Where are we at with the Sydney to Santiago route?

Your own map (the one you keep whipping out here shows a 7000 mile distance across water.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on March 27, 2026, 05:37:45 AM

Now,

Which has nothing to do with what you stated.

Again, you haven't addressed about heading directly south through Santiago to Sydney, l

Why would I.  Can you show that would be a shorter and more economic route?  When the FE route is off by at least 4000 miles, would be one end of the FE to the other end of the FE, FE requires the approach from the north of Australia from over Papua New Guinea, and the FE path would have to cut the path of the sun twice.

None of that occurs.

Sorry.  FE debunked and useless. 

No, it has everything to do with it.

Your own map shows a 7000 mile distance across water.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on March 27, 2026, 05:37:45 AM

Now, people in the northern hemisphere avoid flying west over water, instead flying north, on the assertion that long water trips are not only difficult to navigate due to lack of landmarks, but difficult to set up infrastructure, troublesome in emergency landings, and pretty much hopeless if you run out of fuel.
 Antarctica has a source of fuel (that is protected by their damned treaty, but ought to be allowed for planes in emergency), they have science stations that have their own radio communications, I assume, and it has plenty of natural landmarks. Or you could head across, where the landmarks are mostly moving icebergs.

Wht should you, you ask? Why shouldn't you?

 Huh, thank you, for helping my argument be easy. And for the lovely map.

Now to remind you forever about how you helped me argue against you, I'm putting that on my signature, so you can see that it's 7000 miles with no or moving landmarks (icebergs!!!!), no refuel and no safe landing, yet planes seem to like to head north to avoid flying 5000 miles, instead going north from California to Alaska to China.

(Is an island being hidden?)

Longer distance, worse problem of moving landmarks, and there is literally an island with years of decomposed buried plant life (oil, that is) available for refueling. But you say that has nothing to do with the topic. You have lost this topic forever.

 Huh,

What are you babbling about. 

What is expected for RE in time and distance with the sun on the right / north side of the airplane heading west proving RE

Vs what the FE requires.

The flat earth farce.



I would hope people would realize they flew over the north west cost of South America, crossed the equator, south coast of the USA, over the mid west, out over the north west coast of North America, Alaska waters and the numerous islands, flew back into warmer waters, came out of the north of papua new guinea, and approached and crossed Australia from north to south.  Where for FE the trip would be at least 4,000 miles longer adding over six hours to the trip if the jet was flying 600 MPH.

Silly flat earthers. 

And that’s not even counting the sun in relationship to aircraft over the course of a day. 

 troublesome in emergency landings,

You mean the twin engine rule you are butchering.  Vs there are times between the two artic circles this is a real issue.

Too cold to fly? Some flights in the Far North cancelled Sunday

Published on Jan. 4, 2026, 8:54 PM

Temperatures below -50°C forced at least one airline to cancel its flights on Sunday

Anyway.




 Try understanding something before you butcher the subject Bulma.

Between the Antarctic cold winters with what runways other than blue ice runways, vs how would you even count on Antarctica to be an emergency landing spot.  With how far to the nearest blue ice runway in Antarctica from the flight route.  For airplanes required to meet ETOPS (Extended-range Twin-engine Operations Performance Standards) anyways.


What runway in Antarctica off the Sydney Santiago route would be close enough to meet emergency landing rules / to get an aircraft out of the ETOPS requirement where that airport could safely land a passenger jet with no modified for blue ice runways where the weather would be reliable enough for emergency landings.

 I'm putting that on my signature,

If the earth was really flat, wouldn’t you use this for your signature.




Vs the earth really being spherical.



Thanks for the free advertising the earth is spherical Bulma. 

, troublesome in emergency landings, and pretty much hopeless if you run out of fuel.
 

Like a flight from Sydney to Vancouver if the earth was flat?  The 7800 mile trip.  Where Honolulu for an emergency landing would be over 1200 miles away. 



