Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs

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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2015, 11:15:19 PM »
This means that the distance between Santiago and Sydney is about 7,000 miles, which is impossible on flat earth.  Just google for flights.
So, how do flat-earthers work around this obstacle?

I think you just got a good illustration of how flat earthers work around obstacles.  ;D 

Lies,  misdirection,  denial,  hand waving,  and quite often as a last resort  insults,  although I admit  th3rm0m3t3r0 has been very polite compared to some.

So it is polite to misdirect lie and waste a persons time?

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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2015, 11:16:14 PM »
This means that the distance between Santiago and Sydney is about 7,000 miles, which is impossible on flat earth.  Just google for flights.
So, how do flat-earthers work around this obstacle?

I think you just got a good illustration of how flat earthers work around obstacles.  ;D 

Lies,  misdirection,  denial,  hand waving,  and quite often as a last resort  insults,  although I admit  th3rm0m3t3r0 has been very polite compared to some.

So it is polite to misdirect lie and waste a persons time?
I haven't done such things.


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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2015, 11:22:37 PM »
This means that the distance between Santiago and Sydney is about 7,000 miles, which is impossible on flat earth.  Just google for flights.
So, how do flat-earthers work around this obstacle?
Explain how it is impossible.
Don't make baseless claims.

You knew that was not a baseless claim

You knew the flat earth map had huge problems

All you have done is waste people time because you enjoy it when others are working to answer your questions.  Your questions are only asked to get the other person to dance to your tune.


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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2015, 11:24:29 PM »
This means that the distance between Santiago and Sydney is about 7,000 miles, which is impossible on flat earth.  Just google for flights.
So, how do flat-earthers work around this obstacle?
Explain how it is impossible.
Don't make baseless claims.

You knew that was not a baseless claim

You knew the flat earth map had huge problems

All you have done is waste people time because you enjoy it when others are working to answer your questions.  Your questions are only asked to get the other person to dance to your tune.
Not true.
There is no flat Earth map to have problems.
I was asking him why he thought it was impossible.
This is the debate section.
If you're going to make a claim, you better be ready to back it up.


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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2015, 11:39:17 PM »
This means that the distance between Santiago and Sydney is about 7,000 miles, which is impossible on flat earth.  Just google for flights.
So, how do flat-earthers work around this obstacle?
Explain how it is impossible.
Don't make baseless claims.

You knew that was not a baseless claim

You knew the flat earth map had huge problems

All you have done is waste people time because you enjoy it when others are working to answer your questions.  Your questions are only asked to get the other person to dance to your tune.
Not true.
There is no flat Earth map to have problems.
I was asking him why he thought it was impossible.
This is the debate section.
If you're going to make a claim, you better be ready to back it up.

misdirection.  The question does not mention a flat earth map.   

You know the flat earth theory has huge problems south of the equator

Flight distances is just one of many massive problems.

You have derailed this thread by refusing to deal with the question raised.


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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2015, 11:51:09 PM »
This means that the distance between Santiago and Sydney is about 7,000 miles, which is impossible on flat earth.  Just google for flights.
So, how do flat-earthers work around this obstacle?
Explain how it is impossible.
Don't make baseless claims.

You knew that was not a baseless claim

You knew the flat earth map had huge problems

All you have done is waste people time because you enjoy it when others are working to answer your questions.  Your questions are only asked to get the other person to dance to your tune.
Not true.
There is no flat Earth map to have problems.
I was asking him why he thought it was impossible.
This is the debate section.
If you're going to make a claim, you better be ready to back it up.

misdirection.  The question does not mention a flat earth map.   

You know the flat earth theory has huge problems south of the equator

Flight distances is just one of many massive problems.

You have derailed this thread by refusing to deal with the question raised.
You mentioned a flat Earth map, not the original question.
Can I ask what problems you think the theory has south of the equator?
I'm not sure how you can say distances aren't consistent if there's no map.
I've dealt with the question raised.


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I am correct.

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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2015, 11:56:10 PM »
This means that the distance between Santiago and Sydney is about 7,000 miles, which is impossible on flat earth.  Just google for flights.
So, how do flat-earthers work around this obstacle?
Explain how it is impossible.
Don't make baseless claims.

You knew that was not a baseless claim

You knew the flat earth map had huge problems

All you have done is waste people time because you enjoy it when others are working to answer your questions.  Your questions are only asked to get the other person to dance to your tune.
Not true.
There is no flat Earth map to have problems.
I was asking him why he thought it was impossible.
This is the debate section.
If you're going to make a claim, you better be ready to back it up.

misdirection.  The question does not mention a flat earth map.   

