Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.

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EnglshGentleman

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Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« on: October 25, 2010, 09:46:36 AM »
I wonder why?  ::)

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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2010, 10:20:06 AM »
Lol. Is there any linkage to be had?
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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2010, 10:55:44 AM »
I'll have to look. All I can see is that under "group" instead of it saying "veteran member" it now says "banned".

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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2010, 11:21:59 AM »
I don't see him much.  Is he the guy who keeps the creationism thread alive?
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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2010, 11:26:16 AM »
No, you (and others) were banned because you broke the forum rules. The Moderator fully explains himself when they resort to banning, in your case you were banned for:

1. Complaining about board moderation.
2. Trolling
3. Clear cases of misrepresentation
4. Wasting time

You clearly never read the forum rules.

I offered an open debate to our origins, and linked to where it can be done. Contrary to the lies you are posting here about the forum, Evolutionfairytale accepts all worldviews. There are Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists etc on the forum, those that are polite and can debate properly don't find themselves banned. It was clear though from the start you don't want a clean honest debate; all you resort to is lying and abusing others and that of course is so easy to do behind the safety of your keyboard.

We don't have time for troublemakers and trolls... at Evolutionfairytale forums.

I've only been here for a few weeks and created three or four thread (two on science). But in most of my thread all i got (and still am) recieving is personal attacks or trolls who join the thread to just leave one-liners calling you a troll. Truelly bizarre.

You can't debate on this forum without being called a troll (by trolls), or secondly without recieving personal abuse.

In one of my threads i recieved a comment ''The OP is a faggot'', followed by ''you are a troll'' (three or four times).

Note: I don't believe the earth is flat, however it is a topic i've researched for several years and i even pasted a small part of a research paper i wrote here. So even round earth believers and just casual neutral visitors who join this forum are personally attacked or called trolls.

I don't know why people are obsessed with the t word on this forum, but it's overusage just destroys every thread, even legitimate threads.

I don't know what you're implying, but you're probably wrong.

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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2010, 01:11:22 PM »
Yeah in his sig on his profile it says this:  "Banned for not heeding several warnings. And attacking another member in his Sig,

Do not respond to his post."


I think it might have been about his dishonest exchange with geode.

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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2010, 10:13:58 AM »
I intentionally banned my account, for several reasons.

The first being, i am no longer a 'Young Earth Creationist'. I had already emailed the mods about my change in beliefs, this mainly arose after i studied early Genesis from P. J Wiseman's view. As a classicist, i study Genesis in it's original (ancient) context, this is why i was mostly ostracized on the forum because most my posts were about ancient history and not science. Most my threads because of the history content were also not getting many replies, and i got tired of sharing all my research just for it to be neglected. You can look numerous threads up where i spent ages typing stuff out, just to get one or two (if lucky) responces. There are little discussions or debates on the forum about history, it's all instead about biology or other sciences.

Secondly, over some time i grew quite paranoid about some other users on the forum. While the mods are legitimate Christians and creationists (and several other forum members), there were (and still are) people joining the forum under false world views. I won't list names, but there are numerous atheists there posing as theistic evolutionists and secondly there are several evolutionists posing as creationists. In fact one member is a young (probably 14-16 year old) atheist/evolutionist pretending to be a 35 year old female Jehovah Witness married with children. Since the mods can't see who is who in the real world, they just allow all these fake accounts to persist.

The Mods there are intelligent decent Christian folk, and i hold nothing against them banning me. I have nothing against the forum, and enjoyed my stay there - but for the reasons outlined above i have no interest in EvolutionFairytale anymore.
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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2010, 10:23:06 AM »
We have one or two history buffs here that are probably willing to debate.  You've already met 17 November, who seems quite well versed in history, and if you want a real challenge, read some of Levee's posts, and if you're lucky he may even pay one of your threads a visit.
I don't know what you're implying, but you're probably wrong.

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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2010, 12:10:44 PM »
The Mods there are intelligent decent Christian folk

That's a rare thing, indeed.
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2010, 03:24:11 PM »
I intentionally banned my account, for several reasons.

