They do not hide the flat earth

Quote from: John Davis on August 31, 2016, 12:56:38 PM

Orwell clearly knew the truth.

See, thats my problem.
1. You claim you know what orwell believed
2. You claim you know "the truth" = flat earth
--> In one sentence you just claim the truth two times for you, on both times obviously and provable wrong.

If you had really read the book, you'd know that orwell is mocking about the flat earth. He more or less said that believing in a flat earth requiers 2 plus 2 equals 5.
"the party says that the earth is flat", "the party says that ice is heavier than water" - and trained himself in not seeing or not understanding the arguments that contradicted them. It was not easy

How may you, after reading this from G. Orwell, tell me that he believed the earth is flat? It needes a tremendous amount of ignorance and stupidity to say that Orwell believed in flat earth. Since the belive in flat earth requieres equally much ignorance and stupidity, insisting on Orwell=flat earther probably is the only logical conclusion.

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I was using it to support the point that their wide reaching arms are far better served making an example of us by creating an environment that shuns flat earthers and others that have 'wacky' ideas. As such I bolded the relevant points.

I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. As far as I understand you compare the current world we live in with Orwells fictive world. You compare Winston to the flat earth society. Correct? If not, what are you saying?
I ask you to use a simpler, easyier understandable english so we may avoid misunderstandings.
In case I understood you correct, I can just tell you again to re-ready the book. You totally missed the point of it, you then do not seem to understand why and what winston believes, and what and why the party does what it does. I will not explain you the whole book, so you either re-read it or we leave it like that.


Anyway, if you still hold to your ridiculous claim Orwell thought the earth is flat, read this
http://alexpeak.com/twr/hdykteir/
"As for the Flat Earth theory, I believe I could refute it.  If you stand by the seashore on a clear day, you can see the masts and funnels of invisible ships passing along the horizons.  This phenomenon can only be explained by assuming that the earth’s surface is curved."

Please read the whole article. It is important to understand the context and Orwell's intention with this article.

He's talking about the nature of knowledge.

"As for the Flat Earth theory, I believe I could refute it.  If you stand by the seashore on a clear day, you can see the masts and funnels of invisible ships passing along the horizons.  This phenomenon can only be explained by assuming that the earth’s surface is curved.  But it does not follow that the earth is spherical.  Imagine another theory called the Oval Earth theory, which claims that the earth is shaped like an egg.  What can I say against it?"

You are correct, he likely doesn't believe it. He clearly knows the truth though.

You still don't understand the book. I'll just leave this here and keep bumping it to point out that fact, since you seem so keen on keeping this thread alive and declaring I am a liar. Intelligent minds will know.

Measure distances and the path of the sun.

I appreciate that you came back to this thread.

He's talking about the nature of knowledge.

Exactly. That's why I wrote "Please read the whole article. It is important to understand the context and Orwell's intention with this article."

You are correct, he likely doesn't believe it(=flat earth). He clearly knows the truth though.

Exactly. But the only truth we can be sure he knew is that the world is not flat. Anything further is speculation.

You still don't understand the book.

Enlighten me. What did I not understand? How comes you know what I understood and what not?
If you seriously think we're right now living in a world similair to what Orwell described, you're a maniac. Intelligent minds will know.

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Quickly coming back to your quote:

'How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?’

Winston thought. ‘By making him suffer,’ he said.

‘Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing. Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating?

You quotet this because "I particularly like this excerpt which seems very pertinent to my last point". So what was your last point?

If they don't see us (Flat Earthers) as a threat I imagine. Their wide reaching arms are far better served making an example of us by creating an environment that shuns flat earthers and others that have 'wacky' ideas.

I fail to see the context of how your quote would support your point.

Quote from: User324 on August 30, 2016, 04:13:59 AM

If the government wanted to hide the flat earth, why does this forum exist?

If they don't see us as a threat I imagine.

True, 'they' don't see you as a threat, because the long list of things 'they' are hiding from us does not include the shape of the earth.  I do not for a moment believe the government hides nothing from us, mind you; Edward Snowden is proof enough of that.  I just think that you are nowhere near exposing anything dangerous to 'them' and therefore you are left alone.

Quote from: User324 on August 30, 2016, 10:16:56 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on August 30, 2016, 09:27:33 AM

Of course they can't hide the earth, you can see it right out your window.

You're purposly misinterpretating my question to avoid giving an answer.

Alright, gosh.

It's to their benefit that we go on existing. If this forum (and the youtube videos) suddenly disappeared wouldn't that make you a tiny bit suspicious of them?

If this site went offline I would simply assume that the unemployed dimwit who owns this site was not paying the hosting bill because they were currently in enforced custody in a mental hospital.