They do not hide the flat earth

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They do not hide the flat earth
« on: August 30, 2016, 04:13:59 AM »
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If the government wanted to hide the flat earth, why does this forum exist? Why do 1000000 youtube videos about flat earth exist? It would be so easy to delete them all.

Explain me.
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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2016, 07:26:45 AM »
Because Flat Earthers are smarter than everybody else and manage to evade the NWO.

Our agents (I work for Satan) have a devil of a time (haha) trying to find and stop them. Unfortunately Google is more evil than we are and is impervious to our Evil Rays of Submission.
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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2016, 09:27:33 AM »
Of course they can't hide the earth, you can see it right out your window.
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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2016, 10:16:56 AM »
Of course they can't hide the earth, you can see it right out your window.

You're purposly misinterpretating my question to avoid giving an answer.
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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2016, 10:30:49 AM »
Of course they can't hide the earth, you can see it right out your window.

You're purposly misinterpretating my question to avoid giving an answer.

Alright, gosh.

It's to their benefit that we go on existing. If this forum (and the youtube videos) suddenly disappeared wouldn't that make you a tiny bit suspicious of them?
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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2016, 10:36:35 AM »
If the world was really flat, people here and on youtube would find legitimate evidence which people would look at and within hours, maybe days, the whole world would know about the earth's shape. If the earth was flat, the government would have to choke off every little movement that doubt's the spehere theory. Youtube would automatically detect flat earth videos, same goes for google which wouldn't show you flat earth sites.

They might even had to arrest everyone that doubt's the earth's shape to stop any counter - movement. Read 1984 if you're into such things.

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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2016, 10:50:17 AM »
I read 1984 a long time ago.

The government doesn't have to choke off anything regarding the flatness of the earth. They already have the upper hand on all this. Roundness is taught in the schools, in pop culture, in everything. Their work is done.
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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2016, 10:56:31 AM »
Roundness is taught in the schools, in pop culture, in everything. Their work is done.
At least they teach reality, not fantasy (or, as you like to say, "theory" without an evidence, where nothing works).

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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2016, 10:58:45 AM »
"They" do not have flat earth under control. Flat earth has itself under control by not being able to show evidence.

Feel free to answer my thread, until now none of you flat earth believers have answered.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67675.0
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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2016, 05:16:44 PM »
Of course they can't hide the earth, you can see it right out your window.
You mean huge mosquitos carrying alligators away proves that the earth is flat, that's a new one.

I thought that you never opened the window for fear they would carry you away too!

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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2016, 05:20:17 PM »
I can see through the window, I don't have to open it!
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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2016, 08:32:42 AM »
I read 1984 a long time ago.

He presented himself with propositions - "the party says that the earth is flat", "the party says that ice is heavier than water" - and trained himself in not seeing or not understanding the arguments that contradicted them. It was not easy. [...] Stupidity was as necessary as intelligence, and as difficult to attain.

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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2016, 10:08:29 AM »
I read 1984 a long time ago.

He presented himself with propositions - "the party says that the earth is flat", "the party says that ice is heavier than water" - and trained himself in not seeing or not understanding the arguments that contradicted them. It was not easy. [...] Stupidity was as necessary as intelligence, and as difficult to attain.

-1984

If you want to keep a secret, you must also hide it from yourself.
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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2016, 10:24:31 AM »
I read 1984 a long time ago.

He presented himself with propositions - "the party says that the earth is flat", "the party says that ice is heavier than water" - and trained himself in not seeing or not understanding the arguments that contradicted them. It was not easy. [...] Stupidity was as necessary as intelligence, and as difficult to attain.

-1984

If you want to keep a secret, you must also hide it from yourself.

Excatly.
I am afraid you did not get the context of that statement :(


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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2016, 10:27:18 AM »
I read 1984 a long time ago.

He presented himself with propositions - "the party says that the earth is flat", "the party says that ice is heavier than water" - and trained himself in not seeing or not understanding the arguments that contradicted them. It was not easy. [...] Stupidity was as necessary as intelligence, and as difficult to attain.

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If you want to keep a secret, you must also hide it from yourself.

Excatly.
I am afraid you did not get the context of that statement :(

I'm afraid you really need to jiggle the stick you've got shoved up your bum.  ;)
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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2016, 11:21:23 AM »
I assume this quote was floating around in your head without the proper context. I'll help you out, no problem :)

First of all, the proper quote is
"For the first time he perceived that if you want to keep a secret you must also hide it from yourself"

Context:
In Orwell's 1984 dieing as a martyr is rebellion
"The first thing for you to understand is that in this place there are no martyrdoms. [...]Inquisition. It was a failure. [...]For every heretic it burned at the stake, thousands of others rose up."
"Even in the instant of death we cannot permit any deviation."

