Van Allen radiation belt

It is interesting to me that FEs will argue to their last breath over the issue of a spherical or flat earth.  They will quickly say the moon landing was a fake, gravity doesn't exist, and of course, the paths of the sun and moon are simply running circles over the earth.  When it comes to the Van Allen radiation belt though, none of them has seen it in photographs, measured it with instrumentation, or observed it in any manner yet; they will glom on to the notion of it and attempt to use it as proof as to why man could never go into space or land on the moon.

So... what proof does the FE Society have the Van Allen radiation belt actually exists?

Playing devil's advocate, they probably don't believe in the Van Allen belt either. However us round earhers do, so they are trying to use are own views against us. Since we claim that it exists, we have to answer for it.

The Van Allen belt argument of lander conspiracy theorists always annoyed me a bit.  It always seems based on one NASA engineer saying manned space flight is limited to low earth orbit.

This was almost certainly just sloppy wording.  He should have said the type of manned space flight we are currently doing (ie orbital flight) is limited to low earth orbit.  For instance the ISS needs periodic boosting to overcome atmospheric drag, and I guess it would be more convenient if it was a bit higher.

In this context, it’s pretty reasonable to say we are limited to low orbit.

However, if they resumed the kind of space flight where they were actually trying to get somewhere, they’d just need to plot a trajectory that minimises the exposure.  Just as they did with Apollo.

Unless someone can prove with numbers that it was impossible for Apollo to do this, they have nothing.  And being a bit reckless with health and safety wouldn’t count either.

Playing devil's advocate, they probably don't believe in the Van Allen belt either. However us round earhers do, so they are trying to use are own views against us. Since we claim that it exists, we have to answer for it.

Ah... actually, if you watch a number of the "we didn't land on the moon" videos, one of their primary arguments is that we couldn't possibly pass through the VH radiation belts.  Often times, this introduces the discussion on the Aurora Australis (S) and Aurora Borealis (N).  A whole new song and dance of trying to explaining those ensues 

The Van Allen belt argument of lander conspiracy theorists always annoyed me a bit.  It always seems based on one NASA engineer saying manned space flight is limited to low earth orbit.

This was almost certainly just sloppy wording.  He should have said the type of manned space flight we are currently doing (ie orbital flight) is limited to low earth orbit.  For instance the ISS needs periodic boosting to overcome atmospheric drag, and I guess it would be more convenient if it was a bit higher.

In this context, it’s pretty reasonable to say we are limited to low orbit.

However, if they resumed the kind of space flight where they were actually trying to get somewhere, they’d just need to plot a trajectory that minimises the exposure.  Just as they did with Apollo.

Unless someone can prove with numbers that it was impossible for Apollo to do this, they have nothing.  And being a bit reckless with health and safety wouldn’t count either.

Aye, the thing is... FEs have no proof either way but, it is convenient for them to grab hold of one thing NASA says and run with that while at the same time, choosing to deny how we even know it exists in the first place.  For the sake of clarity, a detailed discussion of the pros and cons of travelling to the moon will generally include a description of the VH radiation belt as a hazard.  Fine... but, they will accept that as prima facie evidence that the VH radiation belt exists.  When the discussion gets to the lunar orbit, you then hear, "Oh hell no!  We can't do that because the VH radiation belt will burn up the spacecraft because it's only made out of tin foil and paper mache"... 

If you read how the Van Allen radiation belt got its name... you will have to wonder why FEs would accept the word of an educated scientist.

True, but in this case I meant lander conspiracy theorists in general.

FEers are a very small subset of those.

True, but in this case I meant lander conspiracy theorists in general.

FEers are a very small subset of those.

Aye, understood.  I guess it's my fault because even if I accidentally stepped in a pile of faeces on my lawn at night, I wouldn't care if it belonged to a cat,  dog, horse, or human.  I would not like it because it was faeces in my yard and on my foot. 

True, but in this case I meant lander conspiracy theorists in general.

FEers are a very small subset of those.

