So, you know you can....

The earth doesn't change its orientation.  It changes its position.  There is a difference.  Please watch the video that I posted previously to understand. The spinning gyroscope remains in the same orientation even though the position in the room changes.

The earth doesn't change its orientation.  It changes its position.  There is a difference.  Please watch the video that I posted previously to understand. The spinning gyroscope remains in the same orientation even though the position in the room changes.

For the earth to show both poles to the sun whilst being on a so called axis, it has to change it's orientation, yet it's shown in animations that the north pole allegedly points in one direction, all the time, making a person think it must be correct, when it's bogus. It's a con job and the earth, even if it was spinning or stationary and moving around the sun, would not move in the way that is claimed.

Instead, it would move in the way my bottom diagram shows.
I mean, naturally it's all bogus but I'm simply trying to make my point.

Quote from: BJ1234 on November 16, 2013, 04:57:36 AM

The earth doesn't change its orientation.  It changes its position.  There is a difference.  Please watch the video that I posted previously to understand. The spinning gyroscope remains in the same orientation even though the position in the room changes.

For the earth to show both poles to the sun whilst being on a so called axis, it has to change it's orientation, yet it's shown in animations that the north pole allegedly points in one direction, all the time, making a person think it must be correct, when it's bogus. It's a con job and the earth, even if it was spinning or stationary and moving around the sun, would not move in the way that is claimed.

Instead, it would move in the way my bottom diagram shows.
I mean, naturally it's all bogus but I'm simply trying to make my point.

In your bottom diagram the orientation changes. It's axis points in different direcion. How is the sun changing the earths orientation in your diagram?

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 16, 2013, 05:15:36 AM

Quote from: BJ1234 on November 16, 2013, 04:57:36 AM

The earth doesn't change its orientation.  It changes its position.  There is a difference.  Please watch the video that I posted previously to understand. The spinning gyroscope remains in the same orientation even though the position in the room changes.

For the earth to show both poles to the sun whilst being on a so called axis, it has to change it's orientation, yet it's shown in animations that the north pole allegedly points in one direction, all the time, making a person think it must be correct, when it's bogus. It's a con job and the earth, even if it was spinning or stationary and moving around the sun, would not move in the way that is claimed.

Instead, it would move in the way my bottom diagram shows.
I mean, naturally it's all bogus but I'm simply trying to make my point.

In your bottom diagram the orientation changes. It's axis points in different direcion. How is the sun changing the earths orientation in your diagram?

The axis points do not change direction in relation to the centralised sun, the follow a set pattern in a set position around the sun, as they should if it were to be realistic.
They stay at a set angle, as opposed to the way your earth has them shifting orientation away from the sun, which as I showed on the merry go round, would defy logic, which basically round earth science continually does, because it has to, to make all the absolute nonsensical bull crap, fit.

The axis points do not change direction in relation to the centralised sun, the follow a set pattern in a set position around the sun, as they should if it were to be realistic.

Here's your problem, you're thinking the axis shouldn't change relative to the sun.  No, it doesn't change, at all.  No matter where the Earth is around the sun, the axis of rotation is in the same position.  Much like a gyroscope.

They stay at a set angle, as opposed to the way your earth has them shifting orientation away from the sun, which as I showed on the merry go round, would defy logic, which basically round earth science continually does, because it has to, to make all the absolute nonsensical bull crap, fit.

Once again, the axis doesn't shift orientation.  It stays approximately the same over the course of a given year.  It does, however, change position around the sun.  That means, relative to the sun, the axis appears to shift orientation.  Relative to a third party observer, it does nothing but move around the sun, as would be expected.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 16, 2013, 05:53:37 AM

The axis points do not change direction in relation to the centralised sun, the follow a set pattern in a set position around the sun, as they should if it were to be realistic.

Here's your problem, you're thinking the axis shouldn't change relative to the sun.  No, it doesn't change, at all.  No matter where the Earth is around the sun, the axis of rotation is in the same position.  Much like a gyroscope.

