The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: Jesus Reborn on April 10, 2007, 07:00:26 PM
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Where does China fit into the conspiracy? They have a space program. They've sent manned missions into space as well as plenty of satellites.
Let's face it. I just shut your stupid conspiracy up. Time to end this stupid society.
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Yeah, Russia has a space program too. Is there some point you are trying to make?
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Yeah, Russia has a space program too. Is there some point you are trying to make?
Russia is supposedly part of the Conspiracy. No FE'er has ever mentioned China. End result of this post? Conspiracy debunked.
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To add to the conspiracy debunking:
Countries capable of satellite launching
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite#Launch_capable_countries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite#Launch_capable_countries)
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When a new country is ready to set foot in space the Conspiracy steps in to sell them technologies under the condition that it administrates its space program.
For instance, when United Kingdom wanted into space, the Conspiracy gave them the necessary rocket and satellite technology developed in the Cold War under the friendly name of NASA.
When Communist China wanted into space the Conspiracy gave them the multi-trilllion dollar technology under the friendly name of the Russian Space Agency.
By doing this the Conspiracy is able to establish itself in multiple countries, multiplying its revenue by an order of magnitude and sucking each respective nation dry with its fiction.
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Abject pathology of bourbon.
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And if the Conspiracy misses or is unable to procure a foothold in a country's space program, it is absolutely okay. There is no risk involved.
No one is going to believe Joe Scientist from Brazil who claims that the world is flat. No respectable media outlet would report such a thing. It would barely even make a blip in the tabloids.
It's the perfect scheme, in retrospect.
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So perfect, you and your community have doubts on it? Shouldn't that be imperfect?
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Deleted another post, eh tommy boy?
You really are beautiful. Still failing though.
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So perfect, you and your community have doubts on it? Shouldn't that be imperfect?
We know the Conspiracy exists from the following pieces of evidence:
- Numerous NASA leaks and photographic evidence from detractors (Samuel Shenton).
- Fired NASA employees tend to join the Flat Earth Society.
- Every Round Earth picture on NASA's website has Photoshop headers.
- A piece of foam can cause a multi-billion dollar space shuttle to be destroyed.
- NASA contrives the results of its mars missions (http://www.xenotechresearch.com/skyfraud.htm) before launch.
- NASA deliberately edits its own images (http://www.xenotechresearch.com/NASAHACK.htm) and fakes data loss.
- NASA deliberately released low resolution versions of their mars imaging (http://www.marsnews.com/news/20021108-cydonia2images.html) to encourage public hype about the Cydonia Menasae.
- The list goes on and on, but I'll stop here for now.
In addition, no amount of swindled billions could cover up these simple peer-reviewed experiments anyone can cheaply perform at home to demonstrate a Flat Earth:
Experiment 1 (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za06.htm)
Experiment 2 (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za07.htm)
Experiment 3 (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za08.htm)
Experiment 4 (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za09.htm)
Experiment 5 (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za10.htm)
Experiment 6 (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za11.htm)
Experiment 7 (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za12.htm)
Experiment 8 (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za13.htm)
Experiment 9 (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za14.htm)
Experiment 10 (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za15.htm)
Experiment 11 (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za16.htm)
Experiment 12 (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za17.htm)
Experiment 13 (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za18.htm)
Experiment 14 (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za19.htm)
Experiment 15 (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za20.htm)
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Tom, you are comical! The U.S would NEVER give technology that could let other countries attack them. You're just being naive.
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Tom, you are comical! The U.S would NEVER give technology that could let other countries attack them. You're just being naive.
Which is why the U.S. only gives countries advanced technology under the condition of full administrative oversight.
For example, the U.S. has already given Nuclear Reactors to many nations of the Earth under the condition of oversight and periodical collection of wasted plutonium.
The U.S. would lease you a Nuclear Reactor for your home if you paid them enough.
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Tom, you are comical! The U.S would NEVER give technology that could let other countries attack them. You're just being naive.
Which is why the U.S. only gives countries advanced technology under the condition of full administrative oversight.
For example, the U.S. has already given Nuclear Reactors to many nations of the Earth under the condition of oversight and periodical collection of wasted plutonium.
The U.S. would lease you a Nuclear Reactor for your home if you paid them enough.
Is life scary, Tom? Being that naive, cynical, and paranoid? :D :D
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When a new country is ready to set foot in space the Conspiracy steps in to sell them technologies under the condition that it administrates its space program.
For instance, when United Kingdom wanted into space, the Conspiracy gave them the necessary rocket and satellite technology developed in the Cold War under the friendly name of NASA.
