Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?

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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #150 on: May 15, 2010, 01:41:19 PM »
So you have nothing.  You're the one defending your claim, how about you give me some links?

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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #151 on: May 15, 2010, 01:43:38 PM »
omg...you had the link. Try reading it.
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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #152 on: May 15, 2010, 01:47:54 PM »
The only link was to this:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=34082.0

And once again, the only attempts you made at prooving the harmful effects of moonlights are these:

- May be harmful to other organisms

- Appears to elevate blood pressure in humans

Neither of this are proof or evidence at all, for reasons I've already stated.
Anything else?

That was all the evidence you gave to support your claims.
But you know what, I'm done arguing here.  Say what you want, but I know for a fact that the Earth is round, the moon won't hurt you, and man has been into space.  I can't stand trying to argue with idiots like you.  Goodbye, FES.

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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #153 on: May 15, 2010, 01:48:53 PM »
Another win for FES!
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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #154 on: May 15, 2010, 01:51:41 PM »
Another win for FES!

sounds like a loss to me
i mean if you end game is to change what is "common knowledge" from the earth is round to it is flat
then wouldnt driving people away be counter productive?
Then you have provided evidence for the Earth being a sphere

Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #155 on: May 15, 2010, 01:52:33 PM »
Another win for FES!

There's a difference between "winning" and driving someone so crazy, they decide to stop wasting their valuable existence on this Round Earth trying to convince a bunch of lunatics of something that's been well known and proven for hundreds of years.  

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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #156 on: May 15, 2010, 01:53:44 PM »
Another win for FES!

There's a difference between "winning" and driving someone so crazy, they decide to stop wasting their valuable existence on this Round Earth trying to convince a bunch of lunatics of something that's been well known and proven for hundreds of years.  
Or that person really can't come up with any valid evidence or argument.

Another win for FES!
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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #157 on: May 15, 2010, 01:59:11 PM »
Say what you want, the FES will always lose.  There's a reason why so few believe in a flat Earth: because the Earth is Round.

And now I go.

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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #158 on: May 15, 2010, 02:00:54 PM »
Another win for FES!

There's a difference between "winning" and driving someone so crazy, they decide to stop wasting their valuable existence on this Round Earth trying to convince a bunch of lunatics of something that's been well known and proven for hundreds of years.  
Or that person really can't come up with any valid evidence or argument.

Another win for FES!

he did and has
you just toss them out
ok hot shot try this
http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/eratosthenes.html
you dont even need to go any were and you can get every thing need a the dollar store

i think we can all say the math is good on this
all you need to do is get a meter stick and measure its shadow on June 21 and then find out how far from the Tropic of Cancer you are
i think you can handle that seeing as tons of school kids do it every year :D
http://www.ciese.org/curriculum/noonday/
Then you have provided evidence for the Earth being a sphere

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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #159 on: May 15, 2010, 02:01:54 PM »
Another win for FES!
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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #160 on: May 15, 2010, 03:42:13 PM »
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #161 on: May 15, 2010, 03:44:58 PM »
Another win for FES!

Now if you could only get a map that works! Or explain the conspiracy! Or tell me why the Russian didn't report us when we faked the landing! Etc. Etc. Etc.

Besides - I have trouble taking your results seriously at all. Do you truely believe that you are the only one to do studies in moonlight and have discovered this?
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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #162 on: May 15, 2010, 04:32:31 PM »
Another win for FES!

No.

Pst. We get moonlight during the day as well. How many people have died as a consequence of their ignorance?

But I like how you're all trolling together. It's kinda cute.

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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #163 on: May 15, 2010, 05:23:45 PM »
So you have nothing.  You're the one defending your claim, how about you give me some links?

We're defending a widely accepted claim. Why is it that when we want do deny the status quo, the burden of proof is on us, and when we want to affirm the status quo, the burden of proof is still on us? Do you globularists not particularly enjoy proving?
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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #164 on: May 15, 2010, 05:26:41 PM »
You know, with all this celebration going on, you'd think that the danger of exposure to moonlight had something to do with the shape of the earth. It's really too bad that it doesn't.
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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #165 on: May 15, 2010, 05:32:39 PM »
You know, with all this celebration going on, you'd think that the danger of exposure to moonlight had something to do with the shape of the earth. It's really too bad that it doesn't.

Although this website focuses on Flat Earth Theory, we celebrate all zetetic discovery here.  It's certainly relevant to FE studies.
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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #166 on: May 15, 2010, 05:36:51 PM »
It proves that the Moon and the Sun shine by their own light.
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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #167 on: May 15, 2010, 05:57:58 PM »
It proves that the Moon and the Sun shine by their own light.

