The Flat Earth Society
Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: Tom Bishop on April 06, 2012, 09:03:25 AM
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Money buys you food, a roof over your head, clothing, transportation, entertainment, it buys you an education, it provides for your family, it buys you health for when you are sick, it has the power to end life and the power to give it. We give up a vast majority of the time in our day - 8 hours or more, in pursuit of money. Who would spend their entire day trying to get something if it were not the most important thing in the world to them? Quite clearly, money is the terra and the firma of all earthly existence.
You go to college because you want a career with a good starting salary. You have more respect for a person with a good career than one who does not. We spend more time working than with our own families. We are willing to indenture ourselves to a lifetime of servitude in exchange for basic necessities.
Thork says it the best here:
I will make it more simple. In the 21st century slavery is abolished. That doesn't mean people aren't slaves. You can choose your master but you still have to work for someone rich. In return you will receive a wage that just about covers your living expenses. Rent/mortgage, food, clothing etc. all the things you could expect your master to supply as a slave. Some slave jobs pay better than others. You are a more cherished and useful slave and get larger accommodation and finer clothes, but you still have to work for someone. You live in a shitty box house, with your shitty little garden and look forward to 2 shitty weeks off in the summer. the free are those who own things. Companies, land, assets. They get slaves like you to work for them all week long. They spend their time playing golf, sailing yachts, bollocking people and spending more money than you can imagine. They do what they want. They don't work.
If you are born into a family that owns a supermarket chain, or a car factory, or 10,000 acres of farmland ... you were born free. You will inherit the right to do whatever you want. Pursue what ever you feel like, the money will just roll in. You own things, the slaves will earn money for you.
The only way to be free is to work for yourself. Set up your own company and get people to work for you. think about that next time you are at your crap job doing something you hate. Think about how free you are. Or when you are looking for a job, you are putting on the shackles and marching to the market waiting to be bonded into slavery and to top it off, its competitive, you are fighting each other for the best slave tasks.
Money hasn't meant freedom. Its just a form of slave credits. Its not like you own bricks of gold or farmland or anything of great physical worth. You are a slave. Wanna study for 4 years so that you can earn someone else more wealth?
How can anyone say that money is less important than love? Quite clearly, when our survival depends on it, and when all of our time is given away in pursuit of it, it is more important than all else.
How can anyone say that they are fine living on beans from paycheck to paycheck? Accidents and illnesses will happen, to both you and to your family. Money needs to be there for that. Your children will need day care, they will need a college education, and your parents will need nursing homes. You are expected to be a provider, and a good one.
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I had no idea.
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How many people have made money without ever receiving love and care?
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How many people have made money without ever receiving love and care?
Finding love is not a difficult matter. Our biology programs us to love and care. There are not a lack of people of the opposite gender in the world, but there is a lack of wealth, and a lack of time.
If you are complacent and comfortable with living a "modest" life then you are a fool. You have a very limited amount of time to live life, and you are giving it all away to a master to increase his wealth, in exchange for the bare necessities. How can you live with yourself?
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But love and care are strongly correlated with financial success. Children from abusive or neglectful families are typically less successful than those from stable loving families, by every standard you mention above. For example, this is considered a significant problem for egalitarian theories that focus on equality of opportunity, due to the impractical and counter-intuitive nature of any solutions that try to address resulting inequalities.
If financial success is largely predicated on love and care, then love and care are more important than financial success.
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But love and care are strongly correlated with financial success. Children from abusive or neglectful families are typically less successful than those from stable loving families, by every standard you mention above.
I would like to see a source for that. The richest people in society are sociopaths. They did not get that way by being caring and loving employers.
If financial success is largely predicated on love and care, then love and care are more important than financial success.
It does not follow that because everyone is loved by their mother, that their mother's love is more important than wealth.
Surely everyone is loved by their families, just as everyone breathes air. Is breathing air more important than being a millioniare? No, because everyone has air and it is an easily obtainable commodity. Being a millionaire is more important because it's harder to get and provides much more in life than basic existence.
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Finding love is not a difficult matter.
Incorrect.
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Finding love is not a difficult matter.
Incorrect.
Shaving is pretty easy
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Thork says it the best here:
I will make it more simple. In the 21st century slavery is abolished. That doesn't mean people aren't slaves. You can choose your master but you still have to work for someone rich. In return you will receive a wage that just about covers your living expenses. Rent/mortgage, food, clothing etc. all the things you could expect your master to supply as a slave. Some slave jobs pay better than others. You are a more cherished and useful slave and get larger accommodation and finer clothes, but you still have to work for someone. You live in a shitty box house, with your shitty little garden and look forward to 2 shitty weeks off in the summer. the free are those who own things. Companies, land, assets. They get slaves like you to work for them all week long. They spend their time playing golf, sailing yachts, bollocking people and spending more money than you can imagine. They do what they want. They don't work.
If you are born into a family that owns a supermarket chain, or a car factory, or 10,000 acres of farmland ... you were born free. You will inherit the right to do whatever you want. Pursue what ever you feel like, the money will just roll in. You own things, the slaves will earn money for you.
The only way to be free is to work for yourself. Set up your own company and get people to work for you. think about that next time you are at your crap job doing something you hate. Think about how free you are. Or when you are looking for a job, you are putting on the shackles and marching to the market waiting to be bonded into slavery and to top it off, its competitive, you are fighting each other for the best slave tasks.
Money hasn't meant freedom. Its just a form of slave credits. Its not like you own bricks of gold or farmland or anything of great physical worth. You are a slave. Wanna study for 4 years so that you can earn someone else more wealth?
People always oversimplify the getting rich aspect of business. "Start your own business man be rich and free!" In that are the stresses, risks, and failures associated with owning a business. It's not just as simple as "start a business."
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Finding love is not a difficult matter.
Incorrect.
Shaving is pretty easy
Irrelevant.
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Money needs to be there for that.
Not especially; fiat money by definition only works because somebody says so. Without their authority, it's meaningless, it's just that it's the law of the land. The same could be said for the gold standard or barter systems. Every society is going to have an economy, it's just an idiosyncrasy of a large animal-pack. When there's too many of you to be fed by the daily hunt n gather, then you start to specialize and demand compensation. Yes, it's a basic part of life, but so is cellular biology, and you're not gonna get many people calling that the most important thing in the world.
Are the building blocks really more important than what's built with them? Is a nation's economic type more important than its culture and society?
You have a very limited amount of time to live life, and you are giving it all away to a master to increase his wealth, in exchange for the bare necessities.
That's why proper wealthy people understand that by giving back to the community and leaving it fertile, they'll gain more than they ever would obsessively hoarding their cash. Just like any other ecosystem, it's going to die out if you devour it all and leave only the scraps that fly free of your gob; a good farmer keeps the soil rich and the plants healthy. The hoarders we've got nowadays are killing us and just waiting to jump ship once we go under.
