Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.

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Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« on: April 06, 2010, 12:24:58 PM »
Things not explained on FE.

Firstly,a post that summarizes nicely why i believe in RE over FE.
http://theroundearthsociety.net/index.php?topic=9.msg107#msg107

-GPS
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=36546.0
-Equinox
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=25336.0
-Midnight Sun
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=25214.0
-Tropic Lines
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39167.0
-Moon Shadow
Instead,a theory about an anti-moon
-Large distances required for travel in the southern hemisphere.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39227.0

-The fact that gravity varies on the planet(For those who believe in UA.)
-Falling Meteors.
if EVERYTHING is going up because of UA,why not Meteoroids?
-International Space Station(ISS)
I think ISS's exact speed and altitude is irrelevant. The fact that it can disappear behind clouds means that it is at least 5-10km high (the usual altitude of Cirrocumulus clouds). The only other object, other than an orbiting body, that could remain at that altitude is some type of high-altitude plane. No exhaust trail or rocket flare has been observed, so it couldn't be a rocket plane. Balloons are out, as no balloon or any similar structure has been observed on the ISS.

That leaves some sort of high-altitude jet. This is unreasonable for several reasons:
  • Aerodynamics-wise, the ISS's design is horrible.
  • If it were a jet-powered aircraft, it would have to refuel at least once per day. Not only is this conspicous and difficult to keep quiet (even more people, an air force base's worth, have to brought into the "Conspiracy"), but it would likely be very expensive. A craft the size of the ISS would require a large amount of fuel to ascend back up to altitude and remain there, and even more people would have to be paid to keep quiet. The supposed motive of the Conspiracy is monetary gain, so why would they spend so much on a deception. Surely cheaper methods of trickery are available.

An orbiting body is really the only explanation for the ISS.
-Compass
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38554.0
-Sunrise/set
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39283.60
-Angular Diameter
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39735.40
Daylight hours.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39400.0
) Earthquakes thread showing P-waves and S-waves being consistent with RET
) Why the distance of the moon and sun are accurately measured using Radar, triangulation, and parallax.

Bedford canal: http://theroundearthsociety.net/index.php?topic=76.0

Disproved proofs: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=25232.msg560231#msg560231 Note this one link contains other links.


Now,i know someone is going to say something like "Lurk moar"
But i have been to threads where these questions have been asked,and have not been given satisfactory answers.

Anything else that needs adding i will do so.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2011, 12:42:31 AM by The Question1 »

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2010, 12:54:48 PM »
I'll add,

Why Gnomonic projection works in map creation.

and

Why FET can't produce a working map.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2010, 12:59:34 PM »
Seismic profile would look radically different under a FE model. There would be no shadow zone as we see in our experiments today, as seismic waves would never magically reappear after a certain threshold.

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Lorddave

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2010, 01:14:41 PM »
The shadow of the moon when it's not lit (ie. crater walls being lit but the surface around that crater isn't) and why it's very straight in how it looks during a half moon or during the day at certain positions.  Essentially how it looks like a shadow when, according to FE, it's really the "anti-moon".

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2010, 01:44:08 PM »
As it turns out, asteroids falling to Earth remain unexplained. 

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=37753.0

This seems really simple, but if you think about, FET doesn't explain it.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2010, 03:33:55 PM »
The existence of radioactive isotopes should not exist under the FE model.

A fusion powered sun explains this quite well (particles colliding to form unstable nuclei). However, because there is no gravity there is no process strong enough to explain the formation of elements even beyond hydrogen...

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2010, 04:28:13 PM »
The existence of radioactive isotopes should not exist under the FE model.

A fusion powered sun explains this quite well (particles colliding to form unstable nuclei). However, because there is no gravity there is no process strong enough to explain the formation of elements even beyond hydrogen...

FET only says that gravity doesn't exist for the Earth.  Everything else has Gravity.

Yeah... doesn't make sense to me either.

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Tom Bishop

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2010, 04:40:59 PM »
-GPS
-Equinox
-Midnight Sun
-Curvurature(Not sure about this,i think bendy light has been disproven
-What would power the sun if its 32 Miles wide.
-Gnomic Projections
-Lack of a working model.
-Moon Shadow
-Large distances required for travel in the southern hemisphere.
-Asteroids Falling(Despite everything going up at the same rate.)

Now,i know someone is going to say something like "Lurk moar"
But i have been to threads where these questions have been asked,and have not been given satisfactory answers.

Anything else that needs adding i will do so.

Read the Wiki. Lurk more.