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They stay at a set angle, as opposed to the way your earth has them shifting orientation away from the sun, which as I showed on the merry go round, would defy logic, which basically round earth science continually does, because it has to, to make all the absolute nonsensical bull crap, fit.

Once again, the axis doesn't shift orientation.  It stays approximately the same over the course of a given year.  It does, however, change position around the sun.  That means, relative to the sun, the axis appears to shift orientation.  Relative to a third party observer, it does nothing but move around the sun, as would be expected.

If it didn't change position then you would see light and dark on the same areas as it spun and the south pole , or most of it, would be in TOTAL darkness 24/7/365.

You can harp on about relative to a third party observer all day long but it's reality we are dealing with, not fictional third party observers.

The axis stays in the same position, pointing at the North Star, and rotates  around that exposing every part to the sun every day , except when you have midnight sun.

The axis stays in the same position, pointing at the North Star, and rotates  around that exposing every part to the sun every day , except when you have midnight sun.

And what causes the midnight sun?

Quote from: Pyrolizard on November 16, 2013, 06:51:43 AM

Here's your problem, you're thinking the axis shouldn't change relative to the sun.  No, it doesn't change, at all.  No matter where the Earth is around the sun, the axis of rotation is in the same position.  Much like a gyroscope.

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They stay at a set angle, as opposed to the way your earth has them shifting orientation away from the sun, which as I showed on the merry go round, would defy logic, which basically round earth science continually does, because it has to, to make all the absolute nonsensical bull crap, fit.

Once again, the axis doesn't shift orientation.  It stays approximately the same over the course of a given year.  It does, however, change position around the sun.  That means, relative to the sun, the axis appears to shift orientation.  Relative to a third party observer, it does nothing but move around the sun, as would be expected.

If it didn't change position then you would see light and dark on the same areas as it spun and the south pole , or most of it, would be in TOTAL darkness 24/7/365.

Would you care to elaborate on that?  Because I don't see how that's true.  The Earth changes position as well as rotates, that's why slightly different parts of the Earth are lit on two given days.  The way you suggest it, with the north pole always oriented toward the sun, would result in total darkness for the south pole at all times.

You can harp on about relative to a third party observer all day long but it's reality we are dealing with, not fictional third party observers.

Okay, let's try this, then.  You occupy a fixed point in space that is neither on the Earth or the sun.  You can observe both.  If the previous two are true, you would see the Earth's rotational axis keep it's orientation all the way around the sun.  The inclination of the axis would not change, nor would it's direction, while the Earth and the axis would change their position around the sun.  This is what has been explained to you multiple times, and this is reality as far as the common model is concerned.

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The axis stays in the same position, pointing at the North Star, and rotates  around that exposing every part to the sun every day , except when you have midnight sun.

And what causes the midnight sun?

The axial tilt of the Earth.

So, the Earth is tilted and stays in that position because it's motion isn't affected by another force.  Why doesn't the sun affect the tilt as the Earth revolves around it?

The tilt does wobble. Partially because the Earth is not a perfect sphere, partially because of tidal forces from the moon, sun and other celestial bodies in our solar system.

"wobble", please elaborate.  When does it do this and how can you prove it?

So, the Earth is tilted and stays in that position because it's motion isn't affected by another force.  Why doesn't the sun affect the tilt as the Earth revolves around it?

They (REers) sat it DOES. They have quantified how much is does and have found that it DOES only very little. This results in a precession.

"wobble", please elaborate.  When does it do this and how can you prove it?

This may help you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession

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The axis stays in the same position, pointing at the North Star, and rotates  around that exposing every part to the sun every day , except when you have midnight sun.

And what causes the midnight sun?

The axial tilt of the Earth.

Care to elaborate on how this happens.

That's a gyroscope.  Are you saying the Earth is a gyroscope?

