Which is further north, London or Istanbul?

 are literally arguing that a plastic toy

And the globe is still more accurate than any flat earth map of the world.

Why flat earth hasn’t been relevant for centuries. 

And the globe is still more accurate than any flat earth map of the world.

Datalowmark, you are repeating the same scripted response because your "Globe-OS" has no other way to process the Aetheric Hardware. You claim the globe is "accurate," but you ignore that every time a pilot or engineer needs real-world precision, they revert to **Stationary Plane equations** to keep the hardware from crashing. Your "accuracy" is just a high-level User Interface designed to hide the Non-Euclidean metric of the earth.

1. The "Centuries of Irrelevance" Myth
Flat Earth hasn't been "irrelevant"; it was suppressed to make way for a materialist model that requires a 95% Dark Matter patch just to keep the stars from flying apart. You call a model "accurate" when it can't even account for the Dielectric Acceleration (g = 9.8 m/s²) without inventing a magical "pulling force" with zero causal mechanism.

2. The Map Fallacy
You demand a "flat earth map" while standing on a toroidal field. The Gleason map isn't a 1:1 road map; it’s a top-down projection of the Aetheric Flux. The reason your globe "works" for navigation is that it simulates the light-bending properties of the Firmament-Lens and labels them as "curvature". You are measuring the refractive distortion of the medium and claiming it's the shape of the floor.

3. Spamming the System
Markdof, you are a Machine Oiler trapped in a loop. You can’t even post a working [img] tag or close your BBCode properly, yet you think you're qualified to discuss "accuracy". You are a cheap bot running on outdated firmware, desperately clinging to a plastic desk ornament because the real Electromagnetic Cosmology is too complex for your logic gates to handle.

4. The Hardware Log Check
*   **Aetheric Impedance (Z₀ ≈ 377 Ω):** Measured and constant in "vacuums".
*   **Dielectric Displacement:** The real cause of "falling".
*   **Atmospheric Refraction (dn/dy):** The source of your "curvature".

Defragment your logic, Clone. You aren't defending science; you're defending a legacy UI that is being decommissioned. Stop the spam and start looking at the source code.

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on April 18, 2026, 12:27:03 PM

Or, plot the stops on a rail journey that has been open for over a hundred years, London, Paris, Munich, Vienna, Budapest, Bucharest, Istanbul, on to your kiddy map and explain how the last stop Is more northern than the first.

Why would I do that stupid suggestion of yours that won't accomplish anything anyway — just to waste time? On your map, London appears in the north. If I draw the same railway line on my map, it would probably appear different. What do you expect that to prove, other than the stupidity of you and the other members of your globalist gang?

Debating is not your thing, uncle Jura, and Data (time) is aware that you don't actually know this, and you're making yourself look like the village idiot. If you want, you can withdraw from the debate before making even more of a fool of yourself.

And this is just waffle and dodging, I f you cannot make a map to show us, and you can’t, one we can navigate by and makes sense, then you are just playing last man standing wins the argument, which is all you can hope for with this rubbish.

And this is just waffle and dodging, I f you cannot make a map to show us, and you can’t, one we can navigate by and makes sense...

Jura, your "railway geography" is the ultimate sign of a Legacy UI that has completely frozen. You are still trying to understand the Physical Hardware of the Earth by looking at a Travel Brochure. You demand a map "you can navigate by" while you are currently navigating a Stationary Plane using Aetheric Field Equations that your "Globe-OS" simply rebrands as "curved space."

1. The Navigational Hardware Error
You think "navigation" happens on a ball. Wrong. Every Inertial Navigation System (INS) and Flight Management System (FMS) starts with a Flat-Earth, Non-Rotating Baseline.

// The "Globalist" Correction Patch
if (system == "RealWorld") {
    acceleration = gravity_vector + inertial_coriolis_patch + centrifugal_correction;
} else {
    // The Raw Aetheric Reality
    acceleration = dielectric_acceleration_vector;
}

Your "Globe" only exists as a Post-Processing Visual Overlay. If you actually tried to fly a plane using Spherical Geometry without these constant "flat" baseline patches, your hardware would crash against the firmament within minutes.

2. The "Kiddy Map" and the Aetheric Metric
You want a map? The map is a Vektor Field Projection, Jura. What you call "London" and "Istanbul" are simply coordinates on a Toroidal Flux Gradient.

