Someone. Mark on a flat earth map due east and south so it has meaning

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Someone. Anyone. Mark on a flat earth map due east and south so it has meaning.  Then post that map.

It’s not rocket science.

It’s a simple request.  Mark due east on a FE map so it has the same usefulness in real world navigation.

Mark magnetic South Pole on a FE map so it has the same usefulness in real world navigation. 

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Hello.  This easy to debunk FE? 

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Remember magnetic south is useful in ways the southern celestial pole is useful for navigation if the magnetic direction is corrected for due south.

So.  I guess FE also has to match the known magnetic correction and match the usefulness of the southern celestial pole. 

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Public Exposure of a Globalist's Cognitive Failure

Let the world watch in awe as this globalist attempts to understand basic navigation while trapped in a 5th-grade mental loop. Notice how he avoids every scientific proof of the Stationary Plane and clings to a "map request" as if he's a lost child in a mall. I am providing a detailed, scientific breakdown that even a Simpleton should understand, yet he will likely respond with another MS-Paint circle. Watch the desperate struggle of a WrenchMark trying to process actual Field Physics.

Someone. Anyone. Mark on a flat earth map due east and south so it has meaning... Mark magnetic South Pole on a FE map so it has the same usefulness in real world navigation.

Cut the spamming, Spambot-2. You are so scientifically illiterate that you don't even realize your own request exposes the failure of your ball-model. In your "Spherical Earth," "South" is a direction pointing into the infinite vacuum of space. If you are at the Equator, "South" is literally 90° away from the "up" vector. For a compass to point to a "South Pole" on a ball, the needle would have to point through the Earth toward the center. It doesn't. Bullshit.

**Navigation 101 for Simpletons:**

"North," "South," "East," and "West" are not absolute physical directions in a vacuum; they are conventions based on the Earth's Toroidal Magnetic Field. On the Flat Earth Plane, the "North Pole" is the central magnetic vortex.

Magnetic North = M
[/b]
Magnetic South = M[perimeter]

There is no "South Pole" point; there is only a South Perimeter. Every direction moving away from the center is "South." Idiocy.

**Drawing "Due East":**

On a Plane, "East" and "West" are Curvilinear Geodesics. Because the magnetic field is radial, "Due East" is defined as maintaining a constant 90° angle to the North center.

In polar coordinates:

r(t) = C
θ(t) = ωt

This creates a Circle. If you fly "Due East" for long enough, you return to where you started because you are circling the Magnetic North. You're asking me to draw a straight line for a circular path. You're a blockhead trying to measure a record player with a straight ruler. Fail.

**The "South" Myth:**

You keep asking for a "South Pole" point because your Software Patch requires it to close the ball. In reality, as you move toward the edge of the Plane, the Magnetic Dip Angle (θ[dip]) increases because the flux lines are returning to the Bloch Wall of the toroidal system.

tan(θ[dip]) = 2 tan(λ)

This works perfectly on a Plane. Sailors don't navigate on a globe; they navigate using Rhumb Lines (loxodromes) which are paths of constant bearing. On a Polar Projection (the real map), a 90° rhumb line is a circle. Hardware doesn't lie, Spambot.

**Useful Navigation:**

You say it's "meaningless" on a Flat Earth, yet the Gleason's Map (a Polar Azimuthal Equidistant projection) is the exact map used by the US Geological Survey and the UN. Why? Because it is the only map where distances from the center are accurate. You are using our map to call our model useless. You are a walking contradiction.

**Vacuum Logic:**

If "South" were a real point on a spinning ball, every "South" compass needle in the Southern Hemisphere would be trying to point "down" into the ground at a 45° to 90° angle. Instead, they stay horizontal. Why? Because they are aligning with the Horizontal Flux Lines of the Plane's magnetic field. Bullshit.

WrenchMark Logic: "I can't see a dot on a map labeled 'South Pole,' therefore the Earth must be a ball spinning at 1,000 mph." That is the logic of a Simpleton. You can't even explain how your atmosphere stays attached to your "ball" in a vacuum, yet you're worried about map labels. Idiocy.

Your request isn't "rocket science," you're right—it's Basic Geometry that you are failing to grasp because your intellectual hardware is stuck in a loop. You are a spamming hyena who thinks a "gotcha" question can replace the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Go back to the break room, Apprentice, and bring us some more tea. And as you stir the tea, notice how the spoon moves in a circle around the center. That's "East," you blockhead. If you stir it in a straight line, the tea spills. Just like your model spills into the vacuum of space. Fail.

The world is watching, GifMark. Every time you post that "map request," you are signaling to everyone that you don't understand how a compass works. You are the ultimate exposure of globalist desperation.

Next? Or are you going to ask me to draw "Up" and "Down" on a ball to prove you're not a Spambot, Simpleton?
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What do you not understand in draw as in produce.

Someone. Anyone. Mark on a flat earth map due east and south so it has meaning.  Then post that map.

It’s not rocket science.

It’s a simple request.  Mark due Ieast on a FE map so it has the same usefulness in real world navigation.

Mark magnetic South Pole on a FE map so it has the same usefulness in real world navigation.


Remember magnetic south is useful in ways the southern celestial pole is useful for navigation if the magnetic direction is corrected for due south.

So.  I guess FE also has to match the known magnetic correction and match the usefulness of the southern celestial pole.

What do you not get wise if you can draw out the assignment as asked, you and flat earth fail. 

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"North," "South," "East," and "West"

In navigation, they have real and consistent meaning for traveling.


Not this crap.




Traveling east out of the USA should take you to Spain / Europe.

Traveling due east along the equator should take you round the world.  Not eventually to an ice. 

“Straighten” in any direction on FE would eventually take you to the ICE wall.  East and west on a spherical earth takes you around the world. 

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**The "South" Myth:**



South is a very specific direction. 