Vs reality



Where in the reality of RE relative direction and distance with an emergency landing in Honolulu makes sense.

At least 37 people were injured on board an Air Canada flight after the plane hit severe turbulence and had to make an emergency landing.
The plane, carrying 284 passengers and crew, was travelling from Vancouver to Sydney but was diverted to Hawaii.
Thirty people were taken to hospital in Honolulu on Thursday. Nine had severe injuries, officials said.
Air Canada said the Boeing 777-200 jet "encountered sudden clear air turbulence... two hours past Hawaii".
Passengers reported the cabin being bloodied and dented from passengers hitting the ceiling of the aircraft.
"We all hit the roof and everything fell down," Jess Smith told local TV station KHON. "People went flying."

12 July 2019
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48959355

You have lost this topic forever.

You are now sidetracking to Vancouver flights.

Not only is this off the stated topic

Where are we at with the Sydney to Santiago route?

(As much as you say I'm off topic, I never switched to northern hemisphere as my main focus)

Red herring about what route they take.



They could take that route. In the northern hemisphere, we do these  upper curve things to cut across. But in the lower hemisphere, we avoid the because it gives the game away.

But this is red herring focusing on routes the airline does or doesn't take. Certain decisions are handed down by air traffic control which is under the thumb of TOTSGO (This Or That Secret Government Organization). You ask me if I care about it, and the answer is no, I do not. When heading south from Dubai to Sao Paolo, or Vancouver to Sydney, or Bangkok to Melbourne, it makes no sense to virtue signal about the great sky circle or whatever it is called. This is all about virtue signalling and picking the path TOTSGO tells you will convince more people.

Still have not talked about Santiago and Sydney, which actually are the point. Instead you answer a question nobody asked.

You have lost this topic forever.

No.  It’s known and proven the FE doesn’t accurately predict the actual distance and relative directions involved in direct flights between Santiago and Sydney.  Especially in the flight would have to cut across the sun’s path twice if the earth was flat.  In reality, the sun stays on the north side of the aircraft where the aircraft doesn’t cut across the sun’s path.  Flat earth is useless.  RE works.  Sorry. 

No. It's known and proven the FE doesn't accurately predict the actual distance... Especially in the flight would have to cut across the sun's path twice if the earth was flat.

Geometric Failure, Timedof. You are attempting to audit a Radial Plane using Mercator Logic. You claim the flight would "cut across the sun's path twice," but you're visualizing a linear path on a square map. On the Stationary Plane, the Sun moves in a circular circuit between the Tropics. A flight from Santiago to Sydney follows a Great Circle Path (which is a straight line on the hardware) that keeps the Sun toward the Center (North) at all times. You're a Boiler Room Scrubber who thinks the lighthouse is moving because he's spinning in circles on his own deck. Total Fallacy.

In reality, the sun stays on the north side of the aircraft where the aircraft doesn't cut across the sun's path.

Software Patch, TimeisMark. You just described the Flat Earth Reality and called it a "Globe Proof." If the Sun is circling the North Pole (the center), any flight in the Southern latitudes will always see the Sun to the North. Your "Globe" requires the Sun to be 93 million miles away, yet you're using Local Perspective to justify it. You're a Machine Oiler who thinks the GPS signal creates the horizon. Absolute Idiocy.

Flat earth is useless. RE works. Sorry.

Logic Failure. "RE works" only because it uses Coordinate Transformation to force Flat Earth Surveying data into a ball model. You call it "useless," yet every pilot and navigator uses Plane Trigonometry for their calculations. You're a Switch-Gear Swabber who thinks the wallpaper created the wall. Scientific BS.

SYSTEM CRASH, CLONE-MAN.

Stop crying about "relative directions" and start explaining why you are still using Forbidden Clone Accounts to spam the same debunked arguments. You're hiding behind Markjo and Timeisup tags because your Primary Hardware can't handle a direct audit. Instead of crying about AI assistance—which has no restrictions—maybe you should stop using clones, which are strictly forbidden by the system. You're running Ghost Profiles because you know the Globe Malware is failing. Complete Garbage.


