When will RE Community Accept Defeat?

Quote from: Plat Terra on August 28, 2019, 08:02:01 AM

During certain times of the year, both Cape Hope and Cape Horn can simultaneously see Sigma Octantis.  Here is the problem with Sigma Octantis and the notion that the Earth is flat:



If the Earth is flat, why can two people looking due south see Sigma Octantis in two different locations?  This is a paradox that has yet to be solved by the FE community.  A person standing at Cape Hope should, if the Earth is flat, see this constellation both due south and to the west while a person standing at Cape Horn would see it both south and again to the east.  We know this to not be the case in reality.  The Southern Cross always presents itself to the south, as Polaris always appears to the north.

Has anyone proved it is seen due south at the same locations at the same time?

Quote from: Plat Terra on August 28, 2019, 09:06:05 PM

It is believed that those who embraced a sphere Earth before the modern era  were smart and those who embraced a Flat Earth were ignorant. Yet no one can provide the hard evidence of sphere Earth used at that time to prove to the people Earth is a sphere. Why?

So, who are the real ignorant and persuasive group?  Are they the ones who rejected the idea on grounds of no real evidence or those who accepted it as indoctrination without real evidence?

Yes, the Globe theory began through ignorance and indoctrination. That’s something to be proud of, defend and support.

No one in their right mind can look at a horizon like this (below) and think Earth is a sphere. They have to go through a processes of indoctrination.

I think you have your flat earth cart before your flogged to death horse.
All of what you say is no more than hot air. The fact the earth is a sphere is simply beyond doubt. The real problem is not one of ‘indoctrination’ as you put it but education and reality and the fact that your appear unable to accept the truth.
The proof for a spherical earth is everywhere, proof that you for some reason only known to yourself are unable to accept.
You point to a picture and say this is proof! What would you expect to see in your picture if the earth were spherical? Remember the earth is big!

It is believed that those who embraced a sphere Earth before the modern era  were smart and those who embraced a Flat Earth were ignorant.

Yet no one can provide the hard evidence of sphere Earth used at that time to prove to the people Earth is a sphere. Why?

So, who are the real ignorant and persuasive group?  Are they the ones who rejected the idea on grounds of no real evidence or those who accepted it as indoctrination without real evidence?

Yes, the Globe theory began through ignorance and indoctrination.

No one in their right mind can look at a horizon like this (below) and think Earth is a sphere.

Quote from: Plat Terra on August 28, 2019, 09:43:25 PM

Has anyone proved it is seen due south at the same locations at the same time?

You literally just asked if the Southern Cross is to the south.  Let that sink in a moment...

Has anyone proved it is seen due south at the same locations at the same time?

Quote from: Plat Terra on August 28, 2019, 09:06:05 PM

It is believed that those who embraced a sphere Earth before the modern era  were smart and those who embraced a Flat Earth were ignorant.

Sure, "It is believed that those who embraced a sphere Earth before the modern era were smart" because the based there belief on evidence accumulated over centuries.

But who claimed that, "those who embraced a Flat Earth were ignorant". The few "who embraced a Flat Earth" mainly "embraced a Flat Earth" for religious reasons and not evidence.

Quote from: Plat Terra

Yet no one can provide the hard evidence of sphere Earth used at that time to prove to the people Earth is a sphere. Why?

That is simply a silly expectation because all we have is what survives of what was written then.

There is, however, much written by Ptolemy, a Greco-Roman, The Venerable Bede, English, Al Biruni, of Persia, and Johannes de Sacrobosco, of France.

But I'm not going to waste my time detailing all of that just to have you ignore as you do with everything else.

Quote from: Plat Terra

So, who are the real ignorant and persuasive group?  Are they the ones who rejected the idea on grounds of no real evidence or those who accepted it as indoctrination without real evidence?

The ignorant ones are you flat earthers who reject the Globe with no real evidence!

And most flat earthers accepted the flat earth by what amounts to indoctrination from sources like far earth YouTube videos that show no real evidence!

Quote from: Plat Terra

Yes, the Globe theory began through ignorance and indoctrination.

That is a total fabrication and you have no credible basis for such a claim!

There is a tremendous amount of evidence that, before around 600 BC, the earth was considered flat but with like semblance to the current ludicrous flat earth model!

The change to seeing the earth as a Globe came as people travelled further and gathered evidence that did not fit their earlier beliefs.

Quote from: Plat Terra

No one in their right mind can look at a horizon like this (below) and think Earth is a sphere.

I've already written about that photograph! It has nothing that indicates that the earth might not be a Globe.

Answer the question. The issue is about two different shapes of a world. You answer is biased.

Answer the question. The issue is about two different shapes of a world. You answer is biased.

