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« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2007, 12:01:27 PM »
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no really i just debunked the theory with a simple rhetorical question

Well I thought it was funny.  

You're not understanding acceleration.  There are plenty of threads explaining this exact thing.  However, I'm going to assume you will whine about how you don't know how to use the search feature and thus cannot look this up.  

Your hair stands up because you are effectively weightless for that brief moment.  Your hair is in free fall (as are you) until the Earth catches up with you.

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« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2007, 12:07:43 PM »
Quote from: "EvilToothpaste"
Quote from: "The Government"
no really i just debunked the theory with a simple rhetorical question

Well I thought it was funny.  

You're not understanding acceleration.  There are plenty of threads explaining this exact thing.  However, I'm going to assume you will whine about how you don't know how to use the search feature and thus cannot look this up.  

Your hair stands up because you are effectively weightless for that brief moment.  Your hair is in free fall (as are you) until the Earth catches up with you.

That doesn't mean the hair should stand upwards. It should be in the same position as it was. You need an acceleration in the opposite direction to make the hair stand up. You only get an acceleration in the opposite direction if your moving back to were you came from. You can only move into the direction you came from if something is pulling you back. The thing that pulls you back is called "gravity".
Before telling someone else he doesn't understand acceleration, make sure you understand.

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« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2007, 12:10:13 PM »
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not sure if you heard of cruising speed? constant altitude...

so whenever im flying my altitude indicator always looks like this?

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You should not link to a picture without permission; webhosts dislike that very much.  

I have heard of cruising speed and it has nothing to do with the accelerating that keeps us on the ground as well as the floor of an airplane.  

Why would your altitude change?  Altimeters use barometric pressure to calculate distance from sea level.  Why would pressure change at a constant altitude on a flat Earth as opposed to a round Earth?

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« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2007, 12:14:16 PM »
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That doesn't mean the hair should stand upwards. It should be in the same position as it was. You need an acceleration in the opposite direction to make the hair stand up. You only get an acceleration in the opposite direction if your moving back to were you came from. You can only move into the direction you came from if something is pulling you back. The thing that pulls you back is called "gravity".
Before telling someone else he doesn't understand acceleration, make sure you understand.

When you are weightless there is nothing holding your hair down (or anywhich direction) so it goes wherever the wind takes it.  As air rushes up around you it pushes your hair up right along with it.   The terminal free fall speed of hair is much much smaller than that of your ass.

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« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2007, 12:14:36 PM »
if you have something suspended in mid-air with a ground that moving upward, it will hit that object unless that object is moving up at the greater or equal speed as the ground...
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« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2007, 12:17:19 PM »
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if you have something suspended in mid-air with a ground that moving upward, it will hit that object unless that object is moving up at the greater or equal speed as the ground...

You're assuming the air is not being pushed by the Earth.  Neglecting wind, air is stationary with respect to the Earth.

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« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2007, 12:19:03 PM »
if you read earlier in this thread masterchief stated that the FE earth is constantly going upward
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« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2007, 12:21:50 PM »
Quote from: "EvilToothpaste"
Quote from: "Webboarder"
That doesn't mean the hair should stand upwards. It should be in the same position as it was. You need an acceleration in the opposite direction to make the hair stand up. You only get an acceleration in the opposite direction if your moving back to were you came from. You can only move into the direction you came from if something is pulling you back. The thing that pulls you back is called "gravity".
Before telling someone else he doesn't understand acceleration, make sure you understand.

When you are weightless there is nothing holding your hair down (or anywhich direction) so it goes wherever the wind takes it.  As air rushes up around you it pushes your hair up right along with it.   The terminal free fall speed of hair is much much smaller than that of your ass.

First of all, since you speek of terminal fall speed, if assume you admit gravity exists (instead of earth accelerating upwards).
Second, when you fall back to earth, from a small jump in the air, the wind isn't going fast enough to push it up as high as you see. There is another force helping it, called acceleration. Acceleration to the ground.

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« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2007, 12:22:13 PM »
Quote from: "EvilToothpaste"
Quote from: "Webboarder"
That doesn't mean the hair should stand upwards. It should be in the same position as it was. You need an acceleration in the opposite direction to make the hair stand up. You only get an acceleration in the opposite direction if your moving back to were you came from. You can only move into the direction you came from if something is pulling you back. The thing that pulls you back is called "gravity".
Before telling someone else he doesn't understand acceleration, make sure you understand.