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The richest people in society are sociopaths.
I would like to see a source for that.
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Haven't we already had this thread?
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49778.0
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The richest people in society are sociopaths.
I would like to see a source for that.
soˇciˇoˇpath
[soh-see-uh-path, soh-shee-] Show IPA
noun Psychiatry .
a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
When there are people starving in the world a social conscience should tell you not to hoard more money than you can ever spend. It should be your moral responsibility to make sure charities for abused children, hospitals and the homeless get the funds they desperately need. Most people only keep that kind of money because it represents power.
I conclude Tom is correct.
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Bill Gates has donated billions to charities, and pledges to donate much of his wealth.
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There's definitely sociopaths among the wealthy, but I doubt they're in the majority. Many wealthy people are philanthropic in some way; some give away almost all of their money.
Besides, most of us live with enough money to donate at least a small amount, but how many of us do?
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When there are people starving in the world a social conscience should tell you not to hoard more money than you can ever spend. It should be your moral responsibility to make sure charities for abused children, hospitals and the homeless get the funds they desperately need. Most people only keep that kind of money because it represents power.
I conclude Tom is correct.
I agree that there's likely something wrong in the head with the very rich. When you get to the point where you have more money than you could ever need, and yet you still keep hoarding more, there's something unhealthy going on in your mind.
Even before charities, I'd think that people in these positions might consider giving more money back to the hoardes of lowly employees that they exploit to create their wealth. The fact that they continue to screw them over is a definite indicator of a lack of conscience.
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Priests are poor as shit and they obviously enjoy what they do.
INB4 lol molesting kiddos
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I would like to see a source for that. The richest people in society are sociopaths. They did not get that way by being caring and loving employers.
1) The fact that family stability and income are linked is well known. Children from broken homes, abusive families, those who grow up in institutions, etc. on average do not earn as much, and are more likely to go to prison. For example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_and_correlates_of_crime#Family
It does not follow that because everyone is loved by their mother, that their mother's love is more important than wealth.
This is a total strawman.
Surely everyone is loved by their families, just as everyone breathes air.
That is total baloney.
You cannot be loved by a dead family, or experience the love of a distant family, or accept the love of a family that abuses you. There are plenty of children who are neglected or actively abused, and to pretend otherwise is simply absurd.
Even before charities, I'd think that people in these positions might consider giving more money back to the hoardes of lowly employees that they exploit to create their wealth. The fact that they continue to screw them over is a definite indicator of a lack of conscience.
In this post there are no colours, just black and white.
Seriously, employers employ their employees. They don't just exploit them. Secondly, they pay taxes, and it's not their job to ensure the tax system is fair. That's what we pay politicians for.
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Lol, ok, Wilmore. Tell that to some Indonesian sweatshop workers.
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Lol, ok, Wilmore. Tell that to some Indonesian sweatshop workers.
Tell that to employers who are good to their workers. Not all employers exploit the people under them. Stop generalising, it's derpy.
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I didn't say all employers, just the very rich ones. You don't get huge fortunes unless you're willing to cut costs.
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I didn't say all employers, just the very rich ones. You don't get huge fortunes unless you're willing to cut costs.
Not all rich employers exploit their workers either. And the bolded point is wrong on so many levels it's not worth pursuing. Take your anti-capitalist venting elsewhere. It's not what this thread is about.
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I didn't say all employers, just the very rich ones. You don't get huge fortunes unless you're willing to cut costs.
lol, no.
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Not all rich employers exploit their workers either. And the bolded point is wrong on so many levels it's not worth pursuing. Take your anti-capitalist venting elsewhere. It's not what this thread is about.
Lol, I shouldn't be surprised that you're blind to the truth as usual.
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I didn't say all employers, just the very rich ones. You don't get huge fortunes unless you're willing to cut costs.
lol, no.
Then why do companies operate so many sweatshops, mines, and factories in countries where labor is the cheapest and regulations are highly negotiable at best?
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I didn't say all employers, just the very rich ones. You don't get huge fortunes unless you're willing to cut costs.
lol, no.
Then why do companies operate so many sweatshops, mines, and factories in countries where labor is the cheapest and regulations are highly negotiable at best?
Becoming 'very rich' does not require you to run a sweatshop, or run a company with sweatshop conditions.
Stop generalising, it's derpy.
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The most important thing in life is peace of mind.
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Lol, ok, Wilmore. Tell that to some Indonesian sweatshop workers.
You should read The Travels of a Tshirt in a Global Economy. Sweat shop workers actually like their jobs. They get the chance to leave a life of farming, to get out in the city, and buy things with the money they earned. It's not an ideal job for us, but it's not the slave market we make it out to be. It gives them a greater sense of freedom than they previously had.
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Typically, sweat shop workers make more than the average income. It would be like telling people who make roughly 45,000/yr in the US that their job is shit and they should complain and demand better wages.
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How can anyone say that they are fine living on beans from paycheck to paycheck? Accidents and illnesses will happen, to both you and to your family. Money needs to be there for that. Your children will need day care, they will need a college education, and your parents will need nursing homes. You are expected to be a provider, and a good one.
I suggest you look at money from an economist's perspective (which is mine as I am double majoring in it). Money is not money (ignoring the filthy rich who hoard cash). Money is a car. Money is food on the table. Money is a home. Those things are important, and money is those things. Money is healthy family members, and healthy family members is important, so money is important. But if there were other ways to obtain those things, money would be unimportant, but those things still would be.
You are suggesting that the most important thing on a trip to Hawaii is the airplane, and completely ignoring the fact that Hawaii is the most important thing about a trip to Hawaii.
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Money has no intrinsic value, therefore it cannot be the most important thing in life.
It's just one of the many tools one uses to gain happiness. We could argue whether money is a more important tool in this task than other tools, but that doesn't change that happiness is the most important thing in life and the ultimate goal to achieve.
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The previous two posts say it well. Money is only a means to an end.
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Typically, sweat shop workers make more than the average income. It would be like telling people who make roughly 45,000/yr in the US that their job is shit and they should complain and demand better wages.
Your sources are greatly appreciated!
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To be fair, our liver is actually the most important thing in life; without it you would die shortly, thus impairing your ability to earn money or subsequently spend it for anything.
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Becoming 'very rich' does not require you to run a sweatshop, or run a company with sweatshop conditions.
Oh, I'm sure. New and brilliant ways of screwing people over are invented all the time.
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To be fair, our liver is actually the most important thing in life; without it you would die shortly, thus impairing your ability to earn money or subsequently spend it for anything.
Are you implying that the liver is more vital than the heart or brain?
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To be fair, our liver is actually the most important thing in life; without it you would die shortly, thus impairing your ability to earn money or subsequently spend it for anything.
Are you implying that the liver is more vital than the heart or brain?
