The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth General => Topic started by: Really on May 29, 2018, 11:20:39 PM
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It is interesting to me that FEs will argue to their last breath over the issue of a spherical or flat earth. They will quickly say the moon landing was a fake, gravity doesn't exist, and of course, the paths of the sun and moon are simply running circles over the earth. When it comes to the Van Allen radiation belt though, none of them has seen it in photographs, measured it with instrumentation, or observed it in any manner yet; they will glom on to the notion of it and attempt to use it as proof as to why man could never go into space or land on the moon.
So... what proof does the FE Society have the Van Allen radiation belt actually exists?
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Playing devil's advocate, they probably don't believe in the Van Allen belt either. However us round earhers do, so they are trying to use are own views against us. Since we claim that it exists, we have to answer for it.
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The Van Allen belt argument of lander conspiracy theorists always annoyed me a bit. It always seems based on one NASA engineer saying manned space flight is limited to low earth orbit.
This was almost certainly just sloppy wording. He should have said the type of manned space flight we are currently doing (ie orbital flight) is limited to low earth orbit. For instance the ISS needs periodic boosting to overcome atmospheric drag, and I guess it would be more convenient if it was a bit higher.
In this context, it’s pretty reasonable to say we are limited to low orbit.
However, if they resumed the kind of space flight where they were actually trying to get somewhere, they’d just need to plot a trajectory that minimises the exposure. Just as they did with Apollo.
Unless someone can prove with numbers that it was impossible for Apollo to do this, they have nothing. And being a bit reckless with health and safety wouldn’t count either.
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Playing devil's advocate, they probably don't believe in the Van Allen belt either. However us round earhers do, so they are trying to use are own views against us. Since we claim that it exists, we have to answer for it.
Ah... actually, if you watch a number of the "we didn't land on the moon" videos, one of their primary arguments is that we couldn't possibly pass through the VH radiation belts. Often times, this introduces the discussion on the Aurora Australis (S) and Aurora Borealis (N). A whole new song and dance of trying to explaining those ensues :)
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The Van Allen belt argument of lander conspiracy theorists always annoyed me a bit. It always seems based on one NASA engineer saying manned space flight is limited to low earth orbit.
This was almost certainly just sloppy wording. He should have said the type of manned space flight we are currently doing (ie orbital flight) is limited to low earth orbit. For instance the ISS needs periodic boosting to overcome atmospheric drag, and I guess it would be more convenient if it was a bit higher.
In this context, it’s pretty reasonable to say we are limited to low orbit.
However, if they resumed the kind of space flight where they were actually trying to get somewhere, they’d just need to plot a trajectory that minimises the exposure. Just as they did with Apollo.
Unless someone can prove with numbers that it was impossible for Apollo to do this, they have nothing. And being a bit reckless with health and safety wouldn’t count either.
Aye, the thing is... FEs have no proof either way but, it is convenient for them to grab hold of one thing NASA says and run with that while at the same time, choosing to deny how we even know it exists in the first place. For the sake of clarity, a detailed discussion of the pros and cons of travelling to the moon will generally include a description of the VH radiation belt as a hazard. Fine... but, they will accept that as prima facie evidence that the VH radiation belt exists. When the discussion gets to the lunar orbit, you then hear, "Oh hell no! We can't do that because the VH radiation belt will burn up the spacecraft because it's only made out of tin foil and paper mache"... :)
If you read how the Van Allen radiation belt got its name... you will have to wonder why FEs would accept the word of an educated scientist.
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True, but in this case I meant lander conspiracy theorists in general.
FEers are a very small subset of those.
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True, but in this case I meant lander conspiracy theorists in general.
FEers are a very small subset of those.
Aye, understood. I guess it's my fault because even if I accidentally stepped in a pile of faeces on my lawn at night, I wouldn't care if it belonged to a cat, dog, horse, or human. I would not like it because it was faeces in my yard and on my foot. :)
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True, but in this case I meant lander conspiracy theorists in general.
FEers are a very small subset of those.
Ok, honest question. Does this mean that all FEs are definitely lander conspiracy theorists but, not all lander conspiracy theorists are FEs? Come to think of it, I don't know if I have encountered an FE that believes we landed on the moon. Great! I'm on a quest to find one now :)
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Playing devil's advocate, they probably don't believe in the Van Allen belt either. However us round earhers do, so they are trying to use are own views against us. Since we claim that it exists, we have to answer for it.
