The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: lammi on November 22, 2007, 02:49:13 AM
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get in an airplane. fly east. you WILL return back to where you started. fly north, you WILL return back to where you started, fly in any direction and you will always return back to where you started.
Better still. guys, get off the internet and get a job that makes millions, go on a space flight, and you will see that the earth IS in fact round.
is this site for real. are you guys for real. i honestly think this site proves how gullible some people are
OH LOOK, a few people that think the world is flat, hey, they sound kind of right, wow lets join in
Good day.
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Hi Lammi, welcome to this forum. I happen to fall into the round-earth side of the question. In my opinion, evidence supplied by contemporary sources is sufficient to suggest that the world is a sphere, not flat. There are others on this site who feel otherwise. I have added a poll to see exactly how people feel regarding this question in a topic titled 'fe or re'. I am interested to see how things turn out in the poll. Currently, the Re-ers are ahead 12 - 9.
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get in an airplane. fly east. you WILL return back to where you started. fly north, you WILL return back to where you started
READ THE FAQ DUMBSHOE
The Flat Earth is shaped like the United Nations logo.
North is Hubward, South is Rimward, East is Turnwise, and West is Widdershins.
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haha dumbshoe
classic
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dumbshoe. ???
You make me want to cry in laughter. ;D
You, my friend. actually i take that back, it would suck to be your friend (not that you'd have any outside of this forum)
cut a long story short. this has gone way too far, it has gone way past common sense, and you guys are taking science TOO far, you have thought SO hard and done such complex equations and elaborate google searches, that in the end, when you do realize the earth is round. You're going to be nothing. all those years spent sitting behind the computer screen with your glasses on and your mouse hand growing stronger, will have been for nothing. I suggest you buy a bike. And also a ticket to the bahamas.
If you simply CANNOT leave the computer. then i would recommend this site for you.
www.likecrack.com
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dumbshoe. ???
You make me want to cry in laughter. ;D
You, my friend. actually i take that back, it would suck to be your friend (not that you'd have any outside of this forum)
cut a long story short. this has gone way too far, it has gone way past common sense, and you guys are taking science TOO far, you have thought SO hard and done such complex equations and elaborate google searches, that in the end, when you do realize the earth is round. You're going to be nothing. all those years spent sitting behind the computer screen with your glasses on and your mouse hand growing stronger, will have been for nothing. I suggest you buy a bike. And also a ticket to the bahamas.
If you simply CANNOT leave the computer. then i would recommend this site for you.
www.likecrack.com
you've created an account on an internet forum to tell people on the forum to stop using the internet forum? Make sense damnit!
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lol, typical n00b.
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get in an airplane. fly east. you WILL return back to where you started. fly north, you WILL return back to where you started
READ THE FAQ DUMBSHOE
The Flat Earth is shaped like the United Nations logo.
North is Hubward, South is Rimward, East is Turnwise, and West is Widdershins.
hehe dumbshow, sometimes you really impress me
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get in an airplane. fly east. you WILL return back to where you started.
Works the same way on the FE.
fly north, you WILL return back to where you started
Uh, no, you can't circumnavigate the Earth by flying North, in either model.
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get in an airplane. fly east. you WILL return back to where you started. fly north, you WILL return back to where you started
READ THE FAQ DUMBSHOE
:o
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in RE, you could circumnavigate earth by going north or south far enough. of course, you would pass the north or south pole, so IN A SENSE, you would no longer be going farther north, but back south, or vise-versa.
but Tom Bishop claims that if you went south, you would keep going forever and ever and ever...
other FErs say if you went south you would fall off the edge, or be stopped by the ice wall, or soldiers from "the conspiracy" would force you to stop.
the FACT that many people have ACTUALLY crossed antactica they totally DENY!
they are so blind it's laughable!
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Right, so circumnavigation by going north or south is not possible in either model. Glad that is settled.
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If you followed a compass North, you'd have a hard time reaching the North pole anyways.
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If you followed a compass North, you'd have a hard time reaching the North pole anyways.
true , magnetic north isnt the north pole. is that the same in FE ?
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Better still. guys, get off the internet and get a job that makes millions, go on a space flight, and you will see that the earth IS in fact round.
You make it sound so easy ::)
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WRONG! someone on the RE COULD go from the north pole to the south pole, then back along the OPPOSITE side, thus circumnavigating the world north-south!
look at this map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CircumnavigationByTrades.png
the red line is the actual course, the yellow line is the ANTIPODE: the exact opposite side of the earth from the actual course. this is a sailing ship going east-west.
or plot a north-south course using THIS map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Usgs_map_traverse_mercator.PNG
that's a map that does not have the north pole in the center!
oh, you don't even need a spaceship: a jet airplane would be good enough.
check the other thread, something about "mig 31"!
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The whole point is that you can't keep only going north or only going south and end up back where you started ::)
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in the RE model you can, in the FE model you can't.
but in the REAL world we actually live in, people can!
so earth most be round!
it HAS BEEN DONE, so it IS possible!
