My journey of deconstruction.

Quote from: disputeone on April 10, 2026, 07:16:42 AM

I dont think you were lying then.
I think you're lying now.

Believe what you want.

I believed you.

Quote from: disputeone on April 10, 2026, 03:20:13 AM

Do you know Barbara and Jim Matza?

Yes and they're doing very well

I hope they are.

Besides you're all bluff and bluster, you're not a blue belt, you're not even a real person, you're one of Croutons characters.

If you wont tell me your gym then I cant come and roll with you, obviously.

You’re either lying or mentally stuck on “low IQ”

You claim you grew up in a conservative Messianic Jewish home, loved Kent Hovind, believed in conspiracies, etc. But honestly? I don’t buy a word of it. Either you have a serious intellectual disability, or you’re just playing a role — pretending to be a gun-loving, conspiracy-minded conservative just to troll flat Earthers. Your obsession with “debating skills” and “evidence” sounds like a globalist LARP. The fact that you’re still clinging to a spinning ball while quoting Scripture? That’s not faith. That’s cognitive dissonance with a gun fetish.

For what it's worth, I'm now an atheist. And most Christians know that the earth is round.

Let me make this crystal clear for you, since you clearly missed it in all your years of homeschooling and Hovind-watching:

Matthew 4:8 (KJV)

Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them

Which mountain was it?

Luke 4:5 (KJV)

And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

Now think, genius — if the earth were a globe, how could you see “all the kingdoms of the world” from any mountain, no matter how high? Curvature would hide them. Basic geometry. Even from Everest, you see maybe 200 miles. But the Bible says all kingdoms. That only works on a flat earth.

You can't see all the Earth's kingdoms from Mt. Everest on a flat plane either.

So which is it?

Is God lying?

Yes, but most importantly, he doesn't exist.

Or are you just too brainwashed by NASA cartoons to read plain text?

You can’t be a sincere believer and a globe believer at the same time. One cancels the other. Your “conservative Christian” act is a joke if you bow down to the ball. You’re either a fake Christian or a fake glober — and from your long, self-congratulatory post, I’m leaning toward fake everything.

Your gun hobby doesn’t impress me. You’re just another globie pretending to be one of us so you can feel smart. But you’re not smart. You’re the exact reason why “faith + globe” is an oxymoron.

Conclusion: Repent from the spinning ball heresy or stop pretending you believe the Bible. There’s no middle ground. And maybe spend less time on forums and more time actually reading what Jesus said — instead of cherry-picking verses to fit your globalist comfort zone.

I'm not reading all that, but congratulations, or I'm sorry for your loss.

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on April 10, 2026, 07:22:03 AM

Quote from: disputeone on April 10, 2026, 07:16:42 AM

I dont think you were lying then.
I think you're lying now.

Believe what you want.

I believed you.

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on April 10, 2026, 03:49:16 AM

Quote from: disputeone on April 10, 2026, 03:20:13 AM

Do you know Barbara and Jim Matza?

Yes and they're doing very well

I hope they are.

Besides you're all bluff and bluster, you're not a blue belt, you're not even a real person, you're one of Croutons characters.

If you wont tell me your gym then I cant come and roll with you, obviously.

I'm not really concerned what you believe about me. You can look through my profile if you want, but I'm in no hurry to prove my validity to a stranger on the Internet.

But you keep saying things then taking them back. First you said you knew Jim and Barbara Matza, now youre saying you dont.

Then you said if I flew over we could roll, now you're saying its not safe for you to post your gym on the internet.

Does it not have a website?
Perhaps it's on the Creech Air Force Base?

You're all bluff and bluster, Crouton.

If you were living with your parents, and they didn't want you to have guns in their house, you should have respected their wishes.

I did, which is why I didn't buy my first firearm until I had my first law enforcement job. Plus I could always push for change. There's nothing wrong with that.

Also, it seems like you are very prone to adopting ideologies based on youtube videos.

Maybe, maybe not, but always try to challenge my beliefs. BTW, where do you get all of your information?

I know it will upset Wise but I will attempt to explain.

You have committed a cardinal sin, D1 is born again and has “trouble” with men not being “men”, foolishly you made a mistake by not reading his post properly and seemed to admit to knowing these people.

