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Debunk this. Check this Flat earth problem video, explaining the longer days in southern hemisphere problem in detail. Please try debunking this.
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Hey,
I'm new here but this is bugging me so I decided to make a thread from the off. It's the main reason I just registered. What I'm wondering is what's in the title. Why don't some of you just get together and organize so that you can have a drone or a balloon sent up as far as possible, with whatever lens you think is best, then you can see the results for yourselves regarding your theories on the lack of curvature of the Earth?
This is a good example of what I'm talking about (even if the lens isn't right for you.), can't some of you get together and sort something like this out? If not, why not?
The simplest absolutely indisputable proof of the shape of the Earth is to stand at the shore of a large body of water, or in a vessel within a large body of water, and observe the horizon carefully. When a vessel within this body approaches unseen land, or is approached by another vessel, it is extremely easy to see the land or vessel slowly appearing from below the visible horizon; by doing some very simple basic trigonometry calculations, you can prove to yourself at what distance your line of sight, based on your height of eye above the surface, can first observe the other object, given that you know the height of the other object, such as a mountain, or a ship's mast, both easily measured. The easily observable fact that these either appear or disappear above or below your visible horizon (which is only a few kilometres or miles away, based upon your height), can only be explained by one answer. You can make a miniature model to prove this to yourself, rather than renting a boat and a mountain, by using a large ball (say a basket ball) and making some plasticine mountains on it, then slowly revolving the ball as you sit in your imaginary ship out at sea, watching the mountain appear and disappear below your toy horizon. I am an expert in spherical trigonometry and astro-navigation (using the stars and planets to navigate around the world), and spent 40 years in the Navy. The first time you take a star-fix to find your position on the earth, and the first time you sail away from all visible land, its pretty obvious what shape the earth is. Have fun out there, and don't get lost!
I know FE fans don't even look out of the window of their basement to confirm or refute evidence, but even looking around the internet seems too much for them now.
http://www.spaceflight101live.com/archive.html
Pages of every noteworthy space flight event, incuding launches and space walks, each with videos ranging from a few minute highlights to several hours full coverage, as well as pictures and relevant facebook updates.
You'd be amazed how much work goes into planning, writing, storyboarding, casting, filming, adding CGI, editing and promoting a film or TV show.
But, does that make them real?
It also makes me cringe how you bozo's mention social media updates as proof of legitimacy. Good one.
So as usual, you have an opinion about a subject, based on profound ignorance, type a few words on a messageboard, and hey presto, absolute evidence about a worldwide conspiracy concerning space travel.
Lol, you people are just the biggest joke around at the moment.
Still waiting for proof to back up your pathetic rants...............................
There must be thousands of people around the world who know about this conspiracy, but as yet no one has spoken up, not one, ever.
I've recently organised a surprise birthday party for a guy at work. We have 25 staff and it took only one to ruin the surprise, just one.
You people are just deluded fools if you think thousands of people can be kept quiet, forever.
Yes, I looked at those images already. Portsmouth Harbour is the small harbour to the right where it says 'Portsmouth' Spithead is the area of water pretty much directly between that harbour and Isle of Wight. From that direction, the shoreline that is being faced it only about 12 miles.
So Rowbotham was mistaken about the basic facts, not just the conclusion. Did the man do anything right?
If the island is 12 miles wide in his view, not 22 as stated, the "bow", grossly exaggerated in Fig. 20., is only about 24 feet, not 80 as claimed. In that case, it would amount to only 0.04% of the 12-mile FOV in the theodolite, not the 0.07% previously estimated using the incorrect length for the island from the observation point.
Fig. 19. is a much, much better representation of (as in "indistinguishable from") the actual view. Fig. 20. is willful misrepresentation to dupe the ignorant. cikljamas falls for stuff like this every time. What does that say?
As for distances, i do not agree, it's vice versa:
Sydney - Cape of Good Hope : 9000 miles
Sydney - Cape Horn : 9500 miles
Google earth, says otherwise.