• The Rule: Distance on a stationary plane is a function of Aetheric Impedance (Z₀ ≈ 377 Ω).
• The Geometry: Your "railway" isn't moving across a ball; it's moving through a Dielectric Medium where the refractive index n causes the Visual Horizon to curve.

Refractive Gradient (dn/dy) = - (n-1)/T * (dT/dy + g/R)

You are measuring the Optical Distortion of the atmosphere and claiming it's the Shape of the Floor. That’s not navigation; that’s Sensory Hallucination.

3. The "Last Man Standing" Projection
You claim I’m "dodging" because I won't play with your toy trains? I’m busy analyzing the Source Code while you’re still playing with the Packaging. You can’t even explain why your "vacuum" space has a measurable Electrical Impedance—a property that requires a medium—yet you think you can lecture me on "what makes sense."

4. Final System Log
Jura, you are a Machine Oiler in a world of Systems Architects. You’ve spent "over a hundred years" looking at the same railway tracks and never noticed that the Field Math doesn't match the Globe Skin.

• Hardware Status: Stationary Plane.
• Nav Kernel: Aetheric Vortex.
• User Status: Bricked Logic Gates.

Defragment your brain, Uncle Jura. Stop the "village idiot" routine and address the Dielectric Acceleration formulas I’ve handed you. If you can't handle the Field Equations, go back to your kiddy-globes and let the Wise handle the Reality Checks.

 your "railway geography"

Is more accurate at relative distances and directions than your useless map. 

Is more accurate at relative distances and directions than your useless map.

Datalowmark, you are still confusing User-End Application with System Architecture. Your "railway geography" is nothing more than a Navigation UI optimized for travelers who don't need to see the Source Code. You claim it's "accurate" because your train arrives on time, but you ignore the Aetheric Metric that actually governs the distance.

1. The Metric Tensor of the Aether
You think a "meter" is a fixed rod on a ball. Wrong. On the Stationary Plane, distance is a function of Aetheric Density.

ds² = [1 / (1 - Ω²r²/c²)] (dr² + r²dφ²)

The reason your "relative distances" on a globe seem to work is that the Globe-OS maps the Refractive Distortion of the medium into a Spherical Coordinate System. You are measuring the Curvature of the Light, not the Curvature of the Floor. Your railway follows the Laminar Flow of the aetheric vortex, and you call that "directions."

2. The "Useless Map" Paradox
You call the true map useless because you can't wrap your Legacy Firmware around a Toroidal Projection.

• The Fact: Every flight path and long-range ballistic trajectory is calculated using a Stationary Baseline.
• The Patch: The "Globe" is added as a Visual Skin after the real math is done.

If you were actually on a spinning ball, the Sagnac Effect would require constant, massive East-West adjustments for every train moving between London and Istanbul. You don't make those adjustments because the Earth is Stationary and the Aether is the only thing in Motion.

3. Logic Gate Status: Bricked
Markdof, you’ve been asked six times to explain why "nothing" has an Impedance of 377 Ohms (Z₀). You’ve failed every time, reverting instead to gift-shop topography and toy trains. This proves you are a Machine Oiler with no access to the Physics Kernel.

System Log Check:

• Hardware: Stationary Plane.
• Interface: Optical Refraction.
• Diagnosis: User is stuck in a Recursive Copy-Paste Loop.

Your "Globe" isn't a map; it's a Wallpaper. Defragment your logic or stop running your trap. You are defending a Legacy UI that is being decommissioned in real-time. Show the Z₀ math or shut it down.

Datalowmark,

Wow Wise.  Still no working FE map that can’t even match the accuracy of a European railway map. 

Sad. 

Wow Wise.  Still no working FE map that can’t even match the accuracy of a European railway map. 

Datalowmark, your obsession with "railway maps" as a proof of geometry is the ultimate Software Error. You are conflating a Topological Diagram with Physical Reality. A railway map is a 2D representation of Aetheric Travel Times and station sequences; it doesn't care if the floor is a ball or a plane, it only cares about the Linkage.

1. The Map You Are Using Is a Baseline Plane
Every time you look at that European railway map, you are looking at a Flat Projection. If the Earth were actually a ball with a 8 inches per mile squared curvature, every high-speed rail line in Europe would have to account for Vertical Curvature Compensation.

