Little boy bullied for wearing skirts; father starts wearing them too.

This story is an example of liberalism going too far.

 

Other kids will get used to it, or he'll get sick of wearing dresses.  As long as teachers aren't bullying him this sort of thing goes away once kids get used to things being different.

You and others are blowing this out of proportion.  Please do tell us about how rampant political correctness is destroying society, though, or whatever other wisdom you've learned from chain emails.

Other kids will get used to it

Lol.

Please do tell us about how rampant political correctness is destroying society, though, or whatever other wisdom you've learned from chain emails.

Because this was hinted at in Roundy's post? Here:

You [...] are blowing this out of proportion. 

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 31, 2012, 11:24:39 PM

This story is an example of liberalism going too far.

 

Other kids will get used to it, or he'll get sick of wearing dresses.  As long as teachers aren't bullying him this sort of thing goes away once kids get used to things being different.

How idealistic of you.

You and others are blowing this out of proportion.  Please do tell us about how rampant political correctness is destroying society, though, or whatever other wisdom you've learned from chain emails.

To paraphrase Rushy, wut?

Lol is the best response you can come up with?  Kids get used to things, especially if the adults around them aren't freaking out about it and the child in question stands up for him or herself.  Considering that the kid here has a supportive father I don't think he's just going to crumple up into a ball of depression when other kids make fun of him.

I can speak from experience here, actually.  As a stubborn child in kindergarten, I insisted on playing the part of the mother in little games of house.  The teacher didn't scold me and when kids told me I was being a girl I said that I thought girls were great so what was the big deal?  They got used to it, I got to play the part of the mom, and eventually I got sick of playing house and moved onto other things.

It was no big deal.

I've also spent a great deal of time in kindergarten and first grade classes, as both my mom and grandma taught at that level.  I don't think you guys really know what you're talking about, honestly.

Well, considering that you completely misrepresented what I was saying, and clearly have no idea of my political leanings, it's frankly all I thought your response was worth.

Lol was Rushy's response.  Please do pay attention.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 01, 2012, 12:34:28 AM

Well, considering that you completely misrepresented what I was saying, and clearly have no idea of my political leanings, it's frankly all I thought your response was worth.

Lol was Rushy's response.  Please do pay attention.

How do you know that Roundy did not laugh out loud at your post in response to it? You did not say "'Lol' was your best response," you said "Lol was your best response" implying use of the acronym, not a quotation of my post.

The deletion of that post is clearly an omission of error.

You and others are blowing this out of proportion.  Please do tell us about how rampant political correctness is destroying society, though, or whatever other wisdom you've learned from chain emails.

Slow down there, bro. Thork hasn't even posted yet.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 01, 2012, 12:34:28 AM

Well, considering that you completely misrepresented what I was saying, and clearly have no idea of my political leanings, it's frankly all I thought your response was worth.

Lol was Rushy's response.  Please do pay attention.

Yeah, that's why I removed the post.  I see you chose to make this post anyway.  How smug of you.

At any rate, you did completely misrepresent my position.  It speaks volumes.

Lol is the best response you can come up with?  Kids get used to things, especially if the adults around them aren't freaking out about it and the child in question stands up for him or herself.  Considering that the kid here has a supportive father I don't think he's just going to crumple up into a ball of depression when other kids make fun of him.

I can speak from experience here, actually.  As a stubborn child in kindergarten, I insisted on playing the part of the mother in little games of house.  The teacher didn't scold me and when kids told me I was being a girl I said that I thought girls were great so what was the big deal?  They got used to it, I got to play the part of the mom, and eventually I got sick of playing house and moved onto other things.

It was no big deal.

I've also spent a great deal of time in kindergarten and first grade classes, as both my mom and grandma taught at that level.  I don't think you guys really know what you're talking about, honestly.

Well, according to the article he is still being teased.  I'm not sure you're as in touch with the kids as you think you are.  His behavior is making him an outcast, and it will only get worse if he continues doing it (and again, his dad is not helping by supporting it).

The deletion of that post is clearly an omission of error.

I don't think that phrase means what you think it does.  Perhaps you meant to use some other word besides "omission"?

Well, according to the article he is still being teased. 

Yes, kids often get teased about many things.

I'm not sure you're as in touch with the kids as you think you are.  His behavior is making him an outcast,

Really, a complete outcast?  Or are certain kids just teasing him?

and it will only get worse if he continues doing it (and again, his dad is not helping by supporting it).

You assume it will get worse.

Guys, you're forgetting the most important part: dresses don't look good on men.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 01, 2012, 12:48:03 AM

Well, according to the article he is still being teased. 

Yes, kids often get teased about many things.

Indeed they do.  And it often causes issues.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 01, 2012, 12:48:03 AM

I'm not sure you're as in touch with the kids as you think you are.  His behavior is making him an outcast,

Really, a complete outcast?  Or are certain kids just teasing him?

Yes, a complete outcast.  He wears dresses.  Boys aren't supposed to wear dresses.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 01, 2012, 12:48:03 AM

and it will only get worse if he continues doing it (and again, his dad is not helping by supporting it).

You assume it will get worse.

It will.  As you say, they're just kids now.  Do you honestly think the bullying won't get worse if he continues this into grade school, and on into high school?

Again, how idealistic of you.

I see, so nothing but the typical social conservative appeals to "common sense".  How lazy.

I see, so nothing but the typical social conservative appeals to "common sense".  How lazy.

Again, you have no idea of my political leanings.  I'm actually extremely liberal about most things.  But... yes, I do possess common sense, which I suppose might be why I don't simply toe the party line about everything.

Guys, you're forgetting the most important part: dresses don't look good on men.

I disagree, I think some can pull it off.