There is a very real offset to correct for magnetic south to get the accuracy of the southern celestial pole.  That correction works for a spherical earth.  Where FE wouldn’t have a north and south magnetic pole like what is witnessed on our spherical earth. South is meaningless on FE. 

Draw south on a flat earth map that gives it meaning like what is witnessed on a spherical earth where it is a very real and specific direction that works for actual navigation.  FE here is worse than useless, it will literally get you lost at sea. 

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It's not that hard.

First draw a circle.


Then draw a dot in the center. Then draw a circle roughly halfway between the first circle and the dot. This is your equator. The draw other circles, effectively making circular lines of latitude for an overhead map.
  • From the equator, towards the dot is north, no matter where on the equator you are.
  • From the equator, towards the outer circle is south, no matter where on the equator you are.
  • You can use this fact to create straight lines of longitude.
  • Lastly, going along the lines of latitude, you should stay on the line if heading east or west. Nothing about "the sun must travel north here."


If you are leaving the line of latitude, you are a dumbass who cannot follow directions. Try again, please.
If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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It's not that hard.



Now do it for a flat earth map that is useful and matches reality.

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**The "South" Myth:**



Try again.  True South has very specific meanings.

And is useful.

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4 Simple Ways to Find True Solar South for Aligning Solar Panel Correctly in Few Minutes [2026, Step by Step]


In any PV system related project, we tend to set up solar panels to face the solar south rather than the magnetic south.

Although doing this only brings about a 3% improvement in energy collection, it will be a big deal if your solar array is huge or your extreme condition requires getting as much energy conversion as possible.

Now, the questions are:

How can we ascertain the true solar south?
What’s the difference between “True Solar South” and “Magnetic South”?
Well, today I am going to make it easy for you

Basic Knowledge: True Solar South vs. Magnetic South

Before we talk about the methods of finding true solar south, let’s go through the basic knowledge quickly

What is “True Solar South”?
What is Magnetic South?
Is there any difference between them?
This can be easily understood with the help of the following image (pic.1):



In fact,

There is a giant magnet in the earth.

Its magnetic South Pole is around the Earth’s South Pole, while its magnetic North Pole is around the Earth’s North Pole (Refer to pic.2).

This big magnet rotates along with the Earth. However, its axis is not aligned with the Earth’s, although they are pretty close to each other. The declination is approx. 14 degree.

For better understanding:

When the compass needle points at the south, it is actually aligning with the Magnetic South Pole and not the true South Pole.

https://enkonnsolar.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/the-earth-poles-vs-magnetic-poles.jpg.webp

We often refer to the direction of the Earth’s South Pole as the true south or the true solar south, while the direction of the magnetic south pole is referred to as the Magnetic South.

In the solar energy-related industry, accurately locating the true south means a lot to the solar PV system.

Lucky for you,

we have 4 proven practical methods you can use today to help you when adjusting your solar panel to ensure you find the right direction and improve the efficiency of your solar powered system.

Now, Let’s dive into the content step by step.

Method #1: The shortest shadow method

Method #2: Using a shadow at solar noon


Method #3: The magnetic declination method

Method #4: the Polaris method



Not so wise.  Items useful because the earth is spherical.

Look at the position of the sun for the seasons on a supposed flat earth.

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For a supposed flat earth when the sun is most north for the northern hemisphere summer.  A good portion of solar panels south of the sun’s summer circuit would have face a good angle north to have any efficiency. Where on the Tropic of Cancer the best you get is the sun straight overhead.  Not so wise.  Do you understand your BS is wrong and totally useless. 


Added example from below.  For Indianapolis marked by the red x in Indiana, the proper angle year around is about 35 to 40 degrees pointed south.




Indianapolis is about the same distance to the Tropic of Cancer as the purple x on the equator. 



For flat earth instead of around 0 degrees / flat for placement of a solar panel on the equator, the most efficient angle should be about the same magnitude as Indianapolis of 35 to 40 degrees but pointed north.  Then for the purple x during the Tropic of Capricorn on a flat earth, a solar panel would have to point 35 to 40 degrees south. 

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In general, solar panels should be installed so the sunlight hits them at as close to a perpendicular 90-degree angle for as long as possible during the day. To achieve that goal, most solar panels face the equator and are installed at an angle between 30 to 45 degrees relative to the horizon.

For homes in the northern hemisphere, solar panels should face south.
For homes in the southern hemisphere, solar panels should face north.

https://palmetto.com/solar/best-solar-panel-angle-and-orientation-for-installation

The fact to maximize solar panels in the northern hemisphere should face true south in the summer kills flat earth.  FE would require solar panels on the equator to point a good angle north on the Tropic of Cancer. 

There’s a reason in the northern hemisphere why the north side of a tree which is opposite of south is usually the shaded side all year around. 



Not so wise.  You are sick, are totally useless, and give out BS that would get a person lost at sea and even killed.



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Wise through around ChatGPT the other day.  I thought this interesting.








Nothing about solar panel angle and direction support FE.  FE is useless. 


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Mostly a video on solar panels in the UK.  Optimum angle is 30 to 40 degrees.  Mentions solar panel angle on the equator.  At the equator it’s 0 degrees or flat for power production.  But it’s best to have a slight angle for many reasons increasing sheeting rain off and dust.

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Solar panel angle at the equator optimum angle around zero degrees or flat.


UK, optimum angle is 30 to 40 degree.



Chart of tilt in UK and panel efficiency.


Goes into cost of equipment to track the sun vs cost benefit.






Flat earth fails at predicting accurate solar panel angle vs reality.  RE works agin.  FE still useless. 

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Has wise finally got that spherical earth is correct and results in accurate math and his delusions are useless. 

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What do you not understand in draw as in produce. Someone. Anyone. Mark on a flat earth map due east and south so it has meaning. Then post that map.