Yep. ::)
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Air is the most important thing in life; without it we would never live to make money.
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Air is the most important thing in life; without it we would never live to make money.
Actually oxygen is the most important thing, without it the air could not sustain us.
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Air is the most important thing in life; without it we would never live to make money.
Actually oxygen is the most important thing, without it the air could not sustain us.
Actually the universe is the most important thing, without it existence could not sustain us.
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Air is the most important thing in life; without it we would never live to make money.
Actually oxygen is the most important thing, without it the air could not sustain us.
Actually the universe is the most important thing, without it existence could not sustain us.
Actually God is the most important thing, without Him we would have no universe.
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Says the great book of oppression.
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Air is the most important thing in life; without it we would never live to make money.
Actually oxygen is the most important thing, without it the air could not sustain us.
Actually lungs are the most important thing, without them we could never breathe in the oxygen to sustain us.
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You could live several minutes without lungs. Porn, on the other hand...
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You could live several minutes without lungs. Porn, on the other hand...
sustain being the operative word.
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Irrelevant.
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Whenever I read one of these threads, random lines from Weird Al's "This Is the Life (http://)" play through my head the whole time. It's a fascinating thing.
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I Think Zeteticism is the most important thing in life. And I thank Master Willmore for breathing new life into Zetetic thoery, thank you.
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The richest people in society are sociopaths. They did not get that way by being caring and loving employers.
Incorrect. I would say some, maybe quite a few, but not all.
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Air is the most important thing in life; without it we would never live to make money.
Actually oxygen is the most important thing, without it the air could not sustain us.
Actually the universe is the most important thing, without it existence could not sustain us.
Actually God is the most important thing, without Him we would have no universe.
Actually, mankind is the most important thing, because without it we woul-
Forget it.
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Air is the most important thing in life; without it we would never live to make money.
Actually oxygen is the most important thing, without it the air could not sustain us.
Actually the universe is the most important thing, without it existence could not sustain us.
Actually God is the most important thing, without Him we would have no universe.
Thank you AAA for this true and important insight. It has been noted to your account.
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Air is the most important thing in life; without it we would never live to make money.
Actually oxygen is the most important thing, without it the air could not sustain us.
Actually the universe is the most important thing, without it existence could not sustain us.
Actually God is the most important thing, without Him we would have no universe.
Thank you AAA for this true and important insight. It has been noted to your account.
Atoms are more important than God. They are.
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Thank you, Hoppy. I think we can close and sticky this thread now.
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If money was not the most important thing in life then why do we spend more time working than with our own families? We spend half our lives in school preparing to go into the world and start a career, and then spend eight hours of our day in dedication of it, yet some people dare say money isn't the most important thing in our lives.
Money provides your food, your housing, your clothing, and your health. You are sitting in a room surrounded with material things bought with money. You can live without love, but you cannot live life without money. Money provides the necessities of life, and this is why it is the must be embraced, not shunned. People with more of it should be idolized, not demonized.
Enjoying friendships, eating good food, going to parties, having interesting hobbies, reading books, and relaxing are all pleasure activities. How could a pleasure activity possibly compare with the very thing which allows all of that to happen?
It might be argued that health is more important than money, but an independently wealthy person has more opportunity to exercise often, eat expensive healthy foods, and better afford medical care than a person working 60 hours a week at service jobs. Money triumphs.
It is often said that love is more important than money, but this is easily seen to be a farce. There is no such thing as unconditional love between a man and a woman. Without exception, the woman who marries you will expect you to support the household and any children you bring into the world. You are expected to work for the rest of your life and do whatever it takes to support your family with cold hard cash.
If a married man quits his job, sells the house and all of its possessions, sells his car, moves into his parent's basement, uninterested in looking for gainful employment in preference of playing video games all day, is it likely that his wife will stick around to love him in his video game squalor? Likely not. Surely if love were more important than money, in such a situation the wife would desire to be with him no matter the circumstance.
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Incorrect.
Basic necessities are the most important. It just so happens that money allows you to easily acquire them.
One can survive on a barter system. It's not easy but it did work once before.
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Tom, you've already done this troll. Running out of ideas? ::)
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But the same people will respond as if this weren't a lame rerun!
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Here Tom, a year hasn't even passed, the answers probably haven't changed much.
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Here Tom, a year hasn't even passed, the answers probably haven't changed much.
I forgot about this one. Perhaps a mod can combine them. In the new one I believe I make a convincing argument for why money is more important than the love between a man and a woman.
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But what about the love between a man and a rabbit?
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Here Tom, a year hasn't even passed, the answers probably haven't changed much.
I forgot about this one. Perhaps a mod can combine them. In the new one I believe I make a convincing argument for why money is more important than the love between a man and a woman.
Done.
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Tom, I am sorry if no one spent any money on a present for you.
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the best gifts in life require no money.
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If money was not the most important thing in life then why do we spend more time working than with our own families? We spend half our lives in school preparing to go into the world and start a career, and then spend eight hours of our day in dedication of it, yet some people dare say money isn't the most important thing in our lives.
Money provides your food, your housing, your clothing, and your health. You are sitting in a room surrounded with material things bought with money. You can live without love, but you cannot live life without money. Money provides the necessities of life, and this is why it is the must be embraced, not shunned. People with more of it should be idolized, not demonized.
Enjoying friendships, eating good food, going to parties, having interesting hobbies, reading books, and relaxing are all pleasure activities. How could a pleasure activity possibly compare with the very thing which allows all of that to happen?
It might be argued that health is more important than money, but an independently wealthy person has more opportunity to exercise often, eat expensive healthy foods, and better afford medical care than a person working 60 hours a week at service jobs. Money triumphs.
It is often said that love is more important than money, but this is easily seen to be a farce. There is no such thing as unconditional love between a man and a woman. Without exception, the woman who marries you will expect you to support the household and any children you bring into the world. You are expected to work for the rest of your life and do whatever it takes to support your family with cold hard cash.
If a married man quits his job, sells the house and all of its possessions, sells his car, moves into his parent's basement, uninterested in looking for gainful employment in preference of playing video games all day, is it likely that his wife will stick around to love him in his video game squalor? Likely not. Surely if love were more important than money, in such a situation the wife would desire to be with him no matter the circumstance.
You are suggesting that the most important thing on a trip to Hawaii is the airplane, and completely ignoring the fact that Hawaii is the most important thing about a trip to Hawaii.
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The most important thing about a trip to Hawaii is that you earned the money that got you there. You slaved away all year exchanging your labor and saved up for the opportunity to add a little pleasure to your life. It's the happy ending of a story of struggle. The story is the important part, not the ending.
Earning money is the most important thing in life because it can give you a trip to Hawaii, or it can give you a liver for your dying child. It should be everyone's personal goal to be independently wealthy. Rather of demonizing those with wealth, people of wealth should be your personal idols and heroes.