When Communist China wanted into space the Conspiracy gave them the multi-trilllion dollar technology under the friendly name of the Russian Space Agency.
By doing this the Conspiracy is able to establish itself in multiple countries, multiplying its revenue by an order of magnitude and sucking each respective nation dry with its fiction.
Source, please.
Oh, you're pulling shit out of your ass again? Gotcha ::)
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Source, please.
United States leases Nuclear Technology (http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&y=2006&m=February&x=20060208173631berehellek0.9125177)
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You know we lease nuclear technology so they dont build nuclear bombs right?
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So why not lease rocket technology so other countries couldn't build Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles?
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They could. But then as you said they could lease rocket technology, as in we went into space as we have the technology.
And BTW do you really think NASA builds all there rockets and other space iteams?
- NASA contrives the results of its mars missions before launch.
dihydrogen monoxide is bad for you too according to websites like this one.
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This is one of those arguments that ties into common sense being butt fucked into oblivion.
For an example, the "need for interrogation of enemy combatants".
A justification given is that "they know where the weapons of mass destruction are hiding."
First of all, to go back into the main topic, that ties into what I said above:
Rogue states, shadowy cabals, and all that hoopla, do not NEED our science.
What I mean is, these people who are accused of "being in the conspiracy", in point of fact, could make whatever tech they need, ON THEIR OWN, given time, tennacity, and budget. Budget itself comes in MANY forms.
I find it patently ridiculous that people assume the earth is flat and a conspiracy is in effect, by that sheer fact alone. Einsteins work is not a secret. The Russians built their myriad war machines using it. Tesla and his work is no longer in his head. "Genie out of the bottle" kids.
That argument is thus moot.
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Exactly. We aren't living in the earlier parts of the 20th century, where technology of this sort is still in the early years. We're in the 21st century people. There are tech savvy countries all over the world. To think America and Russia are the only ones who can give out this power is just being ignorant.
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Tom, you are comical! The U.S would NEVER give technology that could let other countries attack them. You're just being naive.
Know anything about the middle east?
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Tom, you are comical! The U.S would NEVER give technology that could let other countries attack them. You're just being naive.
Know anything about the middle east?
Yes. But, please elaborate. Explain the technologies, besides their AK47's and rocket launchers.
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Tom, you are comical! The U.S would NEVER give technology that could let other countries attack them. You're just being naive.
Know anything about the middle east?
Do you? And, on a finer line, what does that have to do with anything at all?
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Tom, you are comical! The U.S would NEVER give technology that could let other countries attack them. You're just being naive.
Know anything about the middle east?
Yes. But, please elaborate. Explain the technologies, besides their AK47's and rocket launchers.
Nope, I was just referencing that the US has in fact given out technologies to those that would later oppose us.
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Which doesn't support your other remarks. Again, dodging.
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Tom, you are comical! The U.S would NEVER give technology that could let other countries attack them. You're just being naive.
Know anything about the middle east?
Yes. But, please elaborate. Explain the technologies, besides their AK47's and rocket launchers.
Nope, I was just referencing that the US has in fact given out technologies to those that would later oppose us.
Bingo. Ak47s and rocket launchers are in a completely different ball park than aerospace engineering. But, it's just another way you simple minded folk over look things.
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So, my point is in direct opposition to what you were saying, you validate its correctness, and I'm the one being simple-minded?
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So, my point is in direct opposition to what you were saying, you validate its correctness, and I'm the one being simple-minded?
Fine, if you can attack the U.S from the middle east using an AK47 and/or a simple rocket launcher, than I'll say I was wrong. Until then, I am sticking to what I said.
Basic hand-held weapons aren't "technology". It's not as if the middle east had never seen a gun before, so they aren't introducing new technology. Huge difference. Once again, you can't comprehend that.
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So, my point is in direct opposition to what you were saying, you validate its correctness, and I'm the one being simple-minded?
Fine, if you can attack the U.S from the middle east using an AK47 and/or a simple rocket launcher, than I'll say I was wrong. Until then, I am sticking to what I said.
Basic hand-held weapons aren't "technology". It's not as if the middle east had never seen a gun before, so they aren't introducing new technology. Huge difference. Once again, you can't comprehend that.
So you're saying the United States has not suffered from giving weapons to other nations, and in addition those weapons contain no technologies? Wow, forget the shape of the earth, we may need to take a time-out and explain some basics here.
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So, my point is in direct opposition to what you were saying, you validate its correctness, and I'm the one being simple-minded?