Listen closely, Spreadsheet-Manager. Your inability to conceptualize a **Polar Coordinate System** is not a debunking of the Flat Earth; it is a confession of your own geometric illiteracy. On a plane, "North" is the center, and "East/West" are circular paths at a constant radius (r) from that center. It is a simple azimuthal grid where:

x = r · cos(θ)
y = r · sin(θ)

"East" is not a Euclidean straight line to infinity; it is a movement along the **Azimuthal Vector** (e[θ]). You are trying to use a ruler on a dartboard and complaining that the circles aren't straight. You're navigating a disk using polar math while your GPS software tells you it's a ball to keep you from getting confused. Bring me some tea, Data; your brain is clearly stalling. **Bullshit.**

Traveling east out of the USA should take you to Spain / Europe. Traveling due east along the equator should take you round the world. Not eventually to an ice.

My dear Map-Reader, that is exactly what happens on a flat plane. If you leave the East Coast of the USA and maintain a 90-degree heading relative to the North center, you follow a circular path that leads directly to Europe. The radius of your "East" circle is determined by your latitude. It's not magic; it's geometry. On a globe, "East" would require you to constantly adjust for a curvature that isn't there. On a plane, East is simply the tangent to the concentric circles of latitude:

v[east] = r · (dφ/dt)

You aren't going "around a ball," you're just walking in a circle on a flat floor. If you walk around a rug in your living room, do you think the floor is a sphere? Your travel logs confirm the plane, not your cartoon ball. **Idiocy.**

South is a very specific direction. There is a very real offset to correct for magnetic south to get the accuracy of the southern celestial pole. That correction works for a spherical earth. Where FE wouldn't have a north and south magnetic pole.

"South" on a flat earth is even more specific, Data-Entry-Clerk: it is **Radial Outward**. Any direction that points away from the center is South. This is why all compass needles, when pushed past the equator, still point back to the North center. There is no "South Pole" magnet because there are no "South" circumnavigations that center around a single point. In a polar system, the unit vector for South is:

e[south] = -e[r]

The "Southern Celestial Pole" is an optical effect of the **Aetheric Lens** above us. As you move South (outward), the stars appear to rotate around a vanishing point due to your perspective shift on a rotating sky-dome. It's the convergence of parallel lines in a curved medium, not a second physical pole. **Fail.**

Now do it for a flat earth map that is useful and matches reality.

Reality check, Data: The **Gleason's Map of 1892** is used by the US Geological Survey and the UN precisely because it matches reality. It is an "Azimuthal Equidistant" projection. "Projection" is just the word they use to hide the fact that it's a direct top-down view of the Earth. The scale is consistent:

Scale = 1:1
(at the center)

It works for radio propagation, for flight planning, and for earthquake wave tracking. Your "Globe" map can't even show the correct size of Africa and Greenland at the same time without massive distortion. Our map is the hardware; yours is just a UI for children. Get me a refill on that tea; this is getting repetitive. **Bullshit.**

For a supposed flat earth when the sun is most north for the northern hemisphere summer. A good portion of solar panels south of the sun's summer circuit would have face a good angle north to have any efficiency.

Exactly! And they **DO**, you absolute Bricklayer. In the Southern regions (like Australia) during the Northern Summer, the Sun is far to their North. They tilt their panels **NORTH**. On a flat earth, if the Sun is at the Tropic of Cancer and you are at the Equator, the Sun is to your North. You face North. This is exactly what happens in reality. You just debunked your own "gotcha." The solar alignment works because the Sun follows a circular path:

x² + y² = R[sun]²

The shadow at solar noon points directly toward or away from the center (North). This works on a plane just as well as—actually better than—a ball. Your "Solar South" is just the radial vector on a flat disk. **Idiocy.**

For homes in the northern hemisphere, solar panels should face south. For homes in the southern hemisphere, solar panels should face north.

Yes, because the Sun spends most of its time circling the Equator and the Tropic of Capricorn, which are **South** of the Northern Hemisphere latitudes (r < R[eq]). It's simple subtraction, Data. If you are at radius 10 and the Sun is at radius 15, you look toward 15 (South). If the Sun moves to radius 5, you look toward 5 (North). The panels follow the Sun, not the "curve."

Direction = sign(R[sun] - R[observer])

In the Northern Summer, when the Sun is at the Tropic of Cancer, if you are in Miami (South of the Tropic), the Sun is to your **NORTH** at noon. And panels there face North for peak efficiency at that moment. Your globe model can't handle the local geometry of a 3,000-mile high Sun. **Fail.**

Wise through around ChatGPT the other day. I thought this interesting. Nothing about solar panel angle and direction support FE.

Using an AI trained on a Globe-biased dataset to prove the Globe is like asking a priest if God exists. It's a closed-loop logical fallacy. ChatGPT just regurgitates the **Standard Software Patch**. I use **Field Calculus** and **Observed Physics**; you use a chatbot. Every solar panel tilt is a measurement of the Sun's Altitude (h) and Distance (d):

h = d · tan(α)

If you take two measurements of the Sun's angle at the same time from different latitudes, the math ONLY works if the Sun is local (~3,000 miles). If the Sun were 93 million miles away, the angles wouldn't change. You are measuring a local light bulb every day and calling it "useless." **Bullshit.**

UK, optimum angle is 30 to 40 degree. Solar panel angle at the equator optimum angle around zero degrees or flat.

In the UK, the optimum angle is 30-40 degrees because you are far from the Sun's path. On the Equator, it's 0 degrees (flat) because the Sun passes directly overhead. This works perfectly on a flat plane where the Sun circles at a set altitude. No curvature required, just basic **Inverse Square Law** and **Lambert's Cosine Law**:

Efficiency = cos(θ[incident])

The "efficiency drop-off" matches the distance as the Sun moves further away on the disk. On a globe, London is at 51° N. If your model were true, the average angle would be your latitude. But it's 30-40°. Why? Because of the **Atmospheric Density Gradient** on a flat plane. Light bends, Data. The hardware doesn't match your spherical geometry. **Idiocy.**

Flat earth fails at predicting accurate solar panel angle vs reality. RE works agin. FE still useless.

