What has happened??

"When the analysis was restricted to large trials of higher quality" -- This admits that they had to restrict which studies which they looked at to get their conclusion, with whatever personally-determined arbitrary qualifiers they put in place to determine "higher quality".

This is the type of shenanigans Robert Hahn was complaining about in this quote:

“To conclude that homeopathy lacks clinical effect, more than 90% of the available clinical trials had to be disregarded” - Prof Robert Hahn, Homeopathy: Meta-Analyses of Pooled Clinical Data, 2013

The excuse of "a placebo effect did it" does not explain the many animal trials which have taken place which have shown positive results.

Here are some examples from studies on Homeopathic Silicea on animals between 1998 to 2023:

Wynn, Susan G. "Studies on use of homeopathy in animals." Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association 212.5 (1998): 719-724.

https://avmajournals.avma.org/downloadpdf/view/journals/javma/212/5/javma.1998.212.05.719.pdf

In Vitro Studies

One of the first in vitro studies9 was conducted by a group in France who concluded that dilutions of antiserum against IgE of up to I X 10-120M had measurable effects on human basophil degranulation. Such solutions are comparable to highly diluted and succussed homeopathic remedies that, theoretically, are solute free. Using 6 biochemical and physical probes in repeated experiments, the authors concluded that observed effects were not physically induced by a molecule of the original anti-IgE. This report was so highly publicized and provided such clear implications to believers in homeopathy that the editors of Nature sent an investigative team consisting of the editor of Nature, a magician, and a professional investigator of scientific fraud to examine the experimental conditions. The investigative team found sample collection and procedural errors, as well as observer bias.) 0 In turn, one of the researchers responded with complaints about the investigative team's procedures." It should be kept in mind that reports in the conventional medical literature also may be statistically flawed (from 30 to 85% of all scientific reports contain errors in design, procedure, or analysis).t2a3 Extraordinary claims for homeopathy will, however, require extraordinary proof.

Other in vitro studies have been accompanied by less furor. In another series of experiments, the same research group evaluated the ability of homeopathically prepared Ovalbumin at a concentration of —log* (1:10 dilution, repeated 41 times) to modulate coronary blood flow in ex vivo perfused hearts of guinea pigs that had been previously inoculated with ovalbumin. Infused homeopathic Ovalbumin increased coronary flow, compared with hearts perfused with buffer (control) solution: In yet another study,l' this group detected significant differences in the amount of inflammatory mediators produced by peritoneal macrophages subjected to homeopathic treatment. A solution of Silica (concentration of I X 10-19M) was added to drinking water given to a group of mice. When ex vivo peritoneal macrophages obtained from treated- and control-group mice were stimulated with zymosan, platelet activating factor-acether production by cells from Silica-treated mice was significantly higher than for cells from control-group mice. Analysis of results of that study suggest that substances administered in extremely low concentrations may exert measurable physiologic effects. In clinical practice, homeopathic Silica (silicon dioxide) in a number of succussed dilutions (potencies) is often used for treatment of non-healing wounds.

In the above study the mice who received the Homeopathic Silicea treatment produced more platelets than the mice which did not receive the treatment.

Even on this narrow topic of Homeopathic Silicea treatment of animals, there is a whole array of homeopathic silicea experiments on animals, conducted by different researchers.

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-94-011-5804-6_15

Healing Chronic Wounds Performed on Mouse Ears Using Silica (Si02) as a Homeopathic Remedy
A Pharmacological Study of Homeopathic High Dilutions

M. Oberbaum, Z. Weisman, A. Kalinkovich & Z. Bentwich

3.1. PRELIMINARY RESULTS
The preliminary experiment was performed on a small number of animals per group, in
order to find out whether there would be any reaction when silica is used for a chronic
wound. All the mice had been treated for 32 days with three i.p. injections of 0.5 ml of
the dilutions, daily. On day 14, the earrings were hanged on the mouse ears.
On the 5th day after the earrings were inserted, a clear difference was observed
in the hole size between the ears of treated mice and those of the control group. This
difference was maintained until the end of the experiment (day 32).

In the above study, the researchers say there is a clear effect.