Dieing while you hate the party/big brother is rebellion
"They would have blown his brain to pieces before they could reclaim it. The heretical thought would be unpunished, unrepented, out of their reach for ever. They would have blown a hole in their own perfection. To die hating them, that was freedom"

The Party seeks to remove every small piece of freedom from oceanias citizens to manifest its power.
"The Party power entirely for its own sake. [...] Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power."

Therefore, Winston decided that his final act of rebellion against the party would be to sabotage their plan
"We convert him, we capture his inner mind, we reshape him.[...] We bring him over to our side, not in appearnce, but genuinely, heart and soul."

So Winston plans to "die hating them"

To fullfill his last plan, to be able to perform his final act of rebellion, he would have to hide the secret from himself. If he would not do so, his plan could not succeed since
"mere control of the features was not enough"
As O'Brien could detect any emotion, nearly every thought and thus would not kill him as long as he had a last bit of resistance inside of him; making it impossible for Winston to accomplish his plan, he has to hide his plan from himself.


I do not think any further explanation is needed with the given context. If you still do not understand why and how you used your "quote" wrong, you might reread the book.
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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2016, 11:54:48 AM »
I do not think any further explanation is needed with the given context.

I disagree.


The Party seeks to remove every small piece of freedom from oceanias citizens to manifest its power.
"The Party power entirely for its own sake. [...] Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power."

What is power but the consolidation of personal wealth or luxury or long life or happiness?

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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2016, 12:06:59 PM »
Power is the ability to control. In the extrem without the possibilty of opposition, even of the thought of opposition.



You do not have to agree with G. Orwells 1984, I myself do not agree with some parts. It's just a (overhyped) novel.
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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2016, 12:30:32 PM »
Big Brother is watching you.
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« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2016, 12:52:53 PM »
Wouldnt he rather be watching you since you're about to find out his truth, the flat earth?
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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2016, 12:56:38 PM »
Hi there

If the government wanted to hide the flat earth, why does this forum exist? Why do 1000000 youtube videos about flat earth exist? It would be so easy to delete them all.

Explain me.
If they don't see us as a threat I imagine. Their wide reaching arms are far better served making an example of us by creating an environment that shuns flat earthers and others that have 'wacky' ideas.

I assume this quote was floating around in your head without the proper context. I'll help you out, no problem :)

First of all, the proper quote is
"For the first time he perceived that if you want to keep a secret you must also hide it from yourself"

Context:
In Orwell's 1984 dieing as a martyr is rebellion
"The first thing for you to understand is that in this place there are no martyrdoms. [...]Inquisition. It was a failure. [...]For every heretic it burned at the stake, thousands of others rose up."
"Even in the instant of death we cannot permit any deviation."

Dieing while you hate the party/big brother is rebellion
"They would have blown his brain to pieces before they could reclaim it. The heretical thought would be unpunished, unrepented, out of their reach for ever. They would have blown a hole in their own perfection. To die hating them, that was freedom"

The Party seeks to remove every small piece of freedom from oceanias citizens to manifest its power.
"The Party power entirely for its own sake. [...] Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power."

Therefore, Winston decided that his final act of rebellion against the party would be to sabotage their plan
"We convert him, we capture his inner mind, we reshape him.[...] We bring him over to our side, not in appearnce, but genuinely, heart and soul."

So Winston plans to "die hating them"

To fullfill his last plan, to be able to perform his final act of rebellion, he would have to hide the secret from himself. If he would not do so, his plan could not succeed since
"mere control of the features was not enough"
As O'Brien could detect any emotion, nearly every thought and thus would not kill him as long as he had a last bit of resistance inside of him; making it impossible for Winston to accomplish his plan, he has to hide his plan from himself.


I do not think any further explanation is needed with the given context. If you still do not understand why and how you used your "quote" wrong, you might reread the book.

Orwell clearly knew the truth. I particularly like this excerpt which seems very pertinent to my last point:

‘Unimportant. We shall conquer them when it suits us. And if we did not, what difference would it make? We can shut them out of existence. Oceania is the world.’

‘But the world itself is only a speck of dust. And man is tiny — helpless! How long has he been in existence? For millions of years the earth was uninhabited.’

‘Nonsense. The earth is as old as we are, no older. How could it be older? Nothing exists except through human consciousness.’

‘But the rocks are full of the bones of extinct animals — mammoths and mastodons and enormous reptiles which lived here long before man was ever heard of.’

‘Have you ever seen those bones, Winston? Of course not. Nineteenth-century biologists invented them. Before man there was nothing. After man, if he could come to an end, there would be nothing. Outside man there is nothing.’

‘But the whole universe is outside us. Look at the stars! Some of them are a million light-years away. They are out of our reach for ever.’

‘What are the stars?’ said O’Brien indifferently. ‘They are bits of fire a few kilometres away. We could reach them if we wanted to. Or we could blot them out. The earth is the centre of the universe. The sun and the stars go round it.’

