Why Jesus was not the Messiah

Quote from: Bibleistrue on August 03, 2007, 07:02:03 AM

But Satan is as real as God!

My point exactly.

Then why did you say you don't believe in Satan?

I practice the Soto sect of Zen Buddhism, actually ... so there is none of that Tibetan tantric tripe.  Zen is all about experiencing life itself, pure and simple, like a hammer to the fore-brain. 

Then your head asplode (aka enlightenment). 

It meanst it is a cheap demagogical statement. You'll shit your pants if you knew death were on your doorstep and cry like a little baby just to postpone its inevitable arrival. Living is all you have and you most probably enjoy every minute of it, even if you are a complete failure in life.

This is just more bullshit...just like what you accuse your adversaries of. I like when the fundie dude stated "you will probably shit your pants and cry like a baby" when death comes a knockin at your door...pwnd!

PS - look where your "enlightenment" has brought you...to this forum...WOW...I'm impressed...   

Oh, tell me what enlightenment should entail, since you seem to know something about it as well.

Please try using a hammer on your forebrain.  Then we'll talk more. 

I don't need to. The fact that you are here is proof of what I wrote…

Not necessary. I have enough “real” life experiences to know what would occur...

Quote from: EvilToothpaste on July 28, 2007, 12:37:10 AM

Quote from: JustATroll on July 27, 2007, 10:55:48 AM

Quote from: EvilToothpaste on July 27, 2007, 12:14:39 AM

It's living I'm afraid of. 

Cheap.

That could mean a couple of things ... but you're an idiot, so please tell me what it is you mean. 

It meanst it is a cheap demogogical statement. You'll shit your pants if you knew death were on your doorstep and cry like a little baby just to postpone its inevitable arrival. Living is all you have and you most probably enjoy every minute of it, even if you are a complete failure in life.

Quote from: John Cash on August 03, 2007, 03:00:11 AM

Quote from: EvilToothpaste on July 28, 2007, 12:37:10 AM

Quote from: JustATroll on July 27, 2007, 10:55:48 AM

Quote from: EvilToothpaste on July 27, 2007, 12:14:39 AM

It's living I'm afraid of. 

Cheap.

That could mean a couple of things ... but you're an idiot, so please tell me what it is you mean. 

It meanst it is a cheap demogogical statement. You'll shit your pants if you knew death were on your doorstep and cry like a little baby just to postpone its inevitable arrival. Living is all you have and you most probably enjoy every minute of it, even if you are a complete failure in life.

I'm afraid you only understand the position of God/death-fearing people such as yourself. I'll use myself as an example. Yes, living is all I have, and I do enjoy living, and yes, I would attempt to postpone my death if I had the option, but I don't fear death. If, for example, I were captured, bound, and lined up on a wall with others, and one-by-one we were systematically killed, I doubt I'd be afraid. I would probably be disappointed that I couldn't live longer or accomplish more (unless I were extremely old and had age-related handicaps, in which death would probably be a nice alternative to suffering), but definitely not afraid.

Now let's change the scenario. Suppose I were in a classroom, and a gunman broke into it and began shooting everyone in sight. If no one i really cared about were in it (that list is basically limited at this moment to my girlfriend, and a few of my closest friends), then the only emotion I would experience would be self-preservation. If one of the aforementioned were in the room, then I would probably fear for their safety, but I still wouldn't fear for my own, to the extent of my death allowing harm to come to any of them.
I know many of the fucked-up little monkeys prowling this site, obsessed with their own religion, would get down and pray not to meet with death, and probably be shot for standing still to long (I think anyone crouched over, unmoving, with their hands clasped together would be an easy target).

First of all, my statements are only as long as they need to be, and never fallacious, unlike many other posters on this site. How do you know what I am thinking / would think. I think the best person to make any judgment about myself is me. And since I've taken the course for AP Psychology (5 out of 5) and an out-of-school Introductory Psychiatry course, I think I'm more qualified than anyone else to make that judgment. Anyways, the sad truth, for you at least, is that I am perfectly 'alright' with dying (mainly if it were inescapable, which is why I gave two separate scenarios). Just because you are insecure with death does not mean we all are.