Ah... actually, if you watch a number of the "we didn't land on the moon" videos, one of their primary arguments is that we couldn't possibly pass through the VH radiation belts. Often times, this introduces the discussion on the Aurora Australis (S) and Aurora Borealis (N). A whole new song and dance of trying to explaining those ensues :)
Well, moon landing deniers aren't necessarily flat earthers. There are plenty who denounce flat earth but believe that we didn't land on the moon.
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Playing devil's advocate, they probably don't believe in the Van Allen belt either. However us round earhers do, so they are trying to use are own views against us. Since we claim that it exists, we have to answer for it.
Ah... actually, if you watch a number of the "we didn't land on the moon" videos, one of their primary arguments is that we couldn't possibly pass through the VH radiation belts. Often times, this introduces the discussion on the Aurora Australis (S) and Aurora Borealis (N). A whole new song and dance of trying to explaining those ensues :)
Well, moon landing deniers aren't necessarily flat earthers. There are plenty who denounce flat earth but believe that we didn't land on the moon.
Aye right. I can understand that but, I highly doubt we can find an FE that will believe we ever landed on the moon. :)
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Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.
I shall watch this thread with interest.
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Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.
I shall watch this thread with interest.
The VH belts don't offer safety for sure. The point is... FEs accept the VH radiation belts as fact yet, will deny just about everything else coming from the serpent's tongue :)
Some radiation is reflected. Gamma rays pierce just about any object in their path. There are many different forms of radiation so... you have to qualify the statement in a little more detail.
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Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.
I shall watch this thread with interest.
The VH belts don't offer safety for sure. The point is... FEs accept the VH radiation belts as fact yet, will deny just about everything else coming from the serpent's tongue :)
Some radiation is reflected. Gamma rays pierce just about any object in their path. There are many different forms of radiation so... you have to qualify the statement in a little more detail.
VA Belt radiation is particulate radiation, electrons and protons, and that is comparatively easily blocked.
Any gamma radiation there simply part of cosmic radiation present out the belts as well.
This a little of an earlier post on the VA Belts.
NASA did a lot of research before the moon missions. As a result, they- chose a translunar injection trajectory that was far "south" of the equatorial plane to avoid the worst of the radiation,
- determined that the type of radiation (largely particulate, not gamma radiation) was easily blocked by light materials that were part of the spacecraft's structure anyway and
- fitted the spacecraft and crew with radiation monitors to ensure that their calculations were correct.
CLAVIUS ENVIRONMENT, Radiation and the Van Allen Belts (http://www.clavius.org/envrad.html) goes a lot more into the VA belt radiation hazard.
And there is more detail in Re: The Earth is flat... now what? « Reply #442 on: July 10, 2017, 11:21:20 AM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=70964.msg1927614#msg1927614)
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Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.
I shall watch this thread with interest.
This is all pure garbage.
If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...
You guys and your "religion," are really mental...
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Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.
I shall watch this thread with interest.
This is all pure garbage.
If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...
You guys and your "religion," are really mental...
If the VH belts exist, the only way FE knows about them is because NASA said told them :) FEs are cherry-picking which information to believe in and which information to discard. But.. let's move on to the auroras at the North and South pole. How do they work on a flat earth?
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Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.
I shall watch this thread with interest.
This is all pure garbage.
If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...
You guys and your "religion," are really mental...
If the VH belts exist, the only way FE knows about them is because NASA said told them :) FEs are cherry-picking which information to believe in and which information to discard. But.. let's move on to the auroras at the North and South pole. How do they work on a flat earth?
Why would NASA be the only way?
If you want to "move on," I suggest you open a new thread Copernicus...
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Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.
I shall watch this thread with interest.
This is all pure garbage.
If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...
You guys and your "religion," are really mental...
If the VH belts exist, the only way FE knows about them is because NASA said told them :) FEs are cherry-picking which information to believe in and which information to discard. But.. let's move on to the auroras at the North and South pole. How do they work on a flat earth?
Why would NASA be the only way?
If you want to "move on," I suggest you open a new thread Copernicus...
Who else proposed the existence of radiation belts or a magnetic field surrounding earth?
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Why would NASA be the only way?
If you want to "move on," I suggest you open a new thread Copernicus...