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The most important thing about a trip to Hawaii is that you earned the money that got you there. You slaved away all year exchanging your labor and saved up for the opportunity to add a little pleasure to your life. It's the happy ending of a story of struggle. The story is the important part, not the ending.
Earning money is the most important thing in life because it can give you a trip to Hawaii, or it can give you a liver for your dying child. It should be everyone's personal goal to be independently wealthy. Rather of demonizing those with wealth, people of wealth should be your personal idols and heroes for being smart and cunning enough to attain the ultimate happy ending in this game of life.
I disagree. I think that the earth is more important because without it we would not exist.
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I disagree. I think that the earth is more important because without it we would not exist.
The earth is nature. The earth, DNA, oxygen in the air, etc, are not the most important in one's life because everyone has it and there is nothing an individual can do to control it. It's just there. The rich and the poor live on the same earth, have relatively the same DNA, and breathe the same oxygen. The thing which separates them are the human choices they or their families have made.
The rich are the elite players who won at life through their smarts and intelligence. The losers at life have to work for a living, slaving away day after day for their master, exchanging time and labor for dollars, because that's all they know.
Are you going to be a winner, or are you going to be a loser?
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I disagree. I think that the earth is more important because without it we would not exist.
The earth is nature. The earth, DNA, oxygen in the air, etc, are not the most important in one's life because everyone has it and there is nothing an individual can do to control it. It's just there. The rich and the poor live on the same earth, have relatively the same DNA, and breathe the same oxygen. The thing which separates them are the human choices they or their families have made.
The rich are the elite players who won at life through their smarts and intelligence. The losers at life have to work for a living, slaving away day after day for their master, exchanging time and labor for dollars, because that's all they know.
Are you going to be a winner, or are you going to be a loser?
Many people with money are unhappy and commit suicide.
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In order to be/get rich in a noncompetitive way, one must have something to offer in exchange: virtues.
One can become rich, but at the same time lose sensibility for the things in life that matter most - therefore, to become rich without such losses, there must a certain inner supply of virtues (higher feelings) to compensate the attraction by the telluric energies.
The best work on what it really means to have money, to be rich, is by far The Science of Getting Rich, written some 100 years ago:
http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0304spiritpsych/030412.Wattle.Getting.Rich.pdf (http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0304spiritpsych/030412.Wattle.Getting.Rich.pdf)
To be truly wealthy means to be able to transform any situation using virtue power.
The final things to be considered are the engrams from childhood which might prevent oneself to become rich. (engrams = post hypnotic commands from moments of pain/unconsciousness given by enemies/allies perceived to be such by the reactive mind - these notions were well known before dianetics, lrh only publicized the meaning of these terms, not understanding that authoritative hypnosis is a dangerous tool to explore childhood engrams - engrams must be transformed by the power of higher virtues).
The human soul/psyche has four components: reactive mind, the doppelganger, conscious mind, and the source of the higher virtues, the spirit.
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http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0304spiritpsych/030412.Wattle.Getting.Rich.pdf (http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0304spiritpsych/030412.Wattle.Getting.Rich.pdf)
Maneuvering through any economic system to become rich is by no means an "exact science", as Wattle puts it. That's just a cheap way to instill confidence in the reader that the instructions they're about to receive are infallible.
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Read the last chapter, at least, several times; your comments do not apply at all to the work I quoted from.
Money = an increase in the telluric energy in one's life
This must be balanced by a corresponding increase of virtues - a very rich person MUST have virtues which are more intense and refined than those of an "ordinary" person in order not to lose sensibility (given the action of the telluric energies).
Virtues: purity, nobleness, gratitude, compassion, integrity.
Wealth is first obtained in one's mind and heart.
Read Wattles' book again, and you will discover what it means to be rich in a noncompetitive way.
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Money isn't the most important thing in our lives.
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my goal in life is to become self sufficient, then i don't need money
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Money isn't the most important thing in our lives.
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Earning money is the most important thing in life because it can give you a trip to Hawaii, or it can give you a liver for your dying child. It should be everyone's personal goal to be independently wealthy. Rather of demonizing those with wealth, people of wealth should be your personal idols and heroes.
People don't earn money Tom. They earn currency. Money has value. Currency only has the value the Central bank pretends it does. Most people are actually working for something imaginary. It doesn't matter how many dollars you earn, A quick stint of hyper inflation and it could all be wiped out overnight. The fact I know this and you haven't factored it in would suggest that knowledge is more important than money. With knowledge you can acquire money. But a fool and his money are soon parted.
So knowledge is the most important thing in life.
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I don't think theKnowledge is too important.
-Rather one's ability to think, which affects how we obtain and utilize knowledge.
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Knowledge is power, Ichi. This must be why I am so powerful! >o<
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The wise man knows everything. The shrewd man knows everyone.
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Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
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Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
A banana is an herb.
Checkmate. 8)
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Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
A banana is an herb.
Checkmate. 8)
Mint is also an herb, and it too goes well in a fruit salad.
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Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
A banana is an herb.
Checkmate. 8)
Mint is also an herb, and it too goes well in a fruit salad.
So, it appears that we have come full circle on this important subject.
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Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
A banana is an herb.
Checkmate. 8)
The banana plant is an herb that produces a fruit that we call the banana. So a "banana" is not an herb, although does grow on a 40 foot tall herb.
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Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
A banana is an herb.
Checkmate. 8)
The banana plant is an herb that produces a fruit that we call the banana. So a "banana" is not an herb, although does grow on a 40 foot tall herb.
Why are you sucking all of the fun out of this forum? >:(
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Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
A banana is an herb.
Checkmate. 8)
The banana plant is an herb that produces a fruit that we call the banana. So a "banana" is not an herb, although does grow on a 40 foot tall herb.
Give me.
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Read the last chapter, at least, several times; your comments do not apply at all to the work I quoted from.
Money = an increase in the telluric energy in one's life
This must be balanced by a corresponding increase of virtues - a very rich person MUST have virtues which are more intense and refined than those of an "ordinary" person in order not to lose sensibility (given the action of the telluric energies).
Virtues: purity, nobleness, gratitude, compassion, integrity.
Wealth is first obtained in one's mind and heart.
Read Wattles' book again, and you will discover what it means to be rich in a noncompetitive way.
you want the D
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Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
A banana is an herb.
Checkmate. 8)
The banana plant is an herb that produces a fruit that we call the banana. So a "banana" is not an herb, although does grow on a 40 foot tall herb.
Why are you sucking all of the fun out of this forum? >:(
I'm sorry. My bad. Its still cool that its the froooot of an 40 foot herb plant.
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Herbs are natural, and therefore good for you.
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Herbs are natural, and therefore good for you.
Yes, i can confern that Ferns are good for you.
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Herbs are natural, and therefore good for you.
burning nettles are used in some tea, if i go out and eat one, will i be healthier?
