FE’r thinks watching anime more justified than amateur/pro astronomy

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Below is in response on actually getting out and investing dedicating time and resources to studying comets and Jupiter’s moons.


I also watch anime and play roleplaying games from over 10 years ago.


Does flat earth make you this delusional?  Or being a consumer of anime and games? 

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You're taking what I said out of context, because you think astronomers are automatically geniuses.

Stephen Hawking was loudly praised as a genius, but a theist took his entire argument apart with 30 minutes to spare.

Astronomy is a field, not a credential. You don't get a handwave to all logic because you are an astronomer. Not even if your name is Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

I could get all my inspirations about Iran from 300, and still be more likely to say something clever about it than someone who listened to Middle East experts who were sympathetic with Islam. You know, because bias actually matters.

I didn't say it was more justified. But it is a better use of my time than watching this guy.

"Oh hey, I'm attacking a (fake) Flat Earther! Awesome."


Except when someone fights back, he kinda falls apart.  Even worse, he's delusional enough to believe he won this argument.
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You're taking what I said out of context, because you think astronomers are automatically geniuses.



No.  I go out and can observe some of the things they observe and come to my own conclusions.  Like observing earth’s natural satellite the moon.  Or the moons of Jupiter.  Or try and follow what comet will be forecasted as the most visible every year or two.  Or watch the international space station pass overhead.  The phases of Venus. Observe sunspots.  Watch the sun set or the sun rise. Observe lunar and solar eclipse.  See that stars millions of times dimmer than the sun set and become physically blocked from view at the same point by the horizon formed by earth’s curvature as the much brighter setting sun.


Things millions of astronomers of all ranks have observed and documented for centuries.  And yet Bulma you think you can sit in your parents house making no effort to look and investigate for yourself ignoring or calling known, observed, and documented phenomenon lies where you are truly clueless.  You are the worse and why people hate flat earthers.  It’s not because you question Bulma, it’s because out of ignorance or wilful lying you call people like amateur to career astronomers lairs.  Or career surveyors where the majority know the earth is spherical.  Or pilots where the majority know and actively travel a spherical earth.  Or the majority of navy and people working the ocean that know and travel a spherical earth.  They treat the world as spherical because it works.  And yet, you Bulma sit like a log in your parents house somehow think they are part of some grand lie on the shape of the earth.  People whose careers rest on world travel and physical observation. People responsible for the lives of passengers and equipment and getting them around on a spherical earth. 


Bulma.  How can you not get FE hasn’t been useful and hasn’t been relevant for centuries.  Does FE make you this much of a self righteous jerk where you think you know more than seasoned pilots and navy personnel? Where you butcher aspect after aspect of physics.  Bulma, you are so indoctrinated or wilfully ignorant you can’t even get the physics definition of acceleration right. And totally ignored the math that works behind the concept of acceleration that defines acceleration.  And think you can morally judge seasoned pilots that work navigating a spherical earth. Where you can’t even get the math of acceleration.  It’s not they are infallible, it’s because Bulma you can’t out of ignorance or wilful trolling even get the most basic aspects of proven physics correct.   
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I can just go outside and observe...

No, sorry, we call that rehearsing your prejudices.

Where you have already made up your mind about Flat Earthers, and you talk yourself through that conclusion. That's what Round Earthism is. A presupposition that already decides the Earth is round, and ignores any observation to the contrary.

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Like observing earth’s natural satellite the moon.

Which cannot maintain a fixed and regular orbit to a moving object. If you actually thought about this instead of rehearsing, you would realize that given multiple vectors of motion, the moon's position cannot be the same from night to night. Instead, the sun an moon have predictable patterns since that they most certainly have to be pulled around a fixed central surface.

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Or the moons of Jupiter

A wandering star pulling other wandering stars. The planets are powerful angels who swore disobedience to God's will. As I refuse idols, tuning the planets out is what I have decided to do.