Precession is a phenomena that applies to rotating objects in general, when the axis of rotation is not perpendicular to the applied force that produces a torque. So even though they first discuss gyroscopes, if you scroll down to the bottom they also show how it applies to the Earth. You need to actually read this stuff and try to understand it for the idea to make sense. This is because these concepts are not trivial to understand for anyone! You can observe precession if you spin one of those toy tops. In that case, the force producing the torque would be the gravity from the Earth. We are of course assuming a RET here, because we are discussing RE concepts.

The point is if you understand precession, angular momentum, and torque, you can then apply these general concepts to a specific instance: the Earth-Sun system. Once you do all this, you can find that these general concepts are internally consistent with the Earth-Sun system.

This is one of the biggest problems for FET: RET indeed HAS internally consistent ideas, whereas we do not yet.

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The axis stays in the same position, pointing at the North Star, and rotates  around that exposing every part to the sun every day , except when you have midnight sun.

And what causes the midnight sun?

The axial tilt of the Earth.

Care to elaborate on how this happens.

The sun lights half the Earth at a time. Because of the tilt, the Antarctic or Arctic will be completely in the sunlight for a couple months a year. If there was no tilt, they would always be half lit, half unlit.

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The axis stays in the same position, pointing at the North Star, and rotates  around that exposing every part to the sun every day , except when you have midnight sun.

And what causes the midnight sun?

The axial tilt of the Earth.

Care to elaborate on how this happens.

The sun lights half the Earth at a time. Because of the tilt, the Antarctic or Arctic will be completely in the sunlight for a couple months a year. If there was no tilt, they would always be half lit, half unlit.

And this is why I'm telling you that the tilt is obviously orientating differently, which would be impossible.
It's going AROUND a BALL, as a BALL on a so called TILT.
What you should see is half the tilted earth lit as it spins on it's own so called axis and the so called south pole or most of it, would be in total darkness. In fact, it would be lifeless and frozen solid.

It's a very good con but it's fallible and yet people cannot see it, but if they put some real thought into my bottom diagram as opposed to the diagram above it that we are told happens...they will see how wrong the official one is and why it cannot work.

Doesn't it strike anyone as odd how earth is on it's axis and yet always points to polaris whilst on the supposed other half it points to the southern star, lol.

I mean, shouldn't people be thinking this would fit much better with a flat earth and seeing polaris as the direct light from the centre of earth's circle.

Tilting the earth at 23.5 degrees for  crying out loud. It's great, because it accounts for what we see.
If all this made any sense, I would be shouting, " yes, we are being told the truth, it's clearly a globe." 

The fact that I'm not, is because it's so embarrassingly nonsensical, it borders on the lunacy and yet anyone who thinks alternate to this, is the lunatic. lol

I mean...ask yourself, why should anyone who questions something be labelled a lunatic? I mean, why can't they just be wrong or told that their thinking doesn't fit?

Lunatic and all of its other likewise words are used, because it's the best way to stop people questioning it all.
I question why any round earther who has no intention of changing, would come to a flat earth forum and stay just to shout, " the earth is not flat", or whatever. It makes no sense at all, unless those people were genuinely curious about their own model, yet it's denied strongly by just about all on here, yet they still feel the need to PROTECT it at all costs and seem fearful that their model will be nibbled at and seen to be the ridiculous nonsense that it is.

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The axis stays in the same position, pointing at the North Star, and rotates  around that exposing every part to the sun every day , except when you have midnight sun.

And what causes the midnight sun?

The axial tilt of the Earth.

Care to elaborate on how this happens.

The sun lights half the Earth at a time. Because of the tilt, the Antarctic or Arctic will be completely in the sunlight for a couple months a year. If there was no tilt, they would always be half lit, half unlit.

And this is why I'm telling you that the tilt is obviously orientating differently, which would be impossible.
It's going AROUND a BALL, as a BALL on a so called TILT.
What you should see is half the tilted earth lit as it spins on it's own so called axis and the so called south pole or most of it, would be in total darkness. In fact, it would be lifeless and frozen solid.

