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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #60 on: November 07, 2007, 06:32:58 AM »
Dark Energy and RET are separate. Much like RET and evolution.
FET directly depends on the UA. Without a UA, FET fails.

Username, I am curious as to how you believe FE works without a UA. A new theory sounds interesting.
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #61 on: November 07, 2007, 07:15:57 AM »
Quote from: L0gic on November 07, 2007, 06:32:58 AM
Dark Energy and RET are separate. Much like RET and evolution.
FET directly depends on the UA. Without a UA, FET fails.

Show this.  FE theory was around alot longer than UA.

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Username, I am curious as to how you believe FE works without a UA. A new theory sounds interesting.
There are configurations of the earth, both infinite and finite, that would be flat and have the same observed gravitational effects. 
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #62 on: November 07, 2007, 07:30:15 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on November 01, 2007, 07:40:40 PM
So like I said, you get to have a massive energy source, but the FE can't have one?  That's not very fair.


Now, how about the original debate topic?
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #63 on: November 07, 2007, 01:05:27 PM »
Quote from: Username on November 07, 2007, 07:15:57 AM
Quote from: L0gic on November 07, 2007, 06:32:58 AM
Dark Energy and RET are separate. Much like RET and evolution.
FET directly depends on the UA. Without a UA, FET fails.

Show this.  FE theory was around alot longer than UA.
FE theory started when people thought gravity was a force, believed in intelligent falling (God pushes crap down), or ignored it entirely.
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Username, I am curious as to how you believe FE works without a UA. A new theory sounds interesting.
There are configurations of the earth, both infinite and finite, that would be flat and have the same observed gravitational effects. 

What the... are you talking about? Is this feigning poor communication skills to avoid a question? Puh-leeese specify clearly.

I mean seriously... What does this mean?:
There exist potential ends to which succeeding points are not announced, both unobservable and observable, specified only by proclamation.

Answer: wtf nothing!!!  ;D
PS: sorry you have to dumb it down for meeee.
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #64 on: November 07, 2007, 01:10:24 PM »
Quote from: Yiak on November 07, 2007, 01:05:27 PM
Quote from: Username on November 07, 2007, 07:15:57 AM
Quote from: L0gic on November 07, 2007, 06:32:58 AM
Dark Energy and RET are separate. Much like RET and evolution.
FET directly depends on the UA. Without a UA, FET fails.

Show this.  FE theory was around alot longer than UA.
FE theory started when people thought gravity was a force, believed in intelligent falling (God pushes crap down), or ignored it entirely.
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Username, I am curious as to how you believe FE works without a UA. A new theory sounds interesting.
There are configurations of the earth, both infinite and finite, that would be flat and have the same observed gravitational effects. 

What the... are you talking about? Is this feigning poor communication skills to avoid a question? Puh-leeese specify clearly.

I mean seriously... What does this mean?:
There exist potential ends to which succeeding points are not announced, both unobservable and observable, specified only by proclamation.

Answer: wtf nothing!!!  ;D
PS: sorry you have to dumb it down for meeee.

Well for example, it has been shown an infinite earth can exert finite gravitational pull.  This, for one, could explain our observations.

Like wise, there are ways a flat finite earth could be created that would also explain our observations.  For example, one that was sufficiently large and gradually less dense as you move rimward.

Is that anymore helpful? I can post equations if you want, later when I have some time.
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #65 on: November 07, 2007, 01:18:38 PM »
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Well for example, it has been shown an infinite earth can exert finite gravitational pull.  This, for one, could explain our observations.
Except that screws up the sun and moon etc.  ???
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Like wise, there are ways a flat finite earth could be created that would also explain our observations.  For example, one that was sufficiently large and gradually less dense as you move rimward.
So people closer to the edge would feeling gravity pulling them to the side as well as down?
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Is that anymore helpful? I can post equations if you want, later when I have some time.
Equations are not needed at the moment.
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #66 on: November 07, 2007, 01:23:17 PM »
Quote from: Yiak on November 07, 2007, 01:18:38 PM
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Well for example, it has been shown an infinite earth can exert finite gravitational pull.  This, for one, could explain our observations.
Except that screws up the sun and moon etc.  ???
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Like wise, there are ways a flat finite earth could be created that would also explain our observations.  For example, one that was sufficiently large and gradually less dense as you move rimward.
So people closer to the edge would feeling gravity pulling them to the side as well as down?
If they could get that far out, yes.  However, that would be a long long long long long long way.  Near the Antarctic this would not be observed because you would have about the same amount of gravitation affecting you.  The less dense areas are too far away to make a measurable difference.
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #67 on: November 07, 2007, 01:26:59 PM »
Quote from: Username on November 07, 2007, 01:23:17 PM
Quote from: Yiak on November 07, 2007, 01:18:38 PM
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Well for example, it has been shown an infinite earth can exert finite gravitational pull.  This, for one, could explain our observations.
Except that screws up the sun and moon etc.  ???
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Like wise, there are ways a flat finite earth could be created that would also explain our observations.  For example, one that was sufficiently large and gradually less dense as you move rimward.
So people closer to the edge would feeling gravity pulling them to the side as well as down?
If they could get that far out, yes.  However, that would be a long long long long long long way.  Near the Antarctic this would not be observed because you would have about the same amount of gravitation affecting you.  The less dense areas are too far away to make a measurable difference.


