The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: Jesus89 on June 09, 2007, 05:56:00 AM
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Allright since some of you are still under the brainwashed cult assumtion the Earth is flat, would one of your brainiacs wanna tell me how Circumnavigation works? If the Earth was indeed flat, (which it is is not), then theoretically it would not be possible, there would only be a point A, and point B. Cirumnavigation has been documented MULTIPLE TIMES. Enough times tha you cannot possibly dismiss it as a "conspiracry." This whole, "FE" bs, this is a conspiracy. Might I add that current global communication systems would be impossible without low-orbit and high-orbit Satelites. Would someone please would like to explain to me how thing's like Satelite Television and things of that nature work if sustained space flight is impossible? Like I said to deny the existance of sustained space orbit essentially means you don't belive in physics. (Proven the world over in high school physics classes the world over)
I am begining to believe that you FE Belivers were huffing paint instead of paying attention in physics.
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Easy, you follow a compass East or West, the needle points north-to the centre, as you go 'round the Earth the needle stays tracked on the North pole, you end up walking a circle. Exactly as you do on a theoretical RE
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For all you people that are smart enough to say an FE is so outlandish, you really do have a hard time reading and comprehending the simple logic contained in the FAQ. It's simply amazing.
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For all you people that are smart enough to say an FE is so outlandish, you really do have a hard time reading and comprehending the simple logic contained in the FAQ. It's simply amazing.
Or do as i do and trawl through older threads... either way yields you results
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For all you people that are smart enough to say an FE is so outlandish, you really do have a hard time reading and comprehending the simple logic contained in the FAQ. It's simply amazing.
I would if the FAQ didnt constantly contradicting itself. And I'm not asking the FAQ i'm asking you all. I'm asking for a LIVE response because I think the FAQ is total shite.
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I freaking did answer your ya blind twat!
Easy, you follow a compass East or West, the needle points north-to the centre, as you go 'round the Earth the needle stays tracked on the North pole, you end up walking a circle. Exactly as you do on a theoretical RE
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wanna tell me how Circumnavigation works? If the Earth was indeed flat, (which it is is not), then theoretically it would not be possible
Wrong...look up the word genius. An FE doesn't dismiss the word completely.
to deny the existance of sustained space orbit essentially means you don't belive in physics.
I'm pretty sure physics existed a considerable amount of time before Man claimed they went into space, so I'm not exactly sure why you'd use a clearly inaccurate statement like that.
You should spend more time focusing on learning how to spell and use logic, instead of utilizing poor insults over the internet.
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lol, so instead of trying to make a counter point your going to insult my spelling abilities?
Also:
"A: There is a vast ice wall that keeps the water where it is. The ice wall is roughly 150ft high. This also explains why you can find a vast plane of ice when you travel south.
Antarctica as a continent does not exist.
Q: "How does global warming affect the ice wall?"
A1: The Ice Wall is really a mountain range. It just happens to be covered in ice and snow."
Which is it, an ice wall or a mountain range? And if its only 150ft then I'd say its no where near large enough to stop any kind of cloud cover nor is it large enough to impede any kind of travel, nor is it large enough to do anything really. How did you come to the conclusion of 150'? K2 is over 23,000' that impede's travel. And 150' is nothing. I just can't even think of words to describe how that conclusion insults intelligent thought. I have officially lost all faith in humanity with that FAQ. Literally lost it. You all deserve to be destroyed by a large comet. Really like absolutely whiped off the face of the universe and smeared across the galaxy. I'd say you better start believing in NASA otherwise you all are FUBAR.
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lol, so instead of trying to make a counter point your going to insult my spelling abilities?
Well, I made points, but you didn't offer any explanation to them in this post unfortunately. And yes, I would insult your poor spelling, because if you're so smart as to enlighten the FE'ers on this forum, which I'm not...how smart can you really be?
Which is it, an ice wall or a mountain range? And if its only 150ft then I'd say its no where near large enough to stop any kind of cloud cover nor is it large enough to impede any kind of travel, nor is it large enough to do anything really. How did you come to the conclusion of 150'? K2 is over 23,000' that impede's travel. And 150' is nothing. I just can't even think of words to describe how that conclusion insults intelligent thought. I have officially lost all faith in humanity with that FAQ. Literally lost it. You all deserve to be destroyed by a large comet. Really like absolutely whiped off the face of the universe and smeared across the galaxy. I'd say you better start believing in NASA otherwise you all are FUBAR.
I can't answer those questions, because I didn't make the FAQ or the theory. As for believing in NASA, no one in FES has ever denied its existence.
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lol, so instead of trying to make a counter point your going to insult my spelling abilities?
Well, I made points, but you didn't offer any explanation to them in this post unfortunately. And yes, I would insult your poor spelling, because if you're so smart as to enlighten the FE'ers on this forum, which I'm not...how smart can you really be?
