s.  Therefore, things do accelerate towards the ground.

Also, don't listen to the scepti alt about the air pressure causing things to fall.  If that were the case, things would float in a vacuum, or at least weigh less.

You have been told million times that a true vacuum cant exist at least in our physical eyes.
For everything to be seen,it needs a medium/matter through which it can be seen.Vacuum means no matter at all.

Then if you were to push pressure out of the chamber, to create 1psi atmosphere inside the chamber,
the outer created high pressured enviroment would completely destroy the whole construction,
as high pressure rushes to equalise the low pressure enviroment.

Quote from: Stufferus on July 19, 2015, 11:41:47 AM

If the earth moves upward at 9,8 meters, should not objects fall at a constant speed?
We know, the longer something/someone falls, the faster it/he gets.
Explain...

The earth doesnt move upwards.
Falling has to do with the density of matter and its mass being squeezed downwards as it is being pushed by  great  layers of atmosphere above us.

Imagine you are living in the bottom of a lake that has a height of 1 km.
You are stacked under 1km of water pressure that pushes you down.

Both the feather drop video and my videos show no change in a vacuum. This is not possible according to what you say. So no, atmosphere is not gravity.

Quote from: Stufferus on July 19, 2015, 11:41:47 AM

If the earth moves upward at 9,8 meters, should not objects fall at a constant speed?
We know, the longer something/someone falls, the faster it/he gets.
Explain...

The earth doesnt move upwards.
Falling has to do with the density of matter and its mass being squeezed downwards as it is being pushed by  great  layers of atmosphere above us.

Imagine you are living in the bottom of a lake that has a height of 1 km.
You are stacked under 1km of water pressure that pushes you down.

This is the reason you can flap your arms and fly on a windy day.

Quote from: BJ1234 on July 19, 2015, 03:19:25 PM

The flat earth reasoning is that the earth is accelerating at 9.8m/s², Not moving at 9.8 m/s.  Therefore, things do accelerate towards the ground.

Also, don't listen to the scepti alt about the air pressure causing things to fall.  If that were the case, things would float in a vacuum, or at least weigh less.

You have been told million times that a true vacuum cant exist at least in our physical eyes.
For everything to be seen,it needs a medium/matter through which it can be seen.Vacuum means no matter at all.

And you have been told million times that you are being pedantic and that no one claims that we have created a true vacuum other than you do scepti.

 
Then if you were to push pressure out of the chamber, to create 1psi atmosphere inside the chamber,
the outer created high pressured enviroment would completely destroy the whole construction,
as high pressure rushes to equalise the low pressure enviroment.

Yet there are vacuum chambers with far less than 1psi of pressure inside and they are not crushed by the 14.7 psi of the atmosphere. 

Quote from: BJ1234 on July 19, 2015, 03:19:25 PM

The flat earth reasoning is that the earth is accelerating at 9.8m/s², Not moving at 9.8 m/s.  Therefore, things do accelerate towards the ground.

Also, don't listen to the scepti alt about the air pressure causing things to fall.  If that were the case, things would float in a vacuum, or at least weigh less.

You have been told million times that a true vacuum cant exist at least in our physical eyes.
For everything to be seen,it needs a medium/matter through which it can be seen.Vacuum means no matter at all.

Then if you were to push pressure out of the chamber, to create 1psi atmosphere inside the chamber,
the outer created high pressured enviroment would completely destroy the whole construction,
as high pressure rushes to equalise the low pressure enviroment.

The vacuum chamber only has to withstand 14.7 psi,   that's when there is ZERO psi inside the vacuum chamber.    It's easy enough to build a vacuum chamber to handle that sort of pressure.
But you don't need to go that far to disprove denspressure,   just climb to a mountain top,   check for yourself that the atmospheric pressure has dropped,  but your weight hasn't.
Or even if you don't want to climb a mountain,  wait until the weather changes and a low pressure region moves in,  then you can see if you weigh less on stormy days. 

Denspressure is possibly one of the more stupid theories that get floated by flat earthers,  it is so full of contradictions and fails to reflect that happens in the real world, and that is the reason just about everyone abandonded it, in favour of Universal Acceleration.   Which, although it still doesn't make sense, but is a lot closer to reality than denspressure garbage.

just about everyone abandonded it, in favour of Universal Acceleration.   

Are you claiming people abandoned denpressure in favour of universal acceleration If so, whom?
Or are you making shit up again?

Quote from: panoslydios on July 19, 2015, 03:59:38 PM

Quote from: BJ1234 on July 19, 2015, 03:19:25 PM

The flat earth reasoning is that the earth is accelerating at 9.8m/s², Not moving at 9.8 m/s.  Therefore, things do accelerate towards the ground.

Also, don't listen to the scepti alt about the air pressure causing things to fall.  If that were the case, things would float in a vacuum, or at least weigh less.