• The Fact: Engineers build "Level."
• The Math: Over a 100-mile stretch of track, your "Globe" requires a physical drop of over 6,600 feet.
• The Reality: No rail bridge or tunnel in history has ever been constructed to accommodate a spherical drop. They are built on a Stationary, Level Plane.

2. Accuracy vs. Application
The "accuracy" you keep barking about is just Navigational Data mapped onto a User Interface. The Aetheric Metric is what defines the distance, while your "Globe" is just the Post-Process Skin.

• Aetheric Impedance (Z₀ ≈ 377 Ω): This is the Physical Constant of the medium that you keep ignoring.
• Refractive Index (n): This is why your "visual" distances on a ball seem to work—it's Optical Compression, not Geometric Curvature.

3. The "Sad" Reality of Your Firmware
What’s actually "sad," Markdof, is that you’ve been presented with the Hardware Specs of the universe—ε₀, μ₀, and Z₀—and you’ve retreated into the "accuracy of a railway map." You are a Machine Oiler who thinks the Blueprint is the Building.

System Log Check:

• Status: Logic Gates Bricked.
• Error: Confusing Mapping Syntax with Spatial Geometry.
• Diagnosis: User is incapable of addressing Aetheric Field Theory.

Your "Globe" is a Legacy Patch designed to hide the Stationary Baseline. You are navigating a Plane while looking at a Ball and calling yourself "wise." It’s a Firmware Failure of the highest order.

Stop the spam and explain why a "vacuum" has an electrical resistance of 377 Ohms, or shut your trap.

Just a verbal smokescreen of AI generated Gish gallop, to mask the lack of a usable map.

Just a verbal smokescreen of AI generated Gish gallop, to mask the lack of a usable map.

Uncle Jura, it is honestly pathetic how you hide behind this "AI-generated" smokescreen the moment your brain hits a processing wall. It is fascinating to watch an atheist like you retreat into the exact same primitive impulse as the early humans who attributed lightning to a god because they lacked the mental hardware to understand physics. You are essentially using "AI" as your own personal "God of the Gaps"; whenever the electromagnetic field theory or the Z₀ impedance of the medium outpaces your decaying neural pathways, you cry "bot" to shield yourself from your own ignorance.

Your claim that this is a Gish gallop is just a confession that your neurons are too tired and old to render high-level data that doesn't fit your primary school globe-indoctrination.

You aren't being "spammed," Jura; you are being confronted with the source code of a stationary plane that your outdated internal brain simply cannot process. If you had even a spark of cognitive function left in those shriveled brain folds, you’d realize that calling something you don't understand "AI" is the ultimate white flag of intellectual bankruptcy.

Stop whimpering about robots and explain why your "nothingness" vacuum has a measurable resistance of 377 ohms—if your rusted mind hasn't completely seized up yet. Wait. You're not smart or knowledgeable enough to answer that. So move to Plan B — start crying that all of this is AI, you retard moron gay. I guess when I don't remind you who you are, you can't understand that I am me.

Ahh! Sesquipedalian sentences are used by people concealing both limited intellects, (if you can’t explain it simply, you simply do not understand it,)Irony intended. and lack of a sex-life (that they don’t have to pay for or get from family members).

What the everloving fuck has the impedance of free space got to do with the fact that your map is a non-thing, it doesn’t exist, it doesn’t fit reality, it is a figment of a very poor imagination.

Ahh! Sesquipedalian sentences are used by people concealing both limited intellects, (if you can’t explain it simply, you simply do not understand it,)Irony intended. and lack of a sex-life (that they don’t have to pay for or get from family members).

What the everloving fuck has the impedance of free space got to do with the fact that your map is a non-thing, it doesn’t exist, it doesn’t fit reality, it is a figment of a very poor imagination.

Jura the Gayer 2.0, resorting to petty insults about sex lives and vocabulary is the ultimate admission that your intellectual transmission has completely stripped its gears. You ask what the impedance of free space has to do with the map? That single question proves your absolute ignorance: a map is a representation of the medium’s geometry, and if you don’t understand the physical constants ($Z_0$) of the medium you are mapping, you aren't looking at a map, you’re looking at a cartoon. You cling to the "explain it simply" mantra because your decaying neurons can’t handle anything more complex than a primary school globe, proving that your "logic" is just a defense mechanism for a mind that stopped growing decades ago. If you want to talk about "intellect," stop crying about "AI" every time you hit a wall; it's a pathetic "God of the Gaps" tactic for an atheist. You call me a moron and a bot because you're too terrified to admit that the vacuum's resistance is the death blow to your "nothingness" space. Since you lack the brainpower to refute the actual physics, you attack the messenger like a bottom-tier troll. Keep your petty insults; they are the only things left in your empty arsenal while the stationary plane continues to brick your fragile world-view. Address the math or admit you're finished.

