James's theory on dinosaurs

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 13, 2010, 01:03:07 PM

I think this pretty much confirms the validity of dinosaur-bird comparisons. It's amazing that this point was once so heavily contested. In my view it is only a matter of time before the strength of our argument is grudgingly acknowledged.

Please link to these successful "dinosaur-bird" comparisons. I don't see any point "so heavily contested". We've suspected for decades that birds evolved from reptiles. You do understand that I can pendantically call you a fish, right? So I can claim that fish make fires by rubbing sticks together, right?

Birds don't have a civilization capable of building ocean-crossing boats, therefore Dinosaurs didn't have them either. Thanks for clearing that up!

Birds don't have a civilization capable of building ocean-crossing boats, therefore Dinosaurs didn't have them either.

Birds now a days can just fly (or in the case of penguins, swim) over the oceans. They have evolved to not need boats. Other dinosaurs however, had no such luxury.

Quote from: General Disarray on September 13, 2010, 01:07:08 PM

Birds don't have a civilization capable of building ocean-crossing boats, therefore Dinosaurs didn't have them either.

Please, that conclusion in now way follows from the preceding statement. After all, pre-historic humans did not have a civilisation capable of building ocean-crossing boats, but it does not follow that modern humans do not have one.

Quote from: General Disarray on September 13, 2010, 01:07:08 PM

Birds don't have a civilization capable of building ocean-crossing boats, therefore Dinosaurs didn't have them either.

Please, that conclusion in now way follows from the preceding statement. After all, pre-historic humans did not have a civilisation capable of building ocean-crossing boats, but it does not follow that modern humans do not have one.

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 13, 2010, 01:15:59 PM

Quote from: General Disarray on September 13, 2010, 01:07:08 PM

Birds don't have a civilization capable of building ocean-crossing boats, therefore Dinosaurs didn't have them either.

Please, that conclusion in now way follows from the preceding statement. After all, pre-historic humans did not have a civilisation capable of building ocean-crossing boats, but it does not follow that modern humans do not have one.

Birds have had millions of years to evolve since they were dinosaurs. If they had an advanced civilization back then, one can assume they would be even more advanced now.

Therefore they had to leave their technologies, and learn to be self-sufficient.

...different dinosaurs ran different niches in the society...

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 13, 2010, 01:30:03 PM

Therefore they had to leave their technologies, and learn to be self-sufficient.

Speculation alert, evidence requested.

It is common sense.

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 13, 2010, 01:34:54 PM

It is common sense.

EVIDENCE REQUESTED

It is common sense. Would farmers be able to run communication, nuclear power, inter-continental transportation, sanitation, civil works, and everything else for all of society, or would they have to learn to take care of their basic needs?

Quote from: General Disarray on September 13, 2010, 01:39:33 PM

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 13, 2010, 01:34:54 PM

It is common sense.

EVIDENCE REQUESTED

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 13, 2010, 01:34:54 PM

It is common sense. Would farmers be able to run communication, nuclear power, inter-continental transportation, sanitation, civil works, and everything else for all of society, or would they have to learn to take care of their basic needs?

It is common sense.

Quote from: General Disarray on September 13, 2010, 01:39:33 PM

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 13, 2010, 01:34:54 PM

It is common sense.

EVIDENCE REQUESTED

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 13, 2010, 01:34:54 PM

It is common sense. Would farmers be able to run communication, nuclear power, inter-continental transportation, sanitation, civil works, and everything else for all of society, or would they have to learn to take care of their basic needs?

Your counter-example is in the wrong order. The lesser-evolved should not in general have more advanced technique than their successorts. N-ADs should not be expected to have something the avians don't now.  Prehistoric humans being less advanced than modern humans should not be expected to have more capabilities than modern humans.

Birds have had millions of years to evolve since they were dinosaurs. If they had an advanced civilization back then, one can assume they would be even more advanced now.

Quote from: ClockTower on September 13, 2010, 01:20:22 PM

Your counter-example is in the wrong order. The lesser-evolved should not in general have more advanced technique than their successorts. N-ADs should not be expected to have something the avians don't now.  Prehistoric humans being less advanced than modern humans should not be expected to have more capabilities than modern humans.

Why do you conclude that birds are 'lesser-evolved'? They have evolved wings, reduced their weight so as to be buoyant, and thus removed the need to construct boats.

Why do you conclude that birds are 'lesser-evolved'? They have evolved wings, reduced their weight so as to be buoyant, and thus removed the need to construct boats. 

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 13, 2010, 01:45:28 PM

Quote from: ClockTower on September 13, 2010, 01:20:22 PM

Your counter-example is in the wrong order. The lesser-evolved should not in general have more advanced technique than their successorts. N-ADs should not be expected to have something the avians don't now.  Prehistoric humans being less advanced than modern humans should not be expected to have more capabilities than modern humans.

Why do you conclude that birds are 'lesser-evolved'? They have evolved wings, reduced their weight so as to be buoyant, and thus removed the need to construct boats.