The first being, i am no longer a 'Young Earth Creationist'. I had already emailed the mods about my change in beliefs, this mainly arose after i studied early Genesis from P. J Wiseman's view. As a classicist, i study Genesis in it's original (ancient) context, this is why i was mostly ostracized on the forum because most my posts were about ancient history and not science. Most my threads because of the history content were also not getting many replies, and i got tired of sharing all my research just for it to be neglected. You can look numerous threads up where i spent ages typing stuff out, just to get one or two (if lucky) responces. There are little discussions or debates on the forum about history, it's all instead about biology or other sciences.

Secondly, over some time i grew quite paranoid about some other users on the forum. While the mods are legitimate Christians and creationists (and several other forum members), there were (and still are) people joining the forum under false world views. I won't list names, but there are numerous atheists there posing as theistic evolutionists and secondly there are several evolutionists posing as creationists. In fact one member is a young (probably 14-16 year old) atheist/evolutionist pretending to be a 35 year old female Jehovah Witness married with children. Since the mods can't see who is who in the real world, they just allow all these fake accounts to persist.

The Mods there are intelligent decent Christian folk, and i hold nothing against them banning me. I have nothing against the forum, and enjoyed my stay there - but for the reasons outlined above i have no interest in EvolutionFairytale anymore.

tl;dr you can get banned solely for your beliefs.

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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2010, 03:52:58 PM »
Obviously, if you say the same things there than here, no wonder even creacionists don't want you around.
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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2010, 09:01:13 PM »
As a classicist, i study Genesis in it's original (ancient) context...

I'm not trying to dump on you, but I find this comment ironic as you deny that ancient Hebrews (like all the ancient semitic peoples) held flat earth cosmology.
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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2010, 12:38:34 AM »
Also, I bet $50 that he can't read hebrew.
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2010, 03:51:23 AM »
Genesis in its original context is quite clearly metaphorical (a priest I know agrees with me on this), so I don't know what you are on with, Cassiterides.
Also, I bet $50 that he can't read hebrew.
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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2010, 04:37:16 AM »
Of course, if you talk with any non-radical religious person, and i have my parents, the priest from my church (who i don't see since i became agnostic), some friends, they all agree, and with good reasons that the Genesis is a metaphore.
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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2010, 04:54:57 AM »
Biblical literalism as a whole is a bad idea. although there is some historical accuracy to the bible, like the early Jews being used by the Egyptians as a workforce, a lot of details were either lost in translation or entirely made up. For example, the Jews were used as a workforce in Egypt at some point, according to some historians, but they were not slaves. They were actually paid contractors.
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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2010, 04:59:36 AM »
Yeah in his sig on his profile it says this:  "Banned for not heeding several warnings. And attacking another member in his Sig,

Do not respond to his post."


I think it might have been about his dishonest exchange with geode.

I went over to that other board and saw the thread where Cassiterides was in fact very dishonest in what he said about geode. I wonder if geode was the individual that he attacked in his sig? From what I read I am surprised he wasn't banned earlier as I would think he would be a creationist's worst nightmare, someone who is so belligerent and dishonest that he would give any group he was associated with a bad name. He also appears to have posted YEC ideas even discredited by creationist associations and creationists in general.

However, I saw also saw where an admin unfairly warned geode of being on thin ice when geode properly took exception with Cassiterides. The admin said that geode was slandering Cassiterides when as far as I could tell geode had no malicious intent and simply stated a couple of facts. The admin used a classic quote-mine taking fragments from two different paragraphs geode had written to make defend what he had posted and still fell flat on his face in his attempt to back his accusation.

Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2010, 05:33:00 AM »
If you're not a Young Earth Creationist anymore, then what are you exactly Cassiterides?

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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2010, 05:45:09 AM »
I intentionally banned my account, for several reasons.


Secondly, over some time i grew quite paranoid about some other users on the forum. While the mods are legitimate Christians and creationists (and several other forum members), there were (and still are) people joining the forum under false world views. I won't list names, but there are numerous atheists there posing as theistic evolutionists and secondly there are several evolutionists posing as creationists. In fact one member is a young (probably 14-16 year old) atheist/evolutionist pretending to be a 35 year old female Jehovah Witness married with children. Since the mods can't see who is who in the real world, they just allow all these fake accounts to persist.


God forbid that ever happens to this forum!

Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2010, 06:03:25 AM »
I intentionally banned my account, for several reasons.