It's a very good con but it's fallible and yet people cannot see it, but if they put some real thought into my bottom diagram as opposed to the diagram above it that we are told happens...they will see how wrong the official one is and why it cannot work.

Doesn't it strike anyone as odd how earth is on it's axis and yet always points to polaris whilst on the supposed other half it points to the southern star, lol.

I mean, shouldn't people be thinking this would fit much better with a flat earth and seeing polaris as the direct light from the centre of earth's circle.

Tilting the earth at 23.5 degrees for  crying out loud. It's great, because it accounts for what we see.
If all this made any sense, I would be shouting, " yes, we are being told the truth, it's clearly a globe." 

The fact that I'm not, is because it's so embarrassingly nonsensical, it borders on the lunacy and yet anyone who thinks alternate to this, is the lunatic. lol

I mean...ask yourself, why should anyone who questions something be labelled a lunatic? I mean, why can't they just be wrong or told that their thinking doesn't fit?

Lunatic and all of its other likewise words are used, because it's the best way to stop people questioning it all.
I question why any round earther who has no intention of changing, would come to a flat earth forum and stay just to shout, " the earth is not flat", or whatever. It makes no sense at all, unless those people were genuinely curious about their own model, yet it's denied strongly by just about all on here, yet they still feel the need to PROTECT it at all costs and seem fearful that their model will be nibbled at and seen to be the ridiculous nonsense that it is.

Mmm, no we certainly question things. The difference between what everyone else does and what you do, is that after we question things we think about it and try to learn. You question things and then, having learned nothing, you say: well they do not make any sense at all! But really, its your questions that do not make much sense. This is what you do:

"How can the Earth be round? It looks flat to me! Let me look into this....bah! Its all hard and confusing, and when people explain things to me, I cannot understand them. Conspiracy!!!"

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The axis stays in the same position, pointing at the North Star, and rotates  around that exposing every part to the sun every day , except when you have midnight sun.

And what causes the midnight sun?

The axial tilt of the Earth.

Care to elaborate on how this happens.

The sun lights half the Earth at a time. Because of the tilt, the Antarctic or Arctic will be completely in the sunlight for a couple months a year. If there was no tilt, they would always be half lit, half unlit.

And this is why I'm telling you that the tilt is obviously orientating differently, which would be impossible.
It's going AROUND a BALL, as a BALL on a so called TILT.
What you should see is half the tilted earth lit as it spins on it's own so called axis and the so called south pole or most of it, would be in total darkness. In fact, it would be lifeless and frozen solid.

It's a very good con but it's fallible and yet people cannot see it, but if they put some real thought into my bottom diagram as opposed to the diagram above it that we are told happens...they will see how wrong the official one is and why it cannot work.

Doesn't it strike anyone as odd how earth is on it's axis and yet always points to polaris whilst on the supposed other half it points to the southern star, lol.

I mean, shouldn't people be thinking this would fit much better with a flat earth and seeing polaris as the direct light from the centre of earth's circle.

Tilting the earth at 23.5 degrees for  crying out loud. It's great, because it accounts for what we see.
If all this made any sense, I would be shouting, " yes, we are being told the truth, it's clearly a globe." 

The fact that I'm not, is because it's so embarrassingly nonsensical, it borders on the lunacy and yet anyone who thinks alternate to this, is the lunatic. lol

I mean...ask yourself, why should anyone who questions something be labelled a lunatic? I mean, why can't they just be wrong or told that their thinking doesn't fit?

Lunatic and all of its other likewise words are used, because it's the best way to stop people questioning it all.
I question why any round earther who has no intention of changing, would come to a flat earth forum and stay just to shout, " the earth is not flat", or whatever. It makes no sense at all, unless those people were genuinely curious about their own model, yet it's denied strongly by just about all on here, yet they still feel the need to PROTECT it at all costs and seem fearful that their model will be nibbled at and seen to be the ridiculous nonsense that it is.