Fine, if you can attack the U.S from the middle east using an AK47 and/or a simple rocket launcher, than I'll say I was wrong. Until then, I am sticking to what I said.
Basic hand-held weapons aren't "technology". It's not as if the middle east had never seen a gun before, so they aren't introducing new technology. Huge difference. Once again, you can't comprehend that.
So you're saying the United States has not suffered from giving weapons to other nations, and in addition those weapons contain no technologies? Wow, forget the shape of the earth, we may need to take a time-out and explain some basics here.
I never said anything about attacking U.S soldiers. I said the U.S, the actual country of the U.S. And as for technologies, I said "new". Understand the word? The middle east wasn't just a bunch of savages like your media tells you they are.
Open your eyes to the real world and stop warping words just so you can create a debate out of nothing. This is, essentially, what this whole forum is about. It's a place where people like yourself, who have nothing of a life (I admit, I have no life right now, exams, so I come here during my study breaks) and want to do nothing by try to prove to the world you are actually right, when the rest of the world laughs at you. You then, take this into thought as you being the savior (God said: You'll be ridiculed) of our planet and when you 'prove' everyone wrong, you'll be a hero to them, instead of the loser you were your whole life. I don't condone people picking on helpless people, but you are no longer helpless, therefore, you deserve any attack that is thrown your way.
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So, my point is in direct opposition to what you were saying, you validate its correctness, and I'm the one being simple-minded?
Fine, if you can attack the U.S from the middle east using an AK47 and/or a simple rocket launcher, than I'll say I was wrong. Until then, I am sticking to what I said.
Basic hand-held weapons aren't "technology". It's not as if the middle east had never seen a gun before, so they aren't introducing new technology. Huge difference. Once again, you can't comprehend that.
So you're saying the United States has not suffered from giving weapons to other nations, and in addition those weapons contain no technologies? Wow, forget the shape of the earth, we may need to take a time-out and explain some basics here.
I never said anything about attacking U.S soldiers. I said the U.S, the actual country of the U.S. And as for technologies, I said "new". Understand the word? The middle east wasn't just a bunch of savages like your media tells you they are.
Open your eyes to the real world and stop warping words just so you can create a debate out of nothing. This is, essentially, what this whole forum is about. It's a place where people like yourself, who have nothing of a life (I admit, I have no life right now, exams, so I come here during my study breaks) and want to do nothing by try to prove to the world you are actually right, when the rest of the world laughs at you. You then, take this into thought as you being the savior (God said: You'll be ridiculed) of our planet and when you 'prove' everyone wrong, you'll be a hero to them, instead of the loser you were your whole life. I don't condone people picking on helpless people, but you are no longer helpless, therefore, you deserve any attack that is thrown your way.
One of the highest-end technology centers on planet earth is in Iran, and is run by Intel, and Cisco. I know this because I have worked in the building.
But the Middle East is 450 years behind all us Bob and Tom folk ::)
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So, my point is in direct opposition to what you were saying, you validate its correctness, and I'm the one being simple-minded?
Fine, if you can attack the U.S from the middle east using an AK47 and/or a simple rocket launcher, than I'll say I was wrong. Until then, I am sticking to what I said.
Basic hand-held weapons aren't "technology". It's not as if the middle east had never seen a gun before, so they aren't introducing new technology. Huge difference. Once again, you can't comprehend that.
So you're saying the United States has not suffered from giving weapons to other nations, and in addition those weapons contain no technologies? Wow, forget the shape of the earth, we may need to take a time-out and explain some basics here.
I never said anything about attacking U.S soldiers. I said the U.S, the actual country of the U.S. And as for technologies, I said "new". Understand the word? The middle east wasn't just a bunch of savages like your media tells you they are.
Open your eyes to the real world and stop warping words just so you can create a debate out of nothing. This is, essentially, what this whole forum is about. It's a place where people like yourself, who have nothing of a life (I admit, I have no life right now, exams, so I come here during my study breaks) and want to do nothing by try to prove to the world you are actually right, when the rest of the world laughs at you. You then, take this into thought as you being the savior (God said: You'll be ridiculed) of our planet and when you 'prove' everyone wrong, you'll be a hero to them, instead of the loser you were your whole life. I don't condone people picking on helpless people, but you are no longer helpless, therefore, you deserve any attack that is thrown your way.
One of the highest-end technology centers on planet earth is in Iran, and is run by Intel, and Cisco. I know this because I have worked in the building.