You know the flat earth theory has huge problems south of the equator

Flight distances is just one of many massive problems.

You have derailed this thread by refusing to deal with the question raised.
You mentioned a flat Earth map, not the original question.
Can I ask what problems you think the theory has south of the equator?
I'm not sure how you can say distances aren't consistent if there's no map.
I've dealt with the question raised.

I am not going to dance to your tune.

This board is full of reasons the flat earth theory is moronic and I know you are not a moron.

You are a pervert who enjoys wasting peoples time

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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2015, 12:09:06 AM »
This means that the distance between Santiago and Sydney is about 7,000 miles, which is impossible on flat earth.  Just google for flights.
So, how do flat-earthers work around this obstacle?
Explain how it is impossible.
Don't make baseless claims.

You knew that was not a baseless claim

You knew the flat earth map had huge problems

All you have done is waste people time because you enjoy it when others are working to answer your questions.  Your questions are only asked to get the other person to dance to your tune.
Not true.
There is no flat Earth map to have problems.
I was asking him why he thought it was impossible.
This is the debate section.
If you're going to make a claim, you better be ready to back it up.

misdirection.  The question does not mention a flat earth map.   

You know the flat earth theory has huge problems south of the equator

Flight distances is just one of many massive problems.

You have derailed this thread by refusing to deal with the question raised.
You mentioned a flat Earth map, not the original question.
Can I ask what problems you think the theory has south of the equator?
I'm not sure how you can say distances aren't consistent if there's no map.
I've dealt with the question raised.

I am not going to dance to your tune.

This board is full of reasons the flat earth theory is moronic and I know you are not a moron.

You are a pervert who enjoys wasting peoples time
Now I'm a pervert? Wow.
Asking you to explain or substantiate your apparent assertions makes me a puppet master making everyone "dance to my tune" for my own enjoyment?
Maybe you are exaggerating a bit?


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I am correct.

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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2015, 12:46:29 AM »
This means that the distance between Santiago and Sydney is about 7,000 miles, which is impossible on flat earth.  Just google for flights.
So, how do flat-earthers work around this obstacle?
Explain how it is impossible.
Don't make baseless claims.

You knew that was not a baseless claim

You knew the flat earth map had huge problems

All you have done is waste people time because you enjoy it when others are working to answer your questions.  Your questions are only asked to get the other person to dance to your tune.
Not true.
There is no flat Earth map to have problems.
I was asking him why he thought it was impossible.
This is the debate section.
If you're going to make a claim, you better be ready to back it up.

misdirection.  The question does not mention a flat earth map.   

You know the flat earth theory has huge problems south of the equator

Flight distances is just one of many massive problems.

You have derailed this thread by refusing to deal with the question raised.
You mentioned a flat Earth map, not the original question.
Can I ask what problems you think the theory has south of the equator?
I'm not sure how you can say distances aren't consistent if there's no map.
I've dealt with the question raised.

I am not going to dance to your tune.

This board is full of reasons the flat earth theory is moronic and I know you are not a moron.

You are a pervert who enjoys wasting peoples time
Now I'm a pervert? Wow.
Asking you to explain or substantiate your apparent assertions makes me a puppet master making everyone "dance to my tune" for my own enjoyment?
Maybe you are exaggerating a bit?

If you came from Mars and knew nothing of this world then it would be reasonable to ask questions. If you are a human who has received education, however, asking stupid questions is nothing else but trolling!

If you don't have a flat Earth map, why don't you shut up and stop saying the Earth is flat? You basically know nothing of the world, why should anyone even consider your opinion if you're so ignorant? Just questions. Questions due to lack of knowledge. Questions which have already been answered many times. Questions which no one would ask if they were not trolling.

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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2015, 12:57:47 AM »
This means that the distance between Santiago and Sydney is about 7,000 miles, which is impossible on flat earth.  Just google for flights.
So, how do flat-earthers work around this obstacle?
Explain how it is impossible.
Don't make baseless claims.

You knew that was not a baseless claim

You knew the flat earth map had huge problems

All you have done is waste people time because you enjoy it when others are working to answer your questions.  Your questions are only asked to get the other person to dance to your tune.
Not true.
There is no flat Earth map to have problems.
I was asking him why he thought it was impossible.
This is the debate section.
If you're going to make a claim, you better be ready to back it up.

misdirection.  The question does not mention a flat earth map.   