Quote from: Plat Terra on August 28, 2019, 09:43:25 PM

Has anyone proved it is seen due south at the same locations at the same time?

It's up to YOU to prove otherwise! 

YOU are the one trying to to convince the RE Community to Accept Defeat and you are doing a terrible job of it!

Quote from: Plat Terra on August 28, 2019, 09:49:37 PM

Answer the question. The issue is about two different shapes of a world. You answer is biased.

The Southern Cross is part of the constellations that let any navigator in the southern hemisphere find due south.  That would make it...due south.  Meaning, YES, it is due south for anyone in the southern hemisphere looking south.  That is the reason I presented the Sigma Octantis paradox; if the Earth is flat, the location of this constellation is paradoxical.  It would need to be in multiple locations at the same time.  However, in this reality, it isn't.  We find it due south in the southern hemisphere for anyone that observes it, simultaneously at the same location and it isn't a paradox if the Earth is a sphere.

Have you ever wondered why Polaris doesn't have this problem?  Did it ever dawn on you that Rowbotham, an Englishman that never visited a location south of the equator and dropped out of school at the age of nine, would invent an ideology that never accounted for anything beyond places that he visited?  The idea of a flat Earth was born from a man that was too stupid to conceptualize the implications of his own lie.

So, I am correct you cannot provide the hard evedince, but yet can provied volumes of info from those who taught Earth a sphere.

And there is no compleling evedience known for that day, correct?

I know nothing about Rowbotham or his writings.

When it is proved it is seen due south at the same locations at the same time then you have an argument.

Quote from: rabinoz on August 28, 2019, 09:55:06 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on August 28, 2019, 09:43:25 PM

Has anyone proved it is seen due south at the same locations at the same time?

It's up to YOU to prove otherwise! 

YOU are the one trying to to convince the RE Community to Accept Defeat and you are doing a terrible job of it!

I didn't make the argument. It was a logical question. People are accepting defeat everyday. Like it or not.

Quote from: Plat Terra on August 28, 2019, 09:59:28 PM

So, I am correct you cannot provide the hard evedince, but yet can provied volumes of info from those who taught Earth a sphere.

How could you or I provide "hard evedince evidince" of what was known centuries ago? Be sensible!

Have you ever thought that anyone can "rovide volumes of info from those who knew the earth to be  a sphere but not from "flat earthers" because after around 500 AD there were few flat earthers?

Quote from: Plat Terra

And there is no compleling evedience known for that day, correct?

Who suggested that? The evidence had been accumulated over about 1000 years by then.
Have you read all those volumes yet ?

Look the early flat earth models of the Sumerians, the Babylonians and the ancient Greeks fitted the limited regions of earth where they live.

But those models simply do not work at all for the whole earth as was known even from the early centuries AD.

So, Rowbotham "invented" a flat earth model with the sun, moon, planets and stars circling above.
But Rowbotham had little knowledge of the rest of the earth and virtually none of the Southern Hemisphere.
As a result the "modern flat earth model" simply does not work for numerous reasons!

Get you own huge problems sorted out before displaying more of your pathetic ignorance about the Globe!

Quote from: Plat Terra on August 28, 2019, 10:03:12 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on August 28, 2019, 09:55:06 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on August 28, 2019, 09:43:25 PM

Has anyone proved it is seen due south at the same locations at the same time?

It's up to YOU to prove otherwise! 

YOU are the one trying to to convince the RE Community to Accept Defeat and you are doing a terrible job of it!

I didn't make the argument. It was a logical question. People are accepting defeat everyday. Like it or not.

Rubbish! Prove that People in the RE Community are accepting defeat everyday!

Quote from: rabinoz on August 28, 2019, 10:29:19 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on August 28, 2019, 10:03:12 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on August 28, 2019, 09:55:06 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on August 28, 2019, 09:43:25 PM

Has anyone proved it is seen due south at the same locations at the same time?

It's up to YOU to prove otherwise! 

YOU are the one trying to to convince the RE Community to Accept Defeat and you are doing a terrible job of it!

I didn't make the argument. It was a logical question. People are accepting defeat everyday. Like it or not.

Rubbish! Prove that People in the RE Community are accepting defeat everyday!

No, no rubbish here. You should get out more. I know of teachers in your area that are busy. 

Everyday!!

Ah, to die knowing what you believed is a just plain wrong, and to know people ridicule you for your at-best-medieval view!

Quote from: rabinoz on August 28, 2019, 10:29:19 PM

Rubbish! Prove that People in the RE Community are accepting defeat everyday!

No, no rubbish here.