...or maybe, just maybe, an FE could even attempt to explain how they think the auroras work on a flat earth. Hell, I'm open-minded. Lay it on me. Whip my ass with information. Make me a believer. Convert me. Hold me down and just h0rk the information into my brain! :)
Crap... I would even pay for a scientific explanation of how it works on a flat earth. I'm just beside myself with anticipation. Jeez... I need to go rub one out because this is so exciting!
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Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.
I shall watch this thread with interest.
This is all pure garbage.
If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...
You guys and your "religion," are really mental...
If the VH belts exist, the only way FE knows about them is because NASA said told them :) FEs are cherry-picking which information to believe in and which information to discard. But.. let's move on to the auroras at the North and South pole. How do they work on a flat earth?
Why would NASA be the only way?
If you want to "move on," I suggest you open a new thread Copernicus...
Who else proposed the existence of radiation belts or a magnetic field surrounding earth?
Try typing the words Van Allen belts into google and answer the question yourself.
The existence of a compass predates NASA by quite some time there Einstein...
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Why would NASA be the only way?
If you want to "move on," I suggest you open a new thread Copernicus...
...or maybe, just maybe, an FE could even attempt to explain how they think the auroras work on a flat earth. Hell, I'm open-minded. Lay it on me. Whip my ass with information. Make me a believer. Convert me. Hold me down and just h0rk the information into my brain! :)
Crap... I would even pay for a scientific explanation of how it works on a flat earth. I'm just beside myself with anticipation. Jeez... I need to go rub one out because this is so exciting!
Or maybe you could stick to the topi...
Forget it....
You should really excuse yourself from the forum, being so unarmed...
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Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.
I shall watch this thread with interest.
This is all pure garbage.
If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...
You guys and your "religion," are really mental...
If the VH belts exist, the only way FE knows about them is because NASA said told them :) FEs are cherry-picking which information to believe in and which information to discard. But.. let's move on to the auroras at the North and South pole. How do they work on a flat earth?
Why would NASA be the only way?
If you want to "move on," I suggest you open a new thread Copernicus...
Who else proposed the existence of radiation belts or a magnetic field surrounding earth?
Try typing the words Van Allen belts into google and answer the question yourself.
The existence of a compass predates NASA by quite some time there Einstein...
WTF does a compass have to do with the Aurora Borealis or the Aurora Australis and how they work on a flat earth?
Again... a complete let-down. Yet another FE cannot explain how something works. Instead, you point me to Google. Hahahahahahaha!
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Why would NASA be the only way?
If you want to "move on," I suggest you open a new thread Copernicus...
...or maybe, just maybe, an FE could even attempt to explain how they think the auroras work on a flat earth. Hell, I'm open-minded. Lay it on me. Whip my ass with information. Make me a believer. Convert me. Hold me down and just h0rk the information into my brain! :)
Crap... I would even pay for a scientific explanation of how it works on a flat earth. I'm just beside myself with anticipation. Jeez... I need to go rub one out because this is so exciting!
Or maybe you could stick to the topi...
Forget it....
You should really excuse yourself from the forum, being so unarmed...
I started the topic, Homeslice :)
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You should really excuse yourself from the forum, being so unarmed...
Hahahahaha... that is funny :) Unarmed :) *chuckle* *snort* Yep, yep, yep... I'm a retard. No education at all. I lived my whole life just pouring water over a grapefruit, trying to convince people there was no gravity because the water didn't stick to it. :)
Weeeee! I'm a muppet :) When someone asks me a question, I call them stupid and tell them to Google it! And OMG, if you get smart enough, you can actually learn to use Wikipedia as your primary source reference! Mmmm Ahhhh :)
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If the VH belts exist, the only way FE knows about them is because NASA said told them :) FEs are cherry-picking which information to believe in and which information to discard. But.. let's move on to the auroras at the North and South pole. How do they work on a flat earth?
Why would NASA be the only way?
How would you even know that the Van Allen belts existed were it for James Van Allen and his team placing a Geiger counter and an altimeter on Explorer I, the first American satellite, to take radiation readings at different heights?
Technically NASA was not created until Oct. 1, 1958, but Van Allen and that team were part of what became NASA.
Read a bit more in Van Allen Probes, A Short History of Earth's Radiation Belts (https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/rbsp/science/rbsp-history.html).
All people know came from satellites and sounding rockets launched by NASA other space agencies.