You know the flat earth theory has huge problems south of the equator

Flight distances is just one of many massive problems.

You have derailed this thread by refusing to deal with the question raised.
You mentioned a flat Earth map, not the original question.
Can I ask what problems you think the theory has south of the equator?
I'm not sure how you can say distances aren't consistent if there's no map.
I've dealt with the question raised.

I am not going to dance to your tune.

This board is full of reasons the flat earth theory is moronic and I know you are not a moron.

You are a pervert who enjoys wasting peoples time
Now I'm a pervert? Wow.
Asking you to explain or substantiate your apparent assertions makes me a puppet master making everyone "dance to my tune" for my own enjoyment?
Maybe you are exaggerating a bit?

If you came from Mars and knew nothing of this world then it would be reasonable to ask questions. If you are a human who has received education, however, asking stupid questions is nothing else but trolling!

If you don't have a flat Earth map, why don't you shut up and stop saying the Earth is flat? You basically know nothing of the world, why should anyone even consider your opinion if you're so ignorant? Just questions. Questions due to lack of knowledge. Questions which have already been answered many times. Questions which no one would ask if they were not trolling.
Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school.
I've said many times: I'm not a cartographer. I'm sorry. I can't personally produce a flat Earth map, and I'm not sure anyone here who would care to do such a thing is a cartographer either.
If asking questions makes a person an ignorant troll, I would not want to hear your definition of intelligence.
Just because a question has been asked hundreds of times, does not mean the answer is necessarily correct.
I cite for your reference: Any progress that has ever been made by humans.
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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2015, 02:35:27 AM »
This means that the distance between Santiago and Sydney is about 7,000 miles, which is impossible on flat earth.  Just google for flights.
So, how do flat-earthers work around this obstacle?
Explain how it is impossible.
Don't make baseless claims.

You knew that was not a baseless claim

You knew the flat earth map had huge problems

All you have done is waste people time because you enjoy it when others are working to answer your questions.  Your questions are only asked to get the other person to dance to your tune.
Not true.
There is no flat Earth map to have problems.
I was asking him why he thought it was impossible.
This is the debate section.
If you're going to make a claim, you better be ready to back it up.

misdirection.  The question does not mention a flat earth map.   

You know the flat earth theory has huge problems south of the equator

Flight distances is just one of many massive problems.

You have derailed this thread by refusing to deal with the question raised.
You mentioned a flat Earth map, not the original question.
Can I ask what problems you think the theory has south of the equator?
I'm not sure how you can say distances aren't consistent if there's no map.
I've dealt with the question raised.

I am not going to dance to your tune.

This board is full of reasons the flat earth theory is moronic and I know you are not a moron.

You are a pervert who enjoys wasting peoples time
Now I'm a pervert? Wow.
Asking you to explain or substantiate your apparent assertions makes me a puppet master making everyone "dance to my tune" for my own enjoyment?
Maybe you are exaggerating a bit?

If you came from Mars and knew nothing of this world then it would be reasonable to ask questions. If you are a human who has received education, however, asking stupid questions is nothing else but trolling!

If you don't have a flat Earth map, why don't you shut up and stop saying the Earth is flat? You basically know nothing of the world, why should anyone even consider your opinion if you're so ignorant? Just questions. Questions due to lack of knowledge. Questions which have already been answered many times. Questions which no one would ask if they were not trolling.
Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school.
I've said many times: I'm not a cartographer. I'm sorry. I can't personally produce a flat Earth map, and I'm not sure anyone here who would care to do such a thing is a cartographer either.
If asking questions makes a person an ignorant troll, I would not want to hear your definition of intelligence.
Just because a question has been asked hundreds of times, does not mean the answer is necessarily correct.
I cite for your reference: Any progress that has ever been made by humans.

If you were asking questions to learn, you wouldn't say that the answers you're given are nonsense. Someone who is ignorant listens and learns. Doesn't act like he knows better and agrees with the answers he is given. That is not the behavior of someone ignorant, that is the behavior of a troll who wants people to waste their time explaining obvious things to him. If you don't know anything you don't have the right to debate. You need to be knowledgeable in order to participate in a debate.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2015, 02:38:07 AM by Saros »

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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2015, 02:45:36 AM »
Yes, yes, there is not flat earth map.  We get the idea.