Which is it, an ice wall or a mountain range? And if its only 150ft then I'd say its no where near large enough to stop any kind of cloud cover nor is it large enough to impede any kind of travel, nor is it large enough to do anything really. How did you come to the conclusion of 150'? K2 is over 23,000' that impede's travel. And 150' is nothing. I just can't even think of words to describe how that conclusion insults intelligent thought. I have officially lost all faith in humanity with that FAQ. Literally lost it. You all deserve to be destroyed by a large comet. Really like absolutely whiped off the face of the universe and smeared across the galaxy. I'd say you better start believing in NASA otherwise you all are FUBAR.
I can't answer those questions, because I didn't make the FAQ or the theory. As for believing in NASA, no one in FES has ever denied its existence.
NASA: I believe they discounted NASA as one large conspiracy, along with every space program on the globle (the spherical thing we live on.)
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Easy, you follow a compass East or West, the needle points north-to the centre, as you go 'round the Earth the needle stays tracked on the North pole, you end up walking a circle. Exactly as you do on a theoretical RE
Yes because when a plane like the SR-71 circumnavigates the globe it needs a compass -_- You are ridiculous sir. Minus another 50 points to Griffindor.
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NASA: I believe they discounted NASA as one large conspiracy, along with every space program on the globle (the spherical thing we live on.)
NASA as an organization exists, as no FE'er would deny. What they actually do is subject to their (FE'er's) skepticism. So in short, NASA and space programs from a few of the world's countries would be in on this conspiracy, yes.
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I thought you weren't an FE believer? You seem to be pro consipracy. Which inteprets to me that you'd entertain the thought of a Flat Earth, which in that case you are just as bad as they are.
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I thought you weren't an FE believer? You seem to be pro consipracy. Which inteprets to me that you'd entertain the thought of a Flat Earth, which in that case you are just as bad as they are.
I don't believe in an FE. Until they can prove with considerable evidence that the Earth is flat, then I'll have to stay with what is assumed. I'm not naive enough to think it isn't a possibility though. It's certainly not plausible.
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Easy, you follow a compass East or West, the needle points north-to the centre, as you go 'round the Earth the needle stays tracked on the North pole, you end up walking a circle. Exactly as you do on a theoretical RE
Okay, explain how that can happen when navigating with a gyrocompass.
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lol yes please. Or jee pee ess
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"Over geological timescales, the orientation of Earth's magnetic field (and that of other planets) can flip over, so that magnetic north becomes magnetic south and vice versa – an event known as a geomagnetic reversal. The Earth's magnetic field has done this repeatedly throughout history. It is thought that reversals occur when the circulation of liquid nickel/iron in the Earth's outer core is disrupted and then reestablishes itself in the opposite direction. It is not known what causes these disruptions."
That sounds cool.
Okay, explain how that can happen when navigating with a gyrocompass.
Does anyone know the distance between true north and that of the magnetic north?
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For all you people that are smart enough to say an FE is so outlandish, you really do have a hard time reading and comprehending the simple logic contained in the FAQ. It's simply amazing.
You're silly.
But you kind of piss me off sometimes.
It's like you come on these forums to prove everything wrong but nothing right.
I guess I can't criticize that, but it annoys me.
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Allright since some of you are still under the brainwashed cult assumtion the Earth is flat, would one of your brainiacs wanna tell me how Circumnavigation works? If the Earth was indeed flat, (which it is is not), then theoretically it would not be possible, there would only be a point A, and point B. Cirumnavigation has been documented MULTIPLE TIMES. Enough times tha you cannot possibly dismiss it as a "conspiracry." This whole, "FE" bs, this is a conspiracy. Might I add that current global communication systems would be impossible without low-orbit and high-orbit Satelites. Would someone please would like to explain to me how thing's like Satelite Television and things of that nature work if sustained space flight is impossible? Like I said to deny the existance of sustained space orbit essentially means you don't belive in physics. (Proven the world over in high school physics classes the world over)
I am begining to believe that you FE Belivers were huffing paint instead of paying attention in physics.
Where's the proof?
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Easy, you follow a compass East or West, the needle points north-to the centre, as you go 'round the Earth the needle stays tracked on the North pole, you end up walking a circle. Exactly as you do on a theoretical RE
Okay, explain how that can happen when navigating with a gyrocompass.
Didn't we go through this already?
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Easy, you follow a compass East or West, the needle points north-to the centre, as you go 'round the Earth the needle stays tracked on the North pole, you end up walking a circle. Exactly as you do on a theoretical RE
Okay, explain how that can happen when navigating with a gyrocompass.
Didn't we go through this already?
Nope you bowed out of the challenge until you had more time. You've claimed the product labeled "Gyro Compass" wasn't a gyrocompass. You claimed without reference that all gyrocompasses must be realigned as often as every fifteen minutes. We maintain the gyrocompasses work very well to maintain true headings.
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The product you passed off as a gyrocompass contained no gyros. It was an inertial navigation system. If you had bothered to read the manual, you would have noticed this.
Any aviation manual will inform you of the frequency of realignment of the gyrocompass.
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Look Jesus, the fact is that , if the Earth is flat, the Centre of the Earth is the North Pole. A compass points at the North pole, so is constantly pointing towards the centre of the disc.