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Deceiver

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2010, 04:44:17 PM »
-GPS
-Equinox
-Midnight Sun
-Curvurature(Not sure about this,i think bendy light has been disproven
-What would power the sun if its 32 Miles wide.
-Gnomic Projections
-Lack of a working model.
-Moon Shadow
-Large distances required for travel in the southern hemisphere.
-Asteroids Falling(Despite everything going up at the same rate.)

Now,i know someone is going to say something like "Lurk moar"
But i have been to threads where these questions have been asked,and have not been given satisfactory answers.

Anything else that needs adding i will do so.

Read the Wiki. Lurk more.

read the title. your wiki/faq do not explain these ideas convincingly, and in some cases, neglects them outright or are just plain copouts.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2010, 04:48:43 PM by Deceiver »

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The Question1

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2010, 04:47:04 PM »
-GPS
-Equinox
-Midnight Sun
-Curvurature(Not sure about this,i think bendy light has been disproven
-What would power the sun if its 32 Miles wide.
-Gnomic Projections
-Lack of a working model.
-Moon Shadow
-Large distances required for travel in the southern hemisphere.
-Asteroids Falling(Despite everything going up at the same rate.)

Now,i know someone is going to say something like "Lurk moar"
But i have been to threads where these questions have been asked,and have not been given satisfactory answers.

Anything else that needs adding i will do so.

Read the Wiki. Lurk more.
I think i have lurked quite enough.
Haven't seen a consistant model for the midnight sun(That doesn't involve messed up timezones)
FET does not explain the large distances it would take for someone to travel in the southern hemisphere.
And the GPS has not been proven to come from anyother source but satelites.
Even if everything else can be proven in FET,i know these 3 have not.

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Lorddave

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2010, 04:51:23 PM »
-GPS
-Equinox
-Midnight Sun
-Curvurature(Not sure about this,i think bendy light has been disproven
-What would power the sun if its 32 Miles wide.
-Gnomic Projections
-Lack of a working model.
-Moon Shadow
-Large distances required for travel in the southern hemisphere.
-Asteroids Falling(Despite everything going up at the same rate.)

Now,i know someone is going to say something like "Lurk moar"
But i have been to threads where these questions have been asked,and have not been given satisfactory answers.

Anything else that needs adding i will do so.

Read the Wiki. Lurk more.

I'm sorry Tom but your wiki (You seem to have the most created entries) doesn't seem cover anything in the list above.  

-GPS (Not in the Wiki)
-Equinox (Not in the Wiki)
-Midnight Sun (Not in the Wiki)
-Curvurature(Not sure about this,i think bendy light has been disproven) (Not in the Wiki)
-What would power the sun if its 32 Miles wide. (Not in the Wiki)
-Gnomic Projections (Not in the Wiki)
-Lack of a working model. (This kinda IS the wiki)
-Moon Shadow (Not in the Wiki)
-Large distances required for travel in the southern hemisphere. (Somewhere in the Wiki... I think)
-Asteroids Falling(Despite everything going up at the same rate.) (Not in the Wiki)


So either your wiki is in need of major redesign or you're trying to keep from having to answer the same question over and over again with whatever new pseudo idea you came up with.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2010, 09:48:08 AM »
-GPS
-Equinox
-Midnight Sun
-Curvurature(Not sure about this,i think bendy light has been disproven
-What would power the sun if its 32 Miles wide.
-Gnomic Projections
-Lack of a working model.
-Moon Shadow
-Large distances required for travel in the southern hemisphere.
-Asteroids Falling(Despite everything going up at the same rate.)

Now,i know someone is going to say something like "Lurk moar"
But i have been to threads where these questions have been asked,and have not been given satisfactory answers.

Anything else that needs adding i will do so.

Read the Wiki. Lurk more.
I think i have lurked quite enough.
Haven't seen a consistant model for the midnight sun(That doesn't involve messed up timezones)
FET does not explain the large distances it would take for someone to travel in the southern hemisphere.
And the GPS has not been proven to come from anyother source but satelites.
Even if everything else can be proven in FET,i know these 3 have not.

Other things FET can't explain:
The Horizon (given that beeny light has been disproved)
Why nobody can reach the latitude of 91o south?
Where exactly on the "disc" is the south polar base?
Why can nobody flying in a plane over Antarctica see over the edge?
Why RE maps work to the high level of accuracy they do.
Why inertial navigation systems enable you to travel in a straight line on a round earth but force you round a curve on a flat earth (but only going east-west: north-south straight lines are still allowed)?
Why the sun appears to rise due east world wide at the equinoxes?