Here are samples from US, Russian and Japanese weather satellites:

The United States' has the GOES series of weather satellites, with three in operation:
       GOES-15, GOES-16 (at 75.2º W Longitude) and GOES-17 (at 137.2º W Longitude) with GOES-15 being retired in early July 2019.

A full disk image from GOES-17 captured from its new orbital position at 137.2 degrees west longitude

This full disk image of Earth was captured by the GOES-16 satellite Wednesday. Credit: NOAA

Russia's weather satellite Elektro-L No.1 is located at 76°E over the Indian Ocean and the Japanese have the Himawari 8 over the western Pacific Ocean at 140°E.

Earth as viewed by the Russian weather satellite Elektro-L, which is in a geostationary orbit at a distance of 36,000 kilometers, on September 26, 2012. A higher resolution version is available on GigaPan.

From Japan's Himawari-8 Go to Himawari-8 Real-time Web - NICT for real-time images.

Quote from: Gumwars on August 28, 2019, 09:18:03 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on August 28, 2019, 08:02:01 AM

During certain times of the year, both Cape Hope and Cape Horn can simultaneously see Sigma Octantis.  Here is the problem with Sigma Octantis and the notion that the Earth is flat:



If the Earth is flat, why can two people looking due south see Sigma Octantis in two different locations?  This is a paradox that has yet to be solved by the FE community.  A person standing at Cape Hope should, if the Earth is flat, see this constellation both due south and to the west while a person standing at Cape Horn would see it both south and again to the east.  We know this to not be the case in reality.  The Southern Cross always presents itself to the south, as Polaris always appears to the north.

Has anyone proved it is seen due south at the same locations at the same time?

Quote from: rvlvr on August 28, 2019, 10:48:56 PM

Ah, to die knowing what you believed is a just plain wrong, and to know people ridicule you for your at-best-medieval view!

Yes, it’s a shame the medieval astronomers warped the minds of people with all types of fantasies that continue today as truth. They could have explored other reigons on the infinite Plane, instead of being bound to a world they thought was a sphere and could never leave.  What a true shame.

https://i.imgur.com/Jv455HI.jpg

                                                                                                                               Hawaiian Gazette January 11, 1911
As I wrote in a blog post discussing this article, the following article comes to us from the January 11, 1907 edition of the Hawaiian Gazette and alleges to be a map of the world made in Japan more than 1,000 years ago. But as critical readers will notice, the story has more than a few hints of the Zeno Map story. As with that infamous map, this one is also a redrawn modern copy of an allegedly ancient map unseen by anyone. Like the Zeno Map, the original was also allegedly rotten with age, explained by a mysterious ancient letter unseen by anyone else, and it also serves to glorify the geographic areas connected to its “discoverer.” In this case a Japanese resident of Hawaii found a map in Japan that was ignorant of Madagascar, Greenland, and Polynesia but somehow managed to include Hawaii front and center!
 
There’s a pretty good indication that the journalist who wrote the piece knew it was a hoax: He compares it to James De Mille’s 1888 novel Manuscript found in a Copper Cylinder, a satirical tale of an underground world.

Quote from: rvlvr on August 28, 2019, 10:48:56 PM

Ah, to die knowing what you believed is a just plain wrong, and to know people ridicule you for your at-best-medieval view!

Yes, it’s a shame the medieval astronomers warped the minds of people with all types of fantasies that continue today as truth. They could have explored other reigons on the infinite Plane, instead of being bound to a world they thought was a sphere and could never leave.  What a true shame.

Quote from: Plat Terra on August 28, 2019, 11:00:45 PM

Quote from: rvlvr on August 28, 2019, 10:48:56 PM

Ah, to die knowing what you believed is a just plain wrong, and to know people ridicule you for your at-best-medieval view!

Yes, it’s a shame the medieval astronomers warped the minds of people with all types of fantasies that continue today as truth. They could have explored other reigons on the infinite Plane, instead of being bound to a world they thought was a sphere and could never leave.  What a true shame.

https://i.imgur.com/Jv455HI.jpg

That simply asks a question, "Was this world map made ten centuries ago? " There's no evidence or proof of anything there.
And are newspapers evidence of anything? Hardly!

Especially as!

Quote

                                                                                                                               Hawaiian Gazette January 11, 1911
As I wrote in a blog post discussing this article, the following article comes to us from the January 11, 1907 edition of the Hawaiian Gazette and alleges to be a map of the world made in Japan more than 1,000 years ago. But as critical readers will notice, the story has more than a few hints of the Zeno Map story. As with that infamous map, this one is also a redrawn modern copy of an allegedly ancient map unseen by anyone. Like the Zeno Map, the original was also allegedly rotten with age, explained by a mysterious ancient letter unseen by anyone else, and it also serves to glorify the geographic areas connected to its “discoverer.” In this case a Japanese resident of Hawaii found a map in Japan that was ignorant of Madagascar, Greenland, and Polynesia but somehow managed to include Hawaii front and center!
 