You have been told million times that a true vacuum cant exist at least in our physical eyes.
For everything to be seen,it needs a medium/matter through which it can be seen.Vacuum means no matter at all.

Then if you were to push pressure out of the chamber, to create 1psi atmosphere inside the chamber,
the outer created high pressured enviroment would completely destroy the whole construction,
as high pressure rushes to equalise the low pressure enviroment.

The vacuum chamber only has to withstand 14.7 psi,   that's when there is ZERO psi inside the vacuum chamber.    It's easy enough to build a vacuum chamber to handle that sort of pressure.
But you don't need to go that far to disprove denspressure,   just climb to a mountain top,   check for yourself that the atmospheric pressure has dropped,  but your weight hasn't.
Or even if you don't want to climb a mountain,  wait until the weather changes and a low pressure region moves in,  then you can see if you weigh less on stormy days. 

For the record i am not sceptimatic.

You forget that when you go to an enviroment with lower pressure,that doesnt mean your body's INTERNAL enviroment is changing.LOL
The body is in constant battle of keeping its own pressurized enviroment otherwise it would have a really difficult time and it does LONG TERM.
You are not like a block of lead that can change ''weight'' depending on atmospheric pressure changes.
You are a LIVING machine burning fuel(carbon/carbo-hydrates) to keep your sane functions by maintaining a specific pressurized envoroment designed for your body.

So imagine that you are a moving chamber that has on its inside  14.7 psi atmosphere, even when you go to a region with a pressure lets say of 13.7psi.

For the record i am not sceptimatic.

You forget that when you go to an enviroment with lower pressure,that doesnt mean your body's INTERNAL enviroment is changing.LOL
The body is in constant battle of keeping its own pressurized enviroment otherwise it would have a really difficult time and it does LONG TERM.
You are not like a block of lead that can change ''weight'' depending on atmospheric pressure changes.
You are a LIVING machine burning fuel(carbon/carbo-hydrates) to keep your sane functions by maintaining a specific pressurized envoroment designed for your body.

So imagine that you are a moving chamber that has on its inside  14.7 psi atmosphere, even when you go to a region with a pressure lets say of 13.7psi.

If this was true you would explode when climbing mountains or implode when scuba diving. Your body pressure changes to match the environment. Easy to prove too, go scuba diving, you will notice you have to equalize as you do down as your body accommodates the higher pressure. As you go back up from high pressure to low pressure you need to do decompression stops to allow nitrogen that gets absorbed by your body tissue under pressure to escape. The fact that we are made of an in-compressible liquid is the only reason why we can dive and survive the pressure.

You are not like a block of lead that can change ''weight'' depending on atmospheric pressure changes.

This quote nearly gave me cancer.

If this was true it would be very easy to determine with calculations.
All you need is a container a bicycle pump and scale.
I.e. 10N = Pb under 1bar changes to 12N Pb = under 2Bar, ext.
If you can not at least do this super simple experiment then you are not in a position to make these statements.

Quote from: Rayzor on July 19, 2015, 07:32:31 PM

Quote from: panoslydios on July 19, 2015, 03:59:38 PM

Quote from: BJ1234 on July 19, 2015, 03:19:25 PM

The flat earth reasoning is that the earth is accelerating at 9.8m/s², Not moving at 9.8 m/s.  Therefore, things do accelerate towards the ground.

Also, don't listen to the scepti alt about the air pressure causing things to fall.  If that were the case, things would float in a vacuum, or at least weigh less.

You have been told million times that a true vacuum cant exist at least in our physical eyes.
For everything to be seen,it needs a medium/matter through which it can be seen.Vacuum means no matter at all.

Then if you were to push pressure out of the chamber, to create 1psi atmosphere inside the chamber,
the outer created high pressured enviroment would completely destroy the whole construction,
as high pressure rushes to equalise the low pressure enviroment.

The vacuum chamber only has to withstand 14.7 psi,   that's when there is ZERO psi inside the vacuum chamber.    It's easy enough to build a vacuum chamber to handle that sort of pressure.
But you don't need to go that far to disprove denspressure,   just climb to a mountain top,   check for yourself that the atmospheric pressure has dropped,  but your weight hasn't.
Or even if you don't want to climb a mountain,  wait until the weather changes and a low pressure region moves in,  then you can see if you weigh less on stormy days. 

For the record i am not sceptimatic.

You forget that when you go to an enviroment with lower pressure,that doesnt mean your body's INTERNAL enviroment is changing.LOL
The body is in constant battle of keeping its own pressurized enviroment otherwise it would have a really difficult time and it does LONG TERM.
You are not like a block of lead that can change ''weight'' depending on atmospheric pressure changes.
You are a LIVING machine burning fuel(carbon/carbo-hydrates) to keep your sane functions by maintaining a specific pressurized envoroment designed for your body.