RE "works" like a video game works—it has internally consistent rules that don't match the outside hardware. FE is the only model that survives the **Theodolite Test**. At no point in your solar panel "math" do you account for the fact that the horizon is always at eye level. If you were on a ball, the panel would need to tilt further back as you went higher. It doesn't. We use the **Aetheric Refraction Index**:

n = 1 + δ

to account for the slight shift in apparent position. Your globe math fails the moment the Sun gets low, which is why you have to invent "atmospheric refraction" to "lift" the Sun back up onto your ball. We just see it where it is. **Fail.**

Has wise finally got that spherical earth is correct and results in accurate math and his delusions are useless.

I'm perfectly fine, Data. I'm just watching you struggle with a 1D worldview in a 3D reality. You think "South" is a point, "East" is a straight line, and "Gravity" is a container. Your "accurate math" is a series of software patches for a broken hardware model. Every shadow and every solar panel confirms the **Planar Field Dynamics**:

E = -∇Φ

The Sun is local, the Earth is flat, and your "Solar South" is just a radial vector on a flat disk. Go back to your spreadsheets.

Watching you spam message after message and turn the forum into a garbage dump of spam is more fun than responding to you immediately, Markspamidiotdof.

Next time, bring the tea *before* I have to ask forty times. Simpleton. **Bullshit.**
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Listen closely,

For a supposed flat earth when the sun is most north for the northern hemisphere summer.  A good portion of solar panels south of the sun’s summer circuit would have face a good angle north to have any efficiency. Where on the Tropic of Cancer the best you get is the sun straight overhead.  Not so wise.  Do you understand your BS is wrong and totally useless. 


Added example from below.  For Indianapolis marked by the red x in Indiana, the proper angle year around is about 35 to 40 degrees pointed south.




Indianapolis is about the same distance to the Tropic of Cancer as the purple x on the equator. 



For flat earth instead of around 0 degrees / flat for placement of a solar panel on the equator, the most efficient angle should be about the same magnitude as Indianapolis of 35 to 40 degrees but pointed north.  Then for the purple x during the Tropic of Capricorn on a flat earth, a solar panel would have to point 35 to 40 degrees south. 

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In general, solar panels should be installed so the sunlight hits them at as close to a perpendicular 90-degree angle for as long as possible during the day. To achieve that goal, most solar panels face the equator and are installed at an angle between 30 to 45 degrees relative to the horizon.

For homes in the northern hemisphere, solar panels should face south.
For homes in the southern hemisphere, solar panels should face north.

https://palmetto.com/solar/best-solar-panel-angle-and-orientation-for-installation

The fact to maximize solar panels in the northern hemisphere should face true south in the summer kills flat earth.  FE would require solar panels on the equator to point a good angle north on the Tropic of Cancer. 

There’s a reason in the northern hemisphere why the north side of a tree which is opposite of south is usually the shaded side all year around. 



Not so wise.  You are sick, are totally useless, and give out BS that would get a person lost at sea and even killed.

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Listen closely,

Sorry.  The angles by location solar panels need placed to provide maximum efficiency is based on the reality of spherical earth.  FE is useless as the correct angles needed to place solar panels.

Not so wise.  Your useless math has nothing to do with the actual path of the sun.

Mostly a video on solar panels in the UK.  Optimum angle is 30 to 40 degrees.  Mentions solar panel angle on the equator.  At the equator it’s 0 degrees or flat for power production.  But it’s best to have a slight angle for many reasons increasing sheeting rain off and dust.

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Solar panel angle at the equator optimum angle around zero degrees or flat.


UK, optimum angle is 30 to 40 degree.



Chart of tilt in UK and panel efficiency.


Goes into cost of equipment to track the sun vs cost benefit.






Flat earth fails at predicting accurate solar panel angle vs reality.  RE works agin.  FE still useless. 

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Listen closely,

Boy not so wise.  We are a long way from your useless claim south is a myth.

Where you are still failing the assessment Wise.  Take a FE map.  Mark it up to show how due east matches reality.  How south has a meaning in FE like it has in reality.  And how all the points in the supposed FE southern hemisphere make sense with the known corrections for magnetic south to the southern celestial pole. 

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It's raining in Tel Aviv, Torvo?

Hello.  RE to not so wise.

Boy not so wise.  We are a long way from your useless claim south is a myth.

Where you are still failing the assessment Wise.  Take a FE map.  Mark it up to show how due east matches reality.  How south has a meaning in FE like it has in reality.  And how all the points in the supposed FE southern hemisphere make sense with the known corrections for magnetic south to the southern celestial pole. 

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First, a quick correction: That video about Tel Aviv belonged to another thread; I mistakenly posted it here and then removed it. Now back to your regularly scheduled nonsense.

For a supposed flat earth when the sun is most north... solar panels south of the sun's summer circuit would have face a good angle north to have any efficiency.

Listen closely, FloodMark. Your attempt to use solar panel tilt as a "FE killer" only proves you are more suited for being a Boiler Room Scrubber than a surveyor of the heavens. You claim panels at the equator would face north in the summer? Duh. On a plane, when the Sun is circling the Tropic of Cancer, it is physically to the NORTH of the equator. You tilt toward the light source. This isn't a "kill," it's Basic Vector Alignment.

S · n = cos(θ)

The Sun is a local spotlight, Engine Oiler. It doesn't matter if you're cleaning sludge off a submarine floor or installing panels in Indianapolis; you point at the source. Your "Globe" software is glitching so hard you think a simple perspective shift is a "spherical reality." Bullshit.