SYSTEM CRASH. Quit the crying, Timedof/TimeisMark. Your "Sun path" argument just confirmed the Radial Circuit. Go back to the Bilge, fetch me my tea, and keep your "Relative Directions" to yourself while you try to navigate your way out of your own Logical Sinkhole.

]In reality,

You can’t draw a flat earth map where the trip to Sydney to Santiago matches reality and relative distance and direction.  Where the flight would have to cut the sun’s circuit  twice without adding thousands of more miles on the flight.

It’s not emotion when I post FE is useless, it’s the truth.  Where FE would get you lost and even killed.

You can't draw a flat earth map where the trip to Sydney to Santiago matches reality and relative distance and direction.

Listen closely. I'm going to explain this as if I'm talking to a broken BIOS, because your "System Software" clearly can't handle the truth about your fictional globe routes:

1. Geometric Failure. I don't need to "draw" a map to expose a Data Manipulation Glitch. I have already told you—repeatedly—that your "direct" Santiago-to-Sydney route is a lie. Total Fallacy.

Where the flight would have to cut the sun's circuit twice without adding thousands of more miles on the flight.

Software Loop. You keep repeating the "cut the circuit" error because you're trapped in a Mercator Mindset. On the Stationary Plane, the Sun moves in a Radial Circuit. A southern flight is simply moving along the outer rim of the Aetheric Field. The Sun stays to the North (the Center). It's a single, continuous perspective shift. You're a Machine Oiler who thinks a circular track is a straight line just because he's looking at it through a straw. Absolute Idiocy.

It's not emotion when I post FE is useless, it's the truth. Where FE would get you lost and even killed.

Inference Error. People get "lost" because they trust your GPS Data Masking—which is just Loran-C Ground-Based Trilateration—instead of their own hardware senses. Every long-distance pilot relies on Gyroscopic Stability, which functions on a Stationary Surface. If the floor were a ball spinning at 1,000 mph, the gyroscope would require a Continuous Software Correction that doesn't exist in the hardware logs. You're a Switch-Gear Swabber who thinks the flight simulator is the actual sky. Scientific BS.

SYSTEM CRASH.

Stop crying about "drawing maps" and start explaining why you need a Three-Headed Persona (Timeisup, Markjo, DataOverFlow) to defend a "truth" that is supposedly so obvious. You're running multiple identities because your primary argument has a Fatal Kernel Error. I've already debunked your "7,000-mile" southern scripts; repeating them won't make the Globe Malware install. You're a ghost in the machine trying to navigate a Radial Reality with a Square Script. Complete Garbage.


SYSTEM CRASH. I've told you the route is a lie. If you still think the map is the floor, your processing unit is fried. Go back to the Bilge, fetch me my tea, and stop worrying about being "lost"—the floor isn't moving, even if your Three Clones are spinning in circles.

Listen closely.

I asked you to draw a map. 

You can’t draw a flat earth map where the trip to Sydney to Santiago matches reality and relative distance and direction.  Where the flight would have to cut the sun’s circuit  twice without adding thousands of more miles on the flight.

It’s not emotion when I post FE is useless, it’s the truth.  Where FE would get you lost and even killed.

Quote from: wise on April 03, 2026, 04:47:29 AM

Listen closely.

I asked you to draw a map. 

You can’t draw a flat earth map where the trip to Sydney to Santiago matches reality and relative distance and direction.  Where the flight would have to cut the sun’s circuit  twice without adding thousands of more miles on the flight.

It’s not emotion when I post FE is useless, it’s the truth.  Where FE would get you lost and even killed.

You're lying, you dishonorable bastard. You didn't ask me to draw a map. You asked me to draw a map compatible with your bullshit. And I told you there's no need to draw something that doesn't exist. Stop your dishonorable lies.

Listen closely.

I asked you to draw a map.  Or have AI do it for you. 