Consequently, if you go, say, East, you are going at a right angle to North, as you look at a compass. However, as soon as you go a small distance you will have moved to a different point and North will be in a different place. You keep going East, but to do this you have to adjust your direction. In order to do this, you have to go in a circle.
Thats how these guys justify their arguements. Unfortunately for them, there are other ways of travelling in a straight line.
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The product you passed off as a gyrocompass contained no gyros. It was an inertial navigation system. If you had bothered to read the manual, you would have noticed this.
Any aviation manual will inform you of the frequency of realignment of the gyrocompass.
I see. You know more than the manufacturer. Oh, and thanks for another useless non-referenced hyperbole. I bet you I can find an aviation manual from WWI, from before Sperry invented the gyrocompass, that won't inform me of the frequency of realignment of the gyrocompass.
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Don't be petty. Perhaps he meant any modern mannual?
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For all you people that are smart enough to say an FE is so outlandish, you really do have a hard time reading and comprehending the simple logic contained in the FAQ. It's simply amazing.
There is little logic in FAQ
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Don't be petty. Perhaps he meant any modern mannual?
He's the word gamer, not me.
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I see. You know more than the manufacturer. Oh, and thanks for another useless non-referenced hyperbole. I bet you I can find an aviation manual from WWI, from before Sperry invented the gyrocompass, that won't inform me of the frequency of realignment of the gyrocompass.
The SSC200 detects the direction of the earth’s magnetic field using solid state
magnetometers and indicates the vessel heading relative to magnetic north. In addition, the
SSC200 incorporates solid state accelerometers and a solid state angular rate sensor for
indicating the vessel’s attitude (pitch and roll) and rate of turn.
The Maretron SSC200 Solid State Compass has the following features.
• NMEA 2000® and NMEA 0183 Interfaces
• Solid State Magnetometers for Indicating the Vessel’s Heading
• Solid State Accelerometers for Indicating the Vessel’s Attitude (Pitch and Roll)
• Solid State Angular Rate Sensor for Indicating the Vessel’s Rate of Turn
• Advanced Kalman Filtering for Stable and Accurate Output During Dynamic Conditions
• Fast Response Time Stabilizes Auto-Pilot Systems
• Calibration for Compensating Magnetic Deviation Caused by Hard and Soft Iron Effects
• Installation-Offset Capability for Aligning the Compass to the Vessel
• Programmable Variation
• Waterproof Enclosure and Cable System
That indicates an inertial navigation system.
For the realignment:
The heading indicator (or HI) is an instrument used in an aircraft to inform the pilot of his heading. It is sometimes referred to by its older name, the directional gyro, or (UK usage) direction indicator or DI. The primary means of establishing heading in most small aircraft is the magnetic compass, but that suffers from errors created by the 'dip' or downward slope of the earth's magnetic field. Dip error causes the magnetic compass to read incorrectly whenever the aircraft is in a bank, or during acceleration, making it difficult to use in any flight condition other than perfectly straight and level. To remedy this, the pilot will typically maneuver the airplane with reference to the heading indicator, as the gyroscopic heading indicator is unaffected by dip and acceleration errors. The pilot will periodically reset the HI to the heading shown on the magnetic compass.
From Wiki's entry on gyrocompasses:
The following description refers to the gyrocompasses used on ships. Aircraft also use gyrocompasses, but use different, faster means to counter the precession of the compass. One of those means is to use a magnetic compass to continually adjust the gyrocompass. Also, some gyrocompasses are driven by compressed air instead of electricity.
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You're silly.
But you kind of piss me off sometimes.
It's like you come on these forums to prove everything wrong but nothing right.
I guess I can't criticize that, but it annoys me.
I'm sorry I annoy you.
I don't try to prove EVERYTHING wrong, but if I see someone making a dumb statement, and foregoing logic, I'm going to bug them about it. You can't argue or get a point across when you can't communicate effectively, and they shouldn't be using common sense or their preconceived notions to do the battles for them. They just get lazy.
And, I wouldn't be able to prove everything right. While I have about 5GB of math/physics books, there's no way I'm going to sit and learn all this stuff to start proving stuff for an RE or FE. I really don't care what shape the Earth is. I'm only interested in the conventions of debating and helping people to use their brains, and to stop them from being stupid. If I help RE'ers make a good point, or I help an FE'er make something more clear, I'll be satisfied.
When I make a mistake, please criticize me! No one should be spared.
And again, no one answered my question. Convenient.
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Does anyone know the distance between true north and that of the magnetic north?
Yes, though the magnetic pole does move around a little bit. Please reference: http://gsc.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/nmp/northpole_e.php (http://gsc.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/nmp/northpole_e.php)
The FE distance from 90oN and to the 2005 location was 505 miles. Google Earth can also answer your question if you pining to know the FE distance.
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You're silly.
But you kind of piss me off sometimes.
It's like you come on these forums to prove everything wrong but nothing right.
I guess I can't criticize that, but it annoys me.
I'm sorry I annoy you.
I don't try to prove EVERYTHING wrong, but if I see someone making a dumb statement, and foregoing logic, I'm going to bug them about it. You can't argue or get a point across when you can't communicate effectively, and they shouldn't be using common sense or their preconceived notions to do the battles for them. They just get lazy.