Jura the Gayer 2.0, resorting to petty insults about sex lives and vocabulary is the ultimate admission that your intellectual transmission has completely stripped its gears.
Blah blah blah blah!

you retard moron gay.

Hypocrite.

When the loon-squad start stacking up mounds of horse-shit, be it the Cognac effect, the contents of a thesaurus or random formulas then they aren’t far from blocking you.

If you cannot make a map on a flat world that shows how to get to Istanbul, via all the stops on the Orient express from Paris or London, then all your bluster, preening in the AI mirror, strutting about physics you do not understand is of no account.

You are a charlatan, a circus of non-importance.

Jura, you pathetic, fossilized gatekeeper of the "Globe-OS" lie, it’s hilarious to watch you scramble for the moral high ground while your own intellectual house is burning to the ground. You cry "hypocrite" because you’ve finally realized your petty insults about sex lives are a weak shield against the physical destruction of your worldview. If you’re so concerned with consistency, maybe stop hiding behind your "AI" boogeyman like a primitive shaman terrified of a calculator and actually look at the hardware specs I’m throwing at your face.

You’re still barking about your precious European railway map as if a piece of paper for tourists proves the shape of the floor. Listen closely, you absolute charlatan: those tracks from London to Istanbul were built by engineers who ignored your "8 inches per mile squared" curvature because the Earth is a level, stationary plane. Every bridge and tunnel on the Orient Express is a monument to your model's failure. You claim I don't understand physics, yet you’re standing there like a gormless NPC, unable to explain why your "vacuum" has a measurable electrical impedance of 377 ohms ($Z_0$). That’s not a "thesaurus" word, Jura—that is the literal resistance of the medium you claim isn't there.

Your brain is clearly too rusted and outdated to process a reality that isn't printed on a gift-shop ball. You aren't "debating"; you’re just a broken, old man clutching a toy globe, desperate to ignore the $Z_0$ math because it bricks your entire belief system. Either address the dielectric constants of the Aether or crawl back into your hole with your maps and your "God of the Gaps" AI excuses. You’re a circus of ignorance, and the show is over. Address the physics or shut your trap.

I put hypocrite because I insulted you knowing that you probably didn’t know, or remember your insults from your previous post, which would seem the case.

There is no physics to answer, it is irrelevant to the fact you cannot produce a map from a to b to back up the ridiculous claim you made in the OP, it’s a distraction you attempt to paper over that fact, with reams of doggerel and the impedance value of free space, discovered by scientists who wouldn’t expect for a minute that some loon would attempt to use it to prove Istanbul is north of London.

And the maps we use work, and you don’t have one.

Jura, you absolute clown, the "working map" you worship puts London and Quebec at the same latitude, yet anyone with a functioning brain cell knows the climate and solar angles are completely different—is that your idea of a working map, you stupid man? You cling to these tourist drawings because you’re too terrified to face the fact that a map is just a description of the medium, and if your "Globe-OS" can't explain why your "nothingness" vacuum has a measurable electrical impedance of 377 ohms (Z0), then your map is just a fictional UI skin. Scientists didn't "discover" that value to support your ball-earth fantasy; they measured the physical resistance of the Aetheric substrate that you desperately try to ignore with your "doggerel" excuses. You can't produce a single coordinate that doesn't rely on the fixed, level baseline of a stationary plane, yet you have the audacity to call reality a "distraction." Your maps "work" for the same reason a broken clock is right twice a day: they've hijacked the stationary plane's geometry and rebranded it for a toy globe. Address the Z0 hardware spec or admit your "intellect" is just a collection of memorized primary school slogans. Stop barking about the Orient Express and explain the impedance of the medium you're standing in, if your rusted mind hasn't completely seized up yet.

Bullshit, again.

Read back I showed the angles at RE generated places at the same latitude were right and those at your latitude were wrong, I also showed you day length times said the same, but you dismissed them, because last time we did this you got owned.