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Herbs are natural, and therefore good for you.
Yes, i can confern that Ferns are good for you.
This post is good for me.
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Herb is a herb. Not that I smoke anymore.
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I work with Herb. Stop talking about him. He is my friend.
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I work with Herb. Stop talking about him. He is my friend.
if i eat your friend, will i be healthier?
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I work with Herb. Stop talking about him. He is my friend.
if i eat your friend, will i be healthier?
Only if you are jewish and he is a young christian child.
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Herbs are 40 feet tall. It's a fact.
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I work with Herb. Stop talking about him. He is my friend.
if i eat your friend, will i be healthier?
Only if you are jewish and he is a young christian child.
damn, im buddhist
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Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
Why not? ???
http://www.not-just-recipes.com/tomato-fruit-salad.html (http://www.not-just-recipes.com/tomato-fruit-salad.html)
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Lots of money and little knowledge is better than lots of knowledge and little money.
Money can buy knowledge in the form of doctors and professional advisers. Knowledge can't always buy money.
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Money and trade is the by product of need.
So I guess it depends on what you need. So if you need love more than money then it is the most important thing.
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Money and trade is the by product of need.
So I guess it depends on what you need. So if you need love more than money then it is the most important thing.
How can love be more important than money if your wife loving you is on condition of you providing money?
If a married man quits his job, sells the house and all of its possessions, sells his car, moves into his parent's basement, uninterested in looking for gainful employment in preference of playing video games all day, is it likely that his wife will stick around to love him in his video game squalor? Likely not. Surely if love were more important than money, in such a situation the wife would desire to be with him no matter the circumstance.
Even children and infants love you based on the things you provide. If you are the single parent of an infant child I hardly think it will continue loving you when you stop feeding it or putting a roof over its head.
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Money and trade is the by product of need.
So I guess it depends on what you need. So if you need love more than money then it is the most important thing.
How can love be more important than money if your wife loving you is on condition of you providing money?
And if your wife loving you is not on condition of you providing money, what then?
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Money and trade is the by product of need.
So I guess it depends on what you need. So if you need love more than money then it is the most important thing.
How can love be more important than money if your wife loving you is on condition of you providing money?
And if your wife loving you is not on condition of you providing money, what then?
A wife loving you is always on the condition of providing for her. Try finding a woman who will love you when you invite her to eat leaves with you in a cardboard box under a highway overpass.
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What if you find your dream woman under a highway overpass eating leaves and living in a cardboard box?
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Money and trade is the by product of need.
So I guess it depends on what you need. So if you need love more than money then it is the most important thing.
How can love be more important than money if your wife loving you is on condition of you providing money?
And if your wife loving you is not on condition of you providing money, what then?
A wife loving you is always on the condition of providing for her. Try finding a woman who will love you when you invite her to eat leaves with you in a cardboard box under a highway overpass.
So you think that's about money and not about the type of person who would live in a cardboard box? I know/knew plenty of people who are loved by women but they have no money. They lived/live at home with their parents.
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So you think that's about money and not about the type of person who would live in a cardboard box? I know/knew plenty of people who are loved by women but they have no money. They lived/live at home with their parents.
That's incorrect. Those people you know do have money. Their family's home has monetary value. Their parent's food has monetary value. The clothing their patents provide has monetary value. The car they borrow from their dad has monetary value. Everything they have access to has significant monetary value. They likely have access to things that people would otherwise need to spend tens of thousands of dollars a year to attain themselves. If they had none of that they would have no mate.
Your argument is akin to claiming that Prince Nicholas of Romania makes no money and lives in his parent's house. But this claim is disingenuous. Prince Nicholas does have money. His family's assets are his own, and his wealth is based on that. The same goes for lesser class families and their children.
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So you think that's about money and not about the type of person who would live in a cardboard box? I know/knew plenty of people who are loved by women but they have no money. They lived/live at home with their parents.
That's incorrect. Those people you know do have money. Their family's home has monetary value. Their parent's food has monetary value. The clothing their patents provide has monetary value. The car they borrow from their dad has monetary value. Everything they have access to has significant monetary value. They likely have access to things that people would otherwise need to spend tens of thousands of dollars a year to attain themselves. If they had none of that they would have no mate.
Your argument is akin to claiming that Prince Nicholas of Romania makes no money and lives in his parent's house. But this claim is disingenuous. Prince Nicholas does have money. His family's assets are his own, and his wealth is based on that. The same goes for lesser class families and their children.
So what if these people live in a council house? Their parents have nothing but what the government gives them.
Also the person who sleeps in a cardboard box must also have some monetary value associated with their upkeep otherwise they'd starve to death. In fact I'd say a person who lives in a cardboard box probably has more going for them as they can 'survive' without leeching off their parents.
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So you think that's about money and not about the type of person who would live in a cardboard box? I know/knew plenty of people who are loved by women but they have no money. They lived/live at home with their parents.
That's incorrect. Those people you know do have money. Their family's home has monetary value. Their parent's food has monetary value. The clothing their patents provide has monetary value. The car they borrow from their dad has monetary value. Everything they have access to has significant monetary value. They likely have access to things that people would otherwise need to spend tens of thousands of dollars a year to attain themselves. If they had none of that they would have no mate.
Your argument is akin to claiming that Prince Nicholas of Romania makes no money and lives in his parent's house. But this claim is disingenuous. Prince Nicholas does have money. His family's assets are his own, and his wealth is based on that. The same goes for lesser class families and their children.
Lol, Tom is butthurt that he has only met golddiggers.
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I think Tom picks up some of his persona from MRA forums.
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So what if these people live in a council house? Their parents have nothing but what the government gives them.
The government may have a tendency to give out tens of thousands of dollars worth of food and housing to welfare cases, but that is still money.
Lol, Tom is butthurt that he has only met golddiggers.
Not all women are gold diggers, but all of them are bronze diggers. If you live on the streets and have money issues then you likely have a relationship issue as well.
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Not sure why people are actually arguing with Tom about this. If you have zero monies, you will have zero friends. No one is going to be friends with you if you have no money, and certainly not friends with benefits. Go ahead, try it. Try to have a relationship with someone without ever spending a single dime on anything. No food, no activities, nothing.
This of course excludes trophy wives, who can go an entire lifetime without so much as filing a job application.
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So what if these people live in a council house? Their parents have nothing but what the government gives them.
The government may have a tendency to give out tens of thousands of dollars worth of food and housing to welfare cases, but that is still money.
Lol, Tom is butthurt that he has only met golddiggers.
Not all women are gold diggers, but all of them are bronze diggers. If you live on the streets and have money issues then you likely have a relationship issue as well.
Because homeless people never have relationships...
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My kids are more important than money. Money on a great second place. Saddam on third and my wife on fourth. If i had no kids, money would be nr 1, and bananas nr 2.