First of all, you claim that no one can be sure of their future actions. In this case, how can I be lying about it if no one actually knows what I would do. You continue contradicting yourself.
And again, let me completely assure you: I am not afraid of death; would I postpone it, yes. But not fear it, mainly because I believe there is nothing to death. Death is merely the end. Thus there is nothing to fear, no judgment, no ambiguity, just subtle passage out of consciousness, never to return.

I only listed AP Psych for credibility of analysis, not credibility of thought.

You continue to assert that I would fear death if I were faced with it, without any logical reasoning. Given your arguments thus far, may I safely conclude that your statements are completely groundless, with neither fact nor observation as backing?

Quote from: John Cash on August 03, 2007, 03:00:11 AM

Quote from: EvilToothpaste on July 28, 2007, 12:37:10 AM

Quote from: JustATroll on July 27, 2007, 10:55:48 AM

Quote from: EvilToothpaste on July 27, 2007, 12:14:39 AM

It's living I'm afraid of. 

Cheap.

That could mean a couple of things ... but you're an idiot, so please tell me what it is you mean. 

It meanst it is a cheap demogogical statement. You'll shit your pants if you knew death were on your doorstep and cry like a little baby just to postpone its inevitable arrival. Living is all you have and you most probably enjoy every minute of it, even if you are a complete failure in life.

I'm afraid you only understand the position of God/death-fearing people such as yourself. I'll use myself as an example. Yes, living is all I have, and I do enjoy living, and yes, I would attempt to postpone my death if I had the option, but I don't fear death. If, for example, I were captured, bound, and lined up on a wall with others, and one-by-one we were systematically killed, I doubt I'd be afraid. I would probably be disappointed that I couldn't live longer or accomplish more (unless I were extremely old and had age-related handicaps, in which death would probably be a nice alternative to suffering), but definitely not afraid.

Now let's change the scenario. Suppose I were in a classroom, and a gunman broke into it and began shooting everyone in sight. If no one i really cared about were in it (that list is basically limited at this moment to my girlfriend, and a few of my closest friends), then the only emotion I would experience would be self-preservation. If one of the aforementioned were in the room, then I would probably fear for their safety, but I still wouldn't fear for my own, to the extent of my death allowing harm to come to any of them.
I know many of the fucked-up little monkeys prowling this site, obsessed with their own religion, would get down and pray not to meet with death, and probably be shot for standing still to long (I think anyone crouched over, unmoving, with their hands clasped together would be an easy target).

Australopithecan-like logistic capabilities

Quote from: wgzero on August 05, 2007, 12:48:59 AM

Australopithecan-like logistic capabilities

Is this management and control of the flow of paleolithic hand axes and scrapers between caves?

I'm having an existential meltdown right now.

Quote from: Pig Pen on August 05, 2007, 01:04:01 AM

Quote from: wgzero on August 05, 2007, 12:48:59 AM

Australopithecan-like logistic capabilities

Is this management and control of the flow of paleolithic hand axes and scrapers between caves?

I'm having an existential meltdown right now.

I thought to reply in that manner, too, but I looked it up in a dictionary:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/logistic

You phail.

Okay, Dilton. 

Ah, theist, my apologies. I thought I was dealing rational argument. You use the bible as evidence, which invalidates all arguments founded upon said evidence, as there is no evidence backing your fairy tale collection. However, against my better instinct, I have decided to respond to your edit. And don't even try to say "The bible is true because the bible says the bible is true", as that's a Bare Assertion Fallacy.

I'm afraid that YES, I know exactly how i would react. Unlike you, with your Australopithecan-like logistic capabilities, I can accurately simulate the most extreme situations and great emotional strain. But that wouldn't even be necessary, as I do not fear death, so any situation where I am confronted with unavoidable death would logically cause no fear in me. I don't even see why I'm leveling with you on this. Hara made my point much better than even I could.

Your evidence is wrong, theist. I suggest you look over your source again. And again. And again.

This time, with the blinders off. Then speak. For thy tongue is a foul beast that knows not of that which it speaks.