I had a cross Staffordshire bull terrier a long while back called The Mighty Quinn, (Quinn for short), a truly brilliant dog but a royal pain as it constantly wanted to play tugs, we had open plank style stairs in that house so you could loop a rope around and hang something, the dog would leap up and hang there wagging and growling for hours.
D1 one has a similar mindset, he will hang from this perceived mistake long after normal dogs would think it’s time to scratch his ear and have a nap, also you are apostate, so doubly damned.

I agree,  In fact it would be more unusual if Luke and Crouton weren't both raised by messianic Jews and didnt both attend a tiny Church ran by Barbara and Jim Matza.

I gave the AI to perform a clone analysis on the most obvious close names along with Luke, based on d1's detection. Their findings were very long, so I've summarized them below:

Bom Tishop: 19% – similarity in worldview
Tom Bishop (again): 17% – same reason
Erland: 14% – argument style and tone
Crouton: 12% – general character similarity
Me (Wise): 10% – location proximity

Even though I manipulated the AI by pointing out that it's impossible for it to be me—because if I were him, I would have told it so myself, and also our views are very different—the AI still insisted, in its final assessment, that there is a 10% chance he could be my clone, considering the possibility that he might be a strawman operated by me. I found that funny, yes.

I also asked it why the probability of him being Jura or Jimmy appears to be zero. It answered me that Luke has a certain level of intelligence, but since those two display oxymoronic traits, it's impossible for them to be Luke.

But you keep saying things then taking them back. First you said you knew Jim and Barbara Matza, now youre saying you dont

As I said, I read your post too fast. I thought you were referring to something else entirely. My apologies.

Then you said if I flew over we could roll, now you're saying its not safe for you to post your gym on the internet.

I did said that I was from Florida and even gave you a region to go off of, did I not?

Does it not have a website?
Perhaps it's on the Creech Air Force Base?

You're all bluff and bluster, Crouton.

As I said, my gym is in Florida, several hundred miles from Nevada, a state I that I never even been to. I literally had to look up the base you're talking about. But I don't share my exact location on a public forum for obvious reasons. The fact that I narrowed it down to a region is already setting off internal alarm bells in my head.

Are you worried ill come and hurt you at your MMA gym which is presumably filled with BJJ blackbelts and professional fighters?

you made a mistake by not reading his post properly

In fairness this post was so nuanced and complex it could be interpreted in dozens of different ways.

Do you know Barbara and Jim Matza?

I know it will upset Wise but I will attempt to explain.

You have committed a cardinal sin, D1 is born again and has “trouble” with men not being “men”, foolishly you made a mistake by not reading his post properly and seemed to admit to knowing these people.

I had a cross Staffordshire bull terrier a long while back called The Mighty Quinn, (Quinn for short), a truly brilliant dog but a royal pain as it constantly wanted to play tugs, we had open plank style stairs in that house so you could loop a rope around and hang something, the dog would leap up and hang there wagging and growling for hours.
D1 one has a similar mindset, he will hang from this perceived mistake long after normal dogs would think it’s time to scratch his ear and have a nap, also you are apostate, so doubly damned.

Ok, thank you, because I was beginning to think that maybe I'm just a bad communicator.

Like I said this post was so nuanced and complex it could be interpreted in dozens of different ways.

Do you know Barbara and Jim Matza?

No one could possibly claim that this is an easy to interpret post, there's dozens of different and equally valid interpretations as to what it's actually asking. Jura is very clever.

Are you worried ill come and hurt you at your MMA gym which is presumably filled with BJJ blackbelts and professional fighters?

Nah, I get submitted by upper belts all the time. However that isn't an excuse for me to blast my home address for everyone to see.

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on April 10, 2026, 07:42:38 AM

you made a mistake by not reading his post properly

In fairness this post was so nuanced and complex it could be interpreted in dozens of different ways.

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Quote from: disputeone on April 10, 2026, 03:20:13 AM

Do you know Barbara and Jim Matza?

No, I don't.

However that isn't an excuse for me to blast my home address for everyone to

Do you live at your gym?
Im impressed.
That's dedication.

Anyway, not only was my question so hard to interpret.

Do you know Barbara and Jim Matza?

But your answer is equally indecipherable.

Yes and they're doing very well

No serious person can honestly say that this is an easy to understand exchange. No one can really know what was being asked or what was being said, there are dozens of equally valid interpretations.

Jura is very clever.