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Or try to predict a comet

More astrological idolatry. Even professional astronomers don't feel like watching a comet night after night.
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When comets are first seen through a telescope, they are faint, "fuzzy" patches of light at the limit of visibility. A few years ago, most comets were discovered by amateur astronomers who looked for comets as a hobby.* To find comets takes enormous patience and many nights of scanning the sky through huge binoculars or wide angle telescopes. To save time, amateur comet hunters also memorize large areas of the sky, so that they can immediately recognize when something new appears. Recently, professional astronomers have discovered many comets. Professionals normally do not spend much time looking for comets, because time on modern research telescopes is typically considered too valuable to spend on projects that are as uncertain as comet seeking.

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Or watch the international space station

You keep pushing the idea of wasting my personal time, when I have little due to subpar health, looking at stupid small objects as they which past.

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Or phases of Venus.

Whatever.

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Observe sunspots

Those are the things that your eye gets by looking too much at the sun.  As for the path of the sun and moon, "rises in the east and sets in the west isn't totally accurate. The sun sets in the northwest.

Lunar eclipses are pretty cool. Solar eclipses are overhyped, and screw up the whole day. Bah humbug. I like the soft cool glow of a bright red moon. Which I can look directly at without burning my retine. The stars are not blocked, they are dimmed out by excess light. Light pollution is major nuisance to stargazing. And it is because of light pollution and our damned hhwy dept that I now only can see about five or seven stars in the sky brightly.

These " astronomers" went in with their assumptions, and told themselves the same bullcrap over and over. And it is so threatening to them that anyone should disagree with them, or heaven forbid, simply not care, that they move heaven and easrth to hunt such people down.

Again, anime seems to be a far better use of my time than accepting heathen myths about a godless cosmology.
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Where you have already made up your mind

I’m not the one that won’t go outside and look at comets vs meteorites.

I quested and observed.  Everything from traveling in the navy to using my telescope.

And here is Bulma, self righteous and ignorant.  Can’t take the time to observe.  And Bulma that can’t even correctly use acceleration thinks they have the moral high ground. 

Bulma. Your world view it based on you’re ignorance and getting the most basic principles of physics wrong while refusing to simply observe things like the earth has a natural satellite called the moon. 

The moon just travels fine night after night.  So, Bulma, your useless babbling based on ignorance is just stupid and pointless. Where the moon physical blocks the sun’s radiation during a solar eclipse.  Where the moon on occasion passes in front of the planets like Mars blocking them from view as they pass behind.  Where a lunar eclipse is the shadow of earth falling on the moon. 

Bulma.  How do you not get FE hasn’t been useful and hasn’t been relevant in centuries.  Where you can’t even get through your ignorance how the moons of Jupiter to comets kills your delusion. 

When I was in Japan, watched the sun rise east from out over the ocean where flat earth requires it to rise out of the north of Japan and travel roughly parallel with Japan. 



https://wiki.tfes.org/Flat_Earth_-_Frequently_Asked_Questions
https://wiki.tfes.org/File:SunAnimation.gif

Yeah.  Flat earth is that easy to debunk with a gif from the flat earth wiki. Where flat earthers can’t even question their own erroneous gif that butchers the sun’s path compared to reality.  Because flat earthers are told to believe. 
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And it is because of light pollution and our damned hhwy dept that I now only can see about five or seven stars in the sky brightly.




Nope. Starts with an H.

Eye roll.

It’s stats with simple things that are your fantasy.

There is no evidence the moon is self illuminating.

All evidence points to the moon illuminated by the sun like everything from trees to mountains.

This is backed by the fact the moon blocks things from view like planets and the sun during the solar eclipse.

Backed by the moon crossing the earth’s shadow during a lunar eclipse breaking the phases of the moon.

Where the distance to the moon can and is calculated by parallax of the moon.  The distance breaking the FE model so flat earthers have to treat it as a taboo subject. 

Where if there was a “dark object” it should block out the milk way as it crosses in front of it where you don’t even have an explanation for the Milky Way that works in that it contradicts your light dies argument.