Here is another study from 2023. This one even has pictures of the control group which was treated with Distilled Water versus the group that was treated with Homoeopathic Silicea of different concentrations/dilutions:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Aditya-Guturu/publication/375916324_Evaluation_Of_Efficacy_Of_Homeopathic_Medicine_Silicea_Terra_In_Subcutaneous_Abscess_In_Experimental_Animals/links/6563231eb86a1d521b0c0dea/Evaluation-Of-Efficacy-Of-Homeopathic-Medicine-Silicea-Terra-In-Subcutaneous-Abscess-In-Experimental-Animals.pdf

"When the analysis was restricted to large trials of higher quality" -- This admits that they had to restrict which studies which they looked at to get their conclusion, with whatever personally-determined arbitrary qualifiers they put in place to determine "higher quality".

you seem to not understand how words and statistics work.

restricting results to tests with ONLY large sample sizes means it eliminates SMALL sample tests which can give a false or meaningless results.
it's not restricting the data itself.
it's restricting a search criteria of for a sample conculsions of the sample tests.

The pictures above show that the case is closed, as I am concerned. Homeopathy won. There clearly is an effect.

Not only have previous researchers in previous years confirmed an effect of Homeopathic Silicea on mice, but there is direct picture evidence of the effect for all to see. The mice with the different dilutions of Homeopathic Silicea healed better than the mice treated with Distilled Water.

200C is an absurdly diluted variant of homeopathic dilutions:

https://www.aaronsonspharmacy.com/blogs/news/what-do-the-numbers-and-letters-on-a-homeopathic-remedy-mean

In a X factor preparation the 12X is approximately a 1:1,000,000,000,000 parts mixture and in a C factor preparation, the 12C is approximately 1:1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 parts substance to diluent. Therefore, a 200C is diluted 100 to the power of 200, which is 1 with 400 zeros. By comparison, there is approximately 1 ( with 24 zeros ) litres of water on the earth (according to HowStuffWorks contributors). The number of zeros can be determined by the dilution number for an X type, or twice the number for a C type since base 100 = 10x10, (10 to the power of 2).

Now, if anti-homeopathic researchers are going to scream fraud, then they have an obligation to recreate the experiment for us, not simply claim that different people are all lying. If they are combating Homeopathy on a scientific basis then they have an obligation to do this.

You can scream about statistics and that more mice than 48 are needed, or whatever you want to argue, and I encourage you to conduct a study of a million mice. But the fact remains that the mice treated with the homeopathic treatment healed better than the mice treated with the Distilled Water.

From one of your studies above.

he editors of Nature sent an investigative team consisting of the editor of Nature, a magician, and a professional investigator of scientific fraud to examine the experimental conditions. The investigative team found sample collection and procedural errors, as well as observer bias.)

The pictures above show that the case is closed, as I am concerned. Homeopathy won. There clearly is an effect.

Dude, if you want to take sugar pills, or use them to help heal your mice wounds, that's up to you.  Just don't push this shit on anyone who is actually ill and needs actual medicine.

From one of your studies above.

Quote

he editors of Nature sent an investigative team consisting of the editor of Nature, a magician, and a professional investigator of scientific fraud to examine the experimental conditions. The investigative team found sample collection and procedural errors, as well as observer bias.)

are you suggesting that TOM BISHOP! is cherry picking and ignoring the actual words concluding that XYZ is flawed?

noooooooo

That quote is talking about a different study of a different homeopathic substance, not Silicea. That other study had gotten so much media attention in favor of homeopathy that Nature had to send out a magician and an ultra-skeptic to debunk the quality of the procedures. Now, I am sure anyone can say anything like "they didn't lock the interior lab door, so any run of the mill rapscallion researcher in the building could have walked in and switched the mice around!", or maybe "they didn't create a complex shielding and numbering system to blind the researchers as they were dosing the mice so they didn't dose the wrong ones in favor of their bias! Randomized double blind tests are super important and buzzwordy!" and debunk the quality of anything they want.

Again, like related in the Robert Hahn quote, the mainstream skeptics use their interpretation of quality to discard results. The goal posts are created instantaneously in the mind to deny.

It should be obvious that this kind of argumentation is frankly weak in the face of direct experimental evidence that you are wrong.

In regards to the Homeopathic Silicea animal experiments, there are a whole lot of them for the magicians at Nature to debunk.