The first being, i am no longer a 'Young Earth Creationist'. I had already emailed the mods about my change in beliefs, this mainly arose after i studied early Genesis from P. J Wiseman's view. As a classicist, i study Genesis in it's original (ancient) context, this is why i was mostly ostracized on the forum because most my posts were about ancient history and not science. Most my threads because of the history content were also not getting many replies, and i got tired of sharing all my research just for it to be neglected. You can look numerous threads up where i spent ages typing stuff out, just to get one or two (if lucky) responces. There are little discussions or debates on the forum about history, it's all instead about biology or other sciences.

Secondly, over some time i grew quite paranoid about some other users on the forum. While the mods are legitimate Christians and creationists (and several other forum members), there were (and still are) people joining the forum under false world views. I won't list names, but there are numerous atheists there posing as theistic evolutionists and secondly there are several evolutionists posing as creationists. In fact one member is a young (probably 14-16 year old) atheist/evolutionist pretending to be a 35 year old female Jehovah Witness married with children. Since the mods can't see who is who in the real world, they just allow all these fake accounts to persist.

The Mods there are intelligent decent Christian folk, and i hold nothing against them banning me. I have nothing against the forum, and enjoyed my stay there - but for the reasons outlined above i have no interest in EvolutionFairytale anymore.

So how were you better able to detemine the false accounts than the admins? Do you have clairvoyant powers that they lack that allowed you to expose what appears to everyone else to be a legit Jehovah Witness?

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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2010, 10:28:57 AM »
Of course, if you talk with any non-radical religious person, and i have my parents, the priest from my church (who i don't see since i became agnostic), some friends, they all agree, and with good reasons that the Genesis is a metaphore.

If you don't take Genesis word for word then there is no point for Jesus to come and sac himself to negate origional sin.

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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2010, 12:43:08 PM »
Of course, if you talk with any non-radical religious person, and i have my parents, the priest from my church (who i don't see since i became agnostic), some friends, they all agree, and with good reasons that the Genesis is a metaphore.

If you don't take Genesis word for word then there is no point for Jesus to come and sac himself to negate origional sin.

Exactly why the fundies need the Adam and Eve story to be literal.  Without original sin Jesus died for nothing.

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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2010, 12:50:44 PM »
Of course, if you talk with any non-radical religious person, and i have my parents, the priest from my church (who i don't see since i became agnostic), some friends, they all agree, and with good reasons that the Genesis is a metaphore.

If you don't take Genesis word for word then there is no point for Jesus to come and sac himself to negate origional sin.

One of the many contradictions in the book.
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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2010, 05:10:49 PM »
So how were you better able to detemine the false accounts than the admins? Do you have clairvoyant powers that they lack that allowed you to expose what appears to everyone else to be a legit Jehovah Witness?

Because the user posing as a JW stalked me from another forum. I have their facebook, myspace account etc and even their email adress. They are 16 years old, not a 35 year old JW. Also both their facebook and myspace pages state their religion as 'atheist'.

The admins/mods don't have time to go through all the emails etc to see who is legit. If you actually look the forum gets around 50 new registered users every week. The mods don't have time to check every person out. That is the downside of all public/open forums, you don't know who really is behind the other end. There are too many people who join under false worldviews.
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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2010, 07:10:43 PM »
So how were you better able to detemine the false accounts than the admins? Do you have clairvoyant powers that they lack that allowed you to expose what appears to everyone else to be a legit Jehovah Witness?

Because the user posing as a JW stalked me from another forum. I have their facebook, myspace account etc and even their email adress. They are 16 years old, not a 35 year old JW. Also both their facebook and myspace pages state their religion as 'atheist'.

The admins/mods don't have time to go through all the emails etc to see who is legit. If you actually look the forum gets around 50 new registered users every week. The mods don't have time to check every person out. That is the downside of all public/open forums, you don't know who really is behind the other end. There are too many people who join under false worldviews.

Why does the forum ban other viewpoints? Why not just ban trolls?

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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2010, 07:54:00 PM »
So how were you better able to detemine the false accounts than the admins? Do you have clairvoyant powers that they lack that allowed you to expose what appears to everyone else to be a legit Jehovah Witness?