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If the VH belts exist, the only way FE knows about them is because NASA said told them :) FEs are cherry-picking which information to believe in and which information to discard. But.. let's move on to the auroras at the North and South pole. How do they work on a flat earth?
Why would NASA be the only way?
How would you even know that the Van Allen belts existed were it for James Van Allen and his team placing a Geiger counter and an altimeter on Explorer I, the first American satellite, to take radiation readings at different heights?
Technically NASA was not created until Oct. 1, 1958, but Van Allen and that team were part of what became NASA.
Read a bit more in Van Allen Probes, A Short History of Earth's Radiation Belts (https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/rbsp/science/rbsp-history.html).
All people know came from satellites and sounding rockets launched by NASA other space agencies.
You're right :) You won't find an argument with me. I worked for NASA for 4 years. I've seen satellites... I've seen the data that comes back from satellites... I maintained massive systems between 6 NASA locations that crunched the data into a myriad of different image products. F*ck bro... you are preaching to the choir. The earth is a spherical globe. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind about that. Hell, I've even seen the burned out hull of Apollo 1. It's not a damn conspiracy. NASA has developed more technology that we use every day and people have no clue where it came from.
So yeah... I guess to these people, I'm the spawn of Satan or something. To me.. Jeez.. I honestly find it hard to believe just how ignorant some of these people are. :)
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Why would NASA be the only way?
If you want to "move on," I suggest you open a new thread Copernicus...
...or maybe, just maybe, an FE could even attempt to explain how they think the auroras work on a flat earth. Hell, I'm open-minded. Lay it on me. Whip my ass with information. Make me a believer. Convert me. Hold me down and just h0rk the information into my brain! :)
Crap... I would even pay for a scientific explanation of how it works on a flat earth. I'm just beside myself with anticipation. Jeez... I need to go rub one out because this is so exciting!
Or maybe you could stick to the topi...
Forget it....
You should really excuse yourself from the forum, being so unarmed...
I started the topic, Homeslice :)
You started a topic labeled Van Allen radiation belt, in order to write about aurora...
I see...
Severe disconnect in progress...
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If the VH belts exist, the only way FE knows about them is because NASA said told them :) FEs are cherry-picking which information to believe in and which information to discard. But.. let's move on to the auroras at the North and South pole. How do they work on a flat earth?
Why would NASA be the only way?
How would you even know that the Van Allen belts existed were it for James Van Allen and his team placing a Geiger counter and an altimeter on Explorer I, the first American satellite, to take radiation readings at different heights?
Technically NASA was not created until Oct. 1, 1958, but Van Allen and that team were part of what became NASA.
Read a bit more in Van Allen Probes, A Short History of Earth's Radiation Belts (https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/rbsp/science/rbsp-history.html).
All people know came from satellites and sounding rockets launched by NASA other space agencies.
I worked for NASA for 4 years.
LMMFAO!!!
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Why would NASA be the only way?
If you want to "move on," I suggest you open a new thread Copernicus...
...or maybe, just maybe, an FE could even attempt to explain how they think the auroras work on a flat earth. Hell, I'm open-minded. Lay it on me. Whip my ass with information. Make me a believer. Convert me. Hold me down and just h0rk the information into my brain! :)
Crap... I would even pay for a scientific explanation of how it works on a flat earth. I'm just beside myself with anticipation. Jeez... I need to go rub one out because this is so exciting!
Or maybe you could stick to the topi...
Forget it....
You should really excuse yourself from the forum, being so unarmed...
I started the topic, Homeslice :)
You started a topic labeled Van Allen radiation belt, in order to write about aurora...
I see...
Severe disconnect in progress...
It's a tangential discussion. The VH belts and auroras are easily included under the same topic. But then again, I know I am really setting high expectations to hope that you would understand that. ;)
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LMMFAO!!!
Yeah... it's a trip for you, I'm sure. :) Here... go Google the words, "DAAC, NASA". Wooo... spook stuff... NOT! It's public information.
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You started a topic labeled Van Allen radiation belt, in order to write about aurora...
I see...
Severe disconnect in progress...
Here.. let me help you. Using your favourite scholarly tool, enter the following search criteria;
"van allen belt, aurora"
Google will suffice. Happy researching ;)
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Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.
I shall watch this thread with interest.
This is all pure garbage.
If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...
You guys and your "religion," are really mental...
It's simply a question of money. You guys, with rabid beliefs and zero evidence to support them are closer to religious than the science guys who have mountains of evidence to support their positions.