Ok, honest question.  Does this mean that all FEs are definitely lander conspiracy theorists but, not all lander conspiracy theorists are FEs?  Come to think of it, I don't know if I have encountered an FE that believes we landed on the moon.  Great!  I'm on a quest to find one now 

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on May 30, 2018, 04:09:27 AM

Playing devil's advocate, they probably don't believe in the Van Allen belt either. However us round earhers do, so they are trying to use are own views against us. Since we claim that it exists, we have to answer for it.

Ah... actually, if you watch a number of the "we didn't land on the moon" videos, one of their primary arguments is that we couldn't possibly pass through the VH radiation belts.  Often times, this introduces the discussion on the Aurora Australis (S) and Aurora Borealis (N).  A whole new song and dance of trying to explaining those ensues 

Well, moon landing deniers aren't necessarily flat earthers. There are plenty who denounce flat earth but believe that we didn't land on the moon.

Quote from: Really on May 30, 2018, 11:58:45 AM

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on May 30, 2018, 04:09:27 AM

Playing devil's advocate, they probably don't believe in the Van Allen belt either. However us round earhers do, so they are trying to use are own views against us. Since we claim that it exists, we have to answer for it.

Ah... actually, if you watch a number of the "we didn't land on the moon" videos, one of their primary arguments is that we couldn't possibly pass through the VH radiation belts.  Often times, this introduces the discussion on the Aurora Australis (S) and Aurora Borealis (N).  A whole new song and dance of trying to explaining those ensues 

Well, moon landing deniers aren't necessarily flat earthers. There are plenty who denounce flat earth but believe that we didn't land on the moon.

Aye right.  I can understand that but, I highly doubt we can find an FE that will believe we ever landed on the moon. 

Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.

I shall watch this thread with interest.

Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.

I shall watch this thread with interest.

The VH belts don't offer safety for sure.  The point is... FEs accept the VH radiation belts as fact yet, will deny just about everything else coming from the serpent's tongue 

Some radiation is reflected.  Gamma rays pierce just about any object in their path.  There are many different forms of radiation so... you have to qualify the statement in a little more detail.

Quote from: Teslaite on May 31, 2018, 12:43:02 AM

Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.

I shall watch this thread with interest.

The VH belts don't offer safety for sure.  The point is... FEs accept the VH radiation belts as fact yet, will deny just about everything else coming from the serpent's tongue 

Some radiation is reflected.  Gamma rays pierce just about any object in their path.  There are many different forms of radiation so... you have to qualify the statement in a little more detail.

VA Belt radiation is particulate radiation, electrons and protons, and that is comparatively easily blocked.
Any gamma radiation there simply part of cosmic radiation present out the belts as well.

This a little of an earlier post on the VA Belts.
NASA did a lot of research before the moon missions. As a result, they

• chose a translunar injection trajectory that was far "south" of the equatorial plane to avoid the worst of the radiation,
• determined that the type of radiation (largely particulate, not gamma radiation) was easily blocked by light materials that were part of the spacecraft's structure anyway and
• fitted the spacecraft  and crew with radiation monitors to ensure that their calculations were correct.

CLAVIUS ENVIRONMENT, Radiation and the Van Allen Belts goes a lot more into the VA belt radiation hazard.

And there is more detail in Re: The Earth is flat... now what? « Reply #442 on: July 10, 2017, 11:21:20 AM »

Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.

I shall watch this thread with interest.

This is all pure garbage.

If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...

You guys and your "religion," are really mental...

Quote from: Teslaite on May 31, 2018, 12:43:02 AM

Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.

I shall watch this thread with interest.

This is all pure garbage.

If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...

You guys and your "religion," are really mental...

If the VH belts exist, the only way FE knows about them is because NASA said told them     FEs are cherry-picking which information to believe in and which information to discard.  But.. let's move on to the auroras at the North and South pole.  How do they work on a flat earth?

Quote from: totallackey on May 31, 2018, 04:34:15 AM

Quote from: Teslaite on May 31, 2018, 12:43:02 AM

Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.