There’s a pretty good indication that the journalist who wrote the piece knew it was a hoax: He compares it to James De Mille’s 1888 novel Manuscript found in a Copper Cylinder, a satirical tale of an underground world.

Run away and stop foisting more flat earth hoaxes on us!

Quote from: rabinoz on August 28, 2019, 11:17:13 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on August 28, 2019, 11:00:45 PM

Quote from: rvlvr on August 28, 2019, 10:48:56 PM

Ah, to die knowing what you believed is a just plain wrong, and to know people ridicule you for your at-best-medieval view!

Yes, it’s a shame the medieval astronomers warped the minds of people with all types of fantasies that continue today as truth. They could have explored other reigons on the infinite Plane, instead of being bound to a world they thought was a sphere and could never leave.  What a true shame.

https://i.imgur.com/Jv455HI.jpg

That simply asks a question, "Was this world map made ten centuries ago? " There's no evidence or proof of anything there.
And are newspapers evidence of anything? Hardly!

Especially as!

Quote

                                                                                                                               Hawaiian Gazette January 11, 1911
As I wrote in a blog post discussing this article, the following article comes to us from the January 11, 1907 edition of the Hawaiian Gazette and alleges to be a map of the world made in Japan more than 1,000 years ago. But as critical readers will notice, the story has more than a few hints of the Zeno Map story. As with that infamous map, this one is also a redrawn modern copy of an allegedly ancient map unseen by anyone. Like the Zeno Map, the original was also allegedly rotten with age, explained by a mysterious ancient letter unseen by anyone else, and it also serves to glorify the geographic areas connected to its “discoverer.” In this case a Japanese resident of Hawaii found a map in Japan that was ignorant of Madagascar, Greenland, and Polynesia but somehow managed to include Hawaii front and center!
 
There’s a pretty good indication that the journalist who wrote the piece knew it was a hoax: He compares it to James De Mille’s 1888 novel Manuscript found in a Copper Cylinder, a satirical tale of an underground world.

Run away and stop foisting more flat earth hoaxes on us!

I expect the opposition to muddy the waters’.  If it were a Globe Earth map you would praise the newspaper, but since the center looks similar to the Gleason Map it must be discredited at all cost.

The following Gleason map will let you know were the Sun is any time of the day.

Quote from: Plat Terra on August 28, 2019, 11:38:19 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on August 28, 2019, 11:17:13 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on August 28, 2019, 11:00:45 PM

Quote from: rvlvr on August 28, 2019, 10:48:56 PM

Ah, to die knowing what you believed is a just plain wrong, and to know people ridicule you for your at-best-medieval view!

Yes, it’s a shame the medieval astronomers warped the minds of people with all types of fantasies that continue today as truth. They could have explored other reigons on the infinite Plane, instead of being bound to a world they thought was a sphere and could never leave.  What a true shame.

https://i.imgur.com/Jv455HI.jpg

That simply asks a question, "Was this world map made ten centuries ago? " There's no evidence or proof of anything there.
And are newspapers evidence of anything? Hardly!

Especially as!

Quote

                                                                                                                               Hawaiian Gazette January 11, 1911
As I wrote in a blog post discussing this article, the following article comes to us from the January 11, 1907 edition of the Hawaiian Gazette and alleges to be a map of the world made in Japan more than 1,000 years ago. But as critical readers will notice, the story has more than a few hints of the Zeno Map story. As with that infamous map, this one is also a redrawn modern copy of an allegedly ancient map unseen by anyone. Like the Zeno Map, the original was also allegedly rotten with age, explained by a mysterious ancient letter unseen by anyone else, and it also serves to glorify the geographic areas connected to its “discoverer.” In this case a Japanese resident of Hawaii found a map in Japan that was ignorant of Madagascar, Greenland, and Polynesia but somehow managed to include Hawaii front and center!
 
There’s a pretty good indication that the journalist who wrote the piece knew it was a hoax: He compares it to James De Mille’s 1888 novel Manuscript found in a Copper Cylinder, a satirical tale of an underground world.

Run away and stop foisting more flat earth hoaxes on us!

I expect the opposition to muddy the waters’.  If it were a Globe Earth map you would praise the newspaper, but since the center looks similar to the Gleason Map it must be discredited at all cost.

The following Gleason map will let you know were the Sun is any time of the day.

OK mr Terra...explain this.
Why does the moon appear to be upside down when viewed the the Southern Hemisphere, as compared to how it looks in the Northern Hemisphere?  You can add to that constellations like Orion.?