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Lots of money and little knowledge is better than lots of knowledge and little money.
Yup. The Kardashians prove that every day. ::)
Money can buy knowledge in the form of doctors and professional advisers.
No, money can by the services of knowledgeable people. Knowledge still requires work to acquire.
Knowledge is power. After all, how often do you see knowledgeable people manipulating rich people?
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time is more important than money, without time you can't make money. And if you have money but no time, then money is useless.
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Yup. The Kardashians prove that every day. ::)
The Kardashians can afford smarter doctors and better service than most "smart" people with their measly six figure salaries.
If Kim Kardashian's son or daughter needs a liver transplant her money has the power to get better service than other people. If the hospitals in her area don't have adequate surgeons, she can fly a specialist anywhere in the world out to see her. If livers are unavailable she can secure a liver from a third world country. She can do all of this and more because she has money. Anyone else in that situation is a victim to the system and their insurance.
No, money can by the services of knowledgeable people. Knowledge still requires work to acquire.
Knowledge is power. After all, how often do you see knowledgeable people manipulating rich people?
The Kardashians made the right choices in life. They took more risks with their careers. They did not settle for a stable six figure job pushing papers or building computer servers.
The need to gain a large amount of knowledge to secure a stable job is below them. The Kardashians can buy and sell "knowledgable" people at will.
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time is more important than money, without time you can't make money. And if you have money but no time, then money is useless.
Money can buy time. A good manager delegates tasks to others so that he has more time for himself.
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Kim Kardashian became rich and famous because of a sex tape. She had no career prior to that.
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You can't eat money, Tom.
And after a system collapse, money becomes worthless and people go back to bartering. Money is not vital and is only worth what others say its worth.
People can live without money and did for millions of years. Food, air, water. These are the most important things in life.
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time is more important than money, without time you can't make money. And if you have money but no time, then money is useless.
Money can buy time. A good manager delegates tasks to others so that he has more time for himself.
That is not money buying time, that is money buyng labor. Money can buy extensions, it can buy health, it can buy food, all of which can sometimes help you free up more time for what you want to do, but in the end, money cannot stop time, nor can it speed it up, and therefore money cannot truely buy time.
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Kim Kardashian became rich and famous because of a sex tape. She had no career prior to that.
On biography.com's bio of Kim Kardashian I see a number of accomplishments (http://www.biography.com/people/kim-kardashian-450760).
You can't eat money, Tom.
And after a system collapse, money becomes worthless and people go back to bartering. Money is not vital and is only worth what others say its worth.
People can live without money and did for millions of years. Food, air, water. These are the most important things in life.
People did not live without money for "millions of years." The idea that societies ever operated on a Barter System is a myth (http://www.quora.com/Has-a-barter-economy-ever-existed). There is no evidence that these societies ever existed. The idea comes from Adam Smith's 1776 Wealth of Nations.
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Did cavemen have money, Tom? Or did they just go and get their food/water/air?
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Tom keeps up with the Kardashians.
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He's also an avid fan of Honey Boo Boo Child but we should make an effort to stay on topic.
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There's nowhere for the topic to go. Everyone says, nuh-uh Tom money isn't the most important thing, and then Tom says yes-huh, you couldn't have those things you think are important without money. This thread will continue on forever going around in circles.
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I don't even get what the point of this thread is. Obviously, to the extent that money is the medium through which we acquire the things we need/want, money is very important for acquiring the things we need/want. This entire thread is one giant tautology.
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Did cavemen have money, Tom? Or did they just go and get their food/water/air?
Yes, very early humans had money. The exchange of debt is a natural part animal nature. Monkeys, wolves, cats, and all other higher order creatures exchange debt. For example, apes will often use favors as debts - I scratch your back, you scratch mine. They exchanged favors through grooming, sharing of food, sex, protection, etc. If one ape is doing lots of favors for you, it's expected that you return the favors lest they stop. An ape will remember that Ape1 has done lots of favors for him, that Ape2 has done a few favors for him, and Ape3 has done no favors for him at all.
As primates evolved into man this form of thought currency simply transitioned into a physical representation of debt owed for better accuracy. We know that Ancient Native Americans used sticks with marks in them to keep track of debts. If you were exchanging favors with someone, you would each keep sticks with both your names on it and make identical ticks in the wood when favors were exchanged to help keep track of who owed what. This form of debt currency was later represented by feathers, sea shells, shiny stones, and finally coins and paper money -- all representing debts owed.
Animals exchanged money long before man came along. But since they didn't have tools to create physical representations of debt, they had to keep track of their debts in their own heads, enforced by implicit social contract.
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Surely doing favours for each other is bartering, Tom? Not using money.
Animals exchanged money long before man came along.
monˇey (mn)
n. pl. monˇeys or monˇies
1. A medium that can be exchanged for goods and services and is used as a measure of their values on the market, including among its forms a commodity such as gold, an officially issued coin or note, or a deposit in a checking account or other readily liquefiable account.
Animals do not exchange a medium. If they are exchanging favours such as back scratching this is co-operating, not a financial system. I don't even believe they keep track as animals don't have the same sense of future as humans. As Cesar Millan always says "a dog lives in the now. Tsssst!". However even if they do keep track, its still bartering.
I think we have found something more important than money. Things that are vital. It is proved by our most primitive of cousins and our ancestors, that money is not essential for life. Food/air/water are.
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It's not bartering because favors are a portable medium of exchange of goods and services. If you are giving ape your extra food all the time he is obligated to return the favor in some way, perhaps by grooming you and jumping in to protect you when other apes push you around. He doesn't necessarily have to give you food.
money
A generally accepted medium for the exchange of goods and services, for measuring value, or for making payments.
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It's not bartering because favors are a portable medium of exchange of goods and services. If you are giving ape your extra food all the time he is obligated to return the favor in some way, perhaps by grooming you and jumping in to protect you when other apes push you around. He doesn't necessarily have to give you food.
money
A generally accepted medium for the exchange of goods and services, for measuring value, or for making payments.
Indeed. Owing a favour is a system of barter. It is not a medium of exchange. One ape does not go to another ape and say "He owes me a back scratch, but I really want one of those juicy berries you have. Can I have a berry and he owes you a back scratch instead of me?" Money allows trade via multiple parties. Favours/bartering only allow for a two-way transaction. It is slower and more cumbersome, but it is workable. And so whilst money is helpful, its not essential. Not in the same way food/air/water are essential.
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It's not bartering because favors are a portable medium of exchange of goods and services. If you are giving ape your extra food all the time he is obligated to return the favor in some way, perhaps by grooming you and jumping in to protect you when other apes push you around. He doesn't necessarily have to give you food.
money
A generally accepted medium for the exchange of goods and services, for measuring value, or for making payments.