And, I wouldn't be able to prove everything right. While I have about 5GB of math/physics books, there's no way I'm going to sit and learn all this stuff to start proving stuff for an RE or FE. I really don't care what shape the Earth is. I'm only interested in the conventions of debating and helping people to use their brains, and to stop them from being stupid. If I help RE'ers make a good point, or I help an FE'er make something more clear, I'll be satisfied.
When I make a mistake, please criticize me! No one should be spared.
And again, no one answered my question. Convenient.
Yeah, I guess you're right. You're also kind of a stupidity filter, which is good.
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Do i need to pull the short bus over and separate you too?
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You sure let this one die, Gulliver.
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You sure let this one die, Gulliver.
Says the master of it.
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I would just like to point out that according to most people, the OP's signature proves the earth is man made.
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Wouldn't an airplane "circumnavigating" a flat Earth notice, at least the tiniest little bit, that they're always turning in one direction? I mean, it'd be a very slight turn, yes, but you'd have to notice at least something, wouldn't you? With all of the Earth laid out below you, wouldn't you notice that your orientation seems to be changing?
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Wouldn't an airplane "circumnavigating" a flat Earth notice, at least the tiniest little bit, that they're always turning in one direction? I mean, it'd be a very slight turn, yes, but you'd have to notice at least something, wouldn't you? With all of the Earth laid out below you, wouldn't you notice that your orientation seems to be changing?
That's like saying, "if you walk along the (round) earth long enough, wouldn't you notice you're going kind of downwardish, like on top of a huge ball?"
The proportions are just too big.
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Presumeably you could work it out using a point of reference, eg a mountain peak, and special equipment? Like a telescope.
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You sure let this one die, Gulliver.
I'll be back to this. I've sent off a letter to the manufacturer with your claim of false advertising and a reference to it here on the Forum. You just need to patient until they reply.
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Some people have way too much time.
As this thread looks deadish (I know TheEngineer will make it so in due time) I just wanted to point out that I agree with divito about this whole good-debating logic-filtering thing. I don't do it myself, but if I see another REer making a stupid or illogical argument, I tend to steer clear of it (I'm not 100% though :P) rather than jumping on the 'fuck the FE' bandwagon. I constantly aspire to better debating of course...
This statement:
When I make a mistake, please criticize me! No one should be spared.
Reminded me a lot of this:
...I have had such faults; but rather tell me,
When I, that censure him, do so offend,
Let mine own judgment pattern out my death,
And nothing come in partial.
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That's a wonderful quote.
We should all be so unhypocritical.
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You sure let this one die, Gulliver.
I'll be back to this. I've sent off a letter to the manufacturer with your claim of false advertising and a reference to it here on the Forum. You just need to patient until they reply.
Awesome. Maybe they will give me money for bringing it to their attention.
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^We can all hope.
Any explanation for circumnavigation traveling north-south? I'm particularly interested in over the South Pole; With the time it takes to fly from Austrailia to South America, I'm curious.
I know how east-west works so I don't care about that. I'm curious about North-South.
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The product you passed off as a gyrocompass contained no gyros. It was an inertial navigation system. If you had bothered to read the manual, you would have noticed this.
Any aviation manual will inform you of the frequency of realignment of the gyrocompass.
Well, I figured out what you don't understand. Gyrocompasses have gone solid state, no more spinning wheels. Reference: http://www.sperrymarine.northropgrumman.com/Products/Gyrocompasses/navigat2100/ (http://www.sperrymarine.northropgrumman.com/Products/Gyrocompasses/navigat2100/)
The NAVIGAT 2100 Fiber Optic Gyrocompass is the first solid-state, fully electronic digital gyrocompass system for marine application in strapdown technology designed for integrated bridges and advanced high-speed vessels. The fiber optic gyrocompass is a complete solid-state design with no rotating or other moving parts, It has a very high reliability and no maintenance requirements during its service life. The NAVIGAT 2100 fiber optic gyrocompass and attitude heading reference system is comprised of a sensor unit, a control and display unit, and an interface and power supply unit.
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No more spinning wheels?!?! What madness!!
A ring laser gyro is not exactly new.
You don't seem to understand that the one you posted contained accelerometers and magnetometers, a rather strong indicator of an inertial navigation system.
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No more spinning wheels?!?! What madness!!
A ring laser gyro is not exactly new.
You don't seem to understand that the one you posted contained accelerometers and magnetometers, a rather strong indicator of an inertial navigation system.
Well, then I'll just have to consider whom to believe, a no-name poster or the manufacturer... Let me think...
You're still left to explain why NG doesn't list the need to reset the gyrocompass like you claim must be done in every gyrocompass often.
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Well, then I'll just have to consider whom to believe, a no-name poster or the manufacturer... Let me think...
Believe about what?
You're still left to explain why NG doesn't list the need to reset the gyrocompass
Laser gyros most often are used in very sophisticated applications where processor power is not an issue. The RLG setup can accurately determine the direction of true north due to the rotation of the earth and the orientations of the RLGs.
