James's theory on dinosaurs

Quote from: zork on September 13, 2010, 10:41:40 PM

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 13, 2010, 10:36:45 PM

Quote from: zork on September 13, 2010, 10:35:07 PM

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 13, 2010, 05:53:32 PM

That is rather my point though. Flying is far quicker, therefore if we were able to cut the costs of flight, would you not agree that most likely everything would be done through flight. This however, would have a greater need on on more advanced technologies. Hence why flying civilizations would be more advanced than sea faring ones.

It depends on living conditions and environment. You don't build sea faring civilization on place where there is no sea. And talking about speed and advanced technology then the civilization who teleport things would be more advanced than flying or sea faring ones.

All of your statements are correct. If there were any teleporting dinosaurs they would most certainly be more advanced than the flying ones.

Do you have proof that there weren't?

Did I say I did?

I would also like to point out that a bird's nest is very similar to a boat. If a dinosaur can build a boat-like nest, couldn't a dinosaur build a nest-like boat? 

Protein sequencing of Tyrannosaurus remains in 2007 demonstrated their close phylogenetic relationship to modern birds: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/316/5822/280.

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 13, 2010, 10:43:43 PM

Quote from: zork on September 13, 2010, 10:41:40 PM

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 13, 2010, 10:36:45 PM

Quote from: zork on September 13, 2010, 10:35:07 PM

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 13, 2010, 05:53:32 PM

That is rather my point though. Flying is far quicker, therefore if we were able to cut the costs of flight, would you not agree that most likely everything would be done through flight. This however, would have a greater need on on more advanced technologies. Hence why flying civilizations would be more advanced than sea faring ones.

It depends on living conditions and environment. You don't build sea faring civilization on place where there is no sea. And talking about speed and advanced technology then the civilization who teleport things would be more advanced than flying or sea faring ones.

All of your statements are correct. If there were any teleporting dinosaurs they would most certainly be more advanced than the flying ones.

Do you have proof that there weren't?

Did I say I did?

I thought I saw the implication, but guess there wasn't.

Quote from: James on September 13, 2010, 10:04:39 PM

I would also like to point out that a bird's nest is very similar to a boat. If a dinosaur can build a boat-like nest, couldn't a dinosaur build a nest-like boat? 

Boat-like nests are not the same as the sea faring naval armadas that you have proposed in this thread.

My mistake if it came off that way. I was neither saying there was, nor wasn't teleporting dinosaurs. I was merely agreeing that yes, teleporting dinosaurs should be considered more advanced than flying dinosaurs.

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 14, 2010, 08:07:32 AM

My mistake if it came off that way. I was neither saying there was, nor wasn't teleporting dinosaurs. I was merely agreeing that yes, teleporting dinosaurs should be considered more advanced than flying dinosaurs.

Very true Brother Engrish. We also need to recognise that jet powered Ichthyosaurs should be considered more advanced than swimming Ichthyosaurs due to the advanced nature of their propulsion, which may or may not have been diesel based.

Very true Brother Engrish. We also need to recognise that jet powered Ichthyosaurs should be considered more advanced than swimming Ichthyosaurs due to the advanced nature of their propulsion, which may or may not have been diesel based.

Quote from: Crustinator on September 14, 2010, 08:36:00 AM

Very true Brother Engrish. We also need to recognise that jet powered Ichthyosaurs should be considered more advanced than swimming Ichthyosaurs due to the advanced nature of their propulsion, which may or may not have been diesel based.

I would say that the sea creatures are currently more advanced because they use jet propulsion systems for moving. Birds just flap their wings.

Quote from: markjo on September 14, 2010, 05:16:54 AM

Quote from: James on September 13, 2010, 10:04:39 PM

I would also like to point out that a bird's nest is very similar to a boat. If a dinosaur can build a boat-like nest, couldn't a dinosaur build a nest-like boat? 

Boat-like nests are not the same as the sea faring naval armadas that you have proposed in this thread.

An armada is merely a large fleet. Is it unlikely that Dinosaurs sailed together in large groups much like humans did for a large part of our history?

But you can watch them do so today!

Quote from: zork on September 14, 2010, 10:26:06 AM

Quote from: Crustinator on September 14, 2010, 08:36:00 AM

Very true Brother Engrish. We also need to recognise that jet powered Ichthyosaurs should be considered more advanced than swimming Ichthyosaurs due to the advanced nature of their propulsion, which may or may not have been diesel based.

I would say that the sea creatures are currently more advanced because they use jet propulsion systems for moving. Birds just flap their wings.

Let's not fail to give credit to the mammals, bats, whales, dolphins, etc. that use sophisticated echo-location for navigation! Obviously by James's reasoning whales must have had an advanced civilization too!

Quote from: ClockTower on September 14, 2010, 10:56:13 AM

Quote from: zork on September 14, 2010, 10:26:06 AM

Quote from: Crustinator on September 14, 2010, 08:36:00 AM

Very true Brother Engrish. We also need to recognise that jet powered Ichthyosaurs should be considered more advanced than swimming Ichthyosaurs due to the advanced nature of their propulsion, which may or may not have been diesel based.