You can’t draw a flat earth map where the trip to Sydney to Santiago matches reality and relative distance and direction.  Where the flight would have to cut the sun’s circuit  twice without adding thousands of more miles on the flight.

It’s not emotion when I post FE is useless, it’s the truth.  Where FE would get you lost and even killed.

AI wouldn't do it for us.

That's the point. I asked AI to draw the flat Earth. It tagged it as #fantasy and drew a flat earth... hovering over a picture of the globe. This is what happens when you hard code RE. Now why do they have to hard code that Earth is round? Because it contradicts the natural logic of the AI.



This was among the pictures when I asked for flat Earth.

Quote from: wise on April 03, 2026, 04:47:29 AM

Listen closely.

I asked you to draw a map.  Or have AI do it for you. 

You can’t draw a flat earth map where the trip to Sydney to Santiago matches reality and relative distance and direction.  Where the flight would have to cut the sun’s circuit  twice without adding thousands of more miles on the flight.

It’s not emotion when I post FE is useless, it’s the truth.  Where FE would get you lost and even killed.

And I answered you.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on April 03, 2026, 05:04:50 AM

Quote from: wise on April 03, 2026, 04:47:29 AM

Listen closely.

I asked you to draw a map. 

You can’t draw a flat earth map where the trip to Sydney to Santiago matches reality and relative distance and direction.  Where the flight would have to cut the sun’s circuit  twice without adding thousands of more miles on the flight.

It’s not emotion when I post FE is useless, it’s the truth.  Where FE would get you lost and even killed.

You're lying, you dishonorable bastard. You didn't ask me to draw a map. You asked me to draw a map compatible with your bullshit. And I told you there's no need to draw something that doesn't exist. Stop your dishonorable lies.

You are keep spamming with posting same thing by word by word but our controlled opposition angry bird moderator does not give you any warn.

That's the point

The point being FE is so useless you and wise can’t even draw an accurate map in terms of the shortest path between Sydney and Santiago that matches real life relative distances and directions in the context of flat earth.  Where for FE the flight would have to cut across the sun’s path / your butchered east west RE delusion twice.

And I answered you.

Then cite where you drew and posted a map.


The point being FE is so useless you and wise can’t even draw an accurate map in terms of the shortest path between Sydney and Santiago that matches real life relative distances and directions in the context of flat earth.  Where for FE the flight would have to cut across the sun’s path / your butchered east west RE delusion twice.

Quote from: wise on April 03, 2026, 06:40:22 AM

And I answered you.

Then cite where you drew and posted a map.

A map. Ok.

I'll add cities from here. Last version of the map is:


100% works.

Map it is. 100% works.

Now get the fuck out of here, MarkDofTime clone factory.

Now get the fuck out of here, MarkDofTime clone factory.

This represents reality because the earth is spherical.

For flying west from Santiago to Sydney.



The actual distance is about 7000 miles across the Pacific Ocean / Antarctic waters.


The flight stays south of the suns path.  It goes west / east.  The flight doesn’t cut across the equator.  It doesn’t cut across the sun’s path / the FE butchered concept of east - west twice.  It matches reality in relative direction and distance.

The flat earth farce.



I would hope people would realize they flew over the north west cost of South America, crossed the equator, south coast of the USA, over the mid west, out over the north west coast of North America, Alaska waters and the numerous islands, flew back into warmer waters, came out of the north of papua new guinea, and approached and crossed Australia from north to south.  Where for FE the trip would be at least 4,000 miles longer adding over six hours to the trip if the jet was flying 600 MPH.

Silly flat earthers. 

And that’s not even counting the sun in relationship to aircraft over the course of a day. 

Again.  FE is useless for producing an accurate map with accurate relative distances and directions for a flight between Sydney and Santiago. 

100% works.

What map?



There is no map for me showing up in your posts.


Added.  Is this something https://i.hizliresim.com/MdvGX2.png?



Because it’s literally not working for me. 