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If the VH belts exist, the only way FE knows about them is because NASA said told them :) FEs are cherry-picking which information to believe in and which information to discard. But.. let's move on to the auroras at the North and South pole. How do they work on a flat earth?
Why would NASA be the only way?
How would you even know that the Van Allen belts existed were it for James Van Allen and his team placing a Geiger counter and an altimeter on Explorer I, the first American satellite, to take radiation readings at different heights?
Technically NASA was not created until Oct. 1, 1958, but Van Allen and that team were part of what became NASA.
Read a bit more in Van Allen Probes, A Short History of Earth's Radiation Belts (https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/rbsp/science/rbsp-history.html).
All people know came from satellites and sounding rockets launched by NASA other space agencies.
NASA did not even exist at the time of their supposed discovery.
Measured (supposedly) at one to three points by supposedly three different probes on three different launches in 1958, prior to the existence of NASA...
You guys are so disingenuous it defies belief.
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It's simply a question of money. You guys, with rabid beliefs and zero evidence to support them are closer to religious than the science guys who have mountains of FICTION to support their positions.
FTFY.
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Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.
I shall watch this thread with interest.
This is all pure garbage.
If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...
You guys and your "religion," are really mental...
It's simply a question of money. You guys, with rabid beliefs and zero evidence to support them are closer to religious than the science guys who have mountains of evidence to support their positions.
The funny thing about the "going to Orion" is, Orion is a constellation. I don't believe there are any planets in Orion though :)
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WTF does a compass have to do with the Aurora Borealis or the Aurora Australis and how they work on a flat earth?
Again... a complete let-down. Yet another FE cannot explain how something works. Instead, you point me to Google. Hahahahahahaha!
You wrote "magnetic field."
A compass is all about magnetism.
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If the VH belts exist, the only way FE knows about them is because NASA said told them :) FEs are cherry-picking which information to believe in and which information to discard. But.. let's move on to the auroras at the North and South pole. How do they work on a flat earth?
Why would NASA be the only way?
How would you even know that the Van Allen belts existed were it for James Van Allen and his team placing a Geiger counter and an altimeter on Explorer I, the first American satellite, to take radiation readings at different heights?
Technically NASA was not created until Oct. 1, 1958, but Van Allen and that team were part of what became NASA.
Read a bit more in Van Allen Probes, A Short History of Earth's Radiation Belts (https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/rbsp/science/rbsp-history.html).
All people know came from satellites and sounding rockets launched by NASA other space agencies.
NASA did not even exist at the time of their supposed discovery.
Measured (supposedly) at one to three points by supposedly three different probes on three different launches in 1958, prior to the existence of NASA...
You guys are so disingenuous it defies belief.
Oh? Who launched those probes? :) Cite your sources, genius.
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WTF does a compass have to do with the Aurora Borealis or the Aurora Australis and how they work on a flat earth?
Again... a complete let-down. Yet another FE cannot explain how something works. Instead, you point me to Google. Hahahahahahaha!
You wrote "magnetic field."
A compass is all about magnetism.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... :D If you're not going to read, at least go look at the pictures of the VH belts :) HAHAHAHAHAHA Doofus.. My God.
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If the VH belts exist, the only way FE knows about them is because NASA said told them :) FEs are cherry-picking which information to believe in and which information to discard. But.. let's move on to the auroras at the North and South pole. How do they work on a flat earth?
Why would NASA be the only way?
How would you even know that the Van Allen belts existed were it for James Van Allen and his team placing a Geiger counter and an altimeter on Explorer I, the first American satellite, to take radiation readings at different heights?
Technically NASA was not created until Oct. 1, 1958, but Van Allen and that team were part of what became NASA.
Read a bit more in Van Allen Probes, A Short History of Earth's Radiation Belts (https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/rbsp/science/rbsp-history.html).
All people know came from satellites and sounding rockets launched by NASA other space agencies.
NASA did not even exist at the time of their supposed discovery.
Measured (supposedly) at one to three points by supposedly three different probes on three different launches in 1958, prior to the existence of NASA...
You guys are so disingenuous it defies belief.
Oh? Who launched those probes? :) Cite your sources, genius.
It was not NASA you asshat...
CLAIMS HE WORKED FOR NASA and does not know the basics.
Liar....