1992 Study - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1325402/

Harefuah . 1992 Aug;123(3-4):79-82, 156.
Wound healing by homeopathic silica dilutions in mice

Highly diluted solutions of silica are widely used in homeopathic medicine to treat lesions such as chronic wounds, ulcers, and abscesses. We tested the therapeutic effects of homeopathic dilutions of silica on induced chronic wounds. Holes were made in the ears of mice by dental wire, which then remained hanging from the ear to cause persistent mechanical irritation. In each experiment 3 or 4 groups of 10 mice each were treated by adding homeopathic dilutions of silica (10(-10), 10(-60), 10(-400)) and of saline (10(-10), respectively, to the drinking water of the mice for 4-20 days. The size of the wound holes was measured every second day (grades 0-4) and/or by an objective image analysis system. The results showed that in 7/11 experiments the ear holes of the silica-treated animals were significantly smaller (p less than 0.05-0.001) and healed faster than in those treated with saline. Also the therapeutic effect increased progressively with increase in dilution of the silica (10(-10) less than 10(-60) less than 10(-400)). These results show that homeopathic dilutions of silica (even well beyond Avogadro's number) clearly have a therapeutic effect on wound healing and that our experimental model for studying wound healing is a very useful tool for such studies.

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2006 Article - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1475939/

Evid Based Complement Alternat Med. 2006 Jun; 3(2): 171–186.
Immunology and Homeopathy. 3. Experimental Studies on Animal Models

A series of studies examined the action of high dilutions of silica on the production of platelet activating factor (PAF) by peritoneal macrophages in the mouse (18). The compound was added to drinking water at a dilution of 9c (corresponding to a theoretical concentration of 1.66 × 10−19 M) for 25 days. The peritoneal macrophages extracted from the mice showed an ability to produce PAF in response to a stimulus with yeast extracts that was 30–60% greater than that of control macrophages (untreated mice, mice treated with NaCl in a 9c dilution or with another homeopathic drug, Gelsemium 9c). Lower dilutions (5c) paradoxically had less effect.

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2018 Case Report - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0737080618300431

Journal of Equine Veterinary Science, Volume 67, August 2018, Pages 37-43
Wound Healing Disorder in a Horse, Associated With Antimicrobial-Resistant Bacteria, Resolved With a Homeopathic Medicine - A Case Report

A 4-year-old trotter gelding was treated homeopathically for delayed wound healing after surgery associated with antimicrobial-resistant bacteria. The horse failed to respond to antibiotic treatment with intravenous gentamicin and penicillin followed by oral sulfadiazine natrium and trimethoprim. Deep wound swab, bacterial examination, and microbial sensitivity test diagnosed oxacillin-resistant Staphylococcus haemolyticus and Actinobacillus equuli. At presentation for homeopathic treatment, the horse showed putrid inflammation, edema, and seroma. After treatment with the homeopathic medicine Silicea terra, resolution of clinical signs occurred. Homeopathic Silicea terra is one of many homeopathic medicines that may be beneficial in treating cases of putrid wound healing disorders associated with antimicrobial-resistant bacteria. Hence, considering the global threat of antimicrobial resistance, further studies should be conducted in cooperation with homeopathically trained veterinarians.

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2023 Meta-Analysis - https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Aditya-Guturu/publication/377499447_ANTIMICROBIAL_ACTIVITY_OF_HOMOEPATHIC_MEDICINE_SILICEA_TERRA_A_NARRATIVE_REVIEW/links/65aa2b5cf323f74ff1cc6a1a/ANTIMICROBIAL-ACTIVITY-OF-HOMOEPATHIC-MEDICINE-SILICEA-TERRA-A-NARRATIVE-REVIEW.pdf

Journal of Nonlinear Analysis and Optimization, Vol. 14, Issue. 01 : 2023.
ANTIMICROBIAL ACTIVITY OF HOMOEPATHIC MEDICINE SILICEA TERRA: A NARRATIVE REVIEW

This review study explores various studies and papers that show its efficacy. For this review, literature was found using searches in the PubMed and Google scholar databases relating to Silicea terra and its action on various bacteria, fungus and effect on abscess were studied. This included both animal and in-vitro studies.  Following the review of abstracts, the complete texts of the studies that made the short list have been studied for research design, the use of homoeopathic medications for antibacterial action, and the analysis of the results of the studies. Studies shown that Silicea terra has an anti microbial effect on various micro-organisms and also equally effective in treating abscess. Overall results of our review shows that Silicea terra can be used as anti-microbial, an alternative to anti- bacterial, anti-fungal, anti-microbial drugs of modern medicines.

so a test done on a small sample got one result.
but a test done on a larger sample the result turned the previous small test into an anomallously insignificant nonrelevancy.

so tests that were too small to be of signifigance were removed, aka restricted, from the pool of tests.

is that what you're saying?