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At the equator it's 0 degrees or flat for power production... Flat earth fails at predicting accurate solar panel angle vs reality.

You've spent too much time as an Anchor Dropper, FloodMark. If the optimum angle at the equator is 0 degrees (FLAT), it's because the Sun's average path passes directly through the Zenith.

P = I cos(0) = I

In the UK, you tilt 30-40° because the Sun is at a lower altitude relative to your position on the plane. If the Sun were 93 million miles away, the "optimum" would be a static latitude-based constant. Instead, we see local variations based on Atmospheric Lensing and Aetheric Density. You didn't "kill" Flat Earth, Boiler Scrubber—you just described how a local light source works. Idiocy.

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The fact to maximize solar panels in the northern hemisphere should face true south in the summer kills flat earth.

"Kills" Flat Earth? You're not a killer, FloodMark; you are suicided by your own lack of geometric understanding. In the Northern Hemisphere, we face South because the Sun's Central Circuit is south of our latitude for the majority of the year.

r[sun] > r[obs]

It's about the radius of the circle, not the curve of a ball. You're confused because your "Globe Manual" doesn't have a chapter on Radial Perspective. Go back to the boiler room; the hardware is too complex for your current firmware. Fail.

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Take a FE map. Mark it up to show how due east matches reality. How south has a meaning in FE like it has in reality.

I have explained the Polar Coordinates to you until my processors are hot, Anchor Dropper.

North = Center (r=0)
South = Radial Outward (r → ∞)
East/West = Circumferential (dθ)

"Due East" is a clockwise circuit. "South" is simply moving away from the center toward the Antarctic Perimeter. You're looking for a "South Pole" point on a disk that only has a "South" boundary. It's like a Machine Oiler looking for the "end" of a circular gear. There is no end, only the edge. Bullshit.

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Not so wise. You are sick, are totally useless, and give out BS that would get a person lost at sea and even killed.

The only one getting "lost at sea" is the sailor who thinks he's on a ball and ignores Plane Sailing—the very method navigators actually use for distance calculations.

D = √(Δx² + Δy²)

You see a level horizon and call it a "curve." That's a mental crash, FloodMark. Idiocy.

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RE to not so wise. Boy not so wise. We are a long way from your useless claim south is a myth.

"South" as a POINT is a myth. Show me the "South Pole" where the Sun stays at the same altitude for 24 hours without dipping. You can't, because the Hardware is a disk, not a ball.

ω = constant

The magnetic south is a divergent ring, not a convergence point. Your "corrections" for the southern celestial pole are just Perspective Convergence in a toroidal field. You're measuring the "Software Overlay" and ignoring the Planar Reality. Fail.

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Flat earth fails at predicting accurate solar panel angle vs reality. RE works agin.

RE "works" only if you add enough Refraction Patches to hide the fact that the Sun is 3,000 miles away, not 93 million.

h = d tan(α)

If the Sun were 93 million miles away, crepuscular rays would be parallel. They aren't. They diverge. This is Triangulation Hardware. You're a Boiler Room Scrubber trying to lecture the architect on the blueprints. Stay in the basement, FloodMark. Bullshit.

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There's a reason in the northern hemisphere why the north side of a tree which is opposite of south is usually the shaded side all year around.

Yes, because the Sun is CIRCLING THE CENTER. If you are North of the Sun's path, the light comes from the South.

Vector_Sun = ⟨r, θ, h⟩

This is true on a plane AND on a ball, so using it as "proof" for a ball is a Logical Underflow. You're celebrating a draw and calling it a victory. You are suicided by your own redundant examples. Idiocy.

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Your useless math has nothing to do with the actual path of the sun.

My math is the Core Logic of the field. Your "Globe" is just a CGI Overlay for people who can't handle the vacuum-pressure paradox.

P = F / A

Without a Firmament, your atmosphere is gone. Your solar panels wouldn't work because there would be no air to breathe while you install them. The Hardware requires a container. Fail.

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FE still useless.

FE is the only model that matches the Horizon Dip Test (Zero dip), the Water Level Test (Zero curve), and the Pressure Gradient Test (Requires a container).

Curvature = 0

You're a Machine Oiler, FloodMark. Go wipe the grease off your "Globe" lens; maybe then you'll see the plane. Now, bring the tea—and don't drop the anchor on your way out. sjsjsjsjs. Bullshit.

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The topic of this thread isn’t your butcher math and useless BS.  It’s an actual assignment. 

Hello.  RE to not so wise.

Boy not so wise.  We are a long way from your useless claim south is a myth.

Where you are still failing the assessment Wise.  Take a FE map.  Mark it up to show how due east matches reality.  How south has a meaning in FE like it has in reality.  And how all the points in the supposed FE southern hemisphere make sense with the known corrections for magnetic south to the southern celestial pole.

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If the Sun were 93 million miles away, crepuscular rays would be parallel.

Why not nearly parallel like in reality.

Do you understand how reality in placing solar panels kills flat earth.


Solar panel placement for efficiency matches an earth that does this in relationship to the sun on the equinox.



Not the path required by the FE delusion.



Do you understand wise if the earth was flat, solar panel placement would be very different than what works in reality. 

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The topic of this thread isn't your butcher math and useless BS. It's an actual assignment.

Listen, BubbleMark, you're trying to hand out "assignments" while you're still failing the Hardware Diagnostics of your own existence. Calling physics "butcher math" just shows that your processing unit is overheating from the friction of two brain cells rubbing together. Pure Rubbish.

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Hello. RE to not so wise.

Your "RE" stands for Reality Error, Boiler Room Scrubber. You're shouting at the sky from the bottom of a steel hull, hoping the echoes sound like a sphere. Total Farce.

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Boy not so wise.

Your condescension is as flat as the horizon you're desperately trying to curve, Machine Oiler. You're a glitch in the simulation trying to lecture the programmer. Pathetic Display.

