Earth Isn't Flat 2 (Proof Included)

Allright since some of you are still under the brainwashed cult assumtion the Earth is flat, would one of your brainiacs wanna tell me how Circumnavigation works? If the Earth was indeed flat, (which it is is not), then theoretically it would not be possible, there would only be a point A, and point B. Cirumnavigation has been documented MULTIPLE TIMES. Enough times tha you cannot possibly dismiss it as a "conspiracry." This whole, "FE" bs, this is a conspiracy. Might I add that current global communication systems would be impossible without low-orbit and high-orbit Satelites. Would someone please would like to explain to me how thing's like Satelite Television and things of that nature work if sustained space flight is impossible? Like I said to deny the existance of sustained space orbit essentially means you don't belive in physics. (Proven the world over in high school physics classes the world over)

I am begining to believe that you FE Belivers were huffing paint instead of paying attention in physics.

Easy, you follow a compass East or West, the needle points north-to the centre, as you go 'round the Earth the needle stays tracked on the North pole, you end up walking a circle. Exactly as you do on a theoretical RE

For all you people that are smart enough to say an FE is so outlandish, you really do have a hard time reading and comprehending the simple logic contained in the FAQ. It's simply amazing.

For all you people that are smart enough to say an FE is so outlandish, you really do have a hard time reading and comprehending the simple logic contained in the FAQ. It's simply amazing.

Or do as i do and trawl through older threads... either way yields you results

For all you people that are smart enough to say an FE is so outlandish, you really do have a hard time reading and comprehending the simple logic contained in the FAQ. It's simply amazing.

I would if the FAQ didnt constantly contradicting itself. And I'm not asking the FAQ i'm asking you all. I'm asking for a LIVE response because I think the FAQ is total shite.

I freaking did answer your ya blind twat!

Easy, you follow a compass East or West, the needle points north-to the centre, as you go 'round the Earth the needle stays tracked on the North pole, you end up walking a circle. Exactly as you do on a theoretical RE

wanna tell me how Circumnavigation works? If the Earth was indeed flat, (which it is is not), then theoretically it would not be possible

Wrong...look up the word genius. An FE doesn't dismiss the word completely.

to deny the existance of sustained space orbit essentially means you don't belive in physics.

I'm pretty sure physics existed a considerable amount of time before Man claimed they went into space, so I'm not exactly sure why you'd use a clearly inaccurate statement like that.

You should spend more time focusing on learning how to spell and use logic, instead of utilizing poor insults over the internet.

lol, so instead of trying to make a counter point your going to insult my spelling abilities?

Also:

"A: There is a vast ice wall that keeps the water where it is. The ice wall is roughly 150ft high. This also explains why you can find a vast plane of ice when you travel south.

Antarctica as a continent does not exist.

Q: "How does global warming affect the ice wall?"

A1: The Ice Wall is really a mountain range.  It just happens to be covered in ice and snow."

Which is it, an ice wall or a mountain range?  And if its only 150ft then I'd say its no where near large enough to stop any kind of cloud cover nor is it large enough to impede any kind of travel, nor is it large enough to do anything really. How did you come to the conclusion of 150'? K2 is over 23,000' that impede's travel. And 150' is nothing. I just can't even think of words to describe how that conclusion insults intelligent thought. I have officially lost all faith in humanity with that FAQ. Literally lost it. You all deserve to be destroyed by a large comet. Really like absolutely whiped off the face of the universe and smeared across the galaxy. I'd say you better start believing in NASA otherwise you all are FUBAR.

lol, so instead of trying to make a counter point your going to insult my spelling abilities?

Well, I made points, but you didn't offer any explanation to them in this post unfortunately. And yes, I would insult your poor spelling, because if you're so smart as to enlighten the FE'ers on this forum, which I'm not...how smart can you really be?

Which is it, an ice wall or a mountain range?  And if its only 150ft then I'd say its no where near large enough to stop any kind of cloud cover nor is it large enough to impede any kind of travel, nor is it large enough to do anything really. How did you come to the conclusion of 150'? K2 is over 23,000' that impede's travel. And 150' is nothing. I just can't even think of words to describe how that conclusion insults intelligent thought. I have officially lost all faith in humanity with that FAQ. Literally lost it. You all deserve to be destroyed by a large comet. Really like absolutely whiped off the face of the universe and smeared across the galaxy. I'd say you better start believing in NASA otherwise you all are FUBAR.

I can't answer those questions, because I didn't make the FAQ or the theory. As for believing in NASA, no one in FES has ever denied its existence.

Quote from: Jesus89 on June 09, 2007, 06:26:48 AM

lol, so instead of trying to make a counter point your going to insult my spelling abilities?

Well, I made points, but you didn't offer any explanation to them in this post unfortunately. And yes, I would insult your poor spelling, because if you're so smart as to enlighten the FE'ers on this forum, which I'm not...how smart can you really be?