Indeed. Owing a favour is a system of barter. It is not a medium of exchange. One ape does not go to another ape and say "He owes me a back scratch, but I really want one of those juicy berries you have. Can I have a berry and he owes you a back scratch instead of me?" Money allows trade via multiple parties. Favours/bartering only allow for a two-way transaction. It is slower and more cumbersome, but it is workable. And so whilst money is helpful, its not essential. Not in the same way food/air/water are essential.
Bartering is a direct exchange of goods and services at time of exchange. Currency is a medium of exchange for services later rendered. It doesn't matter if a currency can only be used between two people. If a store gives you a special company coin which is only redeemable at that store, it is still currency and still represents a medium of exchange.
An artist squire might exchange drawings with his master for meals, handing over sketches when he receives his meal. That's bartering. But if the artist is out of drawings and says "I owe you one" when he receives a meal he has just created the mental equivalent of a bank note for a favor later to be repaid. This is a medium of agreed upon currency between the artist and his master. The artist squire will later repay the debt with something of perceived equal value, the money only existing in their heads.
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No, if a store give you a special coin that is not money. It is a voucher. Money must be able to be traded between more than 2 people. If McDonalds give me a voucher and I want to spend it at KFC but can't, its not money. Also, money doesn't have an expiry date. Vouchers do.
As for the artist analogy, unless the squire can trade the drawings and future drawings himself for any other good with other people, then its not money. Goods and services are not money, Tom.
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When the artist says that he doesn't have any drawings on him and gives an IOU to his master, the medium of exchange is the IOU, not drawings.
IOU's are portable between three or more people. You are unimaginative. It happens all the time. In the squire example, if a nobleman storms into the squire's master's home when the master is away, demanding that the master owes him something for killing his dog, the indebted squire might resolve the issue by offering something of his own to repay his master's debt. When the mater returns the squire tells him what happened and his debt is cleared. In this way three people are exchanging debt.
If Ape1 is indebted to Ape2, when he sees Ape2's mate is attacked he might step in to protect Ape2's mate, and assuming everyone saw what happened, this then transfers the debt to Ape2's mate.
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Goods and services are NOT money.
An IOU between two people is not money. If the issuer agrees to honour that IOU to anyone holding it - IE a central bank it becomes a currency, not money. If someone comes up to you and says "Bob, promised Mary, who promised John, who promised Jane and Marsha, who promised Phil who promised me a new pair of garden shears. Can I take this apple pie and when all of these people complete the transaction the shears will be yours, not mine?"
Would you part with your apple pie? You are dealing in promises. Not money. This is the fundamental difference between currency and money. Currency is only worth what the central bank says its worth and will honour "I promise to pay the bearer on demand ..." etc.
As you have illustrated, it is quite possible to get along without money by swapping promises and IOUs. This is because money is not the most important thing in life.
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Goods and services are NOT money.
An IOU between two people is not money. If the issuer agrees to honour that IOU to anyone holding it - IE a central bank it becomes a currency, not money. If someone comes up to you and says "Bob, promised Mary, who promised John, who promised Jane and Marsha, who promised Phil who promised me a new pair of garden shears. Can I take this apple pie and when all of these people complete the transaction the shears will be yours, not mine?"
Would you part with your apple pie? You are dealing in promises. Not money. This is the fundamental difference between currency and money. Currency is only worth what the central bank says its worth and will honour "I promise to pay the bearer on demand ..." etc.
As you have illustrated, it is quite possible to get along without money by swapping promises and IOUs. This is because money is not the most important thing in life.
In my above examples favors to repay debts are the portable medium of exchange. The difference between modern money and favors owed is simply that someone along the line was clever enough to give a receipt for the debt that they owe for better accuracy. For all intents an imaginary IOU is the same as a physical promissory note.
I don't know why you think that central banks are necessary for money to exist. For a long time central banks did not exist and individual banks printed out their own money. Anyone could start a bank and start issuing out their own brand of currency. Anyone had the right to accept or reject the notes. In the times before central banks, was that money not really money?
Indeed, it's still legal to issue your own currency. Just look at Bit Coins, Chuckee Cheese tickets, Calgary Dollars, eGold, and World of Warcraft points. These are all mediums of exchange for goods and services.
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No, central banks are necessary for currency to exist. Currency and money are not the same thing.
Are you trying to tell me that Bit Coins and World of Warcraft points are the most important things in life?
I think we are going to have to respectfully disagree that favours = money. Goods and services are not money. They are not a MEDIUM of exchange. They are a direct exchange, ie bartering. A system that does indeed work but that proves we can function without money. Thereby ensuring it can't be the most important thing in life.
I would also extrapolate that other people must therefore be more important than money, because without them, your money is just a shiny thing you can't eat.
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http://www.uhuh.com/unreal/moncur.htm (http://www.uhuh.com/unreal/moncur.htm)
Much confusion exits about money and currency. (Note the color assigments.) As you have no doubt figured out, the IBLs (International Banklords) like it that way because it blows out a natural smoke screen that plays right in to their greedy pockets. Farmers Credit Tickets was left as simple as possible to make it interesting for you. Its purpose was to get the basic idea of money across to you. Here, now, is an explanation of the difference between money and currency.
Two concepts exist that must be understood. If you don’t grasp these two concepts, the banklords will continue to enslave you by making you work for them for free. Not too good a thought, is it? So, let’s fix it. Okay? Good. The two concepts are
1. Money is unreal, meaning imaginary, intangible.
2. Currency is NOT money, but merely represents money.
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I think we are going to have to respectfully disagree that favours = money.
If I owe you a favor, we can keep that promise in our memories or write a promissory note for it, correct?
Well, modern banknotes are just promissory notes:
A banknote (often known as a bill, paper money or simply a note) is a type of negotiable instrument known as a promissory note, made by a bank, payable to the bearer on demand.
It is a receipt which represents a debt owed, no different than an IOU. It's a physical representation of a debt. Therefore, we can see that promises are money.
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No. Promises are currency. Not money. And even then they are only currency if everyone agrees to their value.
However, it only becomes a currency once you write it down or add it onto a computer system. Its not a currency if its in your head. Then it is a favour. We seem to be going around in circles.
I should also like to add that you omitted to comment on my observation that money/currency/favours are all useless without other people to honour them, and by extrapolation, other people must be more important than money. Ergo money cannot be the most important thing in life.
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Promises fit the definition of money. Not sure what you're on about.
monˇey [muhn-ee] Show IPA noun, plural monˇeys, monˇies, adjective
noun
1. any circulating medium of exchange, including coins, paper money, and demand deposits.
2. paper money.
3. gold, silver, or other metal in pieces of convenient form stamped by public authority and issued as a medium of exchange and measure of value.
4. any article or substance used as a medium of exchange, measure of wealth, or means of payment, as checks on demand deposit or cowrie.
5. a particular form or denomination of currency.
However, it only becomes a currency once you write it down or add it onto a computer system. Its not a currency if its in your head. Then it is a favour. We seem to be going around in circles.