But the Middle East is 450 years behind all us Bob and Tom folk ::)
Offshore operations don't warp Iran to the present day. Otherwise, you could contend that the United States is technologically challenged by nearly every country in the world.
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So, my point is in direct opposition to what you were saying, you validate its correctness, and I'm the one being simple-minded?
Fine, if you can attack the U.S from the middle east using an AK47 and/or a simple rocket launcher, than I'll say I was wrong. Until then, I am sticking to what I said.
Basic hand-held weapons aren't "technology". It's not as if the middle east had never seen a gun before, so they aren't introducing new technology. Huge difference. Once again, you can't comprehend that.
So you're saying the United States has not suffered from giving weapons to other nations, and in addition those weapons contain no technologies? Wow, forget the shape of the earth, we may need to take a time-out and explain some basics here.
I never said anything about attacking U.S soldiers. I said the U.S, the actual country of the U.S. And as for technologies, I said "new". Understand the word? The middle east wasn't just a bunch of savages like your media tells you they are.
Open your eyes to the real world and stop warping words just so you can create a debate out of nothing. This is, essentially, what this whole forum is about. It's a place where people like yourself, who have nothing of a life (I admit, I have no life right now, exams, so I come here during my study breaks) and want to do nothing by try to prove to the world you are actually right, when the rest of the world laughs at you. You then, take this into thought as you being the savior (God said: You'll be ridiculed) of our planet and when you 'prove' everyone wrong, you'll be a hero to them, instead of the loser you were your whole life. I don't condone people picking on helpless people, but you are no longer helpless, therefore, you deserve any attack that is thrown your way.
One of the highest-end technology centers on planet earth is in Iran, and is run by Intel, and Cisco. I know this because I have worked in the building.
But the Middle East is 450 years behind all us Bob and Tom folk ::)
Offshore operations don't warp Iran to the present day. Otherwise, you could contend that the United States is technologically challenged by nearly every country in the world.
Actually a fine point. Unfortunately, you missed mine. Intel and corporations like it, do not "offshore" where the country in question is not technologically viable to sustain their operations. It is well researched before deployment. Many in my nation have this angry idea about outsourcing, but fail to realize that many of the smartest minds in the fields we all take for granted spring from such places. The problem is that the American Media have perpetuated the "American Dynastic" myth for so many generations, it is incomprehensible, even unthinkable, to many Americans that somewhere else has our technological might. China is a prime example. We decry them as commies, and all that, but their tech is terrifying. Iran is older than China. Technologically speaking, Iran is behind China, but China doesn't NEED American Tech. It has it's own nucleus.
It is a sad fact that what you said at the conclusion of your post, is a reality that is becoming evermore apparent by the day.
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I disagree. I think it was done for business reasons, not technological reasons. But, I am not familiar with what they do in that plant.
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So, my point is in direct opposition to what you were saying, you validate its correctness, and I'm the one being simple-minded?
Fine, if you can attack the U.S from the middle east using an AK47 and/or a simple rocket launcher, than I'll say I was wrong. Until then, I am sticking to what I said.
Basic hand-held weapons aren't "technology". It's not as if the middle east had never seen a gun before, so they aren't introducing new technology. Huge difference. Once again, you can't comprehend that.
So you're saying the United States has not suffered from giving weapons to other nations, and in addition those weapons contain no technologies? Wow, forget the shape of the earth, we may need to take a time-out and explain some basics here.
I never said anything about attacking U.S soldiers. I said the U.S, the actual country of the U.S. And as for technologies, I said "new". Understand the word? The middle east wasn't just a bunch of savages like your media tells you they are.
Open your eyes to the real world and stop warping words just so you can create a debate out of nothing. This is, essentially, what this whole forum is about. It's a place where people like yourself, who have nothing of a life (I admit, I have no life right now, exams, so I come here during my study breaks) and want to do nothing by try to prove to the world you are actually right, when the rest of the world laughs at you. You then, take this into thought as you being the savior (God said: You'll be ridiculed) of our planet and when you 'prove' everyone wrong, you'll be a hero to them, instead of the loser you were your whole life. I don't condone people picking on helpless people, but you are no longer helpless, therefore, you deserve any attack that is thrown your way.
One of the highest-end technology centers on planet earth is in Iran, and is run by Intel, and Cisco. I know this because I have worked in the building.
But the Middle East is 450 years behind all us Bob and Tom folk ::)
Offshore operations don't warp Iran to the present day. Otherwise, you could contend that the United States is technologically challenged by nearly every country in the world.