Sydney - Tierra Del Fuego 5891 miles
Sydney - Cape Town 6802 miles
Can't both be right, I know who I'm betting on.
What's more neither path goes anywhere near the north hemisphere like the Gleason map shows.
What's more neither path goes anywhere near the north hemisphere like the Gleason map shows.
Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school.Now I'm a pervert? Wow.You mentioned a flat Earth map, not the original question.Not true.This means that the distance between Santiago and Sydney is about 7,000 miles, which is impossible on flat earth. Just google for flights.Explain how it is impossible.
So, how do flat-earthers work around this obstacle?
Don't make baseless claims.
You knew that was not a baseless claim
You knew the flat earth map had huge problems
All you have done is waste people time because you enjoy it when others are working to answer your questions. Your questions are only asked to get the other person to dance to your tune.
There is no flat Earth map to have problems.
I was asking him why he thought it was impossible.
This is the debate section.
If you're going to make a claim, you better be ready to back it up.
misdirection. The question does not mention a flat earth map.
You know the flat earth theory has huge problems south of the equator
Flight distances is just one of many massive problems.
You have derailed this thread by refusing to deal with the question raised.
Can I ask what problems you think the theory has south of the equator?
I'm not sure how you can say distances aren't consistent if there's no map.
I've dealt with the question raised.
I am not going to dance to your tune.
This board is full of reasons the flat earth theory is moronic and I know you are not a moron.
You are a pervert who enjoys wasting peoples time
Asking you to explain or substantiate your apparent assertions makes me a puppet master making everyone "dance to my tune" for my own enjoyment?
Maybe you are exaggerating a bit?
If you came from Mars and knew nothing of this world then it would be reasonable to ask questions. If you are a human who has received education, however, asking stupid questions is nothing else but trolling!
If you don't have a flat Earth map, why don't you shut up and stop saying the Earth is flat? You basically know nothing of the world, why should anyone even consider your opinion if you're so ignorant? Just questions. Questions due to lack of knowledge. Questions which have already been answered many times. Questions which no one would ask if they were not trolling.
I've said many times: I'm not a cartographer. I'm sorry. I can't personally produce a flat Earth map, and I'm not sure anyone here who would care to do such a thing is a cartographer either.
If asking questions makes a person an ignorant troll, I would not want to hear your definition of intelligence.
Just because a question has been asked hundreds of times, does not mean the answer is necessarily correct.
I cite for your reference: Any progress that has ever been made by humans.
Pilots report no curvature at commercial cruising altitude.Why do roundies routinely claim that you can see the curvature of the Earth from a beach or even from a plane at cruising altitude?
Nobody has ever claimed that you can see it at sea level and you can only see it from an airplane if you have a really wide field of view that the small airplane windows don't give you.
People have claimed to witnessed curvature on the sea at sea level. It's true. It's not correct and is an illusion, but the claim has been made.
Now I'm a pervert? Wow.You mentioned a flat Earth map, not the original question.Not true.This means that the distance between Santiago and Sydney is about 7,000 miles, which is impossible on flat earth. Just google for flights.Explain how it is impossible.
So, how do flat-earthers work around this obstacle?
Don't make baseless claims.
You knew that was not a baseless claim
You knew the flat earth map had huge problems
All you have done is waste people time because you enjoy it when others are working to answer your questions. Your questions are only asked to get the other person to dance to your tune.
There is no flat Earth map to have problems.
I was asking him why he thought it was impossible.
This is the debate section.
If you're going to make a claim, you better be ready to back it up.
misdirection. The question does not mention a flat earth map.
You know the flat earth theory has huge problems south of the equator
Flight distances is just one of many massive problems.
You have derailed this thread by refusing to deal with the question raised.
Can I ask what problems you think the theory has south of the equator?
I'm not sure how you can say distances aren't consistent if there's no map.
I've dealt with the question raised.
I am not going to dance to your tune.
This board is full of reasons the flat earth theory is moronic and I know you are not a moron.