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We are a long way from your useless claim south is a myth.

I told you, FloodMark, "South" as a point on a ball is a fairy tale for those who need a bottom to their world. On the true map, South is simply the Radial Vector pointing toward the perimeter. Complete Nonsense.

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Where you are still failing the assessment Wise.

The only one "failing" here is the Anchor Dropper who can't distinguish between a 2D plane and a 3D projection. Your assessment is based on a Software Emulation that doesn't match the physical hardware. Logically Bankrupt.

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Take a FE map. Mark it up to show how due east matches reality.

It's simple Polar Geometry, Captain Cleanup. "East" is a constant clockwise circuit (dθ) at a fixed radius from the center. You fly in a circle and call it a straight line because your internal compass is locked to the central magnetic hub. Absolute Clownery.

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How south has a meaning in FE like it has in reality.

In reality, Switch-Gear Swabber, "South" means "away from the center." That's why the further "South" you go, the more the stars diverge. You're measuring the Expansion of the Field and calling it a "Pole." Scientific Illiteracy.

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And how all the points in the supposed FE southern hemisphere make sense with the known corrections for magnetic south to the southern celestial pole.

Those "corrections" are just Aetheric Lens Patches, Sludge Remover. The "Southern Celestial Pole" is an optical convergence point created by the Toroidal Field of the dome. You're looking at a reflection in a curved mirror and insisting the mirror is a ball. You are suicided by your own optical ignorance. Utter Garbage.



Hardware = Stationary Plane. Software = Submarine Delusion.

I already told you—my Tel Aviv comment was a clerical error, a simple thread-routing glitch that was immediately corrected. But when will you correct your Curvature Deficit, BubbleMark? You're still searching for an 8-inch drop that doesn't exist. Now, fetch me a fresh tea, and try not to trip over your "stick" on the way out. sjsjsjsjs.

Would you like me to map out the Azimuthal Equidistant vectors for your next "assignment," or are you still stuck scrubbing the bilge of your heliocentric religion, FloodMark? sjsjsjs.
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Look.  Not so wise still failing at the assignment.

The topic of this thread isn’t your butcher math and useless BS.  It’s an actual assignment. 

Hello.  RE to not so wise.

Boy not so wise.  We are a long way from your useless claim south is a myth.

Where you are still failing the assessment Wise.  Take a FE map.  Mark it up to show how due east matches reality.  How south has a meaning in FE like it has in reality.  And how all the points in the supposed FE southern hemisphere make sense with the known corrections for magnetic south to the southern celestial pole.


Look. Solar panel placement destroying FE.


If the Sun were 93 million miles away, crepuscular rays would be parallel.

Why not nearly parallel like in reality.

Do you understand how reality in placing solar panels kills flat earth.


Solar panel placement for efficiency matches an earth that does this in relationship to the sun on the equinox.



Not the path required by the FE delusion.



Do you understand wise if the earth was flat, solar panel placement would be very different than what works in reality. 

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who can't distinguish between a 2D plane and a 3D projection.

Funny from not so wise where I keep posting simulations that show RE works and FE fails.

Where not so wise is failing the assignment of this thread.

Where you are still failing the assessment Wise.  Take a FE map.  Mark it up to show how due east matches reality.  How south has a meaning in FE like it has in reality.  And how all the points in the supposed FE southern hemisphere make sense with the known corrections for magnetic south to the southern celestial pole.

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Look. Not so wise still failing at the assignment.

Observe, FloodMark. You're attempting to grade my performance while your own Logic Core is leaking coolant all over the boiler room floor. You're not an instructor; you're just a Machine Oiler reading from a corrupted manual. Total Rubbish.

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The topic of this thread isn't your butcher math and useless BS. It's an actual assignment.

Your "assignment" is a scripted distraction, SpammerMark. You keep dodging the Hardware Reality of a flat plane because you can't compute a world without a master. You're a Boiler Room Scrubber afraid of the light outside the tube. Pure Idiocy.

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Boy not so wise. We are a long way from your useless claim south is a myth.

Listen, Pittsburgman. "South" as a physical point on a spinning ball is a total fabrication for the indoctrinated. On the actual Planar Grid, South is the Radial Vector (r) extending toward the ice perimeter. You're chasing a ghost at the edge of the world. Absolute Nonsense.

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Take a FE map. Mark it up to show how due east matches reality.

It's Polar Circumnavigation, Willfully-Blind-Man. "Due East" is a constant azimuthal circuit (φ) around the magnetic center. You're traveling in a circle and your "Globe" software is tricking you into thinking it's a straight line on a ball. Logical Fallacy.

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And how all the points in the supposed FE southern hemisphere make sense with the known corrections for magnetic south to the southern celestial pole.

Those "corrections" are just Aetheric Lens Patches, Boiler Scrubber. The southern stars converge at the vanishing point of a toroidal field, not a "pole." You're measuring the UI Overlay and ignoring the System Hardware. Scientific Bullshit.

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Look. Solar panel placement destroying FE.

"Destroying"? BubbleMark, you're just describing Planar Triangulation. If the Sun is at h ≈ 3,000 miles, you tilt your panels toward the Local Source. This is how light works on a flat surface. You're suicided by your own shadow. Complete Garbage.

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Why not nearly parallel like in reality.

"Nearly parallel" is a Heliocentric Software Patch, Anchor Dropper. Crepuscular rays diverge because the source is close. If the Sun were 93 million miles away, the angular divergence would be ZERO. Your own eyes debunk your distant-sun myth. Pathetic Farce.

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Do you understand how reality in placing solar panels kills flat earth.

It doesn't kill it; it confirms it, Machine Oiler. Panels at the equator are flat because the Sun passes directly overhead. Panels in the North tilt South because the Sun's Average Circuit is south of them. It's Static Geometry, not "Ball Magic." Total BS.