So imagine that you are a moving chamber that has on its inside  14.7 psi atmosphere, even when you go to a region with a pressure lets say of 13.7psi.

So why doesn't we weigh more then in a lower pressure? If our internal pressure stays the same, our density will also stay the same, so we should "sink" faster and weigh more. Also, why is denpressure only acting in one direction? Pressure works in every direction equally, and buoyancy (Which is literally what you mean by denpressure) requires gravity, or a directional force, something that pressure is not.

Quote from: Rayzor on July 19, 2015, 07:32:31 PM

just about everyone abandonded it, in favour of Universal Acceleration.   

Are you claiming people abandoned denpressure in favour of universal acceleration If so, whom?
Or are you making shit up again?

Most flat earthers with half a brain dropped density ages ago,   ask them yourself.    http://wiki.tfes.org/Gravity
I think Eric Doobuymystuff still believes density,  (I'd check his website,  but I'm blocked ) but anyway, he's  so far off the planet that he doesn't count,   Mark Sargent,  is UA proponent.   I think they pretty much all are.

scepti,  is just  plain nuts.  So he doesn't count either.

 

Quote from: panoslydios on July 20, 2015, 02:03:07 AM

For the record i am not sceptimatic.

You forget that when you go to an enviroment with lower pressure,that doesnt mean your body's INTERNAL enviroment is changing.LOL
The body is in constant battle of keeping its own pressurized enviroment otherwise it would have a really difficult time and it does LONG TERM.
You are not like a block of lead that can change ''weight'' depending on atmospheric pressure changes.
You are a LIVING machine burning fuel(carbon/carbo-hydrates) to keep your sane functions by maintaining a specific pressurized envoroment designed for your body.

So imagine that you are a moving chamber that has on its inside  14.7 psi atmosphere, even when you go to a region with a pressure lets say of 13.7psi.

If this was true you would explode when climbing mountains or implode when scuba diving. Your body pressure changes to match the environment. Easy to prove too, go scuba diving, you will notice you have to equalize as you do down as your body accommodates the higher pressure. As you go back up from high pressure to low pressure you need to do decompression stops to allow nitrogen that gets absorbed by your body tissue under pressure to escape. The fact that we are made of an in-compressible liquid is the only reason why we can dive and survive the pressure.

Quote from: panoslydios on July 20, 2015, 02:03:07 AM

You are not like a block of lead that can change ''weight'' depending on atmospheric pressure changes.

This quote nearly gave me cancer.

If this was true it would be very easy to determine with calculations.
All you need is a container a bicycle pump and scale.
I.e. 10N = Pb under 1bar changes to 12N Pb = under 2Bar, ext.
If you can not at least do this super simple experiment then you are not in a position to make these statements.

Your body WONT equalize to the external enviroment.It will try to maintain ITS OWN PRESSURE.
We are a tropical species and we use clothes ,gas to maintain the tropicl warm climate throught winter.
If not we will use OUR OWN ENERGY ot still maintain this enviroment instead of clothes.

What you just said is like throwing yourself inside an acid solution and trying to equalize to this solution
Either way your blood will try to maintain its base ph but going acidic or too base you will die within 4 minutes .

Now imagine again you are throwing yourself in a vinegar solution bath tub.
The vinegar's acids will eat away the tissues due to their corrosiveness and acidic nature.
Now your body WONT BECOME ALKALINE.It wont equalize with the acidic enviroment.
Instead it will use ITS OWN ALKALINE MINERALS (calcium) from bones,blood vessel walls and anywhere
to BUFFER the acidity and MAINTAIN ITS VERY OWN RANGE OF PH.

Makes sense?

Ok the human part is done.Now someone should experiment with the block of lead.Maybe even the block of lead tries/resists to maintain its own pressure.

Long time lurker, first time poster ... I cant believe I am doing this, but here i go ...


I am a "round-earther", to get that out of the way. I try very hard to stay serious, but I am sure the occasional pun or sarcasm will get through.

In conspiracy theories, pseud-science, esoteric, super-natural and the likes the discussions often centers around details, which makes the crazy look less crazy as it means that some assumptions are seemingly accepted and the bigger picture gets out of view. So lets try to look at the bigger picture of falling.

Generally speaking we have three elements ... Speed ... because of Acceleration ... because of a directional Force. That's as generic as it goes ...

In my world that's Gravity -> Acceleration -> Speed.

Its like a car ... Engine -> Acceleration -> Speed.

Now, lets look at the alternatives.


Acceleration model ... fine, you got acceleration, where is the force? What is driving the acceleration ... is God pushing our car? I would be glad if a simple answer could be given, and if that answer explains the difference in observable and measurable acceleration depending on the location on earth, that would be swell too.

Air pressure ... you do know air pressure is not directional, right? If we have a balloon, the pressure goes into all directions. In my world, the reason the atmosphere is pushing down, is Gravity. What's the force that pushes the air down in your world? Is God blowing down on us very hard?

