No shit, Sherlock. So how about an example of how many divisions you suggest for just one event in one competition?
Again, my objection is to the sexist divisions.
I don't mind how many performance based divisions there are.
I know that’s what you think.
It isn't merely what I think, it is based upon what you have said.
If you want to account for differences in physiology without being sexist, you do it based upon the individual, not their sex.
Doing it based upon their sex, unless it is a case of sex actually being able to correctly divide so all males fall into the "male" category and all females would fall into the "female" category, is nothing more than sexism.
So if you want it to be that women aren't fast enough to compete with men, you need it to be all men being faster.
But you told me that when I’m complaining about your nonsensical idea, I’m “really” complaining about the system as it is now.
No, I point out that these issues you are complaining about already exist in the current system which you ignore because you are happy with that sexism.
Yes. You claim to have better system, so you should be able to describe a system coherently that stands up to scrutiny.
No, I claim removing the discrimination based upon sex is inherently a better system due to removing that sexism.
So what the hell did you mean by the bit I was replying to, pasted back in above?
I mean what I said.
If you want the divisions you can have multiple divisions and send in the best for that division, while those in that division that are not the best are excluded.
But no, it’s not the same at all. They send the best boxers and weight lifters they can for each class.
As they would with this.
Class vs division is just semantics.
And hiding behind weight, being used as a proxy for ability, doesn't help you either.
If the featherweight wants to get stronger, by building more muscle mass, they get excluded.
The athletes would no longer just try to be as good as they can, but moderate their performance to try and hit the exact arbitrary window that someone needs to set.
Yes, as they already do in boxing.
This shouldn't be surprising.
With boxing, if they just cared about being as good as they can be, they wouldn't care about weight. But instead, they train and do whatever they can to remain just below the entirely arbitrary threshold.
So if this wrecks the entire nature of competitive sport, then it is already wrecked.
Had to search back a bit to cherry pick a quote where I didn’t quite explain it properly, didn’t you?
No, I just decided to go for one near the start of the thread, to avoid issues of you claiming it is out of context.
You then try to reframe it in a way where you can pretend you aren't objecting to that so you can pretend that sending women and finding the best woman, even though they aren't the best overall is fine.
I haven’t even gotten round to team sports before, which would be an even bigger clusterfuck.
So why not stick to individual sports until that is settled?
I can pull your stupid idea apart for being stupid without even mentioning sex, which shows that I don’t use sexist BS.
Including against the simple one where there are no divisions at all? Where the objection then is that people of a particular sex wont be able to compete?
Where the divisions would only be necessary to keep those people of a particular sex being able to compete?
So how about that, entirely forget about the divisions for now, which is really just a way to appease people like you, and instead try arguing against just removing divisions entirely so there is just the event and you find the best. Try arguing against that without mentioning sex or even implicitly linking to it.
What is wrong with a such a system?
For example, at the olympics, for running, there is a 100 m sprint, a 200 m sprint, a 400 m sprint, a 50 km marathon and so on; as well as high jump, pole vault, boxing, long jump, discus, shot put, weightlifting, etc.
Where each event (e.g. the 100 m sprint) is open to all, without division.
And then you find the best athlete at that event. (And in the case of events where the athletes make a number, also the 2nd and 3rd. For knockout events, just the first.)
I have NEVER pretended that the best women are anything but the best of the women.
Which is just continuing with the sexism.
They key part is that they are not the best athlete, so complaining about not having the best compete applies to the current system.
You cannot object to countries sending in the "mediocre" or complaining about people being excluded for being too good or better athletes not being able to go while worse athletes can go to represent their country.