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in the RE model you can, in the FE model you can't.
but in the REAL world we actually live in, people can!
so earth most be round!
it HAS BEEN DONE, so it IS possible!
In your head: start at the equator, travel north. See if you can get back to where you started without ever stopping following north. I believe you will run into some trouble once you hit the north pole.
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you are still arguing semantics!
ok, one more try: start at the equator, longitude 0n,0e. (near the coast of africa)
then go north, following the latitude line till 90n,0e. (the north pole)
then follow the opposite latitude to 0n,180e. (near hawaii)
then continue south to 90s,0e. (the south pole)
then follow the first latitude line again, and you wind up back at 0n,0e!
thus circumnavigating the world North/South!
get the point yet?
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Oh, I got that months ago. Read above to what you called wrong of TheEngineer's and Agent Z's and you'll see what I'm talking about.
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If you followed a compass North, you'd have a hard time reaching the North pole anyways.
true , magnetic north isnt the north pole. is that the same in FE ?
obviously. I'm getting sick of this "is that the same in FE?" question.
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some FErs think the south magnetic pole is UNDER the FE, which is silly, since compasses would point up or down if that was true.
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hold a compass on it's edge, and walla, up or down.
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some FErs think the south magnetic pole is UNDER the FE, which is silly, since compasses would point up or down if that was true.
Why? Compasses don't point to the poles... ???
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no, they point along the magnetic fields, which would go up/down if the south magnetic pole was under the earth.
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Why?
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READ THE FAQ DUMBSHOE
LMAO
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no, they point along the magnetic fields, which would go up/down if the south magnetic pole was under the earth.
actually the magnetic pole is different from say the north pole , same with south.
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check this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_magnetic_pole
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What about it?
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so, some FErs claim the South mangetic pole is "under" the earth!
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No, the magnetic South Pole is in the center of the FE. It's the magnetic North that is under the FE.
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(sarcasm) which is why compasses point south...
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Uh, ok, how about an actual response?
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it is possible to stand right on top of the north magnetic pole AND the south magnetic pole.
if earth was flat, people would have to go UNDER it to reach one of them!
is that simple enough for you to understand?
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How would you know you were at the pole?
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gaussmeter,
compasses,
or Bishop-like intuition :o
*twilight zone music plays*
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Exactly.
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I was serious about the first two.
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So was I.
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Just to point out... if you were to hold your average dime-store compass straight up and down (or perpendicular to the ground I should say) it is no longer accurate. It simply starts trying to "level itself" and the point-needle will simply stick to the backing or float in/out according to your direction from magnetic North / South.
Perfect example. Go buy a dial compass, and a 'water-compass' as they are sometimes called - basically a polarized ball with markings inside of a clear ball filled w/ water. dial compass flakes out when pointed up and down, the floating ball simply rights itself any time you try to spin it. The end. eh?
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Ummm duh.
I bet there was a point in there. But i missed it.
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hold a compass on it's edge, and walla, up or down.
Um Duh... there's your point. No need to be an ass, especially if you aren't putting any effort in before you post.
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oh. i hadn't read that far back. a quote woulda been nice.
But if there was only a north pole, compasses would still work.
A south pole magnet would still point to the center and the north pole would simply swing in the opposite direction.
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hold a compass on it's edge, and walla, up or down.
Um Duh... there's your point. No need to be an ass, especially if you aren't putting any effort in before you post.
Hmm, I still don't see the point.
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get in an airplane. fly east. you WILL return back to where you started. fly north, you WILL return back to where you started
READ THE FAQ DUMBSHOE
The Flat Earth is shaped like the United Nations logo.
North is Hubward, South is Rimward, East is Turnwise, and West is Widdershins.
Widder-what-now? Did you make this up or is Dr Rowbotham behind this masterpiece?
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hold a compass on it's edge, and walla, up or down.
Um Duh... there's your point. No need to be an ass, especially if you aren't putting any effort in before you post.
Hmm, I still don't see the point.
Do you actually read through the posts? Or do you just enjoy antagonizing me in the forums?
Either way is fine, I'd just like to know up front since it seems you keep intentionally excluding pertinent information from your posts when quoting me.
For instance in this situation there is an entire post that this quote is referring to. If you can't see the point of it, then I don't see how I can help you understand how a compass works. You seem intelligent enough. I'd think you could google it if nothing else?
Simple - you have a magnetic thin strip of anything, compass needle or not. put it on a fulcrum of some kind, it will rotate towards a polar opposite right? ok, hold it upright, that thin piece of magnetic material is going to smack against the backing the fulcrum is projecting up from trying to get to it's original polar opposite it was trying to reach in the first place. It's not rocket science... eh?
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Do you actually read through the posts?
Yes.
Or do you just enjoy antagonizing me in the forums?
You are not that special.