The biggest problem is not necessarily that they cannot produce a meaningful map (though clearly a huge problem).  The biggest problem is that all the maps based on a globe work perfectly.

If the world were actually flat then all of our current globular maps would be horribly broken. 

Game Over for flat earth.
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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2015, 03:17:26 AM »
WHY ZETETIC FLAT EARTH U.N. MAP IS CORRECT? Step by step common sense analysis. : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

GAME OVER FOR ROUND EARTHERS!
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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2015, 04:38:01 AM »
WHY ZETETIC FLAT EARTH U.N. MAP IS CORRECT? Step by step common sense analysis. : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

GAME OVER FOR ROUND EARTHERS!

I'd reconsider putting that forward as an argument for flat earth,   That's Nina "Zetetic Flat Earth"  really well made video's  well meaning but misinformed.   She used the Gleason map for calculating distances, and didn't we just dispose of map earlier in this thread.   Also the argument for no sunlight south of 80S on december 21,  is just plain BS, we have plenty of evidence of 24 hour sunlight  at 90S.

This is from the video you just linked to.



Do you agree with these distances?


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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2015, 04:45:22 AM »
WHY ZETETIC FLAT EARTH U.N. MAP IS CORRECT? Step by step common sense analysis. : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

GAME OVER FOR ROUND EARTHERS!

I'd reconsider putting that forward as an argument for flat earth,   That's Nina "Zetetic Flat Earth"  really well made video's  well meaning but misinformed.   She used the Gleason map for calculating distances, and didn't we just dispose of map earlier in this thread.   Also the argument for no sunlight south of 80S on december 21,  is just plain BS, we have plenty of evidence of 24 hour sunlight  at 90S.

This is from the video you just linked to.



Do you agree with these distances?

There is some sunlight south of 80S, but it's more like twilight (during the southern summer), i would say, and during the southern winter it's total darkness.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=63538.msg1685849#msg1685849

As for distances, i do not agree, it's vice versa:

Sydney - Cape of Good Hope : 9000 miles
Sydney - Cape Horn : 9500 miles
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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2015, 05:11:07 AM »

As for distances, i do not agree, it's vice versa:

Sydney - Cape of Good Hope : 9000 miles
Sydney - Cape Horn : 9500 miles

Google earth,   says otherwise.

Sydney  - Tierra Del Fuego    5891 miles
Sydney -  Cape Town              6802 miles

Can't both be right,  I know who I'm betting on.

What's more neither path goes anywhere near the north hemisphere like the Gleason map shows.


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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #46 on: May 19, 2015, 05:54:57 AM »

As for distances, i do not agree, it's vice versa:

Sydney - Cape of Good Hope : 9000 miles
Sydney - Cape Horn : 9500 miles

Google earth,   says otherwise.

Sydney  - Tierra Del Fuego    5891 miles
Sydney -  Cape Town              6802 miles

Can't both be right,  I know who I'm betting on.

What's more neither path goes anywhere near the north hemisphere like the Gleason map shows.

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What's more neither path goes anywhere near the north hemisphere like the Gleason map shows.

That should be enough for anyone with common sense to ignore the whole thing.

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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #47 on: May 19, 2015, 08:12:37 AM »
Just to illustrate the folly of believing flat earth youtube videos.    This video in particular by Nina aka "Zetetic Flat Earth"  " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">   since it has flight time information is worth looking at further. 

The video author has obviously never bought international tickets and doesn't understand the one free stop option.    This is where you buy a ticket from Sao Paulo to Johannesburg, and you can nominate a single stop over, which you get to choose from whatever options are available, in this case one of the options is to spend a few days in London for the same ticket price... 



Instead of trying to find out why you would fly to London,  the video author with pre-conceived notions in mind starts a train of thought that is just plain stupid, suggesting that this is the round earth way to fly from Sao Paulo to Jo'burg..  WTF


And the goes on to point out that the flat earth model using the Gleason map, makes more sense..  well no it doesn't  just goes to show how stupid the author is.


Here is the real flight path on Google Earth.


And here are the real flight arrival and departure times.


Sao Paulo is UTC-3:00 and Johannesburg is UTC+2:00 ,  so departs at 9:00PM UTC and arrives 5:25AM the following morning,  that's  8 hours 25 minutes flying time.

I'm guessing the author of the video has made an honest mistake,  I can sympathise,  but it is so easy to check these sort of facts before going to commit to a video,  for that sake of the hundreds of gullible fools who
will just accept it as being true and so the misinformation and lies propagate.