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But there is lots of light pollution in my area.



Light dies my ass.  More like bounces around everywhere cause a F’n mess.

Anyway. The Milky Way..

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Digging deeper.  You have never proven that things are blocked bottom up with distance by your mythical “compression” where it’s shown with magnification that things are physically blocked from view by earth’s curvature.

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I quested and observed.  Everything from traveling in the navy to using my telescope.

How wonderful for you.

My daily schedule: up at 4am (insomnia), read manga until about 7am, back to bed, get up at 9:30 and water plants and/or mow lawn. Start writing stuff, reading novels, art, other hobbies most of the day. Maybe go for a swim, or head to the library. At 10pm to 2pm I'm awake but not watching stars. I'm gaming, reading a novel/manga, making a game/working on a novel, or just goofing off. Awhile back I explored most of the continental US, and I've gone to China, UK, South Africa. I've been on ferries and climbed mountains but nowadays I just want to fuck off and enjoy my life at home.

I generally can't see many stars anyway because we are surrounded by houses and trees, so it's an utter waste of time to look at them. Here's what I do know. I've been nearsighted most of my life, and now I have astigmatism or macular degeneration or some other issue. If the stars really were incredibly bright and incredibly far away, it should be amazing that a nearsighted person like me could see any of them, as objects look blurry at 200 ft without my glasses, and yet, I can see miles away while standing atop a mountain, and in a dark night, away from the bustle, I can see a decent amount of stars. There is a deep contrast between the actual distance of vision that I can see clearly and the alleged distance of celestial objects.



A good reason not to obsess about the stars. If Yu-Gi-Oh basically makes it a thing, it's about as real as dinosaurs or Egyptian curses.

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(insomnia), read manga until about

Which has nothing to do with investigating reality.  No wonder you can’t get the working definition of acceleration and the math behind it.  And what principles an accelerometer works on.

On the contrary. We don't have an explanation for them because we don't care.

No.  Because the existence of comets, meteorites, stars visible with a telescope but not the unaided eye, moons of Jupiter, solar and lunar eclipses kills your FE delusion from light to why things are blocked (or become clocked by setting) by the horizon created by earth’s curvature. 

A model needs to accurately account for everything.  FE fails on oh so many levels. 

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Your "reality" is literally more of a dream world than anime.

You get woken up by an alarm telling you it's six o'clock.
But sun time varies by season, so that clock is actually accurate to nothing.

Then you get in a car In order to go to a job that isn't real to earn paper money that announces it is valid currency, to earn enough to  eat and sleep so you live to eighty and die, spending most of your time working for a dream of what you will do, and not on what you actually do.  Then you die, and the dream ends.
The car speeds along, a car which is effectively a relativistic box where motion is uniform while outside your window, you watch an eagle fly past and the sun moving in the sky.
These are frames of motion on tracks inside a dome.
Neither the eagle's track in the air, nor the sun's track through the dome are real, nor is the car. You are living in a world of shadows.
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Plato begins by having Socrates ask Glaucon to imagine a cave where people have been imprisoned from childhood. These prisoners are chained so that their legs and necks are fixed, forcing them to gaze at the wall in front of them and not to look around at the cave, each other, or themselves (514a–b).Behind the prisoners is a fire, and between the fire and the prisoners is a raised walkway with a low wall, behind which people walk carrying objects or puppets "of men and other living things" (514b).

The people walk behind the wall so their bodies do not cast shadows for the prisoners to see, but the objects they carry do ("just as puppet showmen have screens in front of them at which they work their puppets") (514a). The prisoners cannot see any of what is happening behind them; they are only able to see the shadows cast upon the cave wall in front of them. The sounds of the people talking echo off the walls; the prisoners believe these sounds come from the shadows (514c).

Socrates suggests that the shadows are reality for the prisoners because they have never seen anything else; they do not realize that what they see are shadows of objects in front of a fire, much less that these objects are inspired by real things outside the cave which they do not see (514b–515a).