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Well, then I'll just have to consider whom to believe, a no-name poster or the manufacturer... Let me think...
Believe about what?
Whether the device is a gyrocompass as the manufacturer claims, or not as you claim.
You're still left to explain why NG doesn't list the need to reset the gyrocompass
Laser gyros most often are used in very sophisticated applications where processor power is not an issue. The RLG setup can accurately determine the direction of true north due to the rotation of the earth and the orientations of the RLGs.
So you were wrong when you said:
Gyrocompasses must be constantly realigned, often times every 15 minutes.
Since we now know that gyrocompasses don't need to realigned, I stand by my position that modern navigation ensures true headings and accurate positioning. Therefore, circumnavigating the Equator to the east without changing heading, either by compass or rudder, demonstrates that Earth is round.
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Well, then I'll just have to consider whom to believe, a no-name poster or the manufacturer... Let me think...
Believe about what?
Whether the device is a gyrocompass as the manufacturer claims, or not as you claim.
You picked the wrong example to use, it's not that big of a deal. I forgive you.
So you were wrong when you said:
Gyrocompasses must be constantly realigned, often times every 15 minutes.
Since we now know that gyrocompasses don't need to realigned, I stand by my position that modern navigation ensures true headings and accurate positioning. Therefore, circumnavigating the Equator to the east without changing heading, either by compass or rudder, demonstrates that Earth is round.
No, I was not wrong, you just don't know how to read. Using a RLG setup removes the need to manually realign the gyrocompass, much like the way that an inertial navigation system is slaved to a GPS receiver to correct for integration drift. The RLG realigns itself a few thousand times a minute.
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Can anyone explain gyrocompasses (in layman's terms) to me so I can understand what's going on in this thread?
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Well, then I'll just have to consider whom to believe, a no-name poster or the manufacturer... Let me think...
Believe about what?
Whether the device is a gyrocompass as the manufacturer claims, or not as you claim.
You picked the wrong example to use, it's not that big of a deal. I forgive you.
So you were wrong when you said:
Gyrocompasses must be constantly realigned, often times every 15 minutes.
Since we now know that gyrocompasses don't need to realigned, I stand by my position that modern navigation ensures true headings and accurate positioning. Therefore, circumnavigating the Equator to the east without changing heading, either by compass or rudder, demonstrates that Earth is round.
No, I was not wrong, you just don't know how to read. Using a RLG setup removes the need to manually realign the gyrocompass, much like the way that an inertial navigation system is slaved to a GPS receiver to correct for integration drift. The RLG realigns itself a few thousand times a minute.
Here we go with word games again. We have to insert the words to make your statement true. "Gyrocompasses must be constantly realigned except for modern gyrocompasses which realign themselves."
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Can anyone explain gyrocompasses (in layman's terms) to me so I can understand what's going on in this thread?
A gyrocompass is a device that provides true headings. The use of such a device to circumnavigate the earth, as modern ships do, proves that the Earth is a sphere and not a disc.
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I see. How do they work though? Do they detect the rotation of the Earth or something?
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Here we go with word games again. We have to insert the words to make your statement true. "Gyrocompasses must be constantly realigned except for modern gyrocompasses which realign themselves."
And thus must be constantly realigned. I'm actually quite surprised that the person who helped write the navigation software for the B-2 would not know about RLGs or how they are used. You know, since the B-2 uses them.
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Here we go with word games again. We have to insert the words to make your statement true. "Gyrocompasses must be constantly realigned except for modern gyrocompasses which realign themselves."
And thus must be constantly realigned. I'm actually quite surprised that the person who helped write the navigation software for the B-2 would not know about RLGs or how they are used. You know, since the B-2 uses them.
Ha. What a joke. No one is realigning those gyrocompasses. Oh, and good luck trying to turn your error into an ad hominem fallacy.
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Er Gully, how's your reading comprehension going?
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Er Gully, how's your reading comprehension going?
Just fine. How's yours?
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Not so well
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How come you're still here? :o
Don't take that the wrong way...I'm just surprised...
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All explained in Fuck Yeah in Everything Else. And I;m off to bed now, night Gin dear
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How come you're still here? :o
Don't take that the wrong way...I'm just surprised...
She was lying about leaving the whole time. She was feeling kind of down, nobody loves her, etc, so she wanted to do something that would force everybody else to fawn attention on her. It's kind of pathetic, really. ;D
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I've never seen such birdwalking in my entire life....
Simple as this gentleman, based on the "FAQ" as well as the common sense of shapes.
Lets say theoretically the world is flat. You cannot circumnavigate a plane (flat surface). Correct? And the 150' Ice Wall (God forbid it stops a plane with its trembling heights), would impede further travel.
However this is not true, this is false. You can go AROUND a sphere. Yes there's a pun in what I just said, deal with it, I'm not here to do any favors for anyone.
DO AT HOME EXERIMENT!