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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2015, 08:21:09 AM »
THIS IS GOING TO SETTLE THE MATTER...LET'S GO STEP BY STEP...

STEP 1 :

Did you know commercial airlines don't fly over the Antarctica?  Surely these routes would be much quicker (if we were on a ball earth).



They say the ETOPs regulations mean planes have to be near an emergency airport……so how many airports exist in the south pacific?   hehe (even though man can walk on the moon and send spaceships to mars, flying over some snow is far too dangerous…..heheh).
They say this is the routes for commercial planes…..



But do some plane searches between Chile, Argentina, New Zealand, South Africa, and Oz, you will be astounded at what you will find!  All with stop overs, and if you find a direct flight (very rare) the duration in the air doesn't add up!

From wiki Polar Route:   “Although direct flights between South Africa and New Zealand would overfly Antarctica, there never have been direct flights between those countries.”

STEP 2 :

Why do commercial airplanes not fly over Antarctica, even though it would often be quicker than flying around it?

Great circle route...



It's not "quicker" to fly "around" Antarctica—it's slower to fly over it.



According to your map, that same flight going to Perth should be flying over pretty much the south pole.  Does this happen in real life?

STEP 3 :

According to your map, that same flight going to Perth should be flying over pretty much the south pole.  Does this happen in real life?

No.   There are no flights from Perth to Ezeiza International Airport in South America.  One has to fly from Perth to Sydney.

How about between Perth to anywhere in the southern tip of SA?

STEP 4 :

Airplanes fly above the weather.  Try again.

STEP 5 :

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If we know the proximate distance between any two places, in the south, on or about the same latitude, and have the difference of solar time at these two places, we can calculate, accordingly, the length of a degree of longitude at that latitude. Such elements we have from the map, recently published, of New Zealand, in the "Australian Handbook, Almanack, and Shippers' and Importers' Directory, for the Year 1872." 1 It is there stated that the distance (mail route) between Sydney and Nelson is 1400 miles (sea measure), equal to 1633 statute miles. From this distance it is proper to deduct fully 50 miles for the distance in rounding Cape Farewell and sailing up Tasman Bay, at the head of which Nelson is situated. But if we allow 83 miles, which is more than sufficient, we have the straight-line distance, from the meridian of Sydney to the meridian of Nelson, as 1550 statute miles. The two places are nearly on the same latitude, and the difference in longitude is 22° 2´ 14″. 2 The whole matter now becomes a mere arithmetical question: if 22° 2´ 14″ give 1550 statute miles, what will 360° give? The answer is 25,182 miles. Hence, a 360th part of this distance is one degree; and the length of such degree is nearly 70 miles. But upon a globe, such as modern astronomers affirm the earth to be, the length of a degree at the latitude of Sydney would be 49.74 nautical miles, or 58 statute miles. Hence we find that the actual length of a degree of longitude at the latitude of Sydney is nearly 12 miles longer than it could possibly be if the earth is a globe of 25,000 miles' equatorial or maximum circumference; and the distance round the earth, at that latitude, is 25,182 statute miles, instead of 20,920, the difference between theory and fact being 4262 miles.

If, now, we take, from the same map, the distance between Melbourne and Bluff Harbour, South New Zealand--1400 nautical, or 1633 statute miles--and take the difference of longitude between the two places, allowing 50 statute miles for the angular or diagonal direction of the route to Bluff Harbour, we find the degrees of longitude fully 70 statute miles; whereas, at the average latitude of the two places, viz., 42° S., the degrees, if the earth is a globe, would be less than 54 statute miles; thus showing that in the south, where the length of a degree of longitude should be 54 miles, it is really 70 miles, or 16 miles longer than would be possible according to the theory of the earth's rotundity.