Not really, even if true, it would just show that the light coming from the moon was harmful, nothing more.
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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #168 on: May 15, 2010, 06:09:50 PM »
So you have nothing.  You're the one defending your claim, how about you give me some links?

We're defending a widely accepted claim. Why is it that when we want do deny the status quo, the burden of proof is on us, and when we want to affirm the status quo, the burden of proof is still on us? Do you globularists not particularly enjoy proving?
Since when was the moon shining its own light and being harmful to humans the status quo?
As i recall what i learned(as in RE) is the suns light reflecting off the moon.
Who has said that the moon shines its own light and/or its rays are harmful to humans?

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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #169 on: May 15, 2010, 06:41:14 PM »
There's no reason to dismiss Ichy's findings out of hand because of the off chance that there might be another cause for his spike in blood pressure...

Funny, that's pretty much the same reason you give when you dismiss photographs from space.

At least Ichy's experiments are repeatable and verifiable.  ::)

You mean the experiments that show plants have a hardening cell develop in the presence of moonlight, which is the same cell that grows naturally and dies in the presence of sunlight to allow the stem of the plant to bend towards the dominate light source for more efficient photosynthesis as well as growing as a reaction to physical stress (such as constant shaking) to keep the plant's stem rigid enough to survive the environment?  I fail to see how the development of the cells pose any problem.  Even if you want to use it as a reaction to stress, Humans and other animals suffer no ill effects to wind yet the plant will produce these cells in the presence of strong wind. 
All he's done is show that a specific species of plant, when exposed to natural moonlight, causes slightly elevated growth of a specific cell type used in stem rigidity.  Leaping to "moonlight is harmful" is a leap of faith and not actual science.

It's the same thing as saying dog bites = Harmful moon rays.
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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #170 on: May 15, 2010, 06:52:16 PM »
There's no reason to dismiss Ichy's findings out of hand because of the off chance that there might be another cause for his spike in blood pressure...

Funny, that's pretty much the same reason you give when you dismiss photographs from space.

At least Ichy's experiments are repeatable and verifiable.  ::)

You mean the experiments that show plants have a hardening cell develop in the presence of moonlight, which is the same cell that grows naturally and dies in the presence of sunlight to allow the stem of the plant to bend towards the dominate light source for more efficient photosynthesis as well as growing as a reaction to physical stress (such as constant shaking) to keep the plant's stem rigid enough to survive the environment?  I fail to see how the development of the cells pose any problem.  Even if you want to use it as a reaction to stress, Humans and other animals suffer no ill effects to wind yet the plant will produce these cells in the presence of strong wind. 
All he's done is show that a specific species of plant, when exposed to natural moonlight, causes slightly elevated growth of a specific cell type used in stem rigidity.  Leaping to "moonlight is harmful" is a leap of faith and not actual science.

It's the same thing as saying dog bites = Harmful moon rays.
Collenchyma grows specifically in response to stress with excess. They were harmed.
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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #171 on: May 15, 2010, 07:18:16 PM »
Collenchyma grows specifically in response to stress with excess. They were harmed.

And how does this equate to potential human physiological harm again?
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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #172 on: May 15, 2010, 07:21:51 PM »
Collenchyma grows specifically in response to stress with excess. They were harmed.

And how does this equate to potential human physiological harm again?
When did I claim it does  ??? The experiment in particular shows the danger to plants. I was responding to Lorddave
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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #173 on: May 15, 2010, 07:46:08 PM »
There's no reason to dismiss Ichy's findings out of hand because of the off chance that there might be another cause for his spike in blood pressure...

Funny, that's pretty much the same reason you give when you dismiss photographs from space.

At least Ichy's experiments are repeatable and verifiable.  ::)

You mean the experiments that show plants have a hardening cell develop in the presence of moonlight, which is the same cell that grows naturally and dies in the presence of sunlight to allow the stem of the plant to bend towards the dominate light source for more efficient photosynthesis as well as growing as a reaction to physical stress (such as constant shaking) to keep the plant's stem rigid enough to survive the environment?  I fail to see how the development of the cells pose any problem.  Even if you want to use it as a reaction to stress, Humans and other animals suffer no ill effects to wind yet the plant will produce these cells in the presence of strong wind. 
All he's done is show that a specific species of plant, when exposed to natural moonlight, causes slightly elevated growth of a specific cell type used in stem rigidity.  Leaping to "moonlight is harmful" is a leap of faith and not actual science.

It's the same thing as saying dog bites = Harmful moon rays.
Collenchyma grows specifically in response to stress with excess. They were harmed.

No, collenchyma grows naturally AND specifically to physical movement, not harm.  It's function is to provide a rigidity to the plant to ensure that it gathers the most sunlight. 