Mmm, no we certainly question things. The difference between what everyone else does and what you do, is that after we question things we think about it and try to learn. You question things and then, having learned nothing, you say: well they do not make any sense at all! But really, its your questions that do not make much sense. This is what you do:

"How can the Earth be round? It looks flat to me! Let me look into this....bah! Its all hard and confusing, and when people explain things to me, I cannot understand them. Conspiracy!!!"

And yet, here you are answering to me. You need to re-think who you are typing to. I'm obviously never going to make sense to you, so what are you doing wasting your time with me? 

Don't embarrass yourself by answering to me, just talk with your own little crowd of WE'S.

It's a very good con but it's fallible and yet people cannot see it, but if they put some real thought into my bottom diagram as opposed to the diagram above it that we are told happens...they will see how wrong the official one is and why it cannot work.

The reason why we believe the RE model and not yours is exactly that we have put serious thought in it. Your reasoning is incredibly flawed, north pole points towards and away from the Sun at different times of the year exactly because it does not change it's orientation. If north pointed "left" it is summer when earth is to the "right side" of the sun, and when the earth is on the "left side" of the sun north is still tilted in the same direction, left, so it points away from the sun and then it's winter.

Doesn't it strike anyone as odd how earth is on it's axis and yet always points to polaris whilst on the supposed other half it points to the southern star, lol.

No. Because we understand this concept. Polaris is in no way a special star, it only happens to be located along the earth's rotational axis.

I mean, shouldn't people be thinking this would fit much better with a flat earth and seeing polaris as the direct light from the centre of earth's circle.

Tilting the earth at 23.5 degrees for  crying out loud. It's great, because it accounts for what we see.

Yes, it accounts for what we see. And you think that proves that it's wrong??

If all this made any sense, I would be shouting, " yes, we are being told the truth, it's clearly a globe." 

The fact that I'm not, is because it's so embarrassingly nonsensical, it borders on the lunacy and yet anyone who thinks alternate to this, is the lunatic. lol

I mean...ask yourself, why should anyone who questions something be labelled a lunatic? I mean, why can't they just be wrong or told that their thinking doesn't fit?

Lunatic and all of its other likewise words are used, because it's the best way to stop people questioning it all.
I question why any round earther who has no intention of changing, would come to a flat earth forum and stay just to shout, " the earth is not flat", or whatever. It makes no sense at all, unless those people were genuinely curious about their own model, yet it's denied strongly by just about all on here, yet they still feel the need to PROTECT it at all costs and seem fearful that their model will be nibbled at and seen to be the ridiculous nonsense that it is.

I don't think anyone here is equating lunacy with eagerness to question things. And as for why I (a "round earther") come here, well it's for the entertainment. I was shocked when you were leaving! I didn't come here for a long while, but have noticed that you're back! Yay!

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The axis stays in the same position, pointing at the North Star, and rotates  around that exposing every part to the sun every day , except when you have midnight sun.

And what causes the midnight sun?

The axial tilt of the Earth.

Care to elaborate on how this happens.

The sun lights half the Earth at a time. Because of the tilt, the Antarctic or Arctic will be completely in the sunlight for a couple months a year. If there was no tilt, they would always be half lit, half unlit.

And this is why I'm telling you that the tilt is obviously orientating differently, which would be impossible.
It's going AROUND a BALL, as a BALL on a so called TILT.
What you should see is half the tilted earth lit as it spins on it's own so called axis and the so called south pole or most of it, would be in total darkness. In fact, it would be lifeless and frozen solid.

It's a very good con but it's fallible and yet people cannot see it, but if they put some real thought into my bottom diagram as opposed to the diagram above it that we are told happens...they will see how wrong the official one is and why it cannot work.