Simple - you have a magnetic thin strip of anything, compass needle or not. put it on a fulcrum of some kind, it will rotate towards a polar opposite right? ok, hold it upright, that thin piece of magnetic material is going to smack against the backing the fulcrum is projecting up from trying to get to it's original polar opposite it was trying to reach in the first place. It's not rocket science... eh?
Right. Now how is that relevant to the discussion?
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Do you actually read through the posts?
Yes.
I'm not so sure.
Or do you just enjoy antagonizing me in the forums?
You are not that special.
Apparently so.. you're doing it again, just look at your last comment here...
Simple - you have a magnetic thin strip of anything, compass needle or not. put it on a fulcrum of some kind, it will rotate towards a polar opposite right? ok, hold it upright, that thin piece of magnetic material is going to smack against the backing the fulcrum is projecting up from trying to get to it's original polar opposite it was trying to reach in the first place. It's not rocket science... eh?
Right. Now how is that relevant to the discussion?
It's relevant due to the fact that this thread has progressed towards a compass variant of the original question regarding continuous travel around the RE model globe. How is it not relevant? I was just answering a question that you have now forced me to answer again just to explain why I answered it in the first place.
Reference your own post in response to how one would know they were at the poles? Then reference that back to someone thinking you could hold it upright for a FE model.
You are just antagonizing me and that's the obvious truth. Either that or you just overlooked one of the posts. Either way, what's the big deal? I explained a simple truth and you act like it's not relevant to a discussion that it's in current discussion of... if it makes you feel better, I can make this my last post in this thread. Does that work out better?
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Ah, but you aren't special. It is the common FE strategy of asking questions to lead the thread off topic.
Example:
1. FE is impossible for reason A
2. What about reason B?
....and a long discussion takes place about B until A is long forgotten. If its not forgotten they ignore you.
Take it as a compliment meaning your winning. ;)
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Well at least in this situation.. it's nice *not* to be 'special' lol :)
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Ah, but you aren't special. It is the common FE strategy of asking questions to lead the thread off topic.
Example:
1. FE is impossible for reason A
2. What about reason B?
....and a long discussion takes place about B until A is long forgotten. If its not forgotten they ignore you.
Take it as a compliment meaning your winning. ;)
He wasn't though. He went off topic on his own and was paying attention to dumb posts.
The thing everyone needs to realize is you don't need 2 poles on the surface. Since every magnet has a NORTH AND SOUTH pole, you only need a North pole for the compass to work.
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Since every magnet has a NORTH AND SOUTH pole, you only need a magnetic field for the compass to work.
Fixed.
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lol yeah that would be more accurate. I meant on the surface or something idk.
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Actually I was paying very close attention, and the compass / magnetic poles was simply an offshoot of the original issue. Geez you people.
Also, I hate to burst your bubble, but there's a lot more to how a compass works with the Earth's "poles" than you seem to realize. You can't just have a single North Pole and call it good (we'll use north pole for this discussion). A magnetic field does not exist without having both N and S poles for one thing, beyond that, the Earth's magnetic field is *not* perfect. Therfore when navigating with a compass, if all you had was a single point from which to navigate from, you would have to redefine all the navigational information handed down over the ages.
Such as "Take this heading along this reading" - it wouldn't work the way you're implying. Just stop and think about it for a minute. Not to mention the problems you would have with natural ferrous deposits and even man-made magnetic interferences along your way, would be doubly amplified by having only one pole.
The needle on your compass would be ineffectual on nearly 1/4 of the Earth if not more! See what I mean?
Here is a youtube video on how a complicated Marine compass is made. It will give you an idea of what the counter 'forces' are involved in allowing a compass to work in the first place.
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Ah, TheEngineer corrected that one. Never mind. :)
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you are still arguing semantics!
ok, one more try: start at the equator, longitude 0n,0e. (near the coast of africa)
then go north, following the latitude line till 90n,0e. (the north pole)
then follow the opposite latitude to 0n,180e. (near hawaii)
then continue south to 90s,0e. (the south pole)
then follow the first latitude line again, and you wind up back at 0n,0e!
thus circumnavigating the world North/South!
get the point yet?
::) For the love of God THE WHOLE POINT IS 'SEMANTICS'!
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let me repeat my point once more for those who missed it:
on RE, it is possible to circumnavigate the world north-south.
on FE it is impossible to circumnavigate the world north-south; you would fall off the edge or keep going forever!
BUT: on the ACTUAL world we ACTUALLY LIVE IN it IS possible, just as i described in my thread you just quoted.
i re-phased it like that because someone kept repeating "you can't go farther south than the south pole, so you can't circimnavigate" which is just semenatics!
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which is just semenatics!
semen-antics? :o
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get in an airplane. fly east. you WILL return back to where you started. fly north, you WILL return back to where you started
READ THE FAQ DUMBSHOE
The Flat Earth is shaped like the United Nations logo.
North is Hubward, South is Rimward, East is Turnwise, and West is Widdershins.
Widder-what-now? Did you make this up or is Dr Rowbotham behind this masterpiece?
Learn English, that explains it