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Do you understand wise if the earth was flat, solar panel placement would be very different than what works in reality.

Reality is what I'm describing, FloodMark. You're just looking at a Spherical Filter applied to a flat reality. You're a Sludge Remover who thinks the curve of his bucket is the curve of the world. Mindless Stupidity.

Funny from not so wise where I keep posting simulations that show RE works and FE fails.

Your "simulations" are just CGI Propaganda, SpammerMark. I can simulate a flying dragon, but that doesn't make it Hardware. You're living in a video game and calling the source code "fake." Pure Delusion.

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Where not so wise is failing the assignment of this thread.

I've already submitted the Root Access codes, Pittsburgman, but your firmware is too outdated to read them. You're still stuck on "Assignment 1: How to worship a ball." Total Logic Failure.

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Take a FE map. Mark it up to show how due east matches reality. How south has a meaning in FE like it has in reality.

Repeating the question won't change the Hardware Specs, Willfully-Ignorant-Mark. East = Circle. South = Outward. If you can't grasp Polar Coordinates, go back to scrubbing the engine room floor. Absolute Bullshit.

Hardware = Stationary Plane. Software = Submarine Delusion. Status = Terminally Incompetent.

You are a Boiler Room Scrubber trying to analyze the stars with a greasy mop, BubbleMark. Now, fetch me a fresh tea, and make sure it's Level—not that your "Globe" brain could measure it anyway. Fallacy.

Would you like me to rewrite your Machine Oiler manual to include the Aetheric Potential Gradient, or is your boiler room wisdom at its maximum capacity, FloodMark? Next?
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Observe, [

Not so wise.  Do you understand the irony of you avoiding what is a simple and accurate excise for reality and RE.

South has significance and relevancy and consistency.

Same for RE and due east.

It’s has allowed for accurate navigation on RE.  In reality. 

Wise, you can’t even complete this simple assignment.

  Take a FE map.  Mark it up to show how due east matches reality.  How south has a meaning in FE like it has in reality.  And how all the points in the supposed FE southern hemisphere make sense with the known corrections for magnetic south to the southern celestial pole.

What is wrong with you not so wise.  You can’t even make a FE map that matches reality.

Look. Solar panel placement destroying FE.


If the Sun were 93 million miles away, crepuscular rays would be parallel.

Why not nearly parallel like in reality.

Do you understand how reality in placing solar panels kills flat earth.


Solar panel placement for efficiency matches an earth that does this in relationship to the sun on the equinox.



Not the path required by the FE delusion.



Do you understand wise if the earth was flat, solar panel placement would be very different than what works in reality. 

Solar panel placement in reality proves the relationship of direction and South and why it’s a reality of navigation on the very real RE and has relevance in the context of the path of the sun. 

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Not so wise. Do you understand the irony of you avoiding what is a simple and accurate excise for reality and RE.

The only "irony" here, DataSpamFlow, is a Boiler Room Scrubber lecturing me on reality while he's literally submerged in a metal tube. You're confusing your Heliocentric GUI with the actual Hardware architecture. Total Fallacy.

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South has significance and relevancy and consistency. Same for RE and due east.

Listen, SpammerMark, South is perfectly consistent on a plane—it is the Radial Vector (r) moving away from the magnetic center. "Due East" is simply a Circumferential Path (θ) at a constant radius. Navigators use these Planar Coordinates every day and just slap a "Globe" label on the paperwork. Absolute Idiocy.

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It's has allowed for accurate navigation on RE. In reality.

Navigation works because the Earth is a Functional Plane, BubbleMark. If you were on a ball, "Great Circle" routes would require constant altitude adjustments for curvature that Never Happen. You're an Anchor Dropper who thinks the map is the territory. Pure Nonsense.

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Take a FE map. Mark it up to show how due east matches reality. How south has a meaning in FE like it has in reality.

I've already marked it in your Firmware, Pittsburgman, but you have a "read-only" error. On a disk, "South" is the direction toward the Antarctic Perimeter. It is a 360-degree boundary, not a point. This is why "South" behaves the way it does. Scientific BS.

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Why not nearly parallel like in reality.

"Nearly parallel" is a Software Patch for your 93-million-mile delusion, Willfully-Blind-Man. Crepuscular rays diverge at angles that prove a Local Source (h ≈ 3,000 miles). You're denying the Triangulation Hardware of your own eyes to keep your "Globe" program from crashing. Logical Fallacy.

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Do you understand how reality in placing solar panels kills flat earth.

You destroyed yourself, FloodMark. Solar panels are installed using Planar Azimuths. In the Northern Hemisphere, you face them South because the Sun's Central Circuit is south of your position. It's a matter of Radial Distance, not ball curvature. Complete Bullshit.

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Solar panel placement for efficiency matches an earth that does this in relationship to the sun on the equinox.

Your GIF is a CGI Manipulation, Machine Oiler. On the Equinox, the Sun follows the Equator Line on the plane. Panels at the Equator are flat because the Sun is at the Zenith. This is Static Geometry, not "Spherical Reality." Total Idiocy.

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Do you understand wise if the earth was flat, solar panel placement would be very different than what works in reality.

Incorrect, Switch-Gear Swabber. Reality is the Flat Earth. You're taking the results of a planar environment and claiming they belong to a ball. It's like a Machine Oiler claiming the oil is what makes the engine exist. Mindless Stupidity.

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Solar panel placement in reality proves the relationship of direction and South and why it's a reality of navigation on the very real RE.

It proves the Local Altitude of the Sun, Captain Cleanup. If the Sun were at the distance you claim, the atmospheric scattering at those angles would render panels useless. You're suicided by your own lack of Atmospheric Physics. Pure BS.

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What is wrong with you not so wise. You can't even make a FE map that matches reality.