I gave the AI to perform a clone analysis on the most obvious close names along with Luke, based on d1's detection. Their findings were very long, so I've summarized them below:

Bom Tishop: 19% – similarity in worldview
Tom Bishop (again): 17% – same reason
Erland: 14% – argument style and tone
Crouton: 12% – general character similarity
Me (Wise): 10% – location proximity

Even though I manipulated the AI by pointing out that it's impossible for it to be me—because if I were him, I would have told it so myself, and also our views are very different—the AI still insisted, in its final assessment, that there is a 10% chance he could be my clone, considering the possibility that he might be a strawman operated by me. I found that funny, yes.

Maybe that should tell you to stop relying on AI slop. Just saying.

I also asked it why the probability of him being Jura or Jimmy appears to be zero. It answered me that Luke has a certain level of intelligence, but since those two display oxymoronic traits, it's impossible for them to be Luke.

Well since it said that I have a certain level of intelligence, I take back what I said about AI slop.

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on April 10, 2026, 07:55:39 AM

However that isn't an excuse for me to blast my home address for everyone to

Do you live at your gym?
Im impressed.
That's dedication.

No, obviously I don't, but to give you my hometown and gym I go to would might as well be me blasting my home address. I'm simply practicing safe internet habits.

Anyway, not only was my question so hard to interpret.

Quote from: disputeone on April 10, 2026, 03:20:13 AM

Do you know Barbara and Jim Matza?

But your answer is equally indecipherable.

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on April 10, 2026, 03:49:16 AM

Yes and they're doing very well

No serious person can honestly say that this is an easy to understand exchange. No one can really know what was being asked or what was being said, there are dozens of equally valid interpretations.

Jura is very clever.

I'll address one last time. I simply read too fast. I saw the Bar in Barbara and Matza and confused the two to read Bar Mitzvah, a Jewish tradition where a 13 year old boy or a 12 year old girl for a Bat Mitzvah where they're ushered into adulthood. So in my mind, I thought you said "do you know Bar and Bat Mitzvah" as a joke pretending that you thought that these were people and not celebration events (in a similar fashion to the "don't call me Shirley). So in keeping with the presumed light heartedness of your post, I said "sure, they're doing good." So again, I apologize for the confusion. It was completely my fault for reading too fast, and I don't know who are the people you're referring to.

I think we've come to an agreement here.

I acknowledge that I could have been asking anything here, it's not at all clear what I'm saying, there must be dozens of equally valid interpretations of this post. Some people might see a shopping list, others a poem, perhaps others see a story.

Do you know Barbara and Jim Matza?

And your answer is equally indecipherable.
I just cant make heads or tails of what you meant by this. Again there are dozens of equally valid interpretations.

Yes and they're doing very well

No serious person can honestly say that this is an easy to understand exchange. No one can really know what was being asked or what was being said, there are dozens of equally valid interpretations.

Jura is very clever.

I also asked it why the probability of him being Jura or Jimmy appears to be zero. It answered me that Luke has a certain level of intelligence, but since those two display oxymoronic traits, it's impossible for them to be Luke.

Jura used to call Crouton his mentor. It's clear Jura acknowledges the difference in their abilities.

Goodnight wise.

I've read the quotes from both of you about myself. The AI isn't terrible, but what else can we do but laugh out loud at it comparing someone living in Florida to someone living in Istanbul in terms of location?

It seems he's somewhere between Tom and Crouton. In style and worldview, he's like Tom, but when concrete data is taken into account, the name Crouton stands out. So that probability is the strongest option.

Yes, in terms of personality he's concretely Crouton, but he's adopted Tom's style. Maybe he found Tom insufficient and wanted to give him that kind of support.

I'm aware of Crouton's intelligence. I'm one of the people who knows this best. But I wish he had used that intelligence for positive things. Hehe. Good night ya all.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on April 10, 2026, 06:25:53 AM

If you were living with your parents, and they didn't want you to have guns in their house, you should have respected their wishes.

I did, which is why I didn't buy my first firearm until I had my first law enforcement job. Plus I could always push for change. There's nothing wrong with that.

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Also, it seems like you are very prone to adopting ideologies based on youtube videos.

Maybe, maybe not, but always try to challenge my beliefs. BTW, where do you get all of your information?

Your mom probably had a pretty good reason to not want you running around with a gun. I bet it's the same reason the only job in "law enforcement" you can get is at a prison. You don't have a 2nd amendment right to bully your mom into letting you bring a gun in the house.

I get a lot of fish keeping information from youtube. Information about politics is from news articles, or documents. Sometimes I watch PBS News Hour, sometimes I watch the news on NHK World (Japanese news), it is interesting to follow the news from another country's perspective sometimes. I'm definitely not going to go from one youtuber to another just absorbing their views as my own. I occasionally watch a political youtube video, but I don't want to think about politics all the time. It's too much. I can't live like that.