Here is an interesting interview with a University Professor turned Homepath Researcher, who describes how he got into studying this - https://thehomeopathiccollege.org/interview-of-professor-anisur-rahman-khuda-bukhsh/

He began looking into it because he saw it work in an urgent situation with an injury. He basically says that if you manage to convince a mainstream anti-homeopathy skeptic that Homeopathy is effective for some things, they will simply say Homeopathy is false because they don't understand the physical mechanism for how it works.

The professor goes on to say that more study of the physical mechanism is necessary for acceptance in the mainstream science community, but I sort of disagree with the professor on this that these people are even open to change. It is possible to accept something without knowing how it works, and there are plenty of phenomena in science like that (ie. the contradicting GR and QM mechanisms of gravity). If someone is convinced that Homeopathy does have an effect, but is pivoting to discussing the ignorance of the mechanism as a new goal post to make Homeopathy legitimate, then it is simply dishonesty. If it works but you are ignorant of the mechanism to say how it works, then it works and you are ignorant of the mechanism and nothing more.

Here is an interesting interview with a University Professor turned Homepath Researcher, who describes how he got into studying this - https://thehomeopathiccollege.org/interview-of-professor-anisur-rahman-khuda-bukhsh/

Well, if an 80 year old retired zoologist says it's true.

He began looking into it because he saw it work in an urgent situation with an injury.

Well, yes.  Apparently homeopathy cures broken teeth.

I took a team of my students on an educational excursion. We were about to set out for a collection trip when suddenly one of my students fell from a staircase and broke one of her teeth. One of my students asked me, “Sir, we have a vial of homeopathic medicine called Arnica montana. Should I give her the medicine?” So I thought, why don’t we try, because we do not have any medical practitioner nearby. Then what happened is something I still remember.  She gave some globules at an interval of ten minutes’ time, and the patient dramatically  recovered  from the trauma and was ready to go with us.

Are his students drunk?   I'm not sure what the claimed affect even is here, however the student needs a dentist, not sugar pills.

What happened in this thread?
Tl;dr

What happened in this thread?

We discovered that flat earth belief is on par with homeopathy and astrology.  Also that homeopathy is the "queen of the pseudosciences".

And as yet no answer to the question, if water retains a memory of good things to give positive results, why doesn’t it remember all the shit it has held and make us sick?

Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 06, 2024, 09:33:46 AM

Here is an interesting interview with a University Professor turned Homepath Researcher, who describes how he got into studying this - https://thehomeopathiccollege.org/interview-of-professor-anisur-rahman-khuda-bukhsh/

Well, if an 80 year old retired zoologist says it's true.

Quote

He began looking into it because he saw it work in an urgent situation with an injury.

Well, yes.  Apparently homeopathy cures broken teeth.

Quote

I took a team of my students on an educational excursion. We were about to set out for a collection trip when suddenly one of my students fell from a staircase and broke one of her teeth. One of my students asked me, “Sir, we have a vial of homeopathic medicine called Arnica montana. Should I give her the medicine?” So I thought, why don’t we try, because we do not have any medical practitioner nearby. Then what happened is something I still remember.  She gave some globules at an interval of ten minutes’ time, and the patient dramatically  recovered  from the trauma and was ready to go with us.

Are his students drunk?   I'm not sure what the claimed affect even is here, however the student needs a dentist, not sugar pills.

So your arguments are:
1. Ad hominem against the zoologist
2. Ad hominem against the students

With a scientific mind like that, I don't know how you keep getting passed up for that Nobel.

Because a zoologist is not a chemist...


Being a professor of something does not make him an expert on the sibject at hand.



Defeating the appealtoexpert fallacywith an adhom fallacy is approppriate and is in fact not an adhom fallacy wjen used in this fashion.




Zoologists and wildlife biologists study animals, those both in captivity and in the wild, and how they interact with their ecosystems. They focus primarily on undomesticated animals and their behavior, as well as on the impact humans have on wildlife and natural habitats.
https://www.bls.gov › ooh › zoolo...
Zoologists and Wildlife Biologists : Occupational Outlook Handbook

So your arguments are:
1. Ad hominem against the zoologist
2. Ad hominem against the students

It is an anecdote and can be dismissed as such.