Quote from: Jesus89 on June 09, 2007, 06:26:48 AM

Which is it, an ice wall or a mountain range?  And if its only 150ft then I'd say its no where near large enough to stop any kind of cloud cover nor is it large enough to impede any kind of travel, nor is it large enough to do anything really. How did you come to the conclusion of 150'? K2 is over 23,000' that impede's travel. And 150' is nothing. I just can't even think of words to describe how that conclusion insults intelligent thought. I have officially lost all faith in humanity with that FAQ. Literally lost it. You all deserve to be destroyed by a large comet. Really like absolutely whiped off the face of the universe and smeared across the galaxy. I'd say you better start believing in NASA otherwise you all are FUBAR.

I can't answer those questions, because I didn't make the FAQ or the theory. As for believing in NASA, no one in FES has ever denied its existence.

NASA: I believe they discounted NASA as one large conspiracy, along with every space program on the globle (the spherical thing we live on.)

Easy, you follow a compass East or West, the needle points north-to the centre, as you go 'round the Earth the needle stays tracked on the North pole, you end up walking a circle. Exactly as you do on a theoretical RE

Yes because when a plane like the SR-71 circumnavigates the globe it needs a compass -_- You are ridiculous sir. Minus another 50 points to Griffindor.

NASA: I believe they discounted NASA as one large conspiracy, along with every space program on the globle (the spherical thing we live on.)

NASA as an organization exists, as no FE'er would deny. What they actually do is subject to their (FE'er's) skepticism. So in short, NASA and space programs from a few of the world's countries would be in on this conspiracy, yes.

I thought you weren't an FE believer? You seem to be pro consipracy. Which inteprets to me that you'd entertain the thought of a Flat Earth, which in that case you are just as bad as they are.

I thought you weren't an FE believer? You seem to be pro consipracy. Which inteprets to me that you'd entertain the thought of a Flat Earth, which in that case you are just as bad as they are.

I don't believe in an FE. Until they can prove with considerable evidence that the Earth is flat, then I'll have to stay with what is assumed. I'm not naive enough to think it isn't a possibility though. It's certainly not plausible.

Easy, you follow a compass East or West, the needle points north-to the centre, as you go 'round the Earth the needle stays tracked on the North pole, you end up walking a circle. Exactly as you do on a theoretical RE

Okay, explain how that can happen when navigating with a gyrocompass.

lol yes please. Or jee pee ess

"Over geological timescales, the orientation of Earth's magnetic field (and that of other planets) can flip over, so that magnetic north becomes magnetic south and vice versa – an event known as a geomagnetic reversal. The Earth's magnetic field has done this repeatedly throughout history. It is thought that reversals occur when the circulation of liquid nickel/iron in the Earth's outer core is disrupted and then reestablishes itself in the opposite direction. It is not known what causes these disruptions."

That sounds cool.

Okay, explain how that can happen when navigating with a gyrocompass.

Does anyone know the distance between true north and that of the magnetic north?

For all you people that are smart enough to say an FE is so outlandish, you really do have a hard time reading and comprehending the simple logic contained in the FAQ. It's simply amazing.

You're silly.

But you kind of piss me off sometimes.

It's like you come on these forums to prove everything wrong but nothing right.

I guess I can't criticize that, but it annoys me.

Allright since some of you are still under the brainwashed cult assumtion the Earth is flat, would one of your brainiacs wanna tell me how Circumnavigation works? If the Earth was indeed flat, (which it is is not), then theoretically it would not be possible, there would only be a point A, and point B. Cirumnavigation has been documented MULTIPLE TIMES. Enough times tha you cannot possibly dismiss it as a "conspiracry." This whole, "FE" bs, this is a conspiracy. Might I add that current global communication systems would be impossible without low-orbit and high-orbit Satelites. Would someone please would like to explain to me how thing's like Satelite Television and things of that nature work if sustained space flight is impossible? Like I said to deny the existance of sustained space orbit essentially means you don't belive in physics. (Proven the world over in high school physics classes the world over)

I am begining to believe that you FE Belivers were huffing paint instead of paying attention in physics.

Where's the proof?

Quote from: TSEE on June 09, 2007, 05:57:38 AM

Easy, you follow a compass East or West, the needle points north-to the centre, as you go 'round the Earth the needle stays tracked on the North pole, you end up walking a circle. Exactly as you do on a theoretical RE

Okay, explain how that can happen when navigating with a gyrocompass.

Didn't we go through this already?

Quote from: Gulliver on June 09, 2007, 07:10:17 AM

Quote from: TSEE on June 09, 2007, 05:57:38 AM

Easy, you follow a compass East or West, the needle points north-to the centre, as you go 'round the Earth the needle stays tracked on the North pole, you end up walking a circle. Exactly as you do on a theoretical RE

Okay, explain how that can happen when navigating with a gyrocompass.

Didn't we go through this already?

Nope you bowed out of the challenge until you had more time. You've claimed the product labeled "Gyro Compass" wasn't a gyrocompass. You claimed without reference that all gyrocompasses must be realigned as often as every fifteen minutes. We maintain the gyrocompasses work very well to maintain true headings.