Doesn't it strike anyone as odd how earth is on it's axis and yet always points to polaris whilst on the supposed other half it points to the southern star, lol.

I mean, shouldn't people be thinking this would fit much better with a flat earth and seeing polaris as the direct light from the centre of earth's circle.

Tilting the earth at 23.5 degrees for  crying out loud. It's great, because it accounts for what we see.
If all this made any sense, I would be shouting, " yes, we are being told the truth, it's clearly a globe." 

The fact that I'm not, is because it's so embarrassingly nonsensical, it borders on the lunacy and yet anyone who thinks alternate to this, is the lunatic. lol

I mean...ask yourself, why should anyone who questions something be labelled a lunatic? I mean, why can't they just be wrong or told that their thinking doesn't fit?

Lunatic and all of its other likewise words are used, because it's the best way to stop people questioning it all.
I question why any round earther who has no intention of changing, would come to a flat earth forum and stay just to shout, " the earth is not flat", or whatever. It makes no sense at all, unless those people were genuinely curious about their own model, yet it's denied strongly by just about all on here, yet they still feel the need to PROTECT it at all costs and seem fearful that their model will be nibbled at and seen to be the ridiculous nonsense that it is.

Mmm, no we certainly question things. The difference between what everyone else does and what you do, is that after we question things we think about it and try to learn. You question things and then, having learned nothing, you say: well they do not make any sense at all! But really, its your questions that do not make much sense. This is what you do:

"How can the Earth be round? It looks flat to me! Let me look into this....bah! Its all hard and confusing, and when people explain things to me, I cannot understand them. Conspiracy!!!"

And yet, here you are answering to me. You need to re-think who you are typing to. I'm obviously never going to make sense to you, so what are you doing wasting your time with me? 

Don't embarrass yourself by answering to me, just talk with your own little crowd of WE'S.

Oh yeah, I know you won't ever make sense to me. And I do not think it is a waste of time  . You are quite interesting from a psychological point of view.

And I don't feel embarrassed at all. I feel amused.

Some of us have a very good imagination.  And surprise, nothing is ever created without imagination. 

And this is why I'm telling you that the tilt is obviously orientating differently, which would be impossible.

Yes, and hence the reason it is fixed, and not moving (which would be required to stay aligned with the sun).

It's going AROUND a BALL, as a BALL on a so called TILT.
What you should see is half the tilted earth lit as it spins on it's own so called axis and the so called south pole or most of it, would be in total darkness. In fact, it would be lifeless and frozen solid.

Which is not the case, because the tilt doesn't rotate with the sun.

It's a very good con but it's fallible and yet people cannot see it, but if they put some real thought into my bottom diagram as opposed to the diagram above it that we are told happens...they will see how wrong the official one is and why it cannot work.

And it's been explained why your bottom diagram does not reflect reality.

Doesn't it strike anyone as odd how earth is on it's axis and yet always points to polaris whilst on the supposed other half it points to the southern star, lol.

No.  A sphere has two opposite sides, and those two points happened to be aligned with two distant objects.  I don't see what's odd with that.

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The axis stays in the same position, pointing at the North Star, and rotates  around that exposing every part to the sun every day , except when you have midnight sun.

And what causes the midnight sun?

The axial tilt of the Earth.

Care to elaborate on how this happens.

The sun lights half the Earth at a time. Because of the tilt, the Antarctic or Arctic will be completely in the sunlight for a couple months a year. If there was no tilt, they would always be half lit, half unlit.

And this is why I'm telling you that the tilt is obviously orientating differently, which would be impossible.
It's going AROUND a BALL, as a BALL on a so called TILT.
What you should see is half the tilted earth lit as it spins on it's own so called axis and the so called south pole or most of it, would be in total darkness.

True, until
It comes to the other side of the orbit. Easily demonstrated with a flashlight and globe.

In fact, it would be lifeless and frozen solid.

That's your opinion which we know if based on ignorance.