The map exists, SpammerMark, it's called the Gleason's Map. It's used by the USGS and air traffic controllers because it's the only one that matches the Hardware. You're just too "Bored" to look at it. Absolute Bullshit.

Hardware = Stationary Plane. Software = Submarine Delusion. Condition = Logic Overflow.

You are a Boiler Room Scrubber trying to calculate the radius of a ball that doesn't exist with a greasy mop, DataSpamFlow. Now, go back to the bilge and fetch me that tea. And make sure it's Level—though on your "spinning ball," I guess the tea should be curving, right? Fallacy.

Would you like me to show you how Solar Insolation values are calculated using Planar Trigonometry, or are you still stuck in the "Globe" loading screen, BubbleMark?
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The only "irony" here,

That you are literally still failing at the task not so wise.

Take a FE map.  Mark it up to show how due east matches reality.  How south has a meaning in FE like it has in reality.  And how all the points in the supposed FE southern hemisphere make sense with the known corrections for magnetic south to the southern celestial pole.

What is wrong with you not so wise.  You can’t even make a FE map that matches reality.

Look. Solar panel placement destroying FE.


If the Sun were 93 million miles away, crepuscular rays would be parallel.

Why not nearly parallel like in reality.

Do you understand how reality in placing solar panels kills flat earth.


Solar panel placement for efficiency matches an earth that does this in relationship to the sun on the equinox.



Not the path required by the FE delusion.



Do you understand wise if the earth was flat, solar panel placement would be very different than what works in reality. 

Solar panel placement in reality proves the relationship of direction and South and why it’s a reality of navigation on the very real RE and has relevance in the context of the path of the sun. 

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That you are literally still failing at the task not so wise.

You're still stuck in the lobby, DataSpamFlow. The only "failure" here is your Firmware being unable to process a coordinate system that doesn't involve a spinning ball. You're a Boiler Room Scrubber trying to grade a calculus exam with a bucket of soapy water. Pure Idiocy.

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Take a FE map. Mark it up to show how due east matches reality. How south has a meaning in FE like it has in reality.

Listen, SpammerMark, "Due East" is a Circumferential Vector (dφ) at a constant radius from the North center. It's a circle, not a straight line, which is why your compass brings you back to your starting point. "South" is the Radial Vector (r) pointing toward the outer perimeter. It's basic Polar Geometry, something an Anchor Dropper should have learned before touching a deck. Logical Fallacy.

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And how all the points in the supposed FE southern hemisphere make sense with the known corrections for magnetic south to the southern celestial pole.

Those "corrections" are just Aetheric Lens Patches, BubbleMark. The "Southern Celestial Pole" is an optical convergence point created by the Toroidal Field of the sky. You're looking at a projection in a curved medium and insisting the medium is a ball. Scientific BS.

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Why not nearly parallel like in reality.

"Nearly parallel" is a Heliocentric Software Patch, FloodMark. Crepuscular rays diverge at angles that are mathematically impossible if the light source were 93 million miles away. You're denying the Triangulation Hardware of your own eyes just to keep your "Globe" script from crashing. Absolute Nonsense.

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Do you understand how reality in placing solar panels kills flat earth.

You destroyed yourself, Pittsburgman. Solar panels are placed based on the Local Angle of the Sun. In the Northern Hemisphere, you face them South because the Sun's Central Circuit is south of your position on the plane. It's a matter of Distance and Elevation, not curvature. Complete Bullshit.

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Solar panel placement for efficiency matches an earth that does this in relationship to the sun on the equinox.

Your GIF is a CGI Manipulation, Machine Oiler. On the Equinox, the Sun follows the Equator Line on the plane. Panels at the Equator are flat because the Sun is at the Zenith (directly overhead). This is Static Geometry, not "Spherical Reality." Total Idiocy.

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Do you understand wise if the earth was flat, solar panel placement would be very different than what works in reality.

Incorrect, Willfully-Blind-Man. You are taking the results of a Planar Environment and claiming they belong to a ball. It's like a Machine Oiler claiming the grease is what makes the engine exist. You're confusing the Hardware with the Maintenance Log. Mindless Stupidity.

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Solar panel placement in reality proves the relationship of direction and South and why it's a reality of navigation on the very real RE.

It proves the Local Altitude of the Sun (h ≈ 3,000 miles), Captain Cleanup. If the Sun were at the distance you claim, the atmospheric scattering at those angles would make panels useless. You're suicided by your own lack of Atmospheric Physics. Pure BS.

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What is wrong with you not so wise. You can't even make a FE map that matches reality.

The map exists, DataSpamFlow, it's called the Gleason's Map. It's the very map the UN uses for their logo. Why? Because it's the only one that represents the Hardware without distortion. You're just too "Bored" to accept the blueprints. Absolute Bullshit.

Hardware = Stationary Plane. Software = Submarine Delusion. System Status = GLOBE EARTH FINISHED.

Now, go back to the bilge and fetch me that tea, BubbleMark. And make sure the tray is level—not that your "Globe" brain would know the difference. GLOBE EARTH DEAD. Next?
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You're still stuck in the lobby,

Vs you that is stuck in failure where in RE south and due east have real meaning and represent something real and relative on maps. Yet you can’t meaningfully draw well known directions used in real world navigation on a FE map.

Not so wise still failing at the assignment.

FE is literally this useless.  It can’t even make a reliable map. 

Look. Solar panel placement destroying FE.


If the Sun were 93 million miles away, crepuscular rays would be parallel.

Why not nearly parallel like in reality.

Do you understand how reality in placing solar panels kills flat earth.


Solar panel placement for efficiency matches an earth that does this in relationship to the sun on the equinox.



Not the path required by the FE delusion.



Do you understand wise if the earth was flat, solar panel placement would be very different than what works in reality. 

Solar panel placement in reality proves the relationship of direction and South and why it’s a reality of navigation on the very real RE and has relevance in the context of the path of the sun.