24 hours of sunlight during the antarctic summer?

I don't get how the FE model of the seasons explains sunlight hours in the southern hemisphere. During summer, there is at least one 24 hour period of continuous sunlight over Antarctica. How can this happen while also having total darkness over the north pole?

From where in Antarctica and do you have evidence of this?

January 1 in Casey Antarctica for example. timeanddate.com has hours of the day for anywhere in the world. If you don't believe this site, you could also visit usuaia Argentina (southernmost city in the world) where there are 18 hours of sun in the summer. How do you sun in the FE model that both delivers 18 hours of sunlight In usuaia and no sun in the north pole?

Its interesting that FE theory claims to be based on many facts that seem self evident, yet if any if them had lived in the southern hemisphere, it would have been "self evident" that Antarctica should be in the middle of their model and the north pole be the "wall of ice". Of course, this would clash with the self evident reality of anyone north of the equator. In the end, the theory cannot be defended.

January 1 in Casey Antarctica for example. timeanddate.com has hours of the day for anywhere in the world. If you don't believe this site, you could also visit usuaia Argentina (southernmost city in the world) where there are 18 hours of sun in the summer. How do you sun in the FE model that both delivers 18 hours of sunlight In usuaia and no sun in the north pole?

Well, I do not know for a fact because I've never been there.  If you are familiar with the flat circular Earth map, when the sun is in the South (Antarctic ring), it is too far for the North to receive any sunlight.  And the sun takes longer to make one full circle in the South so the days are shorter...like say 6 hrs but ONLY in one section at a time as it travels in it's circular path.  So, it is my suspicion that they add the (3) sections together, coming up with a total of 18 hrs. of sunlight.

Well... you have never been there but hundreds of thousands of people live there and you could just call them up and ask them how many continuous hours of sunlight they get in the summer. They speak Spanish so that might be hard. You can also try wellington new Zealand. They get 15 hours of continuous sunlight in the summer. Call up the american embassy there or the mayors hotline.

Or, you could just take my word for it. I lived in Mendoza Argentina and our summer days were up to 14 hours long

Hundreds of thousands of people do not live there! I am NOT talking about Argentina in South America. I'm talking about theclaimed territory of the Antarctica penninsula where the southernmost city you mentioned is located.

The southernmost perpetually habituated city in the world is usuaia in Argentina. They receive 18 hours of continuous sunlight in the summer. Casey Antarctica receives 24 hours of sunlight for at least one day in the summer, but it is only a small outpost.

It is actually spelled Ushuaia

One other interesting question about hours of sunlight in the southern summer: on Dec 23 2013, the sun set in Santiago de Chile at 9pm. At that exact moment, it was 11 am in Sidney Australia and the midday sun was shining bright. In the FE model of the earth, how can the sunlight possibly be seen in both Chile and Australia while it was pitch dark in the north pole???

I was wrong. I thought it was on Antarctica. I got your two locations mixed up (Casey Station). Anyway, the only answer I have is that Ushuaia may be the farthest city South but Antarctica is the furthest location on Earth. Therefore the only way to know for sure how much sunlight is there, is to see it with your own eyes.

Or you can just call up anyone in ushuaia. If you don't know Spanish, try calling up any hotel in wellington new Zealand and ask them how long their summer days are.. they will tell you that they can be up to 15 hours long. This fact alone cannot be explained by the FE model.

If you really want to confirm times for Antarctica, try contacting McMurdo Station, or better yet, Amundsen-Scott Station, which is manned year-round and located ~100m from the South Geographic Pole.

Quote from: nanu on June 25, 2013, 10:04:18 PM

One other interesting question about hours of sunlight in the southern summer: on Dec 23 2013, the sun set in Santiago de Chile at 9pm. At that exact moment, it was 11 am in Sidney Australia and the midday sun was shining bright. In the FE model of the earth, how can the sunlight possibly be seen in both Chile and Australia while it was pitch dark in the north pole???

Perfect reflection.

I do not know what this means.

Rama: it means that in the winter solstice (DEC 21), while it is the shortest day of the year in the north, this concedes with the summer solstice and the longest day in the South (ask any of the billions of people that live south of the equator). During this day, the sun shines over both Australia and south america at the same time. Also, there is no sun shining over the north pole. Take a look at the "winter" orbit of the sun in the FE model of the seasons and also take a look at the flat earth map.How can the sun shine over both south america and Australia simultaniously without also shining over the north pole?

From where in Antarctica and do you have evidence of this?

I've never understood this line of reasoning that there is a conspiracy amongst those who claim to have visited Antarctica...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_stations_in_Antarctica

Here are a list of research stations that have been utilised over the past 65+ years or so on Antarctica. Many people have been to Antarctica, many people have witnessed the prolonged periods of time where the sun hasn't set or there has been complete darkness.

And this is yet to be explained in a flat earth model and even if it was, evidence for the explanation still has to be accumulated.

Fun factoid: The northern most reaches of Antarctica are not within the Antarctic Circle and will not witness the midnight sun.