It's a very good con but it's fallible and yet people cannot see it,

Because it's not a con.

but if they put some real thought into my bottom diagram as opposed to the diagram above it that we are told happens...they will see how wrong the official one is and why it cannot work.

Doesn't it strike anyone as odd how earth is on it's axis and yet always points to polaris whilst on the supposed other half it points to the southern star, lol.

Polaris is Polaris because of the axis tilt. Whatever star the Earth happened to be pointing at, if any, would have been named Polaris. There is no south star, Sigma Octantis is close, but not quite.

I mean, shouldn't people be thinking this would fit much better with a flat earth and seeing polaris as the direct light from the centre of earth's circle.

No.

Tilting the earth at 23.5 degrees for  crying out loud. It's great, because it accounts for what we see.
If all this made any sense, I would be shouting, " yes, we are being told the truth, it's clearly a globe." 

I doubt it.

The fact that I'm not, is because it's so embarrassingly nonsensical, it borders on the lunacy and yet anyone who thinks alternate to this, is the lunatic. lol

I mean...ask yourself, why should anyone who questions something be labelled a lunatic? I mean, why can't they just be wrong or told that their thinking doesn't fit?

Lunatic and all of its other likewise words are used, because it's the best way to stop people questioning it all.
I question why any round earther who has no intention of changing, would come to a flat earth forum and stay just to shout, " the earth is not flat", or whatever. It makes no sense at all, unless those people were genuinely curious about their own model, yet it's denied strongly by just about all on here, yet they still feel the need to PROTECT it at all costs and seem fearful that their model will be nibbled at and seen to be the ridiculous nonsense that it is.

I am curious about my model. I have learned more about it here than in any science class. I am also curious about people like you. It's worked out very well for me.

Enough with the "troll" accusation.  Nobody here is trolling, it's called DEBATE.  Not everyone thinks in a box.

Oh please. A debate would be Scepti explaining why I was able to do his "experiment", even with the convoluted rotation he insists must happen in reality, and still get a result where the football never changes it's orientation. (I can tell you why, but he won't)

A debate would be Scepti explaining what causes this convoluted rotation when the axis is tilted but not when the axis is perpendicular to it's orbit.

Instead, I'm labeled a "con man". 

No, there is no debate going on here. Scepti is either trolling, willfully blind or a stellar example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Period.

Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on November 15, 2013, 02:16:35 PM

Enough with the "troll" accusation.  Nobody here is trolling, it's called DEBATE.  Not everyone thinks in a box.

Oh please. A debate would be Scepti explaining why I was able to do his "experiment", even with the convoluted rotation he insists must happen in reality, and still get a result where the football never changes it's orientation. (I can tell you why, but he won't)

A debate would be Scepti explaining what causes this convoluted rotation when the axis is tilted but not when the axis is perpendicular to it's orbit.

Instead, I'm labeled a "con man". 

No, there is no debate going on here. Scepti is either trolling, willfully blind or a stellar example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Period.

You're a con man. You didn't do the experiment, at all.

Quote from: Whiskey on November 18, 2013, 06:47:19 AM

Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on November 15, 2013, 02:16:35 PM

Enough with the "troll" accusation.  Nobody here is trolling, it's called DEBATE.  Not everyone thinks in a box.

Oh please. A debate would be Scepti explaining why I was able to do his "experiment", even with the convoluted rotation he insists must happen in reality, and still get a result where the football never changes it's orientation. (I can tell you why, but he won't)

A debate would be Scepti explaining what causes this convoluted rotation when the axis is tilted but not when the axis is perpendicular to it's orbit.

Instead, I'm labeled a "con man". 

No, there is no debate going on here. Scepti is either trolling, willfully blind or a stellar example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Period.

You're a con man. You didn't do the experiment, at all.

Do you have any evidence to back up your accusations. Your calling him a con man with no evidence to back you up.

Also Sceptimatic, why do you keep ignoring the evidence I post, even when I explained it you continued to ignore it.