Also, you don't know what an ad hominem is.

Is the site dying?? It breaks my heart, it's so quiet. So many of the regulars are inactive, I can hear a pin drop. Hell I called crouton names in AR and nothing, that's when you know things a broken.

Can't let the ship sink!!

We must ban together folks!

What happened? One need look no further than this, as an example:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=92285.30

Just take a look at the verbal abuse inflicted on the FE each and every day here.

I told spacecowgirl back in early 2020 that she will not have a forum anymore, she laughed at me. I tried to plead with crouton, this is what he said: "we have learned an important lesson today, the content of the debate is not the mods' business".

Would this kind of abuse be allowed over at forum.tfes? Not a chance. Would badastronomy and cosmoquest, on their own home turf, allow this? Not a chance.

What else can be expected if the admin and the RE mods are totally against the FES? How is it possible that a rabid, anti-FE, who had always derided FET right from his first message is hired by John Davis as a mod? Does it make any bloody sense?

How does John Davis expect his forum to flourish, if the admin he hired responds back with this: "that's debate". "That's debate" with daily verbal abuse, with every rule broken. No FE in his/her right mind would participate in this kind of madness.

rabinoz was posting a message every 18 minutes, destroying the FES in the process. Both scg and crouton did nothing about it. He tried to do the same thing at forum.tfes, where he was stopped immediately, and then he came back here for  more destruction.

Take a look at the verbal abuse inflicted on the FE each and every day by jackblack. One wonders: where the are mods? Why then have any rules at all?

Why should any FE who would like to genuinely debate come here to be verbally abused like this? Why even bother?

Davis has inflicted a terrible punishment on the FES and generally on the FE by having hired the RE as admin/mods. The more Crouton pisses and shits on this forum the better for him. Imagine putting a declared enemy of the FES as a mod for how many years now. Or an admin who laughs and does nothing about the verbal abuse, and then she says that it is facebook and instagram who stole the audience. No. The FES was supposed to be a beacon of light during the past four years, but the RE admin/mods have made sure nothing like that would happen.

I believe that the free speech concerns here could be abated without strict moderation if the FE'ers on this website were given access to a good functional Wiki to update with their own content and pages, and then post the links in threads when subjects come up again. This subject matter is very complex. In many threads FE'ers are forced to re-hash everything. With a good Wiki page on the subject that contains detailed evidence, the debate tends to stop, or it changes into a meta-debate about whether the person needs to address the content of the Wiki page or not.

After a debate the FEer should ideally update the Wiki page to address the points discussed, strengthening the Wiki. A role of the mods can be to guide the RE'ers to come up with good arguments against the Wiki content.

I already know that the above works in these debates. As a next step, and what would be truly interesting here, is if this site hosted both a Flat Earth Wiki and a Round Earth Wiki, which members were expected to contribute to for the specific topic in question and address arguments. Each page would be cross-linked at the top so that viewers could switch between the Flat Earth and Round Earth positions on the topic and judge for themselves.

This forum could consist of each side criticizing the quality of each other's Wiki pages, increasing the quality of the arguments and theories in the process. Such a venture would become an interesting educational journey for the public, since these topics touch several branches of science.

Your idea, while noble in essence, is not applicable here. Perhaps you can implement it over at your forum.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=92285.30

Would you, the RE mods/admin of the FES, talk like this to your relatives? To your acquaintances? To anybody else, for that matter? And if not, why are you not dealing with this kind of situation? Very simple: a two week ban, if they come back and repeat the verbal abuse, they get a permban and we move on.

Everywhere else this is how they deal with troublemakers. These are not freethinkers at all.

More to the point: why is a fanatical anti-FE  mod like Crouton allowed to fuck up the FES? He does nothing as a mod.

Why is a person who, when called upon to justify FET, utters something like "look out your window", allowed as a FE admin? The forum is dying yet she is smiling gleefully.

The result of this incompentence is the present state of affairs here.

Why should we the FE be on the receiving end of such unnecessary verbal abuse? No one dares to do something like this over at your forum, because the mods are all FE, as they should be.

This thread asked the question: what has happened? Well we got stuck with RE mods and RE admin, and everything has gone down the drain.

