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Flat Earth General / Re: Moonlight: Dangers & Precautions
« on: November 15, 2017, 12:38:17 PM »
Monday will mark an all time high of people looking towards the moon. Expect significant rises in crime, sickness, and accidents. Always make sure to wear suitable protection while viewing the moon.
Why do you appear to reject convention scientific wisdom that considers moonlight to be no more than reflected sunlight.
Thank you

You didn't

I usually don't get down in the fray, butt!!! Anybody else get a mental replay of Obi Wan saying "who is more foolish...?"

You seriously played the conventional wisdom card here?

Bwahahahaahaha!!!!!!

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Flat Earth General / Re: Shadow of horizon
« on: November 14, 2017, 11:29:15 AM »
Interesting... Someone will have to help me find a time lapse video of the Chicago skyline from the east at sunrise on a clear day. I found two that showed the sunlight brightening halfway up then rolling down. Couldn't find one that lit from the top down. But hey, I'm no googlist.

I will have to make that a goal this summer.

Also couldn't find one for any open ocean oriented cliff face that I could rule out cloud diffusion at daybreak.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Git er dun
« on: November 13, 2017, 09:38:10 AM »
But why would anyone backing a globe and NASA want to be here? I can tell you that I don't hang around sites that do not hold my views unless I'm looking for perspective. And then I don't judge, educate, nor berate.

I mean if children start spouting anything weird, is that grounds to jump dead in their ass? Everyone once in a while my kids come home with climate change or how bad America is from their school and I ask until they remember to ask and it goes away. So how did all the piss and vinegar get spilled around here anyway? Wait! Let me guess.... "They started it! <->"

Again, to bring it back home. I see two things that would convince me either way:
First, several ships circumnavigate the continent, then if there is some anomaly overfly the poles en mass. Then we will know if we have to worry about a threat much closer to home or if we just need to stop these idiots trying to call ET.

I mean, if you want proof that either nobody is 'out there' or there is no 'out there' ask yourself this "we are afraid of the russians so we only advance when they advance, why would we draw attention to our impotent little dirt ball that we can't even escape or properly defend from orbital bombardment? ” NASA won't admit aliens on the moon, but they sure as hell will jump up and down screaming we're here and we are weak! I would have them all up against the wall.

Quo warranto

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Flat Earth General / Re: Git er dun
« on: November 11, 2017, 09:52:26 AM »
It's far easier just to ignore you delusional flatters.
Then why are you engaging them?

From OP
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"Why is there no serious interest in putting this question to rest?"


Get there firstest with the mostest and setup a cargo line specifically for these routes. The maiden voyage would be this expedition, then taken over for commercial use. Build one in every country sort of like 2012.

Etc.

My answer:

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It's far easier just to ignore you delusional flatters

This confused you?

It's far easier for them just to ignore you delusional flatters.

Understand now?
I'm starting to understand! This site is like the muppet show where there is a lame attempt by misfits to do something real, while unproductive hecklers snipe and poke at the effort? Unless I miss my guess, and I never do.


Wait...
So there's no group of explorers following in the background for a serious conversation about actually answering anything? This is just a banter site and EVERY thread turns into 3 or 4 people tag teaming a smack down?

-snap!- so that's why there is an exclusive member forum!

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Flat Earth General / Re: Git er dun
« on: November 06, 2017, 09:09:20 AM »
So stop playing the lottery and dating because those are statistically unwinnable also. I won't be here long, don't worry. Just long enough to give teamwork, sharing, and validity a shot. Maybe 6 months tops. Then I'm off to my own plan. I have my own goals in settling this improbability. And before you get all wifey again, I'm pretty capable mathematically and conceptually I can follow the threads of why there's a debate between Tesla and Einstein. I've found counter points every major proof I can find; otherwise I would not be here asking.

A lesson I've learned in life is that you pay attention to the crazy ass Didacts more that the professionals. Its a lot more entertaining!