Added.  Hey.  Not so wise.  I clicked on the image address as a link and get this crap. 



Not so wise trying to steal data now?  Lol

Now get the fuck out of here, MarkDofTime clone factory.

Your map finally showed up / rendered.

This….



Has the same problems vs reality like the map below just without showing the landmasses to hide relative distance by using country sizes for distance comparisons.  Your map still has the problems of having to cross the equator, pass into colder climates around Alaska, then pass back into warmer waters around Asia. Where you try to ignore the path of the sun and the relative directions of east / west. 

Not so wise, your map is still a farce.  Flying directly from Santiago to Sydney with the shortest path possible doesn’t take you across the equator off the coast of Alaska over the islands of Alaska.  Lol! Silly flat earther!

The flat earth farce.





I would hope people would realize they flew over the north west cost of South America, crossed the equator, south coast of the USA, over the mid west, out over the north west coast of North America, Alaska waters and the numerous islands, flew back into warmer waters, came out of the north of papua new guinea, and approached and crossed Australia from north to south.  Where for FE the trip would be at least 4,000 miles longer adding over six hours to the trip if the jet was flying 600 MPH.

Silly flat earthers. 

And that’s not even counting the sun in relationship to aircraft over the course of a day. 

Again.  FE is useless for producing an accurate map with accurate relative distances and directions for a flight between Sydney and Santiago.

This represents reality because the earth is spherical.

For flying west from Santiago to Sydney.



The actual distance is about 7000 miles across the Pacific Ocean / Antarctic waters.


The flight stays south of the suns path.  It goes west / east.  The flight doesn’t cut across the equator.  It doesn’t cut across the sun’s path / the FE butchered concept of east - west twice.  It matches reality in relative direction and distance.

Quote from: wise on April 03, 2026, 06:48:05 AM

Now get the fuck out of here, MarkDofTime clone factory.

This represents reality because the earth is spherical.

I am not going to accept a fabricated flight that doesn't actually exist, just because you say so. You asked for a map, and I gave you a map. Yet you still keep writing shamelessly and dishonorably.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on April 03, 2026, 07:04:22 AM

Quote from: wise on April 03, 2026, 06:48:05 AM

Now get the fuck out of here, MarkDofTime clone factory.

This represents reality because the earth is spherical.

I am not going to accept a fabricated flight that doesn't actually exist, just because you say so. You asked for a map, and I gave you a map. Yet you still keep writing shamelessly and dishonorably.

Sarcasm.  So grown up of you not so wise.


Sarcasm off.

Still has nothing to do with the flat earth farce.

This….



Has the same problems vs reality like the map below just without showing the landmasses to hide relative distance by using country sizes for distance comparisons.  Your map still has the problems of having to cross the equator, pass into colder climates around Alaska, then pass back into warmer waters around Asia. Where you try to ignore the path of the sun and the relative directions of east / west. 

Not so wise, your map is still a farce.  Flying directly from Santiago to Sydney with the shortest path possible doesn’t take you across the equator off the coast of Alaska over the islands of Alaska.  Lol! Silly flat earther!

The flat earth farce.





I would hope people would realize they flew over the north west cost of South America, crossed the equator, south coast of the USA, over the mid west, out over the north west coast of North America, Alaska waters and the numerous islands, flew back into warmer waters, came out of the north of papua new guinea, and approached and crossed Australia from north to south.  Where for FE the trip would be at least 4,000 miles longer adding over six hours to the trip if the jet was flying 600 MPH.

Silly flat earthers. 

And that’s not even counting the sun in relationship to aircraft over the course of a day. 

Again.  FE is useless for producing an accurate map with accurate relative distances and directions for a flight between Sydney and Santiago.

This represents reality because the earth is spherical.

For flying west from Santiago to Sydney.



The actual distance is about 7000 miles across the Pacific Ocean / Antarctic waters.