I shall watch this thread with interest.

This is all pure garbage.

If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...

You guys and your "religion," are really mental...

If the VH belts exist, the only way FE knows about them is because NASA said told them     FEs are cherry-picking which information to believe in and which information to discard.  But.. let's move on to the auroras at the North and South pole.  How do they work on a flat earth?

Why would NASA be the only way?

If you want to "move on," I suggest you open a new thread Copernicus...

Quote from: Really on May 31, 2018, 04:40:47 AM

Quote from: totallackey on May 31, 2018, 04:34:15 AM

Quote from: Teslaite on May 31, 2018, 12:43:02 AM

Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.

I shall watch this thread with interest.

This is all pure garbage.

If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...

You guys and your "religion," are really mental...

If the VH belts exist, the only way FE knows about them is because NASA said told them     FEs are cherry-picking which information to believe in and which information to discard.  But.. let's move on to the auroras at the North and South pole.  How do they work on a flat earth?

Why would NASA be the only way?

If you want to "move on," I suggest you open a new thread Copernicus...

Who else proposed the existence of radiation belts or a magnetic field surrounding earth?

Why would NASA be the only way?

If you want to "move on," I suggest you open a new thread Copernicus...

...or maybe, just maybe, an FE could even attempt to explain how they think the auroras work on a flat earth.  Hell, I'm open-minded.  Lay it on me.  Whip my ass with information.  Make me a believer.  Convert me.  Hold me down and just h0rk the information into my brain! 

Crap... I would even pay for a scientific explanation of how it works on a flat earth.  I'm just beside myself with anticipation.  Jeez... I need to go rub one out because this is so exciting!

Quote from: totallackey on May 31, 2018, 05:01:09 AM

Quote from: Really on May 31, 2018, 04:40:47 AM

Quote from: totallackey on May 31, 2018, 04:34:15 AM

Quote from: Teslaite on May 31, 2018, 12:43:02 AM

Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.

I shall watch this thread with interest.

This is all pure garbage.

If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...

You guys and your "religion," are really mental...

If the VH belts exist, the only way FE knows about them is because NASA said told them     FEs are cherry-picking which information to believe in and which information to discard.  But.. let's move on to the auroras at the North and South pole.  How do they work on a flat earth?

Why would NASA be the only way?

If you want to "move on," I suggest you open a new thread Copernicus...

Who else proposed the existence of radiation belts or a magnetic field surrounding earth?

Try typing the words Van Allen belts into google and answer the question yourself.

The existence of a compass predates NASA by quite some time there Einstein...

Quote from: totallackey on May 31, 2018, 05:01:09 AM

Why would NASA be the only way?

If you want to "move on," I suggest you open a new thread Copernicus...

...or maybe, just maybe, an FE could even attempt to explain how they think the auroras work on a flat earth.  Hell, I'm open-minded.  Lay it on me.  Whip my ass with information.  Make me a believer.  Convert me.  Hold me down and just h0rk the information into my brain! 

Crap... I would even pay for a scientific explanation of how it works on a flat earth.  I'm just beside myself with anticipation.  Jeez... I need to go rub one out because this is so exciting!

Or maybe you could stick to the topi...

Forget it....

You should really excuse yourself from the forum, being so unarmed...

Quote from: Really on May 31, 2018, 05:12:17 AM

Quote from: totallackey on May 31, 2018, 05:01:09 AM

Quote from: Really on May 31, 2018, 04:40:47 AM

Quote from: totallackey on May 31, 2018, 04:34:15 AM

Quote from: Teslaite on May 31, 2018, 12:43:02 AM

Ironically a couple of minutes reading reveals that the Van Allen belts don't preclude safe space travel. At the mission planning stage much of the risk can be avoided and exposure time can be limited. A quick look at the figures and the Apollo astronauts complete single mission exposure was something like 10-20% of a years worth of background radiation here on Earth.

I shall watch this thread with interest.

This is all pure garbage.