Quote from: Cat Earth Theory on September 01, 2012, 12:57:38 AM

I see, so nothing but the typical social conservative appeals to "common sense".  How lazy.

Again, you have no idea of my political leanings.  I'm actually extremely liberal about most things.  But... yes, I do possess common sense, which I suppose might be why I don't simply toe the party line about everything.

You misunderstand.  You're advancing a socially conservative position.  It doesn't matter what party you adhere to.  It's merely a description of what you're doing.

And your common sense, gasp, could be wrong!  Don't bother actually looking into it, though, that might take some actual work.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 01, 2012, 01:02:36 AM

Quote from: Cat Earth Theory on September 01, 2012, 12:57:38 AM

I see, so nothing but the typical social conservative appeals to "common sense".  How lazy.

Again, you have no idea of my political leanings.  I'm actually extremely liberal about most things.  But... yes, I do possess common sense, which I suppose might be why I don't simply toe the party line about everything.

You misunderstand.  You're advancing a socially conservative position.  It doesn't matter what party you adhere to.  It's merely a description of what you're doing.

Well, then I have trouble understanding why you think I was being "lazy" with my post; obviously I'm putting some thought into my argument if I am generally a liberal but in this particular instance pushing a socially conservative position.

You on the other hand seem to be stuck in "all liberal, all the time" mode.  Lazy.

And your common sense, gasp, could be wrong!  Don't bother actually looking into it, though, that might take some actual work.

It's not.  It is in fact blindingly obvious to anyone with half a brain.  That's why they call it "common sense".

I just love ad hominem wars filling up my threads.

He started it. 

It's not.  It is in fact blindingly obvious to anyone with half a brain.  That's why they call it "common sense".

Actually, it's called "common" sense because it's beliefs and attitudes that many people share.  There's no guarantee that it's actually right, and common sense varies across different cultures.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 01, 2012, 01:12:11 AM

It's not.  It is in fact blindingly obvious to anyone with half a brain.  That's why they call it "common sense".

Actually, it's called "common" sense because it's beliefs and attitudes that many people share.

I believe you will be hard-pressed to find a source confirming this definition (because you're wrong).

I believe you will be hard-pressed to find a source confirming this definition (because you're wrong).

Read all about it, it's talked about a lot in sociology:
http://www.cliffsnotes.com/study_guide/Sociology-and-Common-Sense.topicArticleId-26957,articleId-26834.html

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on September 01, 2012, 01:18:33 AM

I believe you will be hard-pressed to find a source confirming this definition (because you're wrong).

Read all about it, it's talked about a lot in sociology:
http://www.cliffsnotes.com/study_guide/Sociology-and-Common-Sense.topicArticleId-26957,articleId-26834.html

Many people mistakenly believe that sociology is the study of the obvious. They claim that sociology is nothing but the application of common sense. But equating any science with simple common sense could not be further from the truth!

I see.

You see that you're wrong about common sense.  Good.

You see that you're wrong about common sense.  Good.

No, I see that you're wrong about common sense.  That's okay though, we all make mistakes.

Further reading:

Common sense is defined by Merriam-Webster as, "sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts." Thus, "common sense" (in this view) equates to the knowledge and experience which most people already have, or which the person using the term believes that they do or should have. The Cambridge Dictionary defines it as, "the basic level of practical knowledge and judgment that we all need to help us live in a reasonable and safe way"

Sounds like my definition to me.

  All that's obvious is that you've never studied sociology, and the idea that "common sense" is a social construct.  I'm not surprised that your merriam-webster definition doesn't include criticism of the concept of common sense, and how it's not something innate or always reliable.

All that's obvious is that you've never studied sociology, and the idea that "common sense" is a social construct.  I'm not surprised that your merriam-webster definition doesn't include criticism of the concept of common sense, and how it's not something innate.

Well, you're right; I've never studied sociology.  I am also not claiming that common sense is something that's innate. 

Note that Merriam-Webster and Cambridge both agree with me.  Those are dictionary definitions for the phrase "common sense".

Anyway, back on topic.  I took your advice and looked into the facts regarding kids being bullied and rejected for wearing a dress.  Here's an interesting tidbit about another parent who supports her son's weird inclinations:

The impassioned author of that blog, Pink Is for Boys, is careful to conceal her son’s identity, as were the other parents interviewed for this article. As much as these parents want to nurture and defend what makes their children unique and happy, they also fear it will expose their sons to rejection. Some have switched schools, changed churches and even moved to try to shield their children.

I suppose the ball is in your court.  Can you point me to a source showing that boys who wear dresses are not bullied and rejected by their peers?

Another quote from that article:

So it is for Moriko and her husband, who struggled for years to understand their son’s attraction to girls’ clothes even though it made him a social pariah.

Note that "pariah" is a synonym for the word "outcast".

Here's an interesting and relevant article:

http://www.thelocal.se/31978/20110211/

A 6-year-old boy was stabbed in the neck at a preschool in Jönköping in central Sweden after having been the target of bullies for an extended period of time, reported the local Jönköpings-Posten daily.

The newspaper names the boy as Oskar and reports how his liking for pink clothing, ballet and nail polish left him exposed to regular bullying from other boys in his playgroup.

Anyway, it's really late.  I can continue slaughtering you in this debate tomorrow if you'd like.

From the very article you quoted:

Moriko’s son will soon enter eighth grade in his Long Island public middle school. Most of his friends are girls, and he dresses just like them: skinny jeans, black eyeliner, light lipstick and off-the-shoulder shirts from the girls’ department. (Moriko makes him wear a tank top underneath.) When his teachers asked which pronoun they should use when referring to him, he said masculine. But he doesn’t want to be called a boy, or a girl.

Oh my goodness, friends.