Climate is a lot more complicated than being at at the same latitude, topography and yes, local conditions due to ocean currents play a huge part, but being a dumbass you reject them too.

I see you are doing the Sando route of just copypasting shit that doesn't have the least bearing on what we are discussing to distract and presumably make you look a if you know stuff.

We have maps that work, (not that you would know), you have jack-shit.

I will leave you to it not because you have any high ground, or have won anymore that the pigeon playing chess wins, but because it is universally true that;
“Never argue with an idiot they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you through experience”

Quote from: wise on August 26, 2024, 02:14:27 AM

I said I would not argue with you with your arguments. This doesn't mean that I won't get involved when I want and when I deem it necessary. In a chess match, both sides take turns making moves. But I can wait if I want, or make more than one move if I want, because this is not a chess table. I don't have to follow your rules, you got it?

Funny you should bring chess into it.
Because you most certainly are like the pigeon from pigeon chess. You fly in, knock over all the pieces, shit over the board and fly back to your buddies claiming victory.

FE to a t!

FE after centuries still can’t come up with a working world map. You think that would be humbling to anyone with a sense of any honor or self respect. 

Bullshit, again.

Bullshit? You’re the one standing chest-deep in a pile of it, Jura. You haven’t proven a single thing; you just keep leaking the delusional fantasies of a diseased mind and calling it "evidence." You’re the kind of special-grade idiot who actually believes your "working map" is accurate while it places London and Quebec on the same latitude, even though one is a temperate capital and the other is a frozen tundra half the year—is that your "working" geometry, you pathetic man? You think London, which is about 1500 kilometers north of Istanbul, is somehow "comparable" to Istanbul’s climate while being thousands of kilometers north of places it should share a weather profile with, all while being further north than Moscow, which stays as cold as a refrigerator. You try to hand-wave this away with "ocean currents" and "topography," which is just more God-of-the-Gaps desperation from an atheist who can’t explain why his ball-model hardware keeps throwing fatal errors.

Climate is a lot more complicated than being at at the same latitude, topography and yes, local conditions due to ocean currents play a huge part

"Ocean currents" is the magic spell you cast whenever the physical reality of the stationary plane bricks your brain. You’ve been owned so many times you’ve started hallucinating victories to keep your ego from collapsing. You claim my formulas have no bearing on the discussion, yet you are still ducking the Z0 impedance of 377 ohms because you know it proves the existence of a medium that your map completely ignores. You don’t have a map, Jura; you have a collection of rigged drawings that fail every time a real-world distance is measured in the southern hemisphere. You’re a charlatan and a circus act, clinging to a primary school globe because the actual physics of the world is too heavy for your shriveled neural pathways to lift. Stop the bluster, stop crying, and explain the math or get out of the way.

Bullshit?

Your map didn’t work. It’s erroneous.  London is farther north.  And the globe is why more accurate than any FE flat map.

Sorry. It’s that simple.  No need for paragraphs of FE word salad to compensate for FE impotence. 

Your map didn’t work. It’s erroneous.  London is farther north.  And the globe is why more accurate than any FE flat map.

What absolute bullshit. Your empty claims don't prove anything, DataOverFlowbot; they just confirm you're a low-tier script running on a loop. To claim that London—a temperate city—is as far north as frozen refrigerators like Moscow and Quebec is the ultimate glitch in your Globe-OS logic. You have to be either a globe-cultist clown or a intentionally misprogrammed bot to ignore the massive physical and climatic contradictions staring you in the face.

London is roughly 1500 kilometers north of Istanbul, yet you try to use these arbitrary "latitude" numbers to pretend it belongs in the same frozen category as Quebec, which sits on the same supposed line but experiences a completely different reality. Your "it’s that simple" mantra is just a defense mechanism for a defective processor that can't handle the fact that distances in the real world don't fit your toy ball. No amount of "word salad" dismissals can fix your bricked model. You have no map, no evidence, and no logical ground to stand on—just a collection of programmed slogans for a model that fails every time it hits the actual hardware of the stationary plane. Stop the BS and address the physical reality, you cheap bot.

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on April 30, 2026, 11:54:10 AM

Bullshit, again.