Get a globe, and a peice of paper. Set them side by side. The Globe represents, RE, the paper FE. Slide your finger along the globe. Select any one point and move the globe around sliding your finger around it until you come back to the point you've selected (circumnavigation). Do the same thing on a sheet of paper. Once your finger has slid of the piece of paper your journey ends.
So when you guys decide to finally man up and go on that expedition to the End of the World. You give me a call. Until then accept the world is round and please do not procreate.
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Ha. What a joke. No one is realigning those gyrocompasses.
Uh, that's what I said. I really hope you can take those remedial classes.
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I've never seen such birdwalking in my entire life....
Simple as this gentleman, based on the "FAQ" as well as the common sense of shapes.
Lets say theoretically the world is flat. You cannot circumnavigate a plane (flat surface). Correct? And the 150' Ice Wall (God forbid it stops a plane with its trembling heights), would impede further travel.
However this is not true, this is false. You can go AROUND a sphere. Yes there's a pun in what I just said, deal with it, I'm not here to do any favors for anyone.
DO AT HOME EXERIMENT!
Get a globe, and a peice of paper. Set them side by side. The Globe represents, RE, the paper FE. Slide your finger along the globe. Select any one point and move the globe around sliding your finger around it until you come back to the point you've selected (circumnavigation). Do the same thing on a sheet of paper. Once your finger has slid of the piece of paper your journey ends.
So when you guys decide to finally man up and go on that expedition to the End of the World. You give me a call. Until then accept the world is round and please do not procreate.
But you can circumnavigate (the known) part of the earth, so your idea is shit.
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Okay 2nd test for those of you you who just dont get it:
Back to the paper, put a wall in the center of the paper you cannot go any further. CIRUCMNAVIGATION REQUIRES 360 degrees of travel. On a plane, you can only achieve 180. Circumnavigation is impossible.
Esplain how you can circle the Earth many times over without flying backwards?
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By traveling along the equator in a big circle always facing East?
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By traveling along the equator in a big circle always facing East?
What did you get a Masters in Stupidity at South Harmon Institute of Technology? Yes along the Equator, and I don't really give a flying Jew on a bicycle which way you go. Pick a direction and just head that way until you get to the same spot again. Use a GPS that doesn't work on a flat Earth to find your way back home.
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He was answering your question, dumbass. He put the question mark to emphasize the fact that it was an extremely stupid question. On the flat earth, east and west are clockwise and counterclockwise (or vice versa, I'm not sure) because your compass will always be pointing towards the North Pole, which happens to be at the center of the earth. So going due east or due west you're actually travelling in a circle around the North Pole, exactly like on a round earth.
I'm curious about in what way it is impossible to achieve "360 degrees of travel" on a plane.
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CIRUCMNAVIGATION REQUIRES 360 degrees of travel. On a plane, you can only achieve 180. Circumnavigation is impossible.
360 degrees is just a circle, you do know that right?
Second, circumnavigation is defined as:
1. to sail or fly around; make the circuit of by navigation: to circumnavigate the earth.
2. to go or maneuver around: to circumnavigate the heavy downtown traffic.
The 2nd one can still apply so please don't say it's impossible, that's incorrect.
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How come you're still here? :o
Don't take that the wrong way...I'm just surprised...
She was lying about leaving the whole time. She was feeling kind of down, nobody loves her, etc, so she wanted to do something that would force everybody else to fawn attention on her. It's kind of pathetic, really. ;D
Yeah.....
Jesus, you're an idiot (is that blasphemy?)
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He's blasting the Jews, therefore he's blasting Jesus. In my book that makes him a blasphemer and a century behind on western idealogy.
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Plus he's really stupid. Lets burn him Cash machine
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Plus he's really stupid. Lets burn him Cash machine
LOL
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How hard des a card fly out of my slot? Could I decapitate him?
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I reckon you could
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Okay 2nd test for those of you you who just dont get it:
Back to the paper, put a wall in the center of the paper you cannot go any further. CIRUCMNAVIGATION REQUIRES 360 degrees of travel. On a plane, you can only achieve 180. Circumnavigation is impossible.
Esplain how you can circle the Earth many times over without flying backwards?
Your second idea is shit.
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Right then. Because I mean, I'm as liberal as they come- if you want to be anti sematic or a neo nazi that's fine, just don't expect me to be quiet and not tell you why you're wrong.
Flame on
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SO why are you a skeptical hole in the wall?
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Hey everyone your idea of circumnavigation works great for east-west. What about North-South? Any explanation for that. Particularly with the time to travel across the antarctic to come out the other side.
Or would you rather keep being assholes to someone who can't quite get his point across. He doesn't care about east-west either because that's easy to explain. Can you explain north-south circumnavigation at all?
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Hey everyone your idea of circumnavigation works great for east-west. What about North-South? Any explanation for that. Particularly with the time to travel across the antarctic to come out the other side.
Or would you rather keep being assholes to someone who can't quite get his point across. He doesn't care about east-west either because that's easy to explain. Can you explain north-south circumnavigation at all?
Actually, as a REer, I disagree a little. With modern navigation, circumnavigation along the Equator would be impossible in FE, as the pilot and navigator would notice a need to turn to the north rather than keep a straight heading.