Socrates then supposes that the prisoners are forcefully released.  A freed prisoner would look around and see the fire. The light would hurt his eyes and make it difficult for him to see the objects casting the shadows. If he were told that what he is seeing is real instead of the other version of reality he sees on the wall, he would not believe it. In his pain, Socrates continues, the freed prisoner would turn away and run back to what he is accustomed to (that is, the shadows of the carried objects). The light "... would hurt his eyes, and he would escape by turning away to the things which he was able to look at, and these he would believe to be clearer than what was being shown to him".

Socrates continues: "Suppose... that someone should drag him... by force, up the rough ascent, the steep way up, and never stop until he could drag him out into the light of the sun". The prisoner would be angry and in pain, and this would only worsen when the radiant light of the sun overwhelms his eyes and blinds him.

"Slowly, his eyes adjust to the light of the sun. First he can see only shadows. Gradually he can see the reflections of people and things in water and then later see the people and things themselves. Eventually, he is able to look at the stars and moon at night until finally he can look upon the sun itself (516a)". Only after he can look straight at the sun "is he able to reason about it" and what it is (516b).(See also Plato's analogy of the Sun, which occurs near the end of The Republic, Book VI.)

Socrates continues, saying that the free prisoner would think that the world outside the cave was superior to the world he experienced in the cave and attempt to share this with the prisoners remaining in the cave attempting to bring them onto the journey he had just endured; "he would bless himself for the change, and pity [the other prisoners]" and would want to bring his fellow cave dwellers out of the cave and into the sunlight (516c).

The returning prisoner, whose eyes have become accustomed to the sunlight, would be blind when he re-entered the cave, just as he was when he was first exposed to the sun (516e).The prisoners who remained, according to the dialogue, would infer from the returning man's blindness that the journey out of the cave had harmed him and that they should not undertake a similar journey. Socrates concludes that the prisoners, if they were able, would therefore reach out and kill anyone who attempted to drag them out of the cave (517a).

"They might even try to kill someone who takes them from the cave."

Open your mind!
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Your "reality" is literally more of a dream world than anime.



Your defense of the physical world and the reality of the solar system is fantasy where getting lost at sea in the real world and dying has been the reality of many a sailor meeting a tragic end.  I was in the navy where knowing the location of the vessel was paramount to its survival, the safety of the crew, and carrying out its mission.  And you want to compare watching anime in your parents basement.  lol.  Most ignorant and self absorbed FE argument ever.
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There is a certain pattern as to the kind of people in the arguments here (wise, BB, & Dispo especially), and before I go on, I would like to state that I do not think that being a failure or success (whatever that means), is correlated to reproductive attainment or economic accomplishment.

But happiness is linked to self-worth, and there are biological imperatives and societal pressures that if you lack one or both of the above, can and does lead to an erosion in some people’s self-esteem.
That family can exacerbate this process by overcompensation and cosseting is apparent and leads to the paradox wherein an individual has overconfidence in their abilities with an underlying feeling of failure, a narcissistic paranoia that isolates them.

Furthermore, the interweb for those looking for validation, is a minefield as the growing incel subculture attests.
We are social beings, and those of a certain persuasion, lacking the lessons, determination or capability to forge their own path will look for the comfort of a leader figure or cult to give themselves a sense of belonging (Dubay, Tucker, the Tate’s, personal deities, ad-nauseam).

Unfortunately, if this seclusion from human contact drifts into latter life, solitude and bad feedback leads to deeper mania, resentment and rejection of a culture they feel has marginalised and targeted them specifically.

We, the sane, should swallow our frustrations, incredulity of their thought processes, head shaking at their conclusions and act more as confessors of old.


We won’t though, as they are all mad fuckwits.   

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You get woken up by an alarm telling you it's six o'clock.
But sun time varies by season, so that clock is actually accurate to nothing.
So now Bulma doesn’t even know how solar time works. ::)

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