I would say that the sea creatures are currently more advanced because they use jet propulsion systems for moving. Birds just flap their wings.

Let's not fail to give credit to the mammals, bats, whales, dolphins, etc. that use sophisticated echo-location for navigation! Obviously by James's reasoning whales must have had an advanced civilization too!

Actually it's widely accepted by scientists that whales may or may not have had access to flame throwers at least up until the last ice age. It is quite likely that if they did indeed have access to suh technology then they would have used them for herding plankton.

Quote from: General Disarray on September 13, 2010, 01:07:08 PM

Birds don't have a civilization capable of building ocean-crossing boats, therefore Dinosaurs didn't have them either.

Please, that conclusion in now way follows from the preceding statement. After all, pre-historic humans did not have a civilisation capable of building ocean-crossing boats, but it does not follow that modern humans do not have one.

Quote from: Crustinator on September 14, 2010, 02:14:51 PM

Quote from: ClockTower on September 14, 2010, 10:56:13 AM

Quote from: zork on September 14, 2010, 10:26:06 AM

Quote from: Crustinator on September 14, 2010, 08:36:00 AM

Very true Brother Engrish. We also need to recognise that jet powered Ichthyosaurs should be considered more advanced than swimming Ichthyosaurs due to the advanced nature of their propulsion, which may or may not have been diesel based.

I would say that the sea creatures are currently more advanced because they use jet propulsion systems for moving. Birds just flap their wings.

Let's not fail to give credit to the mammals, bats, whales, dolphins, etc. that use sophisticated echo-location for navigation! Obviously by James's reasoning whales must have had an advanced civilization too!

Actually it's widely accepted by scientists that whales may or may not have had access to flame throwers at least up until the last ice age. It is quite likely that if they did indeed have access to suh technology then they would have used them for herding plankton.

I am so enlightened. Thanks brother!

What I love right now is how loosely the FEers use the term "civilization". Please show me any evidence of a non-human civilization. <cue Jeopardy! theme music>

Quote from: ClockTower on September 14, 2010, 02:19:46 PM

What I love right now is how loosely the FEers use the term "civilization". Please show me any evidence of a non-human civilization. <cue Jeopardy! theme music>

ITT prehistoric ants.  You do know there is evidence that some members of their civilization used the mummification process long before the Egyptians?

I'd just like to point out to everyone that nobody has provided any evidence that dinosaurs were an advanced civilization, or that they were capable of building ocean-crossing boats.

Here is up-to-date photographic evidence of a dinosaur travelling on a wooden boat which it has built:

What kind of demonstration could possibly be offered? What form would that sort of evidence even take?

Your demands are completely unreasonable; any non-fundamentalist would quite rightly infer that the boat was built by the dinosaur. It is testament to your globularist fanaticism that you are unwilling to accept the truth when it is staring you right in the face (from aboard its boat).

The existance of a boat does not mean that the current occupant it. I sit in a wonderful nome

Quote from: General Disarray on September 14, 2010, 01:35:21 PM

I'd just like to point out to everyone that nobody has provided any evidence that dinosaurs were an advanced civilization, or that they were capable of building ocean-crossing boats.

I shall not apologize, because I am not calling you names, you are a globular fundamentalist, it is not a slur, it is a sincere observation about your beliefs.

Let's continue our analysis of the photograph, with respect to the points you have made. I appreciate that you did not build your own nome, however, one may look at your nome (presumably) and reasonably infer "this was built by a human". It bears, I assume, the hallmarks of human construction - the use of bricks, nails, and whatever else.

Since the boat in the picture is built in the style of other dinosaur buildings and structures which we can observe, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that was built, if not by the dinosaur which is occupying it, at least by a dinosaur. For comparison, here is a dinosaur tree-house built in very similar style:

Here is up-to-date photographic evidence of a dinosaur travelling on a wooden boat which it has built:

Quote from: James on September 15, 2010, 11:42:05 AM

Let's continue our analysis of the photograph, with respect to the points you have made. I appreciate that you did not build your own nome, however, one may look at your nome (presumably) and reasonably infer "this was built by a human". It bears, I assume, the hallmarks of human construction - the use of bricks, nails, and whatever else.

Since the boat in the picture is built in the style of other dinosaur buildings and structures which we can observe, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that was built, if not by the dinosaur which is occupying it, at least by a dinosaur. For comparison, here is a dinosaur tree-house built in very similar style:

I had thought you were dogplatter. Thanks for the confirmation.

When you're done making outlandish assumptions, do post your evidence. Please show us a avian dinosaur building a sea-faring boat. If you're sure such events happen, no doubt and without dreaming, you should be able to provide evidence. Of course, you might want to tell us the reason the bird would need a boat when you get a chance, and show us the bird using the boat in that manner.