If it was simply mission planning then NASA would go straight ahead with Orion to appease all of you sci-fi nuts...

You guys and your "religion," are really mental...

If the VH belts exist, the only way FE knows about them is because NASA said told them     FEs are cherry-picking which information to believe in and which information to discard.  But.. let's move on to the auroras at the North and South pole.  How do they work on a flat earth?

Why would NASA be the only way?

If you want to "move on," I suggest you open a new thread Copernicus...

Who else proposed the existence of radiation belts or a magnetic field surrounding earth?

Try typing the words Van Allen belts into google and answer the question yourself.

The existence of a compass predates NASA by quite some time there Einstein...

WTF does a compass have to do with the Aurora Borealis or the Aurora Australis and how they work on a flat earth?

Again... a complete let-down.  Yet another FE cannot explain how something works.  Instead, you point me to Google.  Hahahahahahaha!

Quote from: Really on May 31, 2018, 05:16:46 AM

Quote from: totallackey on May 31, 2018, 05:01:09 AM

Why would NASA be the only way?

If you want to "move on," I suggest you open a new thread Copernicus...

...or maybe, just maybe, an FE could even attempt to explain how they think the auroras work on a flat earth.  Hell, I'm open-minded.  Lay it on me.  Whip my ass with information.  Make me a believer.  Convert me.  Hold me down and just h0rk the information into my brain! 

Crap... I would even pay for a scientific explanation of how it works on a flat earth.  I'm just beside myself with anticipation.  Jeez... I need to go rub one out because this is so exciting!

Or maybe you could stick to the topi...

Forget it....

You should really excuse yourself from the forum, being so unarmed...

I started the topic, Homeslice 

You should really excuse yourself from the forum, being so unarmed...

Hahahahaha... that is funny   Unarmed    *chuckle*  *snort*  Yep, yep, yep... I'm a retard.  No education at all.  I lived my whole life just pouring water over a grapefruit, trying to convince people there was no gravity because the water didn't stick to it. 

Weeeee!  I'm a muppet    When someone asks me a question, I call them stupid and tell them to Google it!  And OMG, if you get smart enough, you can actually learn to use Wikipedia as your primary source reference!  Mmmm Ahhhh 

Quote from: Really on May 31, 2018, 04:40:47 AM

If the VH belts exist, the only way FE knows about them is because NASA said told them     FEs are cherry-picking which information to believe in and which information to discard.  But.. let's move on to the auroras at the North and South pole.  How do they work on a flat earth?

Why would NASA be the only way?

How would you even know that the Van Allen belts existed were it for James Van Allen and his team placing a Geiger counter and an altimeter on Explorer I, the first American satellite, to take radiation readings at different heights?

Technically NASA was not created until Oct. 1, 1958, but Van Allen and that team were part of what became NASA.
Read a bit more in Van Allen Probes, A Short History of Earth's Radiation Belts.
All people know came from satellites and sounding rockets launched by NASA other space agencies.

Quote from: totallackey on May 31, 2018, 05:01:09 AM

Quote from: Really on May 31, 2018, 04:40:47 AM

If the VH belts exist, the only way FE knows about them is because NASA said told them     FEs are cherry-picking which information to believe in and which information to discard.  But.. let's move on to the auroras at the North and South pole.  How do they work on a flat earth?

Why would NASA be the only way?

How would you even know that the Van Allen belts existed were it for James Van Allen and his team placing a Geiger counter and an altimeter on Explorer I, the first American satellite, to take radiation readings at different heights?

Technically NASA was not created until Oct. 1, 1958, but Van Allen and that team were part of what became NASA.
Read a bit more in Van Allen Probes, A Short History of Earth's Radiation Belts.
All people know came from satellites and sounding rockets launched by NASA other space agencies.