Plus the following flat earth inconsistencies:
If the ice wall exists, why has nobody seen it?
What evidence is there to suggest the north pole is at the centre rather than the south pole?
What evidence is there to suggest the earth is a round disc rather than, say, a hexagonal prism? Given that it could conceivably be any shape, the probability of it being a disc is pissingly remote.
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Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2010, 10:13:34 AM »
How the conspiracy could convincingly be kept secret.
The conspiracy do train attack-birds

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2010, 11:14:10 AM »
I'm liking this thread.....the most concise yet.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2010, 01:38:16 PM »
Reading the Wiki was only half of my instructions.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2010, 01:39:24 PM »
Reading the Wiki was only half of the instructions.
Unfortunately it's the invalid half.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2010, 01:43:19 PM »
Reading the Wiki was only half of my instructions.

The other was Lurk more. (ie. read a bunch of threads but not post)

If the first half wasn't helpful for anything and the second half results mostly in posts such as "read the FAQ/Wiki" how is lurking more going to help?

Oh wait, now I understand... it helps because you won't have to answer someone who doesn't post.  Got it.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2010, 02:20:20 PM »
Reading the Wiki was only half of my instructions.

There's nothing in the wicky or anywhere on the forum that answers the issues I mention.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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Tom Bishop

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2010, 02:25:17 PM »
Reading the Wiki was only half of my instructions.

The other was Lurk more. (ie. read a bunch of threads but not post)

If the first half wasn't helpful for anything and the second half results mostly in posts such as "read the FAQ/Wiki" how is lurking more going to help?

There's a search function. Use it.

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Lorddave

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2010, 02:29:34 PM »
Reading the Wiki was only half of my instructions.

The other was Lurk more. (ie. read a bunch of threads but not post)

If the first half wasn't helpful for anything and the second half results mostly in posts such as "read the FAQ/Wiki" how is lurking more going to help?

There's a search function. Use it.

Why do I need to use the Search function?  I've read enough of the forum to know YOUR answers to these.  I'll put one out for GPS - Cell towers or Pseudolittes combined with altered time signals.  Cell Towers don't work because there are locations with no cellular reception and no towers yet GPS works fine.  Pseudolittes are just a way of saying "Satellites are faked but appear to be real".  With logic like that, I might as well call you a pseudo-Flat Earth believer.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2010, 02:31:31 PM »
Reading the Wiki was only half of my instructions.

The other was Lurk more. (ie. read a bunch of threads but not post)

If the first half wasn't helpful for anything and the second half results mostly in posts such as "read the FAQ/Wiki" how is lurking more going to help?

There's a search function. Use it.

As I already said: there's NOTHING in the wicky OR the rest of the forum that answers the issues I mention.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2010, 03:12:05 PM »
There's a search function. Use it.

Hate to break it to you Tom, but the search function really isn't that great.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2010, 05:37:53 PM »
There's a search function. Use it.

Hate to break it to you Tom, but the search function really isn't that great.

His whole encyclopeadia is thin on everything and just wrong on far too much. Could anyone find anything on the moon in there?

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2010, 06:21:30 PM »
Add-on -

Has the FET explained whats on the other side of the disc, the "thickness" of our disc (are we like a coin or a cyclinder?), and why we a cosmically such an anomaly?
" Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. " - Albert Einstein

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2010, 06:25:49 PM »
Add-on -

Has the FET explained whats on the other side of the disc, the "thickness" of our disc (are we like a coin or a cyclinder?), and why we a cosmically such an anomaly?

Based on my readings, the answer is...

"We don't know but it's probably so good that NASA wants to keep it a secret".

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The Question1

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2010, 06:26:08 PM »
Add-on -

Has the FET explained whats on the other side of the disc, the "thickness" of our disc (are we like a coin or a cyclinder?), and why we a cosmically such an anomaly?
Apparently their is this thing called a "UA"(Universal accelerator) going upwards at the same speed as gravity.
and some believe we are the center of the universe.
Which is no mystery some of the reviews i saw for ENAG were all clearly christians.

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The Question1

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2010, 06:47:47 PM »
I guess this thread will always be ignored by the FE'ers.
I wonder,are they looking at it,but still refusing to let go of thier belief in FET?Cause if you(or anyone else) can't back it up,you should start thinking"Maybe S/He's got a point..."

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Lorddave

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2010, 07:16:52 PM »
I guess this thread will always be ignored by the FE'ers.
I wonder,are they looking at it,but still refusing to let go of thier belief in FET?Cause if you(or anyone else) can't back it up,you should start thinking"Maybe S/He's got a point..."

Nope.
That would mean that they could be wrong and you can't be wrong if you believe you're right.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2010, 08:32:02 PM »
The international space station.... and the fact we can directly observe it from "down here."
" Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. " - Albert Einstein

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2010, 10:18:26 PM »
The international space station.... and the fact we can directly observe it from "down here."

And also why Jupiter can be seen to spin through any decent telescope, with the naked eye. If it spins it must be round right?