From the above two cases we also find that the degrees of longitude at the latitude of Bluff Harbour, on the southern point of New Zealand, are somewhat longer than the degrees between Sydney and Nelson, where they ought to be--if the earth is globular--several miles less; and also that, according to the same doctrine, there is an excess of 7466 statute miles in the whole circumference. Read more : http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za42.htm



Can someone explain these differences:

According to map published in the "Australian Handbook, Almanack, and Shippers' and Importers' Directory, for the Year 1872", and after proper (and even more than sufficient) deduction of certain number of miles, we get these results:

Sydney - Nelson : 1550 miles (2480 km)
Melbourne - Bluff Harbour : 1583 miles (2532 km)

According to Google maps above distances are incorrect, let's see for how much:

Sydney - Nelson : 1310 miles (2107 km)
Melbourne - Bluff Harbour : 1335 miles (2149 km)

The differences between these two estimations:

Sydney - Nelson : 240 miles (373 km) 16,5 %
Melbourne - Bluff Harbour : 250 miles (383 km) 16,5 %

STEP 6 :

Year 1888, that is 7 years after Rowbotham's last edition of his "Earth not a globe"...Quite enough time for covering up operation...But they cannot cover up everything...

During Captain James Clark Ross’s voyages around the Antarctic circumference, he often wrote in his journal perplexed at how they routinely found themselves out of accordance with their charts, stating that they found themselves an average of 12-16 miles outside their reckoning every day, some days as much as 29 miles. Lieutenant Charles Wilkes commanded a United States Navy exploration expedition to the Antarctic from August 18th, 1838 to June 10th, 1842, almost four years spent “exploring and surveying the Southern ocean.” In his journals Lieutenant Wilkes also mentioned being consistently east of his reckoning, sometimes over 20 miles in less than 18 hours.

“February 11th, 1822, at noon, in latitude 65.53. S. our chronometers gave 44 miles more westing than the log in three days. On 22nd of April (1822), in latitude 54.16. S. our longitude by chronometers was 46.49, and by D.R. (dead reckoning) 47° 11´: On 2nd May (1822), at noon, in latitude 53.46. S., our longitude by chronometers was 59° 27´, and by D.R. 61° 6´. October 14th, in latitude 58.6, longitude by chronometers 62° 46´, by account 65° 24´. In latitude 59.7. S., longitude by chronometers was 63° 28´, by account 66° 42´. In latitude 61.49. S., longitude by chronometers was 61° 53´, by account 66° 38´.” -Captain James Weddell, “Voyages Towards the South Pole”

“In the southern hemisphere, navigators to India have often fancied themselves east of the Cape when still west, and have been driven ashore on the African coast, which, according to their reckoning, lay behind them. This misfortune happened to a fine frigate, the Challenger, in 1845. How came Her Majesty’s Ship ‘Conqueror,’ to be lost? How have so many other noble vessels, perfectly sound, perfectly manned, perfectly navigated, been wrecked in calm weather, not only in dark night, or in a fog, but in broad daylight and sunshine - in the former case upon the coasts, in the latter, upon sunken rocks - from being ‘out of reckoning,’ under circumstances which until now, have baffled every satisfactory explanation.” -Rev. Thomas Milner, “Tour Through Creation”

The equatorial circumference of the supposed ball-Earth is said to be 24,900 statute or 21,600 nautical miles. A nautical mile is the distance, following the supposed curvature of the Earth, from one minute of latitude to the next. A statue mile is the straight line distance between the two, not taking into account Earth’s alleged curvature.

From near Cape Horn, Chile to Port Philip in Melbourne, Australia the distance is 9,000 miles. These two places are 143 degrees of longitude from each other. Therefore the whole extent of the Earth’s circumference is a mere arithmetical question. If 143 degrees make 9,000 miles, what will be the distance made by the whole 360 degrees into which the surface is divided? The answer is, 22,657 miles; or, 8357 miles more than the theory of rotundity would permit. It must be borne in mind, however, that the above distances are nautical measure, which, reduced to statute miles, gives the actual distance round the Southern region at a given latitude as 26,433 statute miles; or nearly 1,500 miles more than the largest circumference ever assigned to the Earth at the equator.



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The “Australian Handbook, Almanack, Shippers’ and Importers’ Directory” states that the distance between Sydney and Nelson is 1400 nautical or 1633 statute miles. Allowing a more than sufficient 83 miles as the distance for rounding Cape Farewell and sailing up Tasman Bay to Nelson leaves 1550 statute miles as the straight-line distance from the meridian of Sydney to the meridian of Nelson. Their given difference in longitude is 22 degrees 2’14”. Therefore if 22 degrees 2’14” out of 360 is 1550 miles, the entirety measures 25,182 miles. This is larger than the Earth is said to be at the equator, and 4262 miles greater than it would be at Sydney’s southern latitude on a globe of said proportions! One 360th part of 25,182 gives 70 miles as the distance between each degree of longitude at Sydney’s 34 degree Southern latitude. On a globe 25,000 miles in equatorial circumference, however, degrees of longitude at 34 degrees latitude would be only 58 miles, a full 12 miles per degree less than reality. This perfectly explains why Ross and other navigators in the deep South experienced 12+ mile daily discrepancies between their reckoning and reality, the farther South travelled the farther the divide.