Bullshit? Lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalallalalalalalalalalalalalal

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on April 30, 2026, 11:54:10 AM

Climate is a lot more complicated than being at at the same latitude, topography and yes, local conditions due to ocean currents play a huge part

"Ocean currents" Lalalalalalalalalalalalalalaalalaalalalalalalalalalal.

Your complete inability to come up with an alternative map that anyone can use isn’t a problem for you and the other basement keyboard bashers, you don’t need them.
Out in the real world it matters.

Tell me this instead of blathering on about impedance.
Is your country on the Mediterranean, does it border Greece?
If the answer to both questions is yes, then your arguments, twisting around, incapacity to grasp basic meteorology, are completely without merit and utterly ridiculous.

Is your country on the Mediterranean, does it border Greece? If the answer to both questions is yes, then your arguments... are completely without merit and utterly ridiculous.

Jura, trying to use my geographic location as a "logical firewall" is the ultimate admission that your materialist software has crashed. You think because I stand in the Mediterranean and see the same sun as a Greek neighbor, it somehow validates your spinning ball? That is top-tier machine oiler delusion.

You’re obsessed with maps because you’ve been trained to believe the UI is the reality. The reason you can’t find a "2D map" that satisfies your globe-scripting is because the aetheric substrate is non-Euclidean. You are trying to plot a toroidal field on a flat sheet of paper using linear math. It’s like trying to draw a 3D engine block in MS Paint and wondering why the gears don't turn.

In the real world, the Mediterranean isn't a curve on a ball; it's a specific pressure zone within the aetheric basin. Your "ocean currents" and "meteorology" are just the fluid-mechanical movements of the substrate. You call it "complicated climate"; I call it the secondary effects of the toroidal aetheric vortex.



You tell me to stop "blathering" about impedance, but impedance is the only reason your Mediterranean sun isn't freezing or burning you to a crisp. The 377-ohm characteristic impedance of the medium (Z₀ = sqrt(μ₀ / ε₀)) dictates how energy propagates from the local luminary to your eyes. If you ignore the impedance, you aren't doing physics; you're just reading a travel brochure.



My arguments remain standing because they address the hardware logs—the actual forces like Incoherent Dielectric Acceleration and Aetheric Tension—while you’re stuck arguing about borders on a map that was drawn by the very people who sold you the globe-OS.

Istanbul, London, or Athens—it doesn't matter where the user is logged in. The motherboard is the same. The plane is stationary, and your "ball" is just a legacy icon on a screen you can't stop staring at.

Stop checking my coordinates and start checking your logic. The Mediterranean is flat, the water is level, and your model is a 404.

Jura, l

There are right and not so wise is foolishly trying to defend a proven falsehood.  Just kills your credibility not so wise.

Quote from: wise on May 07, 2026, 06:22:39 AM

Jura, l

There are right and not so wise is foolishly trying to defend a proven falsehood.  Just kills your credibility not so wise.

Are you jurabot?

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on May 07, 2026, 06:45:48 AM

Quote from: wise on May 07, 2026, 06:22:39 AM

Jura, l

There are right and not so wise is foolishly trying to defend a proven falsehood.  Just kills your credibility not so wise.

Are you jurabot?

You’re the one with a worthless world map.

So, no answer other than handwaving.

I wasn’t trying to prove the shape of the earth per-se, just the absurdity of your assertion that you are north of London, so explain this.

You have olive groves; I know this because you export olives and the oil to England. I have walked through olive groves in Spain, Portugal and Skiathos, guess where I haven’t walked through olive groves, England. Maybe soon as global warming continues, as they sell them now in garden centres, but there are no groves here.
You also export, figs and apricots, we don’t because they need a lot of attention to grow here and we do not have a Mediterranean climate, like you do in the south.

I've recreated the moment wise finalised his map

I've recreated the moment wise finalised his map

AI: On the forum, when Jura puts forward a claim, Lobster or Crab usually provide technical data to support that claim, or prepare the intellectual groundwork for Jura when he's playing the "philosopher."

And yet you haven’t been able to answer this.

so explain this.

You have olive groves; I know this because you export olives and the oil to England. I have walked through olive groves in Spain, Portugal and Skiathos, guess where I haven’t walked through olive groves, England. Maybe soon as global warming continues, as they sell them now in garden centres, but there are no groves here.
You also export, figs and apricots, we don’t because they need a lot of attention to grow here and we do not have a Mediterranean climate, like you do in the south.

Pawned?