You are a pervert who enjoys wasting peoples time
Asking you to explain or substantiate your apparent assertions makes me a puppet master making everyone "dance to my tune" for my own enjoyment?
Maybe you are exaggerating a bit?
He has absolutely no idea. This is all an attempt to derail this by saying people are too stupid to realize where they actually are. Too stupid to look at how the sun and stars are moving. Too stupid to pay attention to what time it is. Too stupid to question anything. Apparently every person in the world who doesn't believe in a flat Earth is completely naive.
When pressed, he will squirm into the straw man stuff or he will insult and make out like you are the one lying. Too bad for him, he will always live in his own world, missing out on life and natural beauty. Simply because if the picture, or place he could go see doesn't agree with his world view, it is a lie.
Keep drawing lines tappet.
Actually, the map is extremely similar to the Azimuthal equidistant polar projection of a round Earth.Oh god. Please, if you'd read.That map works perfectly fine. There is no problem with distances.
Are you really claiming you are unaware of the huge problems a flat map creates for distance calculation?
Where you really believing that rowbothams text would satisfy my questions about southwest sunsets south of the equator??
At the moment you are identified by me as a liar. Which is only typical in my estimation for a flat earther
The "flat Earth map" you call into question is a map of the round Earth.
The post directly above yours has a link to the projection, and information about how it works.
You should read it, lest you begin looking ignorant.
This seems like a misdirection. Gleasons map is a flat earth map produced for the book, The earth from a scriptural point of view
So you are now saying the only way that distance calculations work correctly is on a round earth? Pleased to see you agree.
This can't be anything but purposeful disinformation.
I just watched the following video about the solar analemma.
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Can anyone explain (alpha2omega, aliveandkicking etc) why the author is wrong? They claim this proves flat Earth.
Only proves Zetetic Flat Earth is a faithful follower of Rowbotham, No maths, no explanation, just unsupported assertions.
The analemma is a result of the earth's tilt and elliptical orbit, better explanation and maths here http://www.analemma.com
Flat earth theory doesn't even come close to an explanation.
I just watched the following video about the solar analemma.
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Can anyone explain (alpha2omega, aliveandkicking etc) why the author is wrong? They claim this proves flat Earth.
Mainly because he doesn't see that the analemma in the northern hemisphere is a mirrored graph of the one in the southern hemisphere. It's simply misinformation or stupidity.
another question:Mahrai ziller says and you probably say also that when you climb on a mountain by a global model you should see further away, bigger range, why then you won't notice the curvature ?
HAHAha the flat earther the video above seems so convinced this video prove flat earth why is that ?
When talking about the surface of the earth, like salt flats and oceans, the words "level" or "flat" means following the curvature of the earth. ie every part is the same distance from the earth's centre. You don't seem to be able to get your head around this.
Cikljamas, in your diagram, there is clear curvature between the observer and the lighthouse.
But anyway, if you are really convinced the earth is flat, can you please explain the equality of daylight in both hemiplanes?
He is asking: if the world is flat, how come the peak is visible before the base?
The peak is higher after allErrm, this would only matter on a round earth. Otherwise you'd see all of it at once....
Ok, let's stay on topic.
What you suggested is meaningless. Of course, the airplanes disappear below the horizon. Have you even seen an airplane?
By the way, since you suggested the Earth is flat by giving funny arguments, anything I say would be more relevant to the topic than your original post.
Which map do you subscribe to? There is no correct flat Earth map, because it is impossible to draw one.
Please show us a picture of a aeroplane going over the horizon. It doesn't happen.
I already explained that I used my weakest arguments first, but I have a lot of research to reveal.
I subscribe to the earth being a plain at the bottom of the universe. Obviously we only have maps of the known world, but the landmasses are not necessarily where you roundies think they are.
I did read it, and was merely pointing out the obvious reason why the flat earth model can't be made to work.Perhaps there are 10 suns or something.Perhaps the world is a globe. That model works perfectly.
As usual you don't even read what the post is about. I was talking about the current flat Earth model with Antarctica being the ice ring.