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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #49 on: May 19, 2015, 08:31:38 AM »
Did you know commercial airlines don't fly over the Antarctica?  Surely these routes would be much quicker (if we were on a ball earth).

You have proof of that?
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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2015, 09:30:37 AM »
Flights do indeed not go over Antarctica for various reasons. As for nonstop flights, it's quite easy to find flights from South America to Africa and Africa to Australia. Every time someone claims it's difficult, they are wrong.
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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2015, 09:31:18 AM »
The equatorial circumference of the supposed ball-Earth is said to be 24,900 statute or 21,600 nautical miles. A nautical mile is the distance, following the supposed curvature of the Earth, from one minute of latitude to the next. A statue mile is the straight line distance between the two, not taking into account Earth’s alleged curvature.

From near Cape Horn, Chile to Port Philip in Melbourne, Australia the distance is 9,000 miles. These two places are 143 degrees of longitude from each other. Therefore the whole extent of the Earth’s circumference is a mere arithmetical question. If 143 degrees make 9,000 miles, what will be the distance made by the whole 360 degrees into which the surface is divided? The answer is, 22,657 miles; or, 8357 miles more than the theory of rotundity would permit. It must be borne in mind, however, that the above distances are nautical measure, which, reduced to statute miles, gives the actual distance round the Southern region at a given latitude as 26,433 statute miles; or nearly 1,500 miles more than the largest circumference ever assigned to the Earth at the equator.



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You just keep digging the hole deeper,  don't you.   Your blunder this time is that you've swapped kilometers for miles,   it's not 9000 miles from Melbourne to Cape Horn it's 9000 kilometers,  or 5800 miles your own calculator says it, and you in your  incompetent way  misread it.   

So,  143 degrees makes  5800 miles,  so 360 degrees would be 14,600 miles not the 22.657 you incorrectly claim.   But the flight path doesn't follow the lines of lattitude, it follows the great circle route, so the logic behind the calculation is fatally flawed.   

You would have made a good travelling companion for Rowbotham,  both utterly incompetent.

THIS IS WHY WE HAVE ALL THE REASONS TO BELIEVE ROWBOTHAM'S WORDS, NOT THE WORDS OF NASA SHILLS...SO WE CAN REPEAT:

The “Australian Handbook, Almanack, Shippers’ and Importers’ Directory” states that the distance between Sydney and Nelson is 1400 nautical or 1633 statute miles. Allowing a more than sufficient 83 miles as the distance for rounding Cape Farewell and sailing up Tasman Bay to Nelson leaves 1550 statute miles as the straight-line distance from the meridian of Sydney to the meridian of Nelson. Their given difference in longitude is 22 degrees 2’14”. Therefore if 22 degrees 2’14” out of 360 is 1550 miles, the entirety measures 25,182 miles. This is larger than the Earth is said to be at the equator, and 4262 miles greater than it would be at Sydney’s southern latitude on a globe of said proportions! One 360th part of 25,182 gives 70 miles as the distance between each degree of longitude at Sydney’s 34 degree Southern latitude. On a globe 25,000 miles in equatorial circumference, however, degrees of longitude at 34 degrees latitude would be only 58 miles, a full 12 miles per degree less than reality. This perfectly explains why Ross and other navigators in the deep South experienced 12+ mile daily discrepancies between their reckoning and reality, the farther South travelled the farther the divide.

What Rowbotham missed out on was that the latitude for Nelson and Sydney are different, so  taking the shipping information and just the difference between the meridians, is going to be way out.

In fact the distance between E173 and E151 ( rounded out to 22 degrees difference )  is  roughly 1300  miles,  not the 1550 Rowbotham claims. 
That equates to a circumference at 34 S of approx 21,000 miles,  ( ~58 miles per degree )  not the 70 miles claimed by Rowbotham.



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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2015, 10:25:57 AM »
This means that the distance between Santiago and Sydney is about 7,000 miles, which is impossible on flat earth.  Just google for flights.
So, how do flat-earthers work around this obstacle?
Explain how it is impossible.
Don't make baseless claims.