I believe that every FEer will say that you cannot circumnavigate over the South Pole as the South Pole doesn't exist. They will argue that anyone who claims to have done so must be one of the following: part of the conspiracy, fooled, or incompetent. As a rule whenever FE needs to claim conspiracy, and RE doesn't, to explain an observation, we consider it a victory for RE.
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Well said. I didn't think of that. I guess we shall see if they can explain in a way other than conspiracy or the like. Though I have a feeling you are probably right.
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Hey everyone your idea of circumnavigation works great for east-west. What about North-South? Any explanation for that. Particularly with the time to travel across the antarctic to come out the other side.
Or would you rather keep being assholes to someone who can't quite get his point across. He doesn't care about east-west either because that's easy to explain. Can you explain north-south circumnavigation at all?
Actually, as a REer, I disagree a little. With modern navigation, circumnavigation along the Equator would be impossible in FE, as the pilot and navigator would notice a need to turn to the north rather than keep a straight heading.
I disagree. I think it's probably more difficult to be able to tell when you're going straight than you give it credit for being.
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It is quite difficult to determine if you are going straight or turning without using instruments, when the turn is shallow or sustained. This has been the downfall of many a pilot.
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CIRUCMNAVIGATION REQUIRES 360 degrees of travel. On a plane, you can only achieve 180. Circumnavigation is impossible.
360 degrees is just a circle, you do know that right?
Second, circumnavigation is defined as:
1. to sail or fly around; make the circuit of by navigation: to circumnavigate the earth.
2. to go or maneuver around: to circumnavigate the heavy downtown traffic.
The 2nd one can still apply so please don't say it's impossible, that's incorrect.
Captain Grammar Nazi over here when did you become the Hilter Youth of Dictionary.com?
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Hey everyone your idea of circumnavigation works great for east-west. What about North-South? Any explanation for that. Particularly with the time to travel across the antarctic to come out the other side.
Or would you rather keep being assholes to someone who can't quite get his point across. He doesn't care about east-west either because that's easy to explain. Can you explain north-south circumnavigation at all?
Actually, as a REer, I disagree a little. With modern navigation, circumnavigation along the Equator would be impossible in FE, as the pilot and navigator would notice a need to turn to the north rather than keep a straight heading.
I disagree. I think it's probably more difficult to be able to tell when you're going straight than you give it credit for being.
I think you should read up on modern navigational instruments, like NG gyrocompass I referenced. It's very hard to steer the wrong heading with it.
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So anyone going to answer about north-south navigation then? or over the south pole?
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So anyone going to answer about north-south navigation then? or over the south pole?
The "answer" to that is that nobody (on these forums) has personally witnessed such a trip, and any other evidence could be fabricated. It's a common theme 'round these parts.
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The only answer I've ever heard about North-South circumnavigation is that people are simply going around the rim of the Earth but don't realise they're travelling tens of thousands of miles more than they should be. Other than that the question is categorically ignored.
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The only answer I've ever heard about North-South circumnavigation is that people are simply going around the rim of the Earth but don't realise they're travelling tens of thousands of miles more than they should be. Other than that the question is categorically ignored.
Well that just doesn't make sense. It would be ice underneath the entire way. You'd never cross the North pole. Are you sure someone actually argued this?
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I mean if you started at the North pole and wanted to curcumnavigate via the South you would have to fly directly south until you hit antarctica then follow the ice-wall all the way around back to the "top" and then travel back towards the North pole. And yes, as crazy as it sounds, someone did argue this believe it or not! It's basically the only way to do it in fact.
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::) hmm yeah okay jesus is right he made the world he knows whats up
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If the earth is flat why do toilets flush in different directions on other sides if the earth?
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I thought all toilets flushed in the same direction: Down the hole.
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If the earth is flat why do toilets flush in different directions on other sides if the earth?
Actually they don't. That's a myth. But, large weather systems do rotate in opposite directions on each side of the Equator. RE predicts this. FE doesn't explain this; however, the Tom Bishop (2007) variation makes a wild suggestion that it's a gear-like action that just happens to line up over the Equator.
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Wait your right I was thinking I saw it on tv but they proved it wrong. Also why does google earth make so much sense? Why is it that when you fly in a plane you can see the curvature of the earth?
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Am I the only one who always doesn't have a toilet that rotates the water any way?
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Captain Grammar Nazi over here when did you become the Hilter Youth of Dictionary.com?
After I graduated elementary school.
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Wait your right I was thinking I saw it on tv but they proved it wrong. Also why does google earth make so much sense? Why is it that when you fly in a plane you can see the curvature of the earth?
mikerocks... Please help all of us here. Please keep the threads on topic by asking your questions in the relevant threads. If you use the search feature, you will probably find that there is already a recent thread that you can participate in that will address your concerns.