You're right   You won't find an argument with me.  I worked for NASA for 4 years.  I've seen satellites... I've seen the data that comes back from satellites... I maintained massive systems between 6 NASA locations that crunched the data into a myriad of different image products.  F*ck bro... you are preaching to the choir.  The earth is a spherical globe.  I have absolutely no doubt in my mind about that.  Hell, I've even seen the burned out hull of Apollo 1.  It's not a damn conspiracy.  NASA has developed more technology that we use every day and people have no clue where it came from.

So yeah... I guess to these people, I'm the spawn of Satan or something.  To me.. Jeez.. I honestly find it hard to believe just how ignorant some of these people are. 

Quote from: totallackey on May 31, 2018, 05:18:48 AM

Quote from: Really on May 31, 2018, 05:16:46 AM

Quote from: totallackey on May 31, 2018, 05:01:09 AM

Why would NASA be the only way?

If you want to "move on," I suggest you open a new thread Copernicus...

...or maybe, just maybe, an FE could even attempt to explain how they think the auroras work on a flat earth.  Hell, I'm open-minded.  Lay it on me.  Whip my ass with information.  Make me a believer.  Convert me.  Hold me down and just h0rk the information into my brain! 

Crap... I would even pay for a scientific explanation of how it works on a flat earth.  I'm just beside myself with anticipation.  Jeez... I need to go rub one out because this is so exciting!

Or maybe you could stick to the topi...

Forget it....

You should really excuse yourself from the forum, being so unarmed...

I started the topic, Homeslice 

You started a topic labeled Van Allen radiation belt, in order to write about aurora...

I see...

Severe disconnect in progress...

Quote from: rabinoz on May 31, 2018, 05:24:55 AM

Quote from: totallackey on May 31, 2018, 05:01:09 AM

Quote from: Really on May 31, 2018, 04:40:47 AM

If the VH belts exist, the only way FE knows about them is because NASA said told them     FEs are cherry-picking which information to believe in and which information to discard.  But.. let's move on to the auroras at the North and South pole.  How do they work on a flat earth?

Why would NASA be the only way?

How would you even know that the Van Allen belts existed were it for James Van Allen and his team placing a Geiger counter and an altimeter on Explorer I, the first American satellite, to take radiation readings at different heights?

Technically NASA was not created until Oct. 1, 1958, but Van Allen and that team were part of what became NASA.
Read a bit more in Van Allen Probes, A Short History of Earth's Radiation Belts.
All people know came from satellites and sounding rockets launched by NASA other space agencies.

I worked for NASA for 4 years.

LMMFAO!!!

Quote from: Really on May 31, 2018, 05:20:00 AM

Quote from: totallackey on May 31, 2018, 05:18:48 AM

Quote from: Really on May 31, 2018, 05:16:46 AM

Quote from: totallackey on May 31, 2018, 05:01:09 AM

Why would NASA be the only way?

If you want to "move on," I suggest you open a new thread Copernicus...

...or maybe, just maybe, an FE could even attempt to explain how they think the auroras work on a flat earth.  Hell, I'm open-minded.  Lay it on me.  Whip my ass with information.  Make me a believer.  Convert me.  Hold me down and just h0rk the information into my brain! 

Crap... I would even pay for a scientific explanation of how it works on a flat earth.  I'm just beside myself with anticipation.  Jeez... I need to go rub one out because this is so exciting!

Or maybe you could stick to the topi...

Forget it....

You should really excuse yourself from the forum, being so unarmed...

I started the topic, Homeslice 

You started a topic labeled Van Allen radiation belt, in order to write about aurora...

I see...

Severe disconnect in progress...

It's a tangential discussion.  The VH belts and auroras are easily included under the same topic.  But then again, I know I am really setting high expectations to hope that you would understand that. 

LMMFAO!!!

Yeah... it's a trip for you, I'm sure.     Here... go Google the words, "DAAC, NASA".  Wooo... spook stuff... NOT!  It's public information.

You started a topic labeled Van Allen radiation belt, in order to write about aurora...

I see...

Severe disconnect in progress...

Here.. let me help you.  Using your favourite scholarly tool, enter the following search criteria;

"van allen belt, aurora"

Google will suffice.  Happy researching