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WTF does a compass have to do with the Aurora Borealis or the Aurora Australis and how they work on a flat earth?
Again... a complete let-down. Yet another FE cannot explain how something works. Instead, you point me to Google. Hahahahahahaha!
You wrote "magnetic field."
A compass is all about magnetism.
You must be a tradesman or simply work at McDonalds. :) You can't possibly be that ignorant. I refuse to accept that anyone is that uneducated.
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It was not NASA you asshat...
"Who was it then?", my slack-jawed friend.
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WTF does a compass have to do with the Aurora Borealis or the Aurora Australis and how they work on a flat earth?
Again... a complete let-down. Yet another FE cannot explain how something works. Instead, you point me to Google. Hahahahahahaha!
You wrote "magnetic field."
A compass is all about magnetism.
You must be a tradesman or simply work at McDonalds. :) You can't possibly be that ignorant. I refuse to accept that anyone is that uneducated.
Must be tough living inside your own uneducated head then...
What a dipshit!
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It was not NASA you asshat...
CLAIMS HE WORKED FOR NASA and does not know the basics.
Liar....
Yeah... I did indeed. But... how would you even know what the basics are? It's evident from your communications that you would have difficulty making a cheese sandwich.
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Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.
I shall watch this thread with interest.
This is all pure garbage.
If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...
You guys and your "religion," are really mental...
It's simply a question of money. You guys, with rabid beliefs and zero evidence to support them are closer to religious than the science guys who have mountains of evidence to support their positions.
The funny thing about the "going to Orion" is, Orion is a constellation. I don't believe there are any planets in Orion though :)
Tremendous doofus...
One of you other RE-tards kindly explain the subject material to this f***twit prior o letting him post here again...
God you guys are even more imbecilic now than you were over a month ago!
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Must be tough living inside your own uneducated head then...
What a dipshit!
We're all still waiting for something useful. Go ahead... step up to the plate and impress us with your intellectual prowess. OMG, I get chills being in the presence of such a mental powerhouse. *chuckle* *snort*
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It was not NASA you asshat...
CLAIMS HE WORKED FOR NASA and does not know the basics.
Liar....
Yeah... I did indeed. But... how would you even know what the basics are? It's evident from your communications that you would have difficulty making a cheese sandwich.
Oh horseshit!
If you worked for NASA then you would know about Orion and could read basic English.
You are just f***ing liar.
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Tremendous doofus...
One of you other RE-tards kindly explain the subject material to this f***twit prior o letting him post here again...
God you guys are even more imbecilic now than you were over a month ago!
Can't you defend your own position? In any event, please calm down. I wouldn't want you to self-immolate and burn your house down to the axels.
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It was not NASA you asshat...
CLAIMS HE WORKED FOR NASA and does not know the basics.
Liar....
Yeah... I did indeed. But... how would you even know what the basics are? It's evident from your communications that you would have difficulty making a cheese sandwich.
Oh horseshit!
If you worked for NASA then you would know about Orion and could read basic English.
You are just f***ing liar.
I do know about Orion. If you Google it real quick, you can find the names of two bright stars that you have heard used in TV shows. Quick.. hurry. Go.. shoo shoo. :)
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Tremendous doofus...
One of you other RE-tards kindly explain the subject material to this f***twit prior o letting him post here again...
God you guys are even more imbecilic now than you were over a month ago!
Can't you defend your own position? In any event, please calm down. I wouldn't want you to self-immolate and burn your house down to the axels.
My position is that you are disingenuous, lying little f***twit, as evidenced by your own writing and it is strongly and staunchly defended by your replies throughout this thread.
You have a distinct inability to read English and have no clue as to when an organization you claim to have worked for was formed.
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It's simply a question of money. You guys, with rabid beliefs and zero evidence to support them are closer to religious than the science guys who have mountains of FICTION to support their positions.
FTFY.
I love it when you guys can't actually refute something with facts so you have to change what someone else said. It really shows how ignorant you are.
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Oh horseshit!
If you worked for NASA then you would know about Orion and could read basic English.
You are just f***ing liar.
Mate... it doesn't phase me in the least that you doubt me. :) A f*cking liar you call me. You don't know me from Adam yet, just like your FE beliefs, you refuse to believe the truth regardless of how it is presented to you.
Sorry but... I can't help you. You just can't tell a stupid person they are stupid. They won't believe you. They lack the mental capacity to recognise what they do not understand.