What did Crouton really come back to say apart from the fact that he is Luke and his memory isnt quite as good as mine?

That he likes taking it in the butt?


Thats a pretty intimate detail for a guy who wont post the webpage of the gym he claims he trains at.

Then again, perhaps the two are linked. I have a rule where I dont roll with women, especially fit attractive women unless they are good enough to make me work, and there arent many. Otherwise, If I have to go easy and coach them i get... distracted...

Anyway.
Moving on.

No, obviously I don't, but to give you my hometown and gym I go to would might as well be me blasting my home address.

I mean, depending on the size of your city, town or census designated area. I guess I could figure out more about you, but posting your gyms webpage wouldn't expose your home address.

Unless you live on the base where the gym is.

Can you confirm that you also read this post too quickly and again didnt understand what I was actually asking?

Quote from: disputeone on April 10, 2026, 07:08:52 AM

If I fly over, can we roll?

Sure.

You see I'm a generous man.

I acknowledge that I could have been asking anything here, it's not at all clear what I'm saying, there must be dozens of equally valid interpretations of this post. Some people might see a shopping list, others a poem, perhaps others see a story.

If I fly over, can we roll?

And your answer is equally indecipherable.
I just cant make heads or tails of what you meant by this. Again there are dozens of equally valid interpretations.

Sure.

No serious person can honestly say that this is an easy to understand exchange. No one can really know what was being asked or what was being said, there are dozens of equally valid interpretations.

Jura is very clever.

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on April 10, 2026, 07:40:24 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on April 10, 2026, 06:25:53 AM

If you were living with your parents, and they didn't want you to have guns in their house, you should have respected their wishes.

I did, which is why I didn't buy my first firearm until I had my first law enforcement job. Plus I could always push for change. There's nothing wrong with that.

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Also, it seems like you are very prone to adopting ideologies based on youtube videos.

Maybe, maybe not, but always try to challenge my beliefs. BTW, where do you get all of your information?

Your mom probably had a pretty good reason to not want you running around with a gun. I bet it's the same reason the only job in "law enforcement" you can get is at a prison. You don't have a 2nd amendment right to bully your mom into letting you bring a gun in the house.

Got only goes so far when you're an adult. Sure, when I was in the house, I abide by their rules. However what I do outside the home is my business.

I get a lot of fish keeping information from youtube. Information about politics is from news articles, or documents. Sometimes I watch PBS News Hour, sometimes I watch the news on NHK World (Japanese news), it is interesting to follow the news from another country's perspective sometimes. I'm definitely not going to go from one youtuber to another just absorbing their views as my own. I occasionally watch a political youtube video, but I don't want to think about politics all the time. It's too much. I can't live like that.

I also watch a lot of model railroading videos.

Then again, perhaps the two are linked. I have a rule where I dont roll with women, especially fit attractive women unless they are good enough to make me work, and there arent many. Otherwise, If I have to go easy and coach them i get... distracted...

Anyway.
Moving on.

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on April 10, 2026, 08:11:17 AM

No, obviously I don't, but to give you my hometown and gym I go to would might as well be me blasting my home address.

I mean, depending on the size of your city, town or census designated area. I guess I could figure out more about you, but posting your gyms webpage wouldn't expose your home address.

Unless you live on the base where the gym is.

Can you confirm that you also read this post too quickly and again didnt understand what I was actually asking?

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on April 10, 2026, 07:14:52 AM

Quote from: disputeone on April 10, 2026, 07:08:52 AM

If I fly over, can we roll?

Sure.

If you're in my area and wanna roll, DM me. Otherwise I'm not giving out personal information.

Dm me your gym and I'll fly over.

You dont really know someone until you roll with them. Plus Im not going to spend 4k AUD to get ghosted.

I am getting off the plane. That motherfucker back there is not real.

Dm me your gym and I'll fly over.

You dont really know someone until you roll with them. Plus Im not going to spend 4k AUD to get ghosted.

Silly, Australia isn't real.

Barbara and Jim Matza

Got to say, I assumed these were joke names of some kind.

D1 do you know Chris Peacock and Ivor Bigun?

Over 340 views for a subject that says virtually nothing. One suspects this is no accident, but rather a deliberate diversion—time spent here that might otherwise be invested in discourse of actual consequence.