The product you passed off as a gyrocompass contained no gyros.  It was an inertial navigation system.  If you had bothered to read the manual, you would have noticed this.

Any aviation manual will inform you of the frequency of realignment of the gyrocompass.

Look Jesus, the fact is that , if the Earth is flat, the Centre of the Earth is the North Pole. A compass points at the North pole, so is constantly pointing towards the centre of the disc.

Consequently, if you go, say, East, you are going at a right angle to North, as you look at a compass. However, as soon as you go a small distance you will have moved to a different point and North will be in a different place. You keep going East, but to do this you have to adjust your direction. In order to do this, you have to go in a circle.

Thats how these guys justify their arguements. Unfortunately for them, there are other ways of travelling in a straight line.

The product you passed off as a gyrocompass contained no gyros.  It was an inertial navigation system.  If you had bothered to read the manual, you would have noticed this.

Any aviation manual will inform you of the frequency of realignment of the gyrocompass.

I see. You know more than the manufacturer. Oh, and thanks for another useless non-referenced hyperbole. I bet you I can find an aviation manual from WWI, from before Sperry invented the gyrocompass, that won't inform me of the frequency of realignment of the gyrocompass.

Don't be petty. Perhaps he meant any modern mannual?

For all you people that are smart enough to say an FE is so outlandish, you really do have a hard time reading and comprehending the simple logic contained in the FAQ. It's simply amazing.

There is little logic in FAQ

Don't be petty. Perhaps he meant any modern mannual?

He's the word gamer, not me.

I see. You know more than the manufacturer. Oh, and thanks for another useless non-referenced hyperbole. I bet you I can find an aviation manual from WWI, from before Sperry invented the gyrocompass, that won't inform me of the frequency of realignment of the gyrocompass.

The SSC200 detects the direction of the earth’s magnetic field using solid state
magnetometers and indicates the vessel heading relative to magnetic north. In addition, the
SSC200 incorporates solid state accelerometers and a solid state angular rate sensor for
indicating the vessel’s attitude (pitch and roll) and rate of turn.

The Maretron SSC200 Solid State Compass has the following features.
• NMEA 2000® and NMEA 0183 Interfaces
• Solid State Magnetometers for Indicating the Vessel’s Heading
• Solid State Accelerometers for Indicating the Vessel’s Attitude (Pitch and Roll)
• Solid State Angular Rate Sensor for Indicating the Vessel’s Rate of Turn
• Advanced Kalman Filtering for Stable and Accurate Output During Dynamic Conditions
• Fast Response Time Stabilizes Auto-Pilot Systems
• Calibration for Compensating Magnetic Deviation Caused by Hard and Soft Iron Effects
• Installation-Offset Capability for Aligning the Compass to the Vessel
• Programmable Variation
• Waterproof Enclosure and Cable System

That indicates an inertial navigation system.

For the realignment:

The heading indicator (or HI) is an instrument used in an aircraft to inform the pilot of his heading. It is sometimes referred to by its older name, the directional gyro, or (UK usage) direction indicator or DI. The primary means of establishing heading in most small aircraft is the magnetic compass, but that suffers from errors created by the 'dip' or downward slope of the earth's magnetic field. Dip error causes the magnetic compass to read incorrectly whenever the aircraft is in a bank, or during acceleration, making it difficult to use in any flight condition other than perfectly straight and level. To remedy this, the pilot will typically maneuver the airplane with reference to the heading indicator, as the gyroscopic heading indicator is unaffected by dip and acceleration errors. The pilot will periodically reset the HI to the heading shown on the magnetic compass.

From Wiki's entry on gyrocompasses:

The following description refers to the gyrocompasses used on ships. Aircraft also use gyrocompasses, but use different, faster means to counter the precession of the compass. One of those means is to use a magnetic compass to continually adjust the gyrocompass. Also, some gyrocompasses are driven by compressed air instead of electricity.

You're silly.

But you kind of piss me off sometimes.

It's like you come on these forums to prove everything wrong but nothing right.

I guess I can't criticize that, but it annoys me.

I'm sorry I annoy you.

I don't try to prove EVERYTHING wrong, but if I see someone making a dumb statement, and foregoing logic, I'm going to bug them about it. You can't argue or get a point across when you can't communicate effectively, and they shouldn't be using common sense or their preconceived notions to do the battles for them. They just get lazy.

And, I wouldn't be able to prove everything right. While I have about 5GB of math/physics books, there's no way I'm going to sit and learn all this stuff to start proving stuff for an RE or FE. I really don't care what shape the Earth is. I'm only interested in the conventions of debating and helping people to use their brains, and to stop them from being stupid. If I help RE'ers make a good point, or I help an FE'er make something more clear, I'll be satisfied.

When I make a mistake, please criticize me! No one should be spared.

And again, no one answered my question. Convenient.

Does anyone know the distance between true north and that of the magnetic north?

Yes, though the magnetic pole does move around a little bit. Please reference: http://gsc.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/nmp/northpole_e.php
The FE distance from 90^oN and to the 2005 location was 505 miles. Google Earth can also answer your question if you pining to know the FE distance.