Why is it only currency if you write it down?
If you owe me $100, do you only owe me $100 if it's written down? ???
I should also like to add that you omitted to comment on my observation that money/currency/favours are all useless without other people to honour them, and by extrapolation, other people must be more important than money. Ergo money cannot be the most important thing in life.
Air/water/DNA/the presence of other people are not the most important things in life because they are part of your surroundings and come free of cost. They are already there in your life and do not need to be earned. The things you earn are more important because they require skill, effort, and sacrifice to acquire. They have a direct impact on the standard of living for you and your family.
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Thork has turned against Bishop.
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that's because money is the root of all evil.
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Tom bishop gets on a plane to hawaii. When he gets there, he stays in his hotel room, sends his special somone out of the room, and just chills with his moneyz.
When I get home, i burn my money and sit next to the warm fire naked with my gf, and feel extrememly happy.
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Tom bishop gets on a plane to hawaii. When he gets there, he stays in his hotel room, sends his special somone out of the room, and just chills with his moneyz.
When I get home, i burn my money and sit next to the warm fire naked with my gf, and feel extrememly happy.
You wouldn't have a gf without money.
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Tom bishop gets on a plane to hawaii. When he gets there, he stays in his hotel room, sends his special somone out of the room, and just chills with his moneyz.
When I get home, i burn my money and sit next to the warm fire naked with my gf, and feel extrememly happy.
You wouldn't have a gf without money.
After I got my gf, I burned my money, and we live off of hers.
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that's because money is the root of all evil.
No. "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." 1 Timothy 6:10
Money, in and of itself, is a tool of convenience, nothing else. Once you start believing that it is the most important thing in life is when money becomes a tool of evil.
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Life is the most important thing in money.
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life is the most important thing in life
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Air/water/DNA/the presence of other people are not the most important things in life because they are part of your surroundings and come free of cost. They are already there in your life and do not need to be earned. The things you earn are more important because they require skill, effort, and sacrifice to acquire. They have a direct impact on the standard of living for you and your family.
Difficulty to acquire isn't needed for something to be important. Does the presence of oxygen not impact your standard of living? It is possible, although difficult, to live entirely without money. The same cannot be said for things like water and food.
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Money buys you food, a roof over your head, clothing, transportation, entertainment, it buys you an education, it provides for your family, it buys you health for when you are sick, it has the power to end life and the power to give it. We give up a vast majority of the time in our day - 8 hours or more, in pursuit of money. Who would spend their entire day trying to get something if it were not the most important thing in the world to them? Quite clearly, money is the terra and the firma of all earthly existence.
You go to college because you want a career with a good starting salary. You have more respect for a person with a good career than one who does not. We spend more time working than with our own families. We are willing to indenture ourselves to a lifetime of servitude in exchange for basic necessities.
Thork says it the best here:
I will make it more simple. In the 21st century slavery is abolished. That doesn't mean people aren't slaves. You can choose your master but you still have to work for someone rich. In return you will receive a wage that just about covers your living expenses. Rent/mortgage, food, clothing etc. all the things you could expect your master to supply as a slave. Some slave jobs pay better than others. You are a more cherished and useful slave and get larger accommodation and finer clothes, but you still have to work for someone. You live in a shitty box house, with your shitty little garden and look forward to 2 shitty weeks off in the summer. the free are those who own things. Companies, land, assets. They get slaves like you to work for them all week long. They spend their time playing golf, sailing yachts, bollocking people and spending more money than you can imagine. They do what they want. They don't work.
If you are born into a family that owns a supermarket chain, or a car factory, or 10,000 acres of farmland ... you were born free. You will inherit the right to do whatever you want. Pursue what ever you feel like, the money will just roll in. You own things, the slaves will earn money for you.
The only way to be free is to work for yourself. Set up your own company and get people to work for you. think about that next time you are at your crap job doing something you hate. Think about how free you are. Or when you are looking for a job, you are putting on the shackles and marching to the market waiting to be bonded into slavery and to top it off, its competitive, you are fighting each other for the best slave tasks.
Money hasn't meant freedom. Its just a form of slave credits. Its not like you own bricks of gold or farmland or anything of great physical worth. You are a slave. Wanna study for 4 years so that you can earn someone else more wealth?
How can anyone say that money is less important than love? Quite clearly, when our survival depends on it, and when all of our time is given away in pursuit of it, it is more important than all else.
How can anyone say that they are fine living on beans from paycheck to paycheck? Accidents and illnesses will happen, to both you and to your family. Money needs to be there for that. Your children will need day care, they will need a college education, and your parents will need nursing homes. You are expected to be a provider, and a good one.
Money is without value without giving it value; Love too. Will is all that matters Tom. And help. And not teaching lessons.
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Why is it only currency if you write it down?
If you owe me $100, do you only owe me $100 if it's written down? ???
If money and debt are equivalent, and if debt does not require physical currency, then wouldn't your argument be that debt is the most important thing in life?
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No. "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." 1 Timothy 6:10
yes.
but "love of money . . . " didn't have the better rhythm for a forum post.
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Ego is the most important thing, for you.
If not, you would not be here trying to prove that your position is right.
In the instance of money, if it is so extremely important, why are you here trying to prove
something, instead of pursuing what it is (the most) important?
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Money is the worst evil.
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After some time, I have come to agree with Tom. As much as I didn't want to. But money=freedom. If you have no money, you must be an economic slave. If you have lots, your money works for you. You can do what you want and have other people do things for you and you don't need to do anything other than lend the money out at interest. A rich man doesn't need to paint a poor man's fence or wash his car for him.
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After some time, I have come to agree with Tom. As much as I didn't want to. But money=freedom. If you have no money, you must be an economic slave. If you have lots, your money works for you. You can do what you want and have other people do things for you and you don't need to do anything other than lend the money out at interest. A rich man doesn't need to paint a poor man's fence or wash his car for him.
True, but it's the freedom gained from having money that gives it value, not something inherent about the money itself. And based on how each individual defines and values their freedom the amount of money required to reach that goal will differ.
But money is good for other reasons. I can use my work to help others by exchanging work for money and donating to charity, for example. Does that come at a cost to my freedom? Maybe, but everything in life has a cost. So if I decide that helping others is more important than my freedom...?
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Money has no intrinsic value. There, I invalidated the entire argument.
Money only has importance if a) it is assigned value and b) there are goods it can be exchanged for. If the reason you acquire money is to exchange it for goods, then said goods are already more important than the money you used to acquire them. And you acquired said goods to satisfy some of your needs, such as security, happiness, freedom...
When searching for the most important thing in life, you're not looking for the lowest common denominator. You're looking for the end-all be-all intrinsic value that everyone inherently strives for, whatever that may be. And that is not money; money is always just a tool for you to acquire something else.