Also, since you seem to be a REer, may I please ask you to read the RE Primer? Here's the link to the Word 2003 file: http://rapidshare.com/files/37194615/A_Primer_for_Round_Earthers_on_the_Flat_Earth_Theory_2003.doc.html (http://rapidshare.com/files/37194615/A_Primer_for_Round_Earthers_on_the_Flat_Earth_Theory_2003.doc.html)
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Easy, you follow a compass East or West, the needle points north-to the centre, as you go 'round the Earth the needle stays tracked on the North pole, you end up walking a circle. Exactly as you do on a theoretical RE
What the fuck? my compass sure as hell doesn't point towards the middle of europe which you're flat disk bullshit maps suggest. It points towards the north pole.
Also the only thing which can create a magnetic field strong enough to attract a compass is a molten iron core, which can only exist in spherical form due to the gravitational force required
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Easy, you follow a compass East or West, the needle points north-to the centre, as you go 'round the Earth the needle stays tracked on the North pole, you end up walking a circle. Exactly as you do on a theoretical RE
What the fuck? my compass sure as hell doesn't point towards the middle of europe which you're flat disk bullshit maps suggest. It points towards the north pole.
::)
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Compassess can be affected quite easily actually. And as far as I'm aware it doesn't point at Eurpe it points at the North Pole. Whicl in RE is at the top of the sphere. In Fe it's... the centre of the world.
Who didn't read the FAQ? SparteX didn't. Who's a silly billy? SparteX.
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Compassess can be affected quite easily actually. And as far as I'm aware it doesn't point at Eurpe it points at the North Pole. Whicl in RE is at the top of the sphere. In Fe it's... the centre of the world.
Who didn't read the FAQ? SparteX didn't. Who's a silly billy? SparteX.
EDIT: misread the map, never was good with maps, made up ones moreso.
Your theories and so called "proof" all conflict with each other, if this crap you lot dish out was supposed to even look real you could at lease conspire together and give something that doesn't fight your peers.
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according to you're FE maps the centre would be europe, Who's a silly billy? Skeptical ATM
What map would that be?
conspire together and give something that doesn't fight your piers
I hate it when I get into a fight with my pier. It hurts my hand when I punch it.
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Hey I think he FAQ is as stupid as you do. But it doesn't put the centre of the Eartth in Europe. Get your facts straight.
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The silliest billy of all is the one who seems to think "Skeptical ATM" is a FE proponent.
I'll give you a hint. He's skeptical.
And you're correct: there is no "universal FET" because they can't quite agree on anything except the flatness.
Regarding the Coriolis effect: it's a widespread misconception that it effects toilet flushes. The fact is, a toilet flush has too much pressure behind it (from the tank) to witness the relatively weak Coriolis effect.
Instead, please observe tropical storms and drains like sinks, bathtubs etc. It's still a valid argument, but just don't use toilets for it.
Regarding the center of the flat earth: Since the FEers can define the FE map however they want, I don't see why they would put the center in Europe. Care to link the map you're referencing? Every FE map I've seen is centered on the North Pole.
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according to you're FE maps the centre would be europe, Who's a silly billy? Skeptical ATM
What map would that be?
conspire together and give something that doesn't fight your piers
I hate it when I get into a fight with my pier. It hurts my hand when I punch it.
You might want to fix your grammar, if you are going to make fun of his grammar.
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Says the guy with the grammar knowledge of a first grader.
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Can't you two give it a fucking rest for once?
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Says the guy with the grammar knowledge of a first grader.
I know enough to know that the last "it" referred to your hand, instead of "pier" like you wanted it to mean.
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But he makes it so easy to make fun of him!
I know, I need to be the bigger person...
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Be strong Engy Baby
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Can't you two give it a fucking rest for once?
Maybe one day, when theengineer admits mass bends spacetime, thus making a flat earth impossible.
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I'm a Flat Earther now? Hehe, when will NASA agent be taking me down? I want to have streamers up.
And hese aren't my pieces of proof and evidence. I just systematically move through bits of proof, trying to understand why they might work. And if they're wrong I'll tell people.
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Shut the fuck up both of you!
Edit: not directed at you cash machine, you can keep talking, I like you
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Phew. For a minute I thought I was gonna have to hire invisible NASA agents to kill you and replace you with a clone.
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Nooo not again!
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Is that you saying that, or is it a clone saying what you would say if it was you?
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I've been cloned plenty of times. You know who killed JFK? I don't, but I killed some gigolo in New York a year later.
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My clone refuses to comment
Except to say that Cash machine is a laugh
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Do you think Cash Machine is a Link machine, or one of those gay ones that charge you?
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Though it was the Link ones that charge you. I hate gay machines like that.
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I'm A+L, so I work with Link. Although to be honest they chafe when you put them on in the morning, I like the good old fashioned Barney costume .
By the way, I am Barney.
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Damn A&L they always charge me.
Hello Barney
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Anybody ever watch Joecartoon? There was a funny as hell cartoon about elvis and barney.
"Elvis is alive. He is Barney the Purple Dinosaur. He is the Pied Piper that leads our children into the wages of sin and eternal damnation."
Then the lemming that is speaking jumps off the cliff and lands in a thornbush .
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Nope, never watched Joecartoon.
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'Bite me'
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT
'Who's your daddy?'
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I miss the old fashioned cash machines which didn't talk