Winston made another convulsive movement. This time he did not say anything. O’Brien continued as though answering a spoken objection:
‘For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But what of it? Do you suppose it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? Have you forgotten doublethink?

Winston shrank back upon the bed. Whatever he said, the swift answer crushed him like a bludgeon. And yet he knew, he KNEW, that he was in the right. The belief that nothing exists outside your own mind — surely there must be some way of demonstrating that it was false? Had it not been exposed long ago as a fallacy? There was even a name for it, which he had forgotten. A faint smile twitched the corners of O’Brien’s mouth as he looked down at him.

‘I told you, Winston,’ he said, ‘that metaphysics is not your strong point. The word you are trying to think of is solipsism. But you are mistaken. This is not solipsism. Collective solipsism, if you like. But that is a different thing: in fact, the opposite thing. All this is a digression,’ he added in a different tone. ‘The real power, the power we have to fight for night and day, is not power over things, but over men.’ He paused, and for a moment assumed again his air of a schoolmaster questioning a promising pupil:

'How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?’

Winston thought. ‘By making him suffer,’ he said.

‘Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing. Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating?
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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2016, 12:58:14 PM »
Wouldnt he rather be watching you since you're about to find out his truth, the flat earth?

Only because I am better looking. 

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« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2016, 01:06:32 PM »
Wouldnt he rather be watching you since you're about to find out his truth, the flat earth?

Only because I am better looking.

Yeah you make me all hot and bothered.
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« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2016, 01:07:43 PM »
Wouldnt he rather be watching you since you're about to find out his truth, the flat earth?

Only because I am better looking.

Yeah you make me all hot and bothered.

I am not a slut, but I might let you touch my bum. 

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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2016, 01:32:18 PM »
@John Davis:
You are confusing things up.

You're citation mostly are in relation to O'Brien or you directly quote him.
O'Brien represents the totalitarian government. He uses and represents doublethink (the term is well-explained in the book if you do not remember it).
Quoting O'Brien as a support of the flat earth is contraproductive.

You might need to (re)read the book, too.
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« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2016, 02:02:42 PM »
No it's not. You might want to reread the post. I was using it to support the point that their wide reaching arms are far better served making an example of us by creating an environment that shuns flat earthers and others that have 'wacky' ideas. As such I bolded the relevant points.

Also, iirc, O'Brien here is acting in coordinate with torture to instill the idea that reality is whatever the Party says is real to cure him of his insanity and that he could just as easily say the earth was flat or round as its well within their power.

Seems to support FE well enough for me, but you can keep on suggesting to people to reread the book when they are already well aware of what they are quoting. Just looks silly.
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« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2016, 03:10:17 PM »
Orwell clearly knew the truth.

See, thats my problem.
1. You claim you know what orwell believed
2. You claim you know "the truth" = flat earth
--> In one sentence you just claim the truth two times for you, on both times obviously and provable wrong.

If you had really read the book, you'd know that orwell is mocking about the flat earth. He more or less said that believing in a flat earth requiers 2 plus 2 equals 5.
"the party says that the earth is flat", "the party says that ice is heavier than water" - and trained himself in not seeing or not understanding the arguments that contradicted them. It was not easy

How may you, after reading this from G. Orwell, tell me that he believed the earth is flat? It needes a tremendous amount of ignorance and stupidity to say that Orwell believed in flat earth. Since the belive in flat earth requieres equally much ignorance and stupidity, insisting on Orwell=flat earther probably is the only logical conclusion.

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I was using it to support the point that their wide reaching arms are far better served making an example of us by creating an environment that shuns flat earthers and others that have 'wacky' ideas. As such I bolded the relevant points.

I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. As far as I understand you compare the current world we live in with Orwells fictive world. You compare Winston to the flat earth society. Correct? If not, what are you saying?
I ask you to use a simpler, easyier understandable english so we may avoid misunderstandings.
In case I understood you correct, I can just tell you again to re-ready the book. You totally missed the point of it, you then do not seem to understand why and what winston believes, and what and why the party does what it does. I will not explain you the whole book, so you either re-read it or we leave it like that.


Anyway, if you still hold to your ridiculous claim Orwell thought the earth is flat, read this
http://alexpeak.com/twr/hdykteir/
"As for the Flat Earth theory, I believe I could refute it.  If you stand by the seashore on a clear day, you can see the masts and funnels of invisible ships passing along the horizons.  This phenomenon can only be explained by assuming that the earth’s surface is curved."

Please read the whole article. It is important to understand the context and Orwell's intention with this article.
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Re: They do not hide the flat earth
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2016, 02:35:11 AM »
I'm just giving this a quick push, so people won't forget how John Davis lies to them constantly.
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