We must have a serious discussion of the evidence.

Okay, here's a serious piece of evidence that the Earth is round:

When you are standing on the beach watching a boat approach over the horizon, you see the sails first, looking like they are sitting on top of the water.  As the boat gets closer, the sails seem to "rise" out of the water and the rest of the boat comes into view, from top to bottom.  Since we know that these boats have not "fallen off the edge of the Earth" and that theoretically the boat should appear all at the same tim on a flat surface, the only logical explanation is that the Earth is a sphere.

How do you flat-Earthers disprove that?

Quote from: "Maureen"

Okay, here's a serious piece of evidence that the Earth is round:

When you are standing on the beach watching a boat approach over the horizon, you see the sails first, looking like they are sitting on top of the water.  As the boat gets closer, the sails seem to "rise" out of the water and the rest of the boat comes into view, from top to bottom.  Since we know that these boats have not "fallen off the edge of the Earth" and that theoretically the boat should appear all at the same tim on a flat surface, the only logical explanation is that the Earth is a sphere.

How do you flat-Earthers disprove that?

By simply saying that the earth is not pefectly round, it is sort of dome shaped.

Despite how sarcastic you are and how much flat-earth bashing that you do there is one thing that you cannot say that you have witnessed. The Earth from space. You can claim that all the evidence supports your viewpoint but you cannot say that you have seen the earth in its true form. Pictures can be altered, evidence can be fabricated, but what you cannot control is the ability for someone to use their own common sense and see the judgment. That truth can be summed up by saying that the earth looks flat. And it is

Well there are two factors that occur when the boat is coming over the horizon.  Atmospheric distortion and waves in the water.  I don’t think that anyone can say that the ocean is completely flat, there is always some wave movement. Combine that with the fact that the boat is so far away and that explains why you can see the sails first before the boat. Waves in the water cover the hull of the ship and that is why you can only see the sails.  Combine that with atmospheric distortion and you can logically explain why this is so.  You can also use this to explain a ship sailing off into the distance as opposed to coming towards you.

whoa, steady on there Tiger, put away those fight'n gloves

If Enraged Penguin is admitting that a flat earth could also be a dome and we wouoldn't notice (for the record Mundi has proven why this is so viz the curve is so large its inperceptible.) then bullhorns "common sense" proof for the earth being flat is invalid. If a flat earth could be dome shaped and you wouldn't notice the curve it would follow the earth could be (for the record it IS (irrelevan statement I know) round and we would not notice the curve.


If flat earthers explaimn the phenomenon Maureen described above by saying the earth is impercetibly curved they must abandon the "look outside at the earth does it look round to you?" See those arguments are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE you can use one but not the other as they directly contradict each others premise.
An enraged
Cinlef

I know this I'm just pointing out that using that as an explanation discounts bullhorns stupid the earth looks flat a roudn earth would look curved argument.
An enraged
Cinlef

Enraged Penguin I would argue with that statement but I'd like first to adress bullhorns point.
bullhorn you must either logically prove the atmospheric distortion your talking about or stop using it. See unlike you seem to think I dont blindly accept things they must be proven to me.
To do this you must start with things that I can personally test these statements must if taken to their logical extension prove that the atmosphere would distort things the way you describe. If you cant do that its an invalid argument.
Enraged Penuing you said

Quote from: "EnragedPenguin"

Quote from: "Maureen"

Okay, here's a serious piece of evidence that the Earth is round:

When you are standing on the beach watching a boat approach over the horizon, you see the sails first, looking like they are sitting on top of the water.  As the boat gets closer, the sails seem to "rise" out of the water and the rest of the boat comes into view, from top to bottom.  Since we know that these boats have not "fallen off the edge of the Earth" and that theoretically the boat should appear all at the same tim on a flat surface, the only logical explanation is that the Earth is a sphere.

How do you flat-Earthers disprove that?

By simply saying that the earth is not pefectly round, it is sort of dome shaped.

Uh but many flat earthers adnvance as key evidence...well bullhorn says it best here (Note how I destroy it.) http://theflatearthsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=966&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Quote from: "bullhorn"

Despite how sarcastic you are and how much flat-earth bashing that you do there is one thing that you cannot say that you have witnessed. The Earth from space. You can claim that all the evidence supports your viewpoint but you cannot say that you have seen the earth in its true form. Pictures can be altered, evidence can be fabricated, but what you cannot control is the ability for someone to use their own common sense and see the judgment. That truth can be summed up by saying that the earth looks flat. And it is

If Enraged PEnguin is admitting that a flat earth could also be a dome and we wouoldn't notice (for the record Mundi has proven why this is so viz the curve is so large its inperceptible.) then bullhorns "common sense" proof for the earth being flat is invalid. If a flat earth could be dome shaped and you wouldn't notice the curve it would follow the earth could be (for the record it IS (irrelevan statement I know) round and we would not notice the curve.

So to sum up
Until its proven logicaly the use of "atomospheric distortion" is not a valid argument
If flat earthers explaimn the phenomenon Maureen described above by saying the earth is impercetibly curved they must abandon the "look outside at the earth does it look round to you?" See those arguments are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE you can use one but not the other as they directly contradict each others premise.
An enraged
Cinlef

I will try to explain "Atmospheric Distortion" so you guys have a better understanding of what we mean.  This phenomenon can also be known as "atmospheric refraction"
Atmospheric Refraction is when a light is changed from its path of a straight line due to air density, as a result this causes the light to affect objects or images, they may wiggle or shimmer when you view them from a distance.  An example is when you are cooking on a barbeque and when you look over the hot barbeque objects appear to wiggle and shimmer.  This phenomenon is very similar to that of “Atmospheric Distortion”.  This principle can be used to explain why ships appear to sink below the horizon and why photographs appear to show a curve when you look at them. This can also account for how your eyes view objects.  

I know a lot of you wont be happy with this explanation and you think I am full of horseshit, but although you may not be happy with this explanation you cannot discount it.

but ice floats...