1. Sun moon still screwed up.
2. gravitation? that means acceleration right? (UA is coming back!!!!  :o)
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #68 on: November 07, 2007, 01:35:30 PM »
Gravitation causes acceleration, but that has nothing to do with UA.

I don't see the problem with the sun and moon, but I'm in a hurry.  If you could expalin it, I'll answer it when i get back later tonight or tomorrow.
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #69 on: November 07, 2007, 01:37:47 PM »
With real gravity (not gravitation) the sun and moon would fall down... right?
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #70 on: November 07, 2007, 03:33:52 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on November 06, 2007, 07:41:10 PM
*cough*
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #71 on: November 08, 2007, 12:39:08 AM »
Even in round earth there is no "real gravity", just gravitation.

However, there is more gravitational pull from above the moon than from the earth.  This is why we can see that the moon is moving away from the earth at about 4cm per year.
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #72 on: November 10, 2007, 01:22:53 PM »
Still waiting...
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #73 on: November 11, 2007, 11:27:54 AM »
Quote from: Username on November 08, 2007, 12:39:08 AM
Even in round earth there is no "real gravity", just gravitation.

However, there is more gravitational pull from above the moon than from the earth.  This is why we can see that the moon is moving away from the earth at about 4cm per year.

What's right above the moon pulling it up?

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Still waiting...

I seem to recall he wanted responses to his own threads, no?
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #74 on: November 11, 2007, 12:47:04 PM »
The edges of the infinite earth since the gravitation vectors end up getting stronger int he opposite direction the further up you get
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #75 on: November 11, 2007, 12:58:11 PM »
wait... what?
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #76 on: November 11, 2007, 01:09:58 PM »
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #77 on: November 11, 2007, 01:16:30 PM »
So... You're saying the edges of the Earth pull the moon away from Earth?
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #78 on: November 11, 2007, 01:53:17 PM »
Yes, very slowly.
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #79 on: November 11, 2007, 02:04:16 PM »
Why would gravitational vectors get stronger in the opposite direction? I thought the effects of gravity were less noticeable far away. (decaying curve) I'm imagining mass repelling other mass because its far away.  ??? ??? ???
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #80 on: November 11, 2007, 02:09:57 PM »
It evens out at the center, and when you move up the horizontal vectors become more and more vertical until eventually they are pulling you upwards, as you are closer to the mass above you than below.

I think I said that right, but I may not have.  I'm having a hard time concentrating, alot of noise here. heh
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #81 on: November 11, 2007, 02:41:17 PM »
Quote from: Yiak on November 11, 2007, 11:27:54 AM
I seem to recall he wanted responses to his own threads, no?
And?  This is a direct challenge to his posts.  I simply want an explanation.
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #82 on: November 11, 2007, 04:11:52 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on November 11, 2007, 02:41:17 PM
Quote from: Yiak on November 11, 2007, 11:27:54 AM
I seem to recall he wanted responses to his own threads, no?
And?  This is a direct challenge to his posts.  I simply want an explanation.

His posts being the "lack of responses" one probably. His round Earth Site seems rather old and debate issues older still.  That's just my guess, but what harm is there in answering new topics?  ???

In either case, I want to hear more about mass repelling mass from Username! :D
(Specifically sources for this claim)
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #83 on: November 11, 2007, 04:14:03 PM »
Quote from: Username on November 11, 2007, 02:09:57 PM
It evens out at the center, and when you move up the horizontal vectors become more and more vertical until eventually they are pulling you upwards, as you are closer to the mass above you than below.

Eh?
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #84 on: November 11, 2007, 04:16:32 PM »
Quote from: Jack- on November 11, 2007, 04:14:03 PM
Quote from: Username on November 11, 2007, 02:09:57 PM
It evens out at the center, and when you move up the horizontal vectors become more and more vertical until eventually they are pulling you upwards, as you are closer to the mass above you than below.

Eh?

My thoughts exactly...  :o
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #85 on: November 11, 2007, 05:40:02 PM »
Quote from: L0gic on November 01, 2007, 07:28:45 PM
Regarding the other debate, I am currently doing more research as my understanding of Lorenz transformations was only mostly accurate. Stand by.  :)
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #86 on: November 12, 2007, 04:40:43 AM »
Upon further investigation I have not found anything I consider reliable that is contrary to what you said.

However, Yiak is right that I would like to discuss issues that haven't been properly addressed.
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=17908.0
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #87 on: November 12, 2007, 08:39:22 AM »
That was so anti-climactic.
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Re: LOgic is back
« Reply #88 on: November 12, 2007, 09:12:10 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on November 12, 2007, 08:39:22 AM
That was so anti-climactic.

Sorry.  ;)
What did you want me to say?
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