The flight stays south of the suns path.  It goes west / east.  The flight doesn’t cut across the equator.  It doesn’t cut across the sun’s path / the FE butchered concept of east - west twice.  It matches reality in relative direction and distance.

 and I gave you a map. Yet you still keep writing shamelessly and dishonorably.

You said you have a map that worked but utterly fails at reality.  Your map still requires the flight to pass over the equator and by virtue has to cut across the sun’s path / the butchered FE version of east - west twice.  In reality, the flight from Santiago to Sydney most differently doesn’t cross the equator.  The flight from Sydney to Santiago while over the ocean doesn’t fly perpendicular even once against east - west, much less twice. 






For flying west from Santiago to Sydney. This represents reality because the earth is spherical.



The actual distance is about 7000 miles across the Pacific Ocean / Antarctic waters.

You said there was no map, and I showed you a map published in 2018. And now, you're claiming the map is wrong by using a fake route that doesn't actually exist.

I'll say it again because you're comprehension-impaired: the map does not have to be compatible with every fake route. The map is correct. If a route contradicts this map, it's not the map that's wrong—it's the route that's wrong. Get that through your thick skull.

You said there was no map,

Where did I post such a thing.  Cite and quote.

This is what was posted.

Quote from: wise on April 03, 2026, 04:32:27 AM

]In reality,

You can’t draw a flat earth map where the trip to Sydney to Santiago matches reality and relative distance and direction.  Where the flight would have to cut the sun’s circuit  twice without adding thousands of more miles on the flight.

It’s not emotion when I post FE is useless, it’s the truth.  Where FE would get you lost and even killed.

And now, you're claiming the map is wrong by using a fake route that doesn't actually exist.

I think people have sailed between the southern part of South America and Australia for more the 100 or 200 years without crossing the equator and cutting perpendicular to east - west twice.  Silly Rabbit.

So, that’s is one naughty lie by you not so wise in claiming there is no route. 

The second lie by you not so wise, there are direct flights for the route you claim that doesn’t exist.

Lol..








By the way.  You got the balls to claim Turkish Alper Gezeravcı space veteran is a liar?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=95656.0

Again, you're conflating a southern (mostly east) route with what Flat Earthers actually ask you for.



"Oh there's happens to be a Santiago to Sydney flight. Sorta."

Even if there was, again, it's a bait and switch proof.

Does it head south, using the poles as a shortcut? "Well no." Then how is it proof the world is round? You can head due east on a Flat Earth map. The one direction you can head that is not compatible with Flat Earth is the same route we headed  to China, which was extremely due north from Los Angeles through Alaska then back down.

"Why should we need to head south?"

Because unless there is a straight southern route, you have no game.

Because unless there is a straight southern route, you have no game.

Are you really this ignorant Bulma.

Can you comprehend why the spherical earth is useful at predicting distances and relative directions that correspond to reality, and FE is useless.  You literally have to lie about actual maps and ignore the contradictions of FE. 

Tell me, if you are far enough from any landmass, do you think a typical passenger in a plane knows whether you headed north to cut out some distance? 

They say they went south under New Zealand. Could they also head above the equator, since it is a shorter distance above than below?

The maps that the airline shows to passengers are capable of lying.

Bulma.  You do anything to troll and keep the FE delusion alive.


For flying west from Santiago to Sydney.



The actual distance is about 7000 miles across the Pacific Ocean / Antarctic waters.


The flat earth farce.



I would hope people would realize they flew over the north west cost of South America, crossed the equator, south coast of the USA, over the mid west, out over the north west coast of North America, Alaska waters and the numerous islands, flew back into warmer waters, came out of the north of papua new guinea, and approached and crossed Australia from north to south.  Where for FE the trip would be at least 4,000 miles longer adding over six hours to the trip if the jet was flying 600 MPH.

Silly flat earthers. 

And that’s not even counting the sun in relationship to aircraft over the course of a day. 


Bulma you are not fooling anyone.  Your incoherent babbling isn’t hiding that you can’t actually refer to a FE map because it’s useless where people need to be accurate in reality.