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Flat Earth General / Re: Delete topic about our expedition, Why?
« on: November 06, 2017, 08:51:11 AM »
I don't think special equipment is needed either. Gyrocompasses maybe. A special overland expedition might not be needed, must a counter directional circumnavigation with the gyros. Being that back and look for anything that is amiss like the apogee of courses meeting way layer than anticipated or an excessive amount of government intervention for "safety" or "training." As I submitted before. Multiple groups on the same track from different start points.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Delete topic about our expedition, Why?
« on: November 05, 2017, 10:38:32 AM »
So the plan is to walk around in the snow I until you get disoriented or redirected or until you give up? Why not do something that could be converted to a business when the expedition is done?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earthers, don't you think it's time to...?
« on: November 05, 2017, 10:26:34 AM »
I don't think a lack of trust leads to hatred. I feel its beliefs that spawn hatred.

Why not seek the one undeniable proof and just prove it? People won't believe a government or privileged group, but I would believe a mass effort in real time.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Git er dun
« on: November 05, 2017, 10:18:40 AM »
Debatable? I'm married. Rethink that one please. Read: anything is debatable

Only 4 maybe? What a shame.

To the argument that the world is round, period. So you're here to convert anyone that is wondering or thinks it would be a worth while endeavor to explore the possibility. OK, I suppose that is a valid point, except that doesn't really solve anything. Your not answering anything to the effect of a massive cover up. You're not assuaging any fears that there might be a larger answer for ALL the phenomena and we as a civilization might not like it.

Again, what are you afraid of? You think it's going to hurt something to overfly the poles? I'm not afraid of being wrong. I'm more afraid of not ever going out there to try. I am hoping the world is round. Because it means I can stop wondering of something bigger and nastier is out there.

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Flat Earth General / Git er dun
« on: October 31, 2017, 07:42:40 PM »
So I've been trolling around this site for a while and have some questions.

"Why is there no serious interest in putting this question to rest?"

Why the endless debate? I mean if suckers voters are willing to shell out billions in an obvious puppet show of historic proportions, can't some smart advertising people trolling around here get a campaign going to fund this?

"What are you serious people afraid of"

Being wrong? I personally lean towards a flat earth, but not because I want to. (I have my own motives.) I'm a trekkie and this would seriously put a wrinkle in my hopes and dreams. But I think this controversy under-girds most everything else that people contend with and chiefly that of religion. I'll leave the religion alone....for now.
So what if it's wrong? I look at evidence and in the three years I've been aware of this as a serious question I've traveled deeply through the questions that are held against authoritative institutions. I just had my last doubt moved into the category of 'inconclusive.' Everything else is already there. The only catch is that in order to see things from either POV, I need to adjust what is possible and suspend the 'why' and 'how.'

"Why is it not possible to answer this?"

I dug through here and found several ideas that would solve this question so we can move on. One idea was an expedition using a hot air balloon. LAUGHABLE. Wouldn't it just follow the prevailing winds and the goal of finding and possibly crossing a barrier be improbable? How about this: in 1937 a zeppelin visited the north pole with several teams of researchers. I checked the docs and flight path and the true north pole was not visited. Points for the attempt, but obviously a dog and pony show. If that tech can be used then why not now. The cost of these things comparatively low against tech needed to get there->find the wall->get over it-> travel for any appreciable distance->return with proof. Except for one change. A FLEET of them. five or more. Because as it is said in the Army, "two is one, and one is none" and "more is better." Launch from all axis or from one continent but in line-ahead. Cameras on everything. Live. With Jeraldo. NO GO's, contractors, or institutions, individuals contracted and selected from a larger pool trained for that task only. Like a civilian NASA.

"Who would believe anything that is done?"

I wouldn't. Unless it is crowd funded and human crewed. NO drones!!!. So here's an angle, but I'm not too sharp on the economics. These things are being developed buy the aerospace industry anyway. They were a contender for a heavy lift system for the military. Get there firstest with the mostest and setup a cargo line specifically for these routes. The maiden voyage would be this expedition, then taken over for commercial use. Build one in every country sort of like 2012.

"What would happen either way?"

ha-ha! That's the scary part of this. Getting it done is not like landing on the moon or anything. But, really then what? Not much would change. Every controversy would have to be crowd debunked. If Peter Theil and the seasteading movement were smart, they would do this first and kick the struts out from under the rickety system that runs this world.

Oh, wait, yeah... they don't really want to do that either.

So who's got skills? Who's not afraid to fall off the edge of the world? I bet it could be done within 24 months. If hydrogen(no, I've never heard of the LZ129) were used then the bags, frames, controls, engines, and avionics would need to be procured/manufactured. Look up natural gas and see if that's a viable fuel and available in Antarctica.

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