Actually a fine point. Unfortunately, you missed mine. Intel and corporations like it, do not "offshore" where the country in question is not technologically viable to sustain their operations. It is well researched before deployment. Many in my nation have this angry idea about outsourcing, but fail to realize that many of the smartest minds in the fields we all take for granted spring from such places. The problem is that the American Media have perpetuated the "American Dynastic" myth for so many generations, it is incomprehensible, even unthinkable, to many Americans that somewhere else has our technological might. China is a prime example. We decry them as commies, and all that, but their tech is terrifying. Iran is older than China. Technologically speaking, Iran is behind China, but China doesn't NEED American Tech. It has it's own nucleus.
It is a sad fact that what you said at the conclusion of your post, is a reality that is becoming evermore apparent by the day.
Exactly. China (and Japan is getting there, too) is actually steps ahead of any other country in technology.
Take automotives for example... America only thinks they are ahead, when in reality, they are fighting for their life to stay in business.
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China is by no means ahead of the United States. Perhaps one day, thanks to their growing economy. There is not one technology anyone in the entire world possesses that is not available to the U.S. This is not the case for China.
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I disagree. I think it was done for business reasons, not technological reasons. But, I am not familiar with what they do in that plant.
That is a valid reason, indeed. But, again, it was based on the tech-side of that aforementioned business model. INTEL Does not only make CPU products. They are also one of the biggest, if not THE biggest, R&D firms for the IT industry, and they simply cannot sustain an overseas oepration with people "merely placing chips on the conveyor for $1 an hour". It is far more complicated than that.
For a local (American) example, I will offer up Texas Instruments, as a viable example of this behavior. They make MANY things besides chips. A person has to know a large sum more than just "how to enter the fab, de-con, and sit at the table with the trays of chips. Some departments require Class-C security clearance, for ordnance dev, etc.
No company that wants to sustain itself would build such enterprises in a land where the average person is a highschool-dropout equivalent.
In Japan, as was mentioned a minute ago in another post, Technology borders on religious ZEAL to those people. They prize tech achievement above all else. This is a trend that has only heightened with the advent of the net, and access to thought schools outside the mainstream.
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China is by no means ahead of the United States. Perhaps one day, thanks to their growing economy. There is not one technology anyone in the entire world possesses that is not available to the U.S. This is not the case for China.
Norway does. China, in fact does. Germany, hands down the largest clusterfuck of minds on the planet, from all branches of human study. Those guys may be chagrined from WWII, but they have their Science nailed tight.
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(Without any evidence) I would think the factory in Iran is just to pay the employee less. I doubt it is an R&D facility, or a combination of the two. Please tell me if this is not the case.
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China is by no means ahead of the United States. Perhaps one day, thanks to their growing economy. There is not one technology anyone in the entire world possesses that is not available to the U.S. This is not the case for China.
Norway does. China, in fact does. Germany, hands down the largest clusterfuck of minds on the planet, from all branches of human study. Those guys may be chagrined from WWII, but they have their Science nailed tight.
I'm not saying the United States has the smartest people. I'm saying all known technology is at least in the United States and may be in other places. But as to your reference to WWII, if Hitler didn't hate Jews we could be speaking german today.
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China is by no means ahead of the United States. Perhaps one day, thanks to their growing economy. There is not one technology anyone in the entire world possesses that is not available to the U.S. This is not the case for China.
Compare automotive companies. That, in itself, is advancing technology that Ford, GM, etc, etc can't keep up to China (and Japan) in.
The day America makes a vehicle as efficient fuel wise as any Asian company, then they'll be up there with them. But they haven't.
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I'm not saying the United States has the smartest people.
Well, that is basically what you inferred. My assumption then is my error.
I'm saying all known technology is at least in the United States and may be in other places.
Incorrect. The National ID design is a basic example. It was 'licensed' from China. China invented it, uses it TODAY, and has plans to enhance it to affect everything from allowing you entry into a public bathroom, to entering your home. It's legally enforced in all the provinces as I sit here. We got the idea, the tech, and the implementation methods from China. The UK got it first from them, and we were the second runners.
Another example is 'nanotech'. We had no nanotech branches until Norway got the ball rolling.
But as to your reference to WWII, if Hitler didn't hate Jews we could be speaking german today.
Or speaking Hebrew, depending on your views.
But I mentioned Germany from the tech standpoint. My point was, WWII is a sore spot for them, on their self-image, but it has not dimmed their monumental Scientific obsession. As a nation, Germany is mighty with science endeavor, and their national GDP is based on the Scientific Industrial matrix. Ours is Defense. That's telling.