So... off to work you go. Twist that pipe, flip that burger, drive that nail. The world does need people like you. Just please don't talk while you're doing all that work. ;)
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My position is that you are disingenuous, lying little f***twit, as evidenced by your own writing and it is strongly and staunchly defended by your replies throughout this thread.
You have a distinct inability to read English and have no clue as to when an organization you claim to have worked for was formed.
The floor is yours. By all means, share your knowledge with us. Ejaculate the contents of your brain on this subject. Impress me. Lord Jesus, bless this man with the gift of gab so he can share his bountiful knowledge. :)
Please, enlighten us!
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You have a distinct inability to read English and have no clue as to when an organization you claim to have worked for was formed.
You know... I will admit that I've worked for a number of organisations and never once bothered to read about their history. For instance, IBM... what they are today as compared to what they were in their first few years... yeah nah... far cry between the two. So yeah, call that a personality flaw in me. I could rightly give a f*ckall about a lot of that crap because many of the 100 year old organisations do not hold to the same values they once did. That became evident to me when Exxon dumped it's "old" employees with an early retirement scheme. Since then, company loyalty took a nose dive so, I don't care about hearing their BS history.
What I do know though is this; each and every one of the organisations I worked for paid me handsomely for what I do. That's probably the reason I can be a condescending, asshat toward you because I know you are ignorant and I could probably guess that you don't have 2 nickels to rub together. So yeah... you can call that a personality flaw also. ;)
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Total, calling people "fucktwits" and "fucking liars" isn't helping you.
You haven't answered any questions, nor have you provided any evidence. I'd suggest starting there before continuing those ad hominem attacks.
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Total, calling people "fucktwits" and "fucking liars" isn't helping you.
You haven't answered any questions, nor have you provided any evidence. I'd suggest starting there before continuing those ad hominem attacks.
Excellent response but... I think you exceeded his attention span at; You haven't answered any questions. You expect much from this audience, don't you :)
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That went downhill fast.
Finally!
This is the kind of debate I’ve seen on YouTube. I was starting to think there weren’t any real flat earthers here. :D
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That went downhill fast.
Finally!
This is the kind of debate I’ve seen on YouTube. I was starting to think there weren’t any real flat earthers here. :D
I'm certainly not a FE. No way... Jeez, I feel like I need a shower now. I hope I didn't project that image onto anyone. Ugh... Ick! :)
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Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.
I shall watch this thread with interest.
This is all pure garbage.
If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...
You guys and your "religion," are really mental...
Umm... You do realize that NASA is currently in the process of going straight ahead with Orion, don't you? In fact, they even launched one a few years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploration_Flight_Test_1
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Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.
I shall watch this thread with interest.
This is all pure garbage.
If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...
You guys and your "religion," are really mental...
Umm... You do realize that NASA is currently in the process of going straight ahead with Orion, don't you? In fact, they even launched one a few years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploration_Flight_Test_1
“NASA heavily promoted the mission, collaborating with Sesame Street and its characters to educate children about the flight test and the Orion spacecraft“
Indoctrination confirmed!
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Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.
I shall watch this thread with interest.
This is all pure garbage.
If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...
You guys and your "religion," are really mental...
Umm... You do realize that NASA is currently in the process of going straight ahead with Orion, don't you? In fact, they even launched one a few years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploration_Flight_Test_1
Ummm, that's the name of the spacecraft... not a chartered mission to a massive constellation. :)
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Incidentally, it’s a bit weird they reused the Orion name.
I alway associate it with the slightly mad 50s/60s concept for a spaceship that dropped nukes behind it for propulsion:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)
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Indoctrination confirmed!
What's the difference between indoctrination and education?
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Incidentally, it’s a bit weird they reused the Orion name.
I alway associate it with the slightly mad 50s/60s concept for a spaceship that dropped nukes behind it for propulsion:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)
Why do you consider it weird? To some, it might be weirder the Manhattan Project appears to have been named after a city in New York? In any event, I think we have established that there are no plans to fire a rocket toward the constellation Orion. :)
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In any event, I think we have established that there are no plans to fire a rocket toward the constellation Orion. :)
I don't think that anyone said that there were any such plans.
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In any event, I think we have established that there are no plans to fire a rocket toward the constellation Orion. :)
I don't think that anyone said that there were any such plans.