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There's a south pole solar transit video for you.

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There's a south pole solar transit video for you.

Why doesn't that link go directly to Youtube?  I don't like having to install an app. on my computer.

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There's a south pole solar transit video for you.

Why doesn't that link go directly to Youtube?  I don't like having to install an app. on my computer.

I posted from a phone,  so it's the mobile site.

But where exactly was this?  It just says South Pole.  I don't know....I guess I will just have to go there one day and see for myself.  No point arguing about it.

But where exactly was this?  It just says South Pole.  I don't know....I guess I will just have to go there one day and see for myself.  No point arguing about it.

The video says it was taken at the south pole, there aren't a whole lot of locations it could be,  it was probably taken at the south pole station. 

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 26, 2013, 01:07:29 AM

Quote from: nanu on June 25, 2013, 10:04:18 PM

One other interesting question about hours of sunlight in the southern summer: on Dec 23 2013, the sun set in Santiago de Chile at 9pm. At that exact moment, it was 11 am in Sidney Australia and the midday sun was shining bright. In the FE model of the earth, how can the sunlight possibly be seen in both Chile and Australia while it was pitch dark in the north pole???

Perfect reflection.

I do not know what this means.

A better explanation is this: on December 21, 2012, at 9:30pm GMT, sunlight and night in the globe was as in the picture attached.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/1hl.png/

How can you possibly get this kind of daylight coverage (both Australia and south america bathed in light while the north pole is pitch black) in the FE projection of the world?

This picture shows how difficult that is:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/89/bgew.jpg/

But where exactly was this?  It just says South Pole.  I don't know....I guess I will just have to go there one day and see for myself.  No point arguing about it.

I thought this was a debate forum. The whole point is to argue about it. My real question is that I would like to understand how FE theory explains really long daylight hours in late December experienced every year by millions living in cities in the far south. Wellington New Zealand receives 15 hours of sunlight and you don't have to go there to verify this, just pick up the phone and call any hotel there. The explanation of the seasons in the FAQ showing the sun moving to a third outer orbit cannot explain how the sun shines over wellington for more than half of the day during December.

A better explanation is this: on December 21, 2012, at 9:30pm GMT, sunlight and night in the globe was as in the picture attached.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/1hl.png/

How can you possibly get this kind of daylight coverage (both Australia and south america bathed in light while the north pole is pitch black) in the FE projection of the world?

This picture shows how difficult that is:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/89/bgew.jpg/

Ok, so here's how that works...by the time the sun is setting in Chile at 9pm, it is more than half way to Australia and shining brightly there.  Sunrise in Sydney on that day was approx. 10 til 6 am.  That means the sun can shine on half the semi-circle of flat Earth before it is no longer visible.  This jives with RET.  It does not shine in the N. Pole, because it's closer to the S. Pole that time of year.
That second image showing the sunlight, is inaccurate.

Quote from: nanu on June 25, 2013, 10:04:18 PM

One other interesting question about hours of sunlight in the southern summer: on Dec 23 2013, the sun set in Santiago de Chile at 9pm. At that exact moment, it was 11 am in Sidney Australia and the midday sun was shining bright. In the FE model of the earth, how can the sunlight possibly be seen in both Chile and Australia while it was pitch dark in the north pole???

Perfect reflection.

Perfect reflection of what off of what?

Quote from: nanu on June 26, 2013, 08:29:45 AM

A better explanation is this: on December 21, 2012, at 9:30pm GMT, sunlight and night in the globe was as in the picture attached.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/1hl.png/

How can you possibly get this kind of daylight coverage (both Australia and south america bathed in light while the north pole is pitch black) in the FE projection of the world?

This picture shows how difficult that is:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/89/bgew.jpg/

Ok, so here's how that works...by the time the sun is setting in Chile at 9pm, it is more than half way to Australia and shining brightly there.  Sunrise in Sydney on that day was approx. 10 til 6 am.  That means the sun can shine on half the semi-circle of flat Earth before it is no longer visible.  This jives with RET.  It does not shine in the N. Pole, because it's closer to the S. Pole that time of year.
That second image showing the sunlight, is inaccurate.

If I understand FET correctly, the sun shines a "spotlight" down on earth. The shape of that spotlight is a circle. If you are in that spotlight, you can see the sun, if you are not in that spotlight, it is nighttime and you cannot see that sun. If the sun can be seen from both Australia and South america at the same time, then they must be inside the spotlight. Can you draw the circular spotlight of the sun to encompass most of Australia and most of south america and  somehow not also encompass the northern tip of Alaska (which will be in nighttime)? if you can, please show that drawing. Or am I not understanding FET correctly? How can that ever happen if the FE behaves like in the below image:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/39/6gk.gif/

How can Wellington NZ receive 15 hours of sunlight (more than half the day)? In the above animation, Wellington is mostly in nighttime.

The sun may be sighted in the antarctic summer due to the Novaya Zemlya effect.

The sun may be sighted in the antarctic summer due to the Novaya Zemlya effect.

You cannot model that effect to a flat earth and get what is observed.