You knew that was not a baseless claim

You knew the flat earth map had huge problems

All you have done is waste people time because you enjoy it when others are working to answer your questions.  Your questions are only asked to get the other person to dance to your tune.
Not true.
There is no flat Earth map to have problems.
I was asking him why he thought it was impossible.
This is the debate section.
If you're going to make a claim, you better be ready to back it up.

misdirection.  The question does not mention a flat earth map.   

You know the flat earth theory has huge problems south of the equator

Flight distances is just one of many massive problems.

You have derailed this thread by refusing to deal with the question raised.
You mentioned a flat Earth map, not the original question.
Can I ask what problems you think the theory has south of the equator?
I'm not sure how you can say distances aren't consistent if there's no map.
I've dealt with the question raised.

I am not going to dance to your tune.

This board is full of reasons the flat earth theory is moronic and I know you are not a moron.

You are a pervert who enjoys wasting peoples time
Now I'm a pervert? Wow.
Asking you to explain or substantiate your apparent assertions makes me a puppet master making everyone "dance to my tune" for my own enjoyment?
Maybe you are exaggerating a bit?

If you came from Mars and knew nothing of this world then it would be reasonable to ask questions. If you are a human who has received education, however, asking stupid questions is nothing else but trolling!

If you don't have a flat Earth map, why don't you shut up and stop saying the Earth is flat? You basically know nothing of the world, why should anyone even consider your opinion if you're so ignorant? Just questions. Questions due to lack of knowledge. Questions which have already been answered many times. Questions which no one would ask if they were not trolling.
Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school.
I've said many times: I'm not a cartographer. I'm sorry. I can't personally produce a flat Earth map, and I'm not sure anyone here who would care to do such a thing is a cartographer either.
If asking questions makes a person an ignorant troll, I would not want to hear your definition of intelligence.
Just because a question has been asked hundreds of times, does not mean the answer is necessarily correct.
I cite for your reference: Any progress that has ever been made by humans.

If you were asking questions to learn, you wouldn't say that the answers you're given are nonsense. Someone who is ignorant listens and learns. Doesn't act like he knows better and agrees with the answers he is given. That is not the behavior of someone ignorant, that is the behavior of a troll who wants people to waste their time explaining obvious things to him. If you don't know anything you don't have the right to debate. You need to be knowledgeable in order to participate in a debate.
Where have I done that?
I never claimed ignorance, you've claimed my ignorance.
I didn't realize you were the one calling those types of shots.


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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #53 on: May 19, 2015, 10:54:15 AM »
Cikljamas, planes don't fly over Antarctica because the Earth's magnetic field directs harmful Solar radiation there.  Planes don't fly over the North Pole for the same reason.  It's very easy to measure the higher radiation levels there and it's worth spending a bit of fuel and a few extra hours of flight to avoid it.
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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #54 on: May 19, 2015, 11:10:17 AM »
Cikljamas, planes don't fly over Antarctica because the Earth's magnetic field directs harmful Solar radiation there.  Planes don't fly over the North Pole for the same reason.  It's very easy to measure the higher radiation levels there and it's worth spending a bit of fuel and a few extra hours of flight to avoid it.

No that's not the reason,  there are multiple flights every day during the summer to Antarctic research stations,  including to the Amundsen Scott  South Pole Station.

There are quite a few routine flights that cross  antarctica,   QF63 Sydney to Johannesburg  flies as far south as 71S  depending on winds,   which is over the polar ice cap.
LA800 Auckland to Santiago is another.  Not as far south as QF63 however. 
There aren't many places to fly to that would take you directly over the pole.    Perth - Santiago might come close.


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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #55 on: May 19, 2015, 11:55:02 AM »
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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #56 on: May 19, 2015, 09:29:35 PM »
One of silkpajamas smarter friends?
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Re: Flight from Santiago to Sydney only 14hrs
« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2015, 07:24:22 PM »
THIS IS GOING TO SETTLE THE MATTER

Wow, you completely and unarguably proved FE and tore RE to shreds. Everyone is completely blown away by your amazing post, and every round-earther has converted. The media is desperately trying to determine your location to get an interview with this revolutionary genius, and people everywhere are rising up against NASA to usher in a new age of self-determination and peace.

“Although direct flights between South Africa and New Zealand would overfly Antarctica, there never have been direct flights between those countries.”

Do you think that there's much demand for South Africa - New Zealand trips? That's like saying that the Atlantic is impossible to fly over because there's no direct flights from Lima to Lagos.
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