Well, I don't have time to read Sandy's book about me at the moment.  But I'm going to assume it's the usual fawning praise.

I'd just like to say, thank you.  Your support is what keeps me going!

I think I should explain myself.  I'm not a believer in a flat earth.

First off, I don't believe in a flat earth.

Then, what are you doing here posing as a mod? Who put you up to this?

For the past five years you have vacated the mod position, while doing nothing at all to stop the verbal violence which had been launched against the FE. It was your job to do something about it, and you did nothing of course. What else could be expected from a deadly enemy of the FES?

You and spacecowgirl, both of you, have destroyed this forum with your incompetence and refusal to apply the rules. I told you five years ago what was going to happen, but you refused to heed the warning.

It's not instagram/facebook which is the culprit for the demise of the forum. It is YOU, both of you, who have made sure that this forum would be annihilated.

How is it possible that two arch-enemies of the FES are admin/mods here? At each and every step, spacecowgirl has refused to ban or even warn the RE, in fact she pleaded with Davis to lift the two month ban which was imposed on jackblack. How then do you expect this forum to thrive if you do something like that? Again, is this how the two of you run your personal lives? Not at all, right? It is only here that you permit the unbelievable verbal violence against the FE, while doing nothing about it, even though presumably you accepted these positions (admin/mod) to help the FES.

What has happened? This place is run by the RE! RE admin. RE mods. What else could have happened, other than pure destruction aimed at the FES?

What happened is exactly what breadcrumb wanted to happen.

Would this kind of abuse be allowed over at forum.tfes?

That site is even more dead.

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The only proper response from you would be to have the decency to leave the FES. Just leave.

Again.

I think I should explain myself.  I'm not a believer in a flat earth.

First off, I don't believe in a flat earth.

Then, what are you doing here posing as a mod? Who put you up to this?

For the past five years you have vacated the mod position, while doing nothing at all to stop the verbal violence which had been launched against the FE. It was your job to do something about it, and you did nothing of course.

Is there a single instance where you sided with the FE? Not once.

Here was your advice some four-five years ago:

"we have learned an important lesson today, the content of the debate is not the mods' business".

Your job is done here. The RE have taken over this forum for good.

Remember when we had only FE mods? The forum was thriving. They enforced the rules.

The FES has been subjected to a certain kind of experiment. The RE admin/mods had it their way for all this period of time. We were even advised to simply ignore the verbal violence (yes, to actually use the ignore function). In each and every instance, the RE admin/mods have acted like attorneys for the RE, using every conceivable gimmick to not ban the perpetrators of verbal violence. Imagine having the only acting mods, the RE mods, to log in each and every day, rejoicing in the damage they have caused to the FES, and then again do nothing about what is going on in the upper forums.

Then, everyone wonders "what has happened". It has to be facebook. Or instagram. Or tiktok. But not the fact that the RE admin/mods have actually, for all intents and purposes, vacated their positions.

We, the FE cannot be trusted. You can't have that. And yet, you trust the RE to act as mods on a FE forum? What has been the end result of having RE mods here for the past five-six years? They did absolutely nothing to curb the verbal violence which would not be accepted (not even close) anywhere else.

Here is an example of what has been going on:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=2805

humble scientist was one of the most decent FE. But he ran into rabinoz' trolling and spamming. He might have thought this is the FE forum. But no. The RE simply notified HIS OWN RE MOD, who promptly issued a warning to... humble scientist! Yes, you dare to complain about the trolling and spamming, it is YOU who will get the warning. So, humble scientist simply left the FES.

This is how things get done around here. A FE mod would have permbanned rabinoz for good.

How is it a good business proposition to have your own business lose members, ratings, users, year after year?

The only proper response from you would be to have the decency to leave the FES. Just leave.

And one hundred flowers will bloom.

Remember when we had only FE mods? The forum was thriving. They enforced the rules.

There has never been a time when we had only FE mods.

The forum was thriving because forums were thriving. Now almost every forum is a ghost town because everyone is on facebook/tiktok/twitter/etc.

There has never been a time when mods were really enforcing the rules. In the good old days a whole lot of people just got banned, but it was fun because there was always a new batch of retarts to take their place.

Been a while since we've had moderator drama.  Reminds me of the good old days.

Don't worry.  Once congress bans tiktok I think at least 80% of them will come here.  Of course we'll have to make sure our posts are less than 10 words long or their ADHD will kick in.