I would also like to point out that plants don't get harmed when they're shaken.  Why?  Well let's look at how a plant works shall we?  A series of tubes that move nutrients from the roots, through the stem, and into the leaves.  These tubes are extremely flexible and resilient.  In no way is a plant harmed when it's shaken.  It would be like harming a wet noodle by shaking it. 

Now, if the collenchyma became broken, THEN I'd say it was harmed. 

Unless you can tell me what kind of harm they actually had.  And remember, mechanical stress is not harm.  If it was, every wind gust would be harmful to plants.
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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #174 on: May 15, 2010, 08:22:17 PM »
Well let's look at how a plant works shall we?  A series of tubes that move nutrients from the roots, through the stem, and into the leaves.  These tubes are extremely flexible and resilient.  In no way is a plant harmed when it's shaken.  It would be like harming a wet noodle by shaking it.  
Lord Dave it is very clear you do not know your plant biology. The water and basic elemental nutrients (some found in fertilizers) are absorbed through roots but only water travels via "rounded" xylem cells which are NOT tubes. They are either tracheids or Vessel members with respective included pits and pores. They are also very easily destroyed since companion cells and nuclei are not present as in phloem. The main nutrients actually use phloem to travel down the plants. This phloem has sieve cells that contain sieve plates that continue to get built over. Again, NOT tubes.
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No, collenchyma grows naturally AND
That's why i said EXCESS. Collenchyma growth is a fixed number without interference from stress. That is because it is extremely expensive metabolically and thus additional collenchhyma growth is bad for the plant. It is only made in excess from mechanical stress. Mechanical stress DOES harm plants. It is only worth noting when it is a present to the degree where plant function is impeded.
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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #175 on: May 15, 2010, 09:12:27 PM »
Well let's look at how a plant works shall we?  A series of tubes that move nutrients from the roots, through the stem, and into the leaves.  These tubes are extremely flexible and resilient.  In no way is a plant harmed when it's shaken.  It would be like harming a wet noodle by shaking it.  
Lord Dave it is very clear you do not know your plant biology. The water and basic elemental nutrients (some found in fertilizers) are absorbed through roots but only water travels via "rounded" xylem cells which are NOT tubes. They are either tracheids or Vessel members with respective included pits and pores. They are also very easily destroyed since companion cells and nuclei are not present as in phloem. The main nutrients actually use phloem to travel down the plants. This phloem has sieve cells that contain sieve plates that continue to get built over. Again, NOT tubes.


Ok, so I need to brush up on my plant bio.  It has been over 10 years since I studied it.
So answer me this...
Was there any evidence of cellular damage directly and not just via the increased collenchyma?

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No, collenchyma grows naturally AND
That's why i said EXCESS. Collenchyma growth is a fixed number without interference from stress. That is because it is extremely expensive metabolically and thus additional collenchhyma growth is bad for the plant. It is only made in excess from mechanical stress. Mechanical stress DOES harm plants. It is only worth noting when it is a present to the degree where plant function is impeded.

And what about the movement of the primary light source?  Do plants not tend to bend towards the strongest light source to get the most efficient photosynthesis?  I wouldn't call that stress.
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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #176 on: May 16, 2010, 09:10:19 AM »
We're defending a widely accepted claim.

Lol. But no, you're not.

Why is it that when we want do deny the status quo, the burden of proof is on us

Because that's how the world works.

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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #177 on: May 18, 2010, 04:48:39 PM »
It proves that the Moon and the Sun shine by their own light.

Save for the fact that the only thing his experiment did was prove that plants need sunlight, which we already knew.
In fact, it has been shown that moonlight is just 13.6% sunlight

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlight

So can I quote you that FES believes moonlight is harmful?

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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #178 on: May 18, 2010, 05:00:48 PM »
It proves that the Moon and the Sun shine by their own light.

Save for the fact that the only thing his experiment did was prove that plants need sunlight, which we already knew.
In fact, it has been shown that moonlight is just 13.6% sunlight

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlight

So can I quote you that FES believes moonlight is harmful?
Lamp groups would have been affected then
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Re: Lunar Danger! James and Ichi are the only ones?
« Reply #179 on: May 18, 2010, 06:06:18 PM »
It proves that the Moon and the Sun shine by their own light.

Save for the fact that the only thing his experiment did was prove that plants need sunlight, which we already knew.
In fact, it has been shown that moonlight is just 13.6% sunlight

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlight

So can I quote you that FES believes moonlight is harmful?
Lamp groups would have been affected then


Wait, why are you assuming that the results are due to stress?  Wouldn't phototropism produce similar if not identical effects?
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