I did not conclude that birds are 'lesser-evolved'. The very concept that a sea-faring civilization is less evolved than modern birds is quite ridiculous. Boats serve more purposes than just transporting individual members of the civilization, including such as the USNSes Mercy's and Comfort's relief and aid.

It is ridiculous to think that a sea-faring civilization is less evolved than a flying one? 

The only reason why we still use boats is because they are more cost effective and can currently carry more than our aircraft can. If we could get massive air carriers that cost less than the ships, and could carry as much, I assure you we would be using them.

It is ridiculous to think that a sea-faring civilization is less evolved than a flying one? 

The only reason why we still use boats is because they are more cost effective and can currently carry more than our aircraft can. If we could get massive air carriers that cost less than the ships, and could carry as much, I assure you we would be using them.

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 13, 2010, 03:38:03 PM

It is ridiculous to think that a sea-faring civilization is less evolved than a flying one? 

The only reason why we still use boats is because they are more cost effective and can currently carry more than our aircraft can. If we could get massive air carriers that cost less than the ships, and could carry as much, I assure you we would be using them.

Not necessarily.  As you said, boats can carry more than aircraft, yet far more people cross oceans via aircraft than by ship.  There is also a booming international air freight system that you shouldn't forget about.  There is a balance between cost effectiveness and time sensitivity.

Quote from: markjo on September 13, 2010, 05:26:21 PM

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 13, 2010, 03:38:03 PM

It is ridiculous to think that a sea-faring civilization is less evolved than a flying one? 

The only reason why we still use boats is because they are more cost effective and can currently carry more than our aircraft can. If we could get massive air carriers that cost less than the ships, and could carry as much, I assure you we would be using them.

Not necessarily.  As you said, boats can carry more than aircraft, yet far more people cross oceans via aircraft than by ship.  There is also a booming international air freight system that you shouldn't forget about.  There is a balance between cost effectiveness and time sensitivity.

That is rather my point though. Flying is far quicker, therefore if we were able to cut the costs of flight, would you not agree that most likely everything would be done through flight. This however, would have a greater need on on more advanced technologies. Hence why flying civilizations would be more advanced than sea faring ones.

It is common sense. Would farmers be able to run communication, nuclear power, inter-continental transportation, sanitation, civil works, and everything else for all of society, or would they have to learn to take care of their basic needs?

Watching avian dinosaurs interact amongst each other in the trees is one of the most beautiful things I have ever watched. Indeed, if I did not need to eat and sleep, I could spend an entire week watching them (nonstop!) live in their advanced designated society/community with great content. Is there anything more touching?

Birds also have art and beautiful music. Who is to say that we are more advanced than they are?

I would also like to point out that a bird's nest is very similar to a boat. If a dinosaur can build a boat-like nest, couldn't a dinosaur build a nest-like boat?

That is rather my point though. Flying is far quicker, therefore if we were able to cut the costs of flight, would you not agree that most likely everything would be done through flight. This however, would have a greater need on on more advanced technologies. Hence why flying civilizations would be more advanced than sea faring ones.

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 13, 2010, 05:53:32 PM

That is rather my point though. Flying is far quicker, therefore if we were able to cut the costs of flight, would you not agree that most likely everything would be done through flight. This however, would have a greater need on on more advanced technologies. Hence why flying civilizations would be more advanced than sea faring ones.

It depends on living conditions and environment. You don't build sea faring civilization on place where there is no sea. And talking about speed and advanced technology then the civilization who teleport things would be more advanced than flying or sea faring ones.

Quote from: zork on September 13, 2010, 10:35:07 PM

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 13, 2010, 05:53:32 PM

That is rather my point though. Flying is far quicker, therefore if we were able to cut the costs of flight, would you not agree that most likely everything would be done through flight. This however, would have a greater need on on more advanced technologies. Hence why flying civilizations would be more advanced than sea faring ones.

It depends on living conditions and environment. You don't build sea faring civilization on place where there is no sea. And talking about speed and advanced technology then the civilization who teleport things would be more advanced than flying or sea faring ones.

All of your statements are correct. If there were any teleporting dinosaurs they would most certainly be more advanced than the flying ones.

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 13, 2010, 10:36:45 PM

Quote from: zork on September 13, 2010, 10:35:07 PM

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on September 13, 2010, 05:53:32 PM

That is rather my point though. Flying is far quicker, therefore if we were able to cut the costs of flight, would you not agree that most likely everything would be done through flight. This however, would have a greater need on on more advanced technologies. Hence why flying civilizations would be more advanced than sea faring ones.

It depends on living conditions and environment. You don't build sea faring civilization on place where there is no sea. And talking about speed and advanced technology then the civilization who teleport things would be more advanced than flying or sea faring ones.

All of your statements are correct. If there were any teleporting dinosaurs they would most certainly be more advanced than the flying ones.

Do you have proof that there weren't?