When you are weightless there is nothing holding your hair down (or anywhich direction) so it goes wherever the wind takes it.  As air rushes up around you it pushes your hair up right along with it.   The terminal free fall speed of hair is much much smaller than that of your ass.


your describing gravity, not acceleration... if there is no down motion, there cant be weightlessness

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« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2007, 12:32:16 PM »
Quote from: "Tom Bishop's Daddy"
if you read earlier in this thread masterchief stated that the FE earth is constantly going upward

Thank you for pointing that out.  If you read my post
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You're assuming the air is not being pushed by the Earth. Neglecting wind, air is stationary with respect to the Earth.

you would realize that that atmosphere is essentially stationary with respect to the Earth.  Unless you disagree?

Quote from: "Webboarder"
First of all, since you speek of terminal fall speed, if assume you admit gravity exists (instead of earth accelerating upwards).
Second, when you fall back to earth, from a small jump in the air, the wind isn't going fast enough to push it up as high as you see. There is another force helping it, called acceleration. Acceleration to the ground.

Terminal free fall is just terminology; semantics.  Acceleration is indistinguishable from gravity.  I would like you to demonstrate that air is not going fast enough to not push hair around when you jump.  

When you jump and are in free fall you feel no acceleration.  From "your" point of view the Earth is accelerating up to you.  

Quote from: "The Government"
your describing gravity, not acceleration... if there is no down motion, there cant be weightlessness

Down motion?  

What is the difference between gravity and acceleration?

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« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2007, 12:36:56 PM »
i would agree that the atmosphere is stationary with the earth on a RE specifically b.c a round earth is only rotating on its axis

i would disagree on a FE theory
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« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2007, 12:41:36 PM »
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i would disagree on a FE theory

Why?  How?  Are you saying the entire universe is filled with air and the survace of the flat Earth is just pushing its way through it?  Or somehow air is traveling through the Earth's surface?  I think we would notice that...

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« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2007, 12:43:47 PM »
i think we are on different pages here...

FE theory says that the earth is constantly going "upward"  correct?
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« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2007, 12:47:12 PM »
Correct; accelerating upwards more specifically.

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« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2007, 12:49:21 PM »
so we are constantly getting faster and faster? exactly how fast are we accelerating here?
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« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2007, 12:52:37 PM »
Quote from: "Tom Bishop's Daddy"
so we are constantly getting faster and faster? exactly how fast are we accelerating here?


According to the RE model, what's the acceleration due to gravity equal to?  Yeah, that'd be it.

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« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2007, 12:53:04 PM »
32 ft/s/s, aprox.

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« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2007, 01:05:39 PM »
ok just checking...b/c i swear i read some where about going faster than lightspeed
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« Reply #48 on: February 16, 2007, 01:44:07 PM »
Acceleration is not the same thing as speed, though.

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« Reply #49 on: February 16, 2007, 02:32:20 PM »
based on an accelleration of 32 feet per second per second, with the speed of light being approx. 186,282.397 miles per second (983,571,056.16 fps) the speed of light would be reached in approx. 356 days.

983,571,056.16 / 32 = 30,736,595.505

convert to minutes:

30,736,595.505 / 60 = 512,276.59175

convert to hours:

512,276.59175 / 60 = 8,537.9431958333333333333333333333

convert to days:

8,537.9431958333333333333333333333 / 24 = 355.74763315972222222222222222222

So if we are accellerating at 32 fps/s then we have long exceeded the universal speed limit.

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« Reply #50 on: February 16, 2007, 02:42:20 PM »
Oh, and BTW, once we reached the speed of light, we would be frozen in time since travelling through the first 3 dimensions at the speed of light means you are at a standstill in the 4th dimension.

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« Reply #51 on: February 16, 2007, 02:44:13 PM »
Uh, ever hear of Relativity? The earth would continue to approach the speed of light, without reaching it.

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« Reply #52 on: February 16, 2007, 03:04:00 PM »
So you're saying this flat Earth we live on has near infinite mass as well do all its inhabitants whom are moving at the same speed.

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« Reply #53 on: February 16, 2007, 03:09:43 PM »
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So you're saying this flat Earth we live on has near infinite mass as well do all its inhabitants whom are moving at the same speed.


Yes, and we're all gaining mass every moment of the day.

Don't you ever wonder why women always think they're getting fatter?

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« Reply #54 on: February 16, 2007, 03:11:39 PM »
You guys better not just cause you might just hit 88 mph!!!