Because the user posing as a JW stalked me from another forum. I have their facebook, myspace account etc and even their email adress. They are 16 years old, not a 35 year old JW. Also both their facebook and myspace pages state their religion as 'atheist'.

The admins/mods don't have time to go through all the emails etc to see who is legit. If you actually look the forum gets around 50 new registered users every week. The mods don't have time to check every person out. That is the downside of all public/open forums, you don't know who really is behind the other end. There are too many people who join under false worldviews.

Why does the forum ban other viewpoints? Why not just ban trolls?

It is rather unfortunate that all who possess alternative viewpoints can't be as tolerant of those who disagree with them as FEers are.  :(
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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2010, 08:33:53 PM »
So how were you better able to detemine the false accounts than the admins? Do you have clairvoyant powers that they lack that allowed you to expose what appears to everyone else to be a legit Jehovah Witness?

Because the user posing as a JW stalked me from another forum. I have their facebook, myspace account etc and even their email adress. They are 16 years old, not a 35 year old JW. Also both their facebook and myspace pages state their religion as 'atheist'.

The admins/mods don't have time to go through all the emails etc to see who is legit. If you actually look the forum gets around 50 new registered users every week. The mods don't have time to check every person out. That is the downside of all public/open forums, you don't know who really is behind the other end. There are too many people who join under false worldviews.

So this person used the same ID on the Evolution FairyTale site as in a different forum, and you could tell that the person is one and the same? I don't think facebook and myspace pages exist for somebody named MamaElephant, so how do you conclude that the people are one and the same?

Of course the admins can't check everyone out as to what they do elsewhere, it would be hard to accomplish. I don't think you have accomplished this either and are jumping to a false conclusion.

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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2010, 01:35:18 AM »
Of course, if you talk with any non-radical religious person, and i have my parents, the priest from my church (who i don't see since i became agnostic), some friends, they all agree, and with good reasons that the Genesis is a metaphore.

If you don't take Genesis word for word then there is no point for Jesus to come and sac himself to negate origional sin.

Exactly why the fundies need the Adam and Eve story to be literal.  Without original sin Jesus died for nothing.

Not really, though. With the things that the Christians deem sin, you're a sinner before you've learned to spell right. Remember, just thinking about sin makes you a sinner. Jesus said it, so it must be true.
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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2010, 08:53:46 AM »
If you're not a Young Earth Creationist anymore, then what are you exactly Cassiterides?

Cassiterides, I'd be delighted if you would answer my question above please.  You have debated hard and strong as a YEC'er for the last few months that I've been aware of you and I would like to know why you have changed your mind so spectacularly in the last few days. 

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Re: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2010, 12:48:39 PM »
Ok, just to clear this up. I left YEC after i realised the ''days'' in Genesis 1 are not the time period God created, but the time period God revealed the creation to man. This means the days are still literal 24 hour periods but that this time was when Adam recieved the revelation about creation during the 6 days, about 6,000 years ago.

What changed my mind? I noticed that God was giving personal names for what He had created i.e calling the light 'day'. Why would God do this, unless He is speaking directly to man? If we take the standard YEC position that God created the light before man, why is the light named before man? It becomes obvious from this perspective that the entire Genesis creation account is God revealing to man about the creation, but not the creation itself in the sense of the sequence of how it was done during six days. The six days though were as i said still literal 24 hours days as we know them, but rather than being the six days God created they were the sic days that God revealed to Adam about the creation. This happened about 6,000 years ago.

This means as far as time, cosmology etc is concerned there are no problems for vast ages as having existed. However, Wiseman's view (the guy who developed the revelation theory about creation) is that we can not put a date for the age of the universe, earth etc. I therefore now hold nothing against YEC (Young Earth Creationism), OEC (Old Earth Creationism) or any other age theories. We don't have a time machine, so arguing over this is also pointless and i've wasted a lot of time on this issue when it isn't even relevant.

Regarding the age and history of man, we are about 6,000 years old. Adam is dated 1656 years prior to the flood, and so we have an exact dating for him. Recorded history only began about 5,000 years ago and therefore there is no evidence man is anything older than a few thousand years old. I still believe evolution is a fairytale/hoax and always will do. Evolution is opposed by the Bible but also by science. Real science is what we can observe, test and repeat. Evolution has never been observed and cannot be tested.
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