To me, and perhaps I interpreted it incorrectly but, message reply #58 suggested that the respondent was implying that NASA was planning a mission. Again, I could be mistaken but, that is where the idea of a "plan" originated. If I am mistaken, no problem. I will stand corrected. In any event, the name Orion is not a mission... it is the name of a spacecraft.
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To me, and perhaps I interpreted it incorrectly but, message reply #58 suggested that the respondent was implying that NASA was planning a mission. Again, I could be mistaken but, that is where the idea of a "plan" originated. If I am mistaken, no problem. I will stand corrected. In any event, the name Orion is not a mission... it is the name of a spacecraft.
Ummm, that's the name of the spacecraft... not a chartered mission to a massive constellation. :)
You know... I will admit that I've worked for a number of organisations and never once bothered to read about their history. For instance, IBM... what they are today as compared to what they were in their first few years... yeah nah... far cry between the two. So yeah, call that a personality flaw in me. I could rightly give a f*ckall about a lot of that crap because many of the 100 year old organisations do not hold to the same values they once did. That became evident to me when Exxon dumped it's "old" employees with an early retirement scheme. Since then, company loyalty took a nose dive so, I don't care about hearing their BS history.
What I do know though is this; each and every one of the organisations I worked for paid me handsomely for what I do. That's probably the reason I can be a condescending, asshat toward you because I know you are ignorant and I could probably guess that you don't have 2 nickels to rub together. So yeah... you can call that a personality flaw also. ;)
Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.
I shall watch this thread with interest.
This is all pure garbage.
If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...
You guys and your "religion," are really mental...
It's simply a question of money. You guys, with rabid beliefs and zero evidence to support them are closer to religious than the science guys who have mountains of evidence to support their positions.
The funny thing about the "going to Orion" is, Orion is a constellation. I don't believe there are any planets in Orion though :)
Again, a supposed NASA employee shown for being highly disingenuous and deceitful.
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To me, and perhaps I interpreted it incorrectly but, message reply #58 suggested that the respondent was implying that NASA was planning a mission. Again, I could be mistaken but, that is where the idea of a "plan" originated. If I am mistaken, no problem. I will stand corrected. In any event, the name Orion is not a mission... it is the name of a spacecraft.
Ummm, that's the name of the spacecraft... not a chartered mission to a massive constellation. :)
You know... I will admit that I've worked for a number of organisations and never once bothered to read about their history. For instance, IBM... what they are today as compared to what they were in their first few years... yeah nah... far cry between the two. So yeah, call that a personality flaw in me. I could rightly give a f*ckall about a lot of that crap because many of the 100 year old organisations do not hold to the same values they once did. That became evident to me when Exxon dumped it's "old" employees with an early retirement scheme. Since then, company loyalty took a nose dive so, I don't care about hearing their BS history.
What I do know though is this; each and every one of the organisations I worked for paid me handsomely for what I do. That's probably the reason I can be a condescending, asshat toward you because I know you are ignorant and I could probably guess that you don't have 2 nickels to rub together. So yeah... you can call that a personality flaw also. ;)
Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.
I shall watch this thread with interest.
This is all pure garbage.
If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...
You guys and your "religion," are really mental...
It's simply a question of money. You guys, with rabid beliefs and zero evidence to support them are closer to religious than the science guys who have mountains of evidence to support their positions.
The funny thing about the "going to Orion" is, Orion is a constellation. I don't believe there are any planets in Orion though :)
Again, a supposed NASA employee shown for being highly disingenuous and deceitful.
Once again nothing you said is true.
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Once again nothing you said is true.
Please demonstrate where I said anything, short bus...
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Once again nothing you said is true.
Please demonstrate where I said anything, short bus...
My bad, I assumed you read what you posted.
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Once again nothing you said is true.
Please demonstrate where I said anything, short bus...
My bad, I assumed you read what you posted.
Your bad...
I assume you read what you say, rather than listen?
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Once again nothing you said is true.
Please demonstrate where I said anything, short bus...
My bad, I assumed you read what you posted.
Your bad...
I assume you read what you say, rather than listen?
That made no sense at all. Par for the course
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Once again nothing you said is true.
Please demonstrate where I said anything, short bus...
Good point. You do seem to write an awful lot without actually saying anything.
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I want the answers to this thread... Please FE's reply without telling me to google it, exactly what the VA Belts and Auroras are and how they work in the FE model?