The major league of crazy, denpreassure ... again, where is the direction coming from. So objects push against the air, not the other way around. Why is a bowling ball pushing down, when its surface would push in all directions?


I know, answers will generally try to very quickly pass by the meat of the questions and either go into a magic explanation or just ignore it, but that makes this place so much fun, right?

Long time lurker, first time poster ... I cant believe I am doing this, but here i go ...


I am a "round-earther", to get that out of the way. I try very hard to stay serious, but I am sure the occasional pun or sarcasm will get through.

In conspiracy theories, pseud-science, esoteric, super-natural and the likes the discussions often centers around details, which makes the crazy look less crazy as it means that some assumptions are seemingly accepted and the bigger picture gets out of view. So lets try to look at the bigger picture of falling.

Generally speaking we have three elements ... Speed ... because of Acceleration ... because of a directional Force. That's as generic as it goes ...

In my world that's Gravity -> Acceleration -> Speed.

Its like a car ... Engine -> Acceleration -> Speed.

Now, lets look at the alternatives.


Acceleration model ... fine, you got acceleration, where is the force? What is driving the acceleration ... is God pushing our car? I would be glad if a simple answer could be given, and if that answer explains the difference in observable and measurable acceleration depending on the location on earth, that would be swell too.

Air pressure ... you do know air pressure is not directional, right? If we have a balloon, the pressure goes into all directions. In my world, the reason the atmosphere is pushing down, is Gravity. What's the force that pushes the air down in your world? Is God blowing down on us very hard?

The major league of crazy, denpreassure ... again, where is the direction coming from. So objects push against the air, not the other way around. Why is a bowling ball pushing down, when its surface would push in all directions?


I know, answers will generally try to very quickly pass by the meat of the questions and either go into a magic explanation or just ignore it, but that makes this place so much fun, right?

People like you spend too much time mocking anything that doesn't fit your lifetime indoctrination and protocol, to even contemplate seeing reality in a much more basic form.
You rely on gravity because you are told what it does, even though the science world cannot tell you what it is.

Quote from: Soulblood on July 21, 2015, 12:01:15 AM

Long time lurker, first time poster ... I cant believe I am doing this, but here i go ...


I am a "round-earther", to get that out of the way. I try very hard to stay serious, but I am sure the occasional pun or sarcasm will get through.

In conspiracy theories, pseud-science, esoteric, super-natural and the likes the discussions often centers around details, which makes the crazy look less crazy as it means that some assumptions are seemingly accepted and the bigger picture gets out of view. So lets try to look at the bigger picture of falling.

Generally speaking we have three elements ... Speed ... because of Acceleration ... because of a directional Force. That's as generic as it goes ...

In my world that's Gravity -> Acceleration -> Speed.

Its like a car ... Engine -> Acceleration -> Speed.

Now, lets look at the alternatives.


Acceleration model ... fine, you got acceleration, where is the force? What is driving the acceleration ... is God pushing our car? I would be glad if a simple answer could be given, and if that answer explains the difference in observable and measurable acceleration depending on the location on earth, that would be swell too.

Air pressure ... you do know air pressure is not directional, right? If we have a balloon, the pressure goes into all directions. In my world, the reason the atmosphere is pushing down, is Gravity. What's the force that pushes the air down in your world? Is God blowing down on us very hard?

The major league of crazy, denpreassure ... again, where is the direction coming from. So objects push against the air, not the other way around. Why is a bowling ball pushing down, when its surface would push in all directions?


I know, answers will generally try to very quickly pass by the meat of the questions and either go into a magic explanation or just ignore it, but that makes this place so much fun, right?

People like you spend too much time mocking anything that doesn't fit your lifetime indoctrination and protocol, to even contemplate seeing reality in a much more basic form.
You rely on gravity because you are told what it does, even though the science world cannot tell you what it is.

The science world can tell better what gravity is than you can tell what denpressure is.

People like you spend too much time mocking anything that doesn't fit your lifetime indoctrination and protocol, to even contemplate seeing reality in a much more basic form.
You rely on gravity because you are told what it does, even though the science world cannot tell you what it is.

Questions ignored ... CHECK

I rely on gravity because it explains everything I know perfectly and predictably.

I see the word in all its magnificent splendor, amazed about the simple way such a complex system interacts, in awe how brilliant men and women were able to decipher the most complex aspects and continue to do so, intrigued in the way it challenges me to learn and understand more of my surrounding, its history and future.

You, on the other hand, sit in a window-less room, in a dark, bleak corner ... you stare at that corner and explain the world  from this limited view, forever suspicious of anybody who isn't staring at the same corner ... and every time somebody knocks on the door your